Re: orca 46 alpha
Hi Samuel, Thanks for that upload. I’ll try to test. Raphaël Samuel Thibault writes: > Hello, > > I have uploaded orca 46 alpha to experimental. It is notably said to > have improved performance a lot through using cache. It also got > significant rewrites to clear the code, so there may be regressions > ahead. > > So please test and report to the orca list ;) > > Samuel > -- Raphaël POITEVIN www.leclavierquibave.fr
Re: Orca 43 beta in experimental
Hello, Thanks for that work. I’ll test. Regards, Raphaël Samuel Thibault writes: > Hello, > > Orca 43 beta is landing in experimental, tests welcome, and please > report bugs to the orca-l...@gnome.org mailing list! > > Samuel
Re: Testing No Braille keys in X
Samuel Thibault writes: > What do you mean exactly by "braille keys"? Do you mean the perkins > keys, or all keys from the braille device? All keys from Braille device. > > Also, which model of braille device is that? Oh my god. Actually, my official Braille display, which is an Active Star from Handy Tech is out of order. So I use temporarily a Tieman, but with autodetect, I don’t know which driver it is, I didn’t yet read logs. But, for the installation, I used the Active Star of my company. After, I didn’t care if Braille keys were available. I plugged the Tieman and I noticed the problem, even after reboot. I just made a test to answer to your reply, I unplugged Tieman and plugged Active Star, now Braille keys were available. I changed to Tieman, Braille keys are still available. So I don’t understand. Sorry, it works fine now. I hope it will stay like that. -- Raphaël www.leclavierquibave.fr
Testing No Braille keys in X
Dear team, Testing, Mate, installed from DI. Braille keys are not available in X and Orca. Works fine in none X TTY. $ ps ax | grep brl 4364 ?S
Testing, pipewire and speech-dispatcher
Hello, I was in testing (Bullseye). I'd like to continue to follow than branch but I see pipewire in the update list. Is it a risk for speech-dispatcher? Thanks for your help. Regards, -- Raphaël POITEVIN www.leclavierquibave.fr
Generate visual Braille
Hello, I'm looking for a solution to generate a PDF with Braille, which could be 3D printed, deep embossed or swell embosed. I tested several solutions which have their advantages and their inconvenients. Those solutions are based on a TrueType police: https://www.rnib.org.uk/braille-and-other-tactile-codes-portal-writing-and-producing-braille/braille-fonts The main problem is those fonts are based on american table, which get difficult to write french for instance. We have to type special characters for capital sign, aaccents, digit etc. 1. XeLaTeX, UTF-8 input: Writing french is very hard, especialy for some characters which are reserved characters in LaTeX. For instance, 8 digit is \textbackslash. 2. XeLaTeX, unicode input: Easier but lots of overfull hbox after compilation and truncated lines. 3. Libreoffice, UTF-8 input: OK, but export PDF seems to insert some spaces before some punctuations. 4. Libreoffice, unicode input: OK, but no word wrapping at the end of lines. Any other possibility? Thanks for helping. Regards, -- Raphaël POITEVIN www.leclavierquibave.fr
Re: Embosser on USB parallel
Samuel Thibault writes: > How did you start the print? I tried with a test page in the cups interface and with a odt file: $ lp -d basic-d test.odt If I try with a text file: $ lp -d basic-d test.txt lp: Unsupported document-format "application/x-idx-doc". -- Raphaël www.leclavierquibave.fr
Re: Embosser on USB parallel
Samuel Thibault writes: > That could be it (yes it looks like a bad naming but I wouldn't be so > surprised that it'd be it). You could try to unplug the adaptor and > restart cups to check whether it still shows that "Serial port". finally, it seems to be configurable by creating a symlink /dev/usb/lp0 /dev/lp0. I still don't manage to print but it seems to come from the backend. I chose index as constructor, Basic-d V4 as model, and fr-bfu-com8-utb as Braille table. Here one log line after running a odt print: E [14/Oct/2020:17:22:57 +0200] [Job 32] unsupported control character in BRF file I tried some othe table with the same result. Regards, -- Raphaël www.leclavierquibave.fr
Re: Embosser on USB parallel
Samuel Thibault writes: > That could be it (yes it looks like a bad naming but I wouldn't be so > surprised that it'd be it). You could try to unplug the adaptor and > restart cups to check whether it still shows that "Serial port". I'm not at home, so without the embosser and the converter and I still see that port. -- Raphaël www.leclavierquibave.fr
Re: Embosser on USB parallel
Hi Samuel, Samuel Thibault writes: > It should be, yes. When you go to the administration tab, add a printer, > get the list of connections, what choices do you have? * CUPS-BRF (Virtual BRF Braille Printer) * Serial port #1 * Backend Error Handler * Internet Printing Protocol (https) * AppSocket/HP JetDirect * Internet Printing Protocol (ipps) * LPD LPR * Internet Printing Protocol (http) * Internet Printing Protocol (ipp) Regards, -- Raphaël www.leclavierquibave.fr
Embosser on USB parallel
Hi, Debian testing. I'm trying to run an old embosser, a basic-d V4 which have only parallel port. I connected it behind an USB parallel converter which is detected: /dev/usb/lp0. In cups interface localhost:631 I don't find any way to choose the converter when adding a printer. Is iit possible to do that? Regards, -- Raphaël POITEVIN www.leclavierquibave.fr
Re: Auto login
Vojtěch šmiro writes: > It doesn't work. > > I've wrote > autologin-user=username username is your user name. -- Raphaël www.leclavierquibave.fr
Re: Auto login
Hello, Which session manager do you use? Regards, Vojtěch šmiro writes: > Hello, > > is some way to not to write password after startup? I would like to > login without password. Is it possible? > > Thanks a lot. > > Best regards > > Vojta.
Re: webmail and email from command line
I chose to use GNUS in Emacs. It's quite difficult to manipulate for the first time, and the documentation is in a mess. But it's usable. Regards, Raphaël loredana writes: > I find increasily difficult and error prone to read/send email via a > browser and would like to either use emacs (preferred, now that it > talks) or the command line. > > 'Though I managed to send mail to my gmail account by allowing less > secure applications, this is likely not to be a viable solution (it > seems that google is going to forbit less secure application access > starting November first of this year and it is already a pain to use > it now). > > Two factor authentication may well be the only solution for desktop > users in a couple of months time. > > Your Institution willl have somebody solving this issue for you, but > at home normal users who prefer to avoid using a browser for email are > on their own. > > Once the authentication issue is solved, then any client (not only a > browser) should be able to read/send mail, making life for me and > possibly other visually impaired people easier. > > Here is what I plan to do: > > 1) use mbsync to fetch mail locally > > 2) use any tool to read/edit mail locally (I will use emacs and mu4e, > bt at this point any editor and mail agent able to work with mail > locally should be just fine) > > 3) configure exim to deal with gmail authentication to read and send > mail via smtp gmail server. > > Is this a reasonable approach? Any comment or suggestion? Any other > way of dealing with email locally, without a browser and to use the > network only for reading/sending mail with an acceptable > authorization? > > BTW, swacks is in debian and it is a very nice tool to test smtp > connections from the command line: > > swaks --tls --auth --to @gmail.com --server smtp.gmail.com > > Be careful with spoken passwords .. > Loredana
Re: speech-dispatcher and speechd-el client error
loredana writes: > Just wonder. Should such a symbolick link be added automatically when > installing the speech-dispatcher package? It could save time and some > frustration to people less stubborn than me... Which version of speechd-el do you use? I had the problem with the version in wheezy, but from jessie the path is correct. speechd-el 2.8 -- Raphaël
Re: speech-dispatcher and speechd-el client error
Hi! loredana writes: > ssip-connection-error: (file-error make client process failed no such > file or directory :name speechd :family local :remote > /home/user/.speech-dispatcher/speechd.sock) Check that path: /run/user//speech-dispatcher create an symbolink link into /home/user/.speech-dispatcher Regards, -- Raphaël
Re: Brltty 5.5 in sid, and experimental change in experimental
Hi, On 11/08/2017 06:17 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: Uh. And that isn't happening with version 5.5-2? No. So, I have no more that bug after restarting my computer. It appeared only after updating and restarting brltty service. I'll tell you if it appears again. Raphaël
Re: Brltty 5.5 in sid, and experimental change in experimental
On 11/08/2017 03:52 PM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: @Raphaël @Shérab @Sebastian Is it possible for you to test the new BRLTTY 5.5 package from experimental? I just updated now. It seems to work correctly. I only notice stopping speech when usin Orca and reading on my Active Star. For instance, it is speaking, the speech is stopped when I put fingers on the Braille line. Regards, Raphaël
Testing: Orca in lightdm
Dear team, I installed Stretch from firmware-stretch-DI-alpha7-amd64-netinst.iso with Braille. I could notice with pleasure Mate was checked by default. I was desapoinded after rebooting to read: "Welcome to Orca" but not the login screen and hear no speech. For speech, I noticed pulseaudio was not installed and speech-dispatcher not configured for alsa. Should I open a bug? Regards, -- Raphaël POITEVIN Hypra S.A.S.
dark theme
Dear team, I will have to give a lecture about Debian installation and administration for people with multiple visual impairement : blind (Braille reader or not), partially sighted. For totally blind people, obiusly I'll propose Braille or speech. A partially sighted user told me dark theme could be correct for some people but is not adapted for everybody. Are there other themes ? Do you think installing by Mate Live CD could offer more themes ? Thank you for your ideas. Regards, -- Raphaël POITEVIN Hypra S.A.S.
Re: Problems with a PDF
Samuel Thibault writes: > It'd be good to find out which tool produced the pdf, and report there > that the pdf production should be done in logical order, not geometrical > order. Jean-Philippe, you should be able to have this information with exiftool. -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S.
Bug#800602: Lightdm: orca speaks characters while typing the password.
Package: gnome-orca Version: 3.16.2-1.1 Severity: normal Dear Maintainer, *** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropriate *** * What led up to the situation? * What was the outcome of this action? Just after booting at login in lightdm conigured to diplay the list of users. * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or ineffective)? I type my password directly, with the default selected user. Orca speaks characters. * What outcome did you expect instead? Orca should say "asterisk". *** End of the template - remove these template lines *** -- System Information: Debian Release: 8.2 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) Versions of packages gnome-orca depends on: ii gir1.2-glib-2.01.42.0-2.2 ii gir1.2-gtk-3.0 3.14.5-1+deb8u1 ii gir1.2-pango-1.0 1.36.8-3 ii gir1.2-wnck-3.03.4.9-3 ii gsettings-desktop-schemas 3.14.1-1 ii python33.4.2-2 ii python3-brlapi 5.2~20141018-5 ii python3-cairo 1.10.0+dfsg-4+b1 ii python3-gi 3.14.0-1 ii python3-louis 2.5.3-3 ii python3-pyatspi2.14.0+dfsg-1 ii python3-speechd0.8-7 pn python3:any ii speech-dispatcher 0.8-7 Versions of packages gnome-orca recommends: ii libgail-common 2.24.25-3 ii xbrlapi 5.2~20141018-5 gnome-orca suggests no packages. -- no debconf information
Re: Building mate live cd with orca
Samuel Thibault writes: > Raphaël POITEVIN, le Thu 17 Sep 2015 23:47:16 +0200, a écrit : > See the brltty-udeb.prebaseconfig script: it uses gconftool and glib > schemas to enable the accessibility configuration options. In the end, > that activates > /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/gtk-modules/at-spi2-atk.desktop > which enables the gail and atk-bridge modules. > > In the end, setting GTK_MODULES has the same effect and is > simpler to achieve :) For stretch we'll probably be doing it from OK, I will do that, I think I undestood how to execute command-line during the live-building. > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90qt-a11y , you can already see the latest version > of the libatk-adaptor package doing that. You can simply backport that > to your liveCD. I will try that if I don't manage with the previous solution. > >> I understood mate live cd uses lightdm. > > Does it? In my tests liveCDs don't use any DM and simply directly start > a user desktop. I'm almost sure. Actually, I looked through the lightdm.conf of the livecd and there is this option: autologin-user=user Thanks for your help, I will test after a good night. :) -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S.
Building mate live cd with orca
Dear team, I try to generate a live cd including mate + orca and others customizations. Firstly, I tested the prebuilt live cd which has orca but doesn't work correctly. It says "welcome to orca" and anything no more. I believe it's a known bug if I'm not wrong. The installer arrounds this problem. I have the same problem with my own generated cd. Actually, what does the installer which I have to include in the live cd generation to have orca working and startded automatically? Maybe should I try at least to declare this: export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge I understood mate live cd uses lightdm. If I use task-mate-desktop, I'm in the same situation. Thanks for your help. Regards, -- Raphaël POITEVIN Hypra S.A.S.
Bug#791892: Writer: read and spell words in spellchecker
Package: gnome-orca Version: 3.14.0-4 Severity: wishlist Dear Maintainer, *** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropriate *** * What led up to the situation? In the spellchecker dialogue. * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or ineffective)? Tab to set focus on the spell error field. * What was the outcome of this action? It reads only the contain of the field. * What outcome did you expect instead? Read the contain of the field, spell the incorrect word, read and spell the sugestion. It could be good to have a shortcut to repeat this action. *** End of the template - remove these template lines *** -- System Information: Debian Release: 8.1 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) Versions of packages gnome-orca depends on: ii gir1.2-glib-2.01.42.0-2.2 ii gir1.2-gtk-3.0 3.14.5-1 ii gir1.2-pango-1.0 1.36.8-3 ii gir1.2-wnck-3.03.4.9-3 ii gsettings-desktop-schemas 3.14.1-1 ii python33.4.2-2 ii python3-brlapi 5.2~20141018-5 ii python3-cairo 1.10.0+dfsg-4+b1 ii python3-gi 3.14.0-1 ii python3-louis 2.5.3-3 ii python3-pyatspi2.14.0+dfsg-1 ii python3-speechd0.8-7 pn python3:any ii speech-dispatcher 0.8-7 Versions of packages gnome-orca recommends: ii libgail-common 2.24.25-3 ii xbrlapi 5.2~20141018-5 gnome-orca suggests no packages. -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150709100600.31948.77088.reportbug@mozart.musiciens
Re: BRLTTY Braille driver auto
Samuel Thibault writes: > Ok, but this bug was fixed in the latest installer, so as to bother only > the owners of the rare displays using that USB ID, not the owners of the > most common displays. So it shouldn't be needed any more (or else > there's more to fix, and thus we have to discuss more on this issue). OK, I didn't notice a last version had been released. -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87twteedzm.fsf@mozart.musiciens
Re: BRLTTY Braille driver auto
Samuel Thibault writes: > Why did you need this? the installer should already be able to > auto-detect this braille device In order to avoid the conflict between my Braille display and others which have the same USB ID. We already talked about this bug. > > Check the end of the file, the installer puts additional lines there. OK, I will be carefull for an other installation. But, should brltty -b auto work ? -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87615ufzdg.fsf@mozart.musiciens
BRLTTY Braille driver auto
Dear Team, After installing Jessie with this initialization : install brltty=ht,usb: BRLTTY doesn't detect other Braille display model automatically. The config file is standard, all braille drivers and devices are commented. If I type for instance : brltty -b al it works. But : brltt -b auto it doesn't. I had to purge and reinstall brltty package to solve this problem. I'm sorry, I didn't have the time to analize deeply, I had to help fastly a customer. Regards, -- Raphaël POITEVIN Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87a8v6g2os.fsf@mozart.musiciens
Speech-dispatcher PicoTTS module package
Dear team, I noticed in vinux project, it was possible to use Pico TTS with a speech-dispatcher module. There is a dedicated package speech-dispatcher-pico which doesn’t exist in Debian. Is there a reason? Is it easy to compile this module and make a package? Regards, -- Raphaël POITEVIN Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/871thv4yqh.fsf@mozart.musiciens
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Samuel Thibault writes: > It didn't happen at all with RC1? There were uploads of brltty in > between, but they mattered only to xbrlapi and grub. I can also > reproduce the "no-detection-at-all" issue with it. I don’t know. I didn’t think to try the RC1. -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87sibsay1t.fsf@mozart.musiciens
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Mario Lang writes: > So the bug is in auto-detection. The Cebra and Braille Star do infact > speak almost the same protocol, and do have, IIRC, identical USB IDs. OK, but why this bug appears in RC2? Is it because CEbra maybe is a new braille display? -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87a8y0cg0v.fsf@mozart.musiciens
Re: Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Mario Lang writes: > Or do you really own a Cebra from NinePoint Systems? I use a Handy Tech Braille Star. -- Raphaël POITEVIN Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87sibscl03.fsf@mozart.musiciens
Re: Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Samuel Thibault writes: > Does this happen in the installed system too? It seems not. After booting the system, everything works as well ! > > Which keys are these? From what I can read from bs.kti, the chosen > binding for navigation is > > bind SpaceLeft FWINLT > bind SpaceRight FWINRT > > bind B1+SpaceLeft LNBEG > bind B1+SpaceRight LNEND > bind B2+SpaceLeft TOP > bind B2+SpaceRight BOT > bind B3+SpaceLeft HWINLT > bind B3+SpaceRight HWINRT > bind B6+SpaceLeft CHRLT > bind B6+SpaceRight CHRRT Actually, it’s a big mess ! No keys works correctly ! The space left and right seem to be inacvive. > > Are you talking about SpaceLeft/Right? Apparently it was definitely > chosen to be FWINLT/RT. If that should be fixed, please discuss on the > brltty mailing list. After booting, everything is OK ! It’s a special bug in the installer. Thanks, -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87vbgukcwi.fsf@mozart.musiciens
Re: Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Hi Samuel, Samuel Thibault writes: > Could you test the following image to make sure? It fixes the issue for > me. > > http://dept-info.labri.fr/~thibault/tmp/mini.iso My Braille display works, but I don’t manage to move in the screen with the navigation keys. I can only pan 40 characters left and right, but it’s wrong keys. Those keys are usually used to emulate up and down arrow keys. Thank you for your help. -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87bninm7c5.fsf@mozart.musiciens
Re: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Hi Samuel ! It’s realy funny to talk with you in englishr ! :) Samuel Thibault writes: > Please specify which display, with lsusb output, etc. Otherwise I can > not answer much more than "works for me with a baum device". I use a Handy Tech Braille Star. Here lsusb output, hoping to filter the right information: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0403:6001 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC Device Descriptor: bLength18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0403 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd idProduct 0x6001 FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC bcdDevice4.00 iManufacturer 1 FTDI iProduct2 USB <-> Serial iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 32 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xc0 Self Powered MaxPower 90mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass255 Vendor Specific Subclass bInterfaceProtocol255 Vendor Specific Protocol iInterface 2 USB <-> Serial Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes2 Transfer TypeBulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 1x 64 bytes bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT bmAttributes2 Transfer TypeBulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 1x 64 bytes bInterval 0 Device Status: 0x0001 Self Powered It’s an integrated usb-serial converter. Actually, there are an usb and a serial port with a switch radio button. Regards, -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87pp742rgg.fsf@mozart.musiciens
Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Dear team, I tried to use debian-jessie-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso. It seems Braille support doesn’t work no more. Firstly, I tried in a VM with VirtualBox. I've many difficults to start Braille. If I manage, Braille display commands doesn’t work correctly, I can’t navigate in the window. With a physical machine, no way to start Braille. I use a USB Braille display which usually work with old installeurs. Did someone notice the problem? Regards, -- Raphaël POITEVIN Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87wq1c2zdv.fsf@mozart.musiciens