Re: This is sort of am accessibility problem
On 10/15/2021 05:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/14/2021 11:43 PM, Gregory A. Lewis wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 13:38 Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/14/2021 10:19 AM, Gregory A. Lewis wrote: Yesterday I installed Debian 11.1.0, 3 times. I installed with debian-11.1.0-i386-netinst.iso and I was connected to the internet with a cable and and ethernet. I installed 3 times because I couldn't get the root password to set. I know what the passwords that I used were. I even opened the visual view of my passwords so I wouldn't make a mistake, but after setting up and finishing install they did not work. As last resort on the third try I tried 'sudo passwd root' and that flew. It's a problem but at least the solution is simple right now. You don't want your root password floating in a setup stream anyway Thsnk you. Csn you recommend a manual for setting up auxiliary accounts on the same machine ? Thank you again. Gregory Lewis I just did an install using https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso without *ANY* problems. Check your source. As stated above I used the i386 netinst image to install my Debian 11.1.0 Apologies. I didn't pay close attention to that detail. If your machine has a 32bit processor you do want to use the i386 image. I also suggest this thread would be appropriate on debian-user. The command you need is lscpu |head -n2 My machine displays $ lscpu |head -n2 Architecture: i686 CPU op-mode(s):32-bit, 64-bit HTH system downloaded from Debian.org but what I did not say was that I did no verification of the image and I downloaded under HTTP. I did have the problem with the root password not being written to the system, or some malfunction. With the modern multi core cpu's, should I have actually used the amd64 image? I couldn't get amd64 OR the i386 image to boot off of a (slightly used) memory stick, so I burned it to a CD. The hardware device that the system was being installed on is a refurbished Dell Optiplex 380. I could add one more detall in that device that I used to download the images was a vintage Mac. Thank you Gregory Lewis
Re: This is sort of am accessibility problem
On 10/14/2021 11:43 PM, Gregory A. Lewis wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 13:38 Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/14/2021 10:19 AM, Gregory A. Lewis wrote: Yesterday I installed Debian 11.1.0, 3 times. I installed with debian-11.1.0-i386-netinst.iso and I was connected to the internet with a cable and and ethernet. I installed 3 times because I couldn't get the root password to set. I know what the passwords that I used were. I even opened the visual view of my passwords so I wouldn't make a mistake, but after setting up and finishing install they did not work. As last resort on the third try I tried 'sudo passwd root' and that flew. It's a problem but at least the solution is simple right now. You don't want your root password floating in a setup stream anyway Thsnk you. Csn you recommend a manual for setting up auxiliary accounts on the same machine ? Thank you again. Gregory Lewis I just did an install using https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso without *ANY* problems. Check your source. As stated above I used the i386 netinst image to install my Debian 11.1.0 Apologies. I didn't pay close attention to that detail. If your machine has a 32bit processor you do want to use the i386 image. I also suggest this thread would be appropriate on debian-user. system downloaded from Debian.org but what I did not say was that I did no verification of the image and I downloaded under HTTP. I did have the problem with the root password not being written to the system, or some malfunction. With the modern multi core cpu's, should I have actually used the amd64 image? I couldn't get amd64 OR the i386 image to boot off of a (slightly used) memory stick, so I burned it to a CD. The hardware device that the system was being installed on is a refurbished Dell Optiplex 380. I could add one more detall in that device that I used to download the images was a vintage Mac. Thank you Gregory Lewis
Re: This is sort of am accessibility problem
On 10/14/2021 10:19 AM, Gregory A. Lewis wrote: Yesterday I installed Debian 11.1.0, 3 times. I installed with debian-11.1.0-i386-netinst.iso and I was connected to the internet with a cable and and ethernet. I installed 3 times because I couldn't get the root password to set. I know what the passwords that I used were. I even opened the visual view of my passwords so I wouldn't make a mistake, but after setting up and finishing install they did not work. As last resort on the third try I tried 'sudo passwd root' and that flew. It's a problem but at least the solution is simple right now. You don't want your root password floating in a setup stream anyway Thsnk you. Csn you recommend a manual for setting up auxiliary accounts on the same machine ? Thank you again. Gregory Lewis I just did an install using https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso without *ANY* problems. Check your source.
Re: Viable speech recognition tools?
On 05/22/2021 09:48 AM, Aaron wrote:
On 5/21/21 6:54 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
[snip]
The links I found seemed to suggest Deepspeech was aiming at people
like me. An important feature is that it is open source. However, I
found on article suggesting Mozilla was winding down its development.
[
https://venturebeat.com/2021/04/12/mozilla-winds-down-deepspeech-development-announces-grant-program/
]
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Even if they are winding down
development, it sounds like they will continue to be involved with it,
and they have done a truly remarkable job in getting it to the point it
is now. [...] The big
issue for Mozilla is finding a way to pay for continued development. If
people are really using the tool and aware of it that would go a long
way towards making it easier to justify funding. [snip]
I don't think I'll pursue it further until deepspeech has at least
reached the "experimental" section of the Debian repository. The
structure and underlying assumptions just don't match me.
Is there a recommended download site which has an associated user
network, be it mailing list or USENET {preferred}. I find web based
fora unusable.
I use the Github site https://github.com/mozilla/DeepSpeech when I have
questions. The developers have been surprisingly responsive in the past,
which I greatly appreciate. Hopefully the community will continue to be
responsive. I am not aware of any USENET forums for either DeepSpeech or
Automatic Speech Recognition in general, although if you do find one, I
would be interested in hearing about it.
TIA
Re: Viable speech recognition tools?
On 05/21/2021 12:17 PM, Jason White wrote:
On 21/5/21 6:54 am, Richard Owlett wrote:
The links I found seemed to suggest Deepspeech was aiming at people
like me. An important feature is that it is open source. However, I
found on article suggesting Mozilla was winding down its development.
[
https://venturebeat.com/2021/04/12/mozilla-winds-down-deepspeech-development-announces-grant-program/
]
The latest development appears to be taking place now at
https://coqui.ai/
I assume the developers are no longer Mozilla employees.
ROFL
In various searches for "deepspeech" I came across the string "coqui"
but not the URL you gave. The current contents of https://coqui.ai/
makes no mention of any association with "Deepspeech".
However, [ https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=%2B"deepspeech"; ] gives
recent hits for German, Welsh, Catalan language models and a three year
old comment on the math of speech recognition.
*NOTHING* about them distributing 'Deepspeech' ;{
Re: Viable speech recognition tools?
On 05/20/2021 10:25 AM, Aaron wrote:
On 5/19/21 5:48 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 05/16/2021 01:00 PM, Aaron wrote:
On 5/16/21 8:19 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
[I'm subscribed to the list ;]
I notice PocketSphinx in the Debian repositories.
How suitable is it for dictation by a single speaker?
I realize it is designed to be speaker independent.
TIA
I wouldn't say it is designed to be speaker independent.
When I read the description I may have "seen" what I wanted to see.
I haven't investigated speech recognition since I was using Windows a
decade ago.
I'm assuming training to my voice and speaking style. I want
continuous speech and as large a vocabulary as possible.
Thank you for getting in touch. I feel like I have a somewhat better
idea of what you are trying to do.
Kaldi, Deepspeech and FlashlightASR all recommend Linux for your
environment. I'm not sure if any of them can run on Windows or OSX.
I run only Debian Linux. I have some machines on the i386 flavor but am
moving to AMD64. The majority are Lenovo Thinkpads with legacy bios.
Pocketsphinx is definitely not going to work for the purposes of taking
dictation for letters.
The easiest way to get speech recognition is going to be to use an
online service like Google Cloud TTS. This has the full power of the
Google search engine behind it as far as language model, and they handle
all the optimizations on their side automatically. I think there is
still a free version of this service. The main reason to avoid it is, of
course, privacy, and second being that it requires an internet
connection. I only mention it because it is so much easier to get set up
right now and you didn't explicitly state what your requirements are.
BOTH caveats apply. I see a third potential pitfall. I suspect Google
will emulate Microsoft and Canonical in providing only that *THEY* think
the user *should* want. Yes, I ave strong opinions ;}
Kaldi, Mozilla Deepspeech, and FlashlightASR are all viable options.
They are all free and open source, run locally, and interface well with
Python as far as scripting the training and recognition processes (they
also interface with c++ but I'd at least prototype stuff in python
first). Kaldi and FlashlightASR are currently aimed at researchers, so
they are not easy to set up and the documentation is full of
intimidating formulas and technical jargon. Mozilla Deepspeech is
somewhat gentler to work with and seems to have better support, plus it
can be installed with a simple "pip install deepspeech". Mozilla
Deepspeech and FlashlightASR both use KenLM language models by default,
while Kaldi uses a variety of language models.
The links I found seemed to suggest Deepspeech was aiming at people like
me. An important feature is that it is open source. However, I found on
article suggesting Mozilla was winding down its development. [
https://venturebeat.com/2021/04/12/mozilla-winds-down-deepspeech-development-announces-grant-program/
]
I'm currently working on a research project where I am trying to compare
the current state of different speech recognition engines and classify
them according to strengths and weaknesses. If I can be helpful, please
let me know.
Is there a recommended download site which has an associated user
network, be it mailing list or USENET {preferred}. I find web based fora
unusable.
TIA
Re: Viable speech recognition tools?
On 05/16/2021 01:00 PM, Aaron wrote: On 5/16/21 8:19 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: [I'm subscribed to the list ;] I notice PocketSphinx in the Debian repositories. How suitable is it for dictation by a single speaker? I realize it is designed to be speaker independent. TIA I wouldn't say it is designed to be speaker independent. When I read the description I may have "seen" what I wanted to see. I haven't investigated speech recognition since I was using Windows a decade ago. I'm assuming training to my voice and speaking style. I want continuous speech and as large a vocabulary as possible. They do have several speaker independent acoustic models for different languages, but I would highly recommend adapting those to your voice, which isn't particularly difficult once you have collected a set of labeled recordings. The biggest factors in deciding whether PocketSphinx is a good choice would be the size of your dictionary, large as possible how quickly you need it to respond, Not an issue. It will be running on a dedicated laptop. and how accurate you need it to be. Important. Pocketsphinx is very, very fast. It works best if you only have a few words you want it to recognize (around 100 seems optimal). It's precision is okay but recall is pretty bad, so it will probably hear you say words you have not, or even recognize sounds as words (it can be pretty fascinating to listen to some of those recordings and comparing them to the transcript it proposed) so you need some way of letting it know you are taking to it (an intercom button or Voice Activity Detection). It also has a keyword search mode that allows you to set specific confidence levels before it will react to a word. It and Julius both work well as a command interface. I'm not interested in "command and control". It also depends on what sort of dictation you want. Most dictation relies heavily on a language model, so you need a lot of samples of the sort of language you are expecting. Pocketsphinx uses a pretty simple language model and doesn't really prioritize words based on their relations to each other. For dictation, you should probably check out Mozilla DeepSpeech. It can also be adapted to a single user pretty easily, can handle a much larger vocabulary, generally does better at both precision and recall, and uses the KenLM language model by default which is pretty easy to work with. It is almost real-time running on a CPU (either ARMv7/8 or x86_64) but gets much faster if you can use CUDA. If you don't need real-time transcriptions, FlashlightASR could be a good choice. It seems to be more accurate but also takes more resources. There are also a number of recognition engines that run on Kaldi, and those pretty much span the range between speed and accuracy. Does Kaldi, DeepSpeech, or FlashlightASR have end-user support for Linux? Recommended links for evaluating appropriateness? So what kind of dictation are you trying to do exactly? Primarily verbal note-taking and composing emails. I'm a poor two-finger typist.
Viable speech recognition tools?
I notice PocketSphinx in the Debian repositories. How suitable is it for dictation by a single speaker? I realize it is designed to be speaker independent. TIA
Re: Existence of accessibility standards??????????
Thank you for the two links. The first leads to https://www.w3.org/WAI/test-evaluate/preliminary/ which is specifically oriented to someone with my needs and background. CC: not required as I am subscribed to this list. On 04/22/2021 10:12 AM, Nick Gawronski wrote: Hi, When I as a totally blind user am advising web designers on accessibility I point them to http://w3.org/WAI and http://www.webaim.org and also do tests with the keyboard and let them know what I need as far as what information the web site should be giving me. Testing with more then one platform and browser also is very helpful. Making sure images have alt texts in their html tag and elements like forms have text labels or if they are image labels that alt texts exist. Nick Gawronski On 4/22/2021 5:21 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/21/2021 04:48 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: Richard Owlett, le mer. 21 avril 2021 16:14:58 -0500, a ecrit: Do _verifiable_ "accessibility standards" exist? There are automatic tests, but they are never enough, you always need an end-user test as well. Is there something analogous to https://validator.w3.org/ which I could run? I wish to ask a publicly funded service some ATYPICAL questions. When I submit their homepage to https://validator.w3.org/ it reports 28 errors 10 warnings I am *NOT* visually impaired. However I suspect the site would be VERY difficult to navigated by visually impaired. Such errors are a sign that they did not care, indeed. Samuel
Re: Existence of accessibility standards??????????
On 04/21/2021 04:48 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: Richard Owlett, le mer. 21 avril 2021 16:14:58 -0500, a ecrit: Do _verifiable_ "accessibility standards" exist? There are automatic tests, but they are never enough, you always need an end-user test as well. Is there something analogous to https://validator.w3.org/ which I could run? I wish to ask a publicly funded service some ATYPICAL questions. When I submit their homepage to https://validator.w3.org/ it reports 28 errors 10 warnings I am *NOT* visually impaired. However I suspect the site would be VERY difficult to navigated by visually impaired. Such errors are a sign that they did not care, indeed. Samuel
Existence of accessibility standards??????????
Do _verifiable_ "accessibility standards" exist? I wish to ask a publicly funded service some ATYPICAL questions. When I submit their homepage to https://validator.w3.org/ it reports 28 errors 10 warnings I am *NOT* visually impaired. However I suspect the site would be VERY difficult to navigated by visually impaired. I suspect they will exert effort to answer *MY* questions if I can demonstrate I've "done my homework" ;/
Re: Why doesn't this page work with Mate?
On 06/14/2020 05:29 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I am using Mate with Debian Bullseye. However, the version of Debian doesn't
make a difference. It may be important that I am using Orca with Braille,
When I try this code the window.prompt statement seems to be ignored, and then
the browser seems to hang. typing something and then enter does nothing.
John
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 12:26:41PM +1200, Aaron wrote:
On 6/12/20 4:12 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Hello,
Please look at the attached html fille. It is a small experimental page.
It works with Chrome on Windows, but not with Chromium or firefox on mate.
Why is this? Can I make it work? It will be used to develop a
word-association O
game for my websites.
Thanks,
John
I'm a web developer with a lot of experience with dynamic HTML. This
appears to be the code you are talking about:
function nextMove(curresp) {
response = curresp;
document.write("You responded " + response + "
");
return true;
}
response = window.prompt("What is your response?");
nextMove(response);
I tested this with Chromium 83 under MATE and I don't see any difference
between how it works with Firefox or Chromium. In both cases, it opens a
prompt window asking for a text input, then prints whatever was typed
into the box to the screen. In what way does it seem to not be working?
I submitted that fragment to https://validator.w3.org/ .
It reported 4 errors.
Re: How do I delete a file in Mate?
On 06/08/2020 02:52 AM, Didier Spaier wrote: Hello, caja also can be run as root, as well as pcmanfm (also shipped in Slint). But doing this is a very bad idea as it makes to easy to delete important parts of the system inadvertently. Cheers, Check out caja-gksu . The gksu extension for Caja allows you to open files with administration privileges using the context menu when browsing your files with Caja. It adds "Open as administer" to menu presented when right-clicking on file or folder.
How to reply and or post?
I am not visually impaired. How do I format a post or reply to accommodate multiple tools and or users?
Re: Web accessibility standards/recommendations?
On 09/03/2019 08:05 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: Although I am not visually impaired, I find navigating one retailer's website annoying due to inappropriate graphic design. While considering possible improvements, I realized that what would benefit me would likely benefit the visually impaired more. Are there published standards or recommendations that I should be aware of? Thank you. An off-list reply led me to "Web Content Accessibility Guidelines" [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Content_Accessibility_Guidelines ] which meets my immediate needs and is a suitable reference for corporate representatives who are not technology oriented.
Web accessibility standards/recommendations?
Although I am not visually impaired, I find navigating one retailer's website annoying due to inappropriate graphic design. While considering possible improvements, I realized that what would benefit me would likely benefit the visually impaired more. Are there published standards or recommendations that I should be aware of? Thank you.
Re: More info about petitboot? - was {Re: Can grub be made to talk?}
On 07/24/2019 06:07 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: Richard Owlett, le mer. 24 juil. 2019 05:57:55 -0500, a ecrit: On 07/24/2019 01:40 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: [snip] - petitboot is an interesting approach: you boot a Linux kernel that only runs petitboot, and there you can run a screen reader such as brltty. That can then boot the real kernel for the targetted system. I had never heard of petitboot. The information at: https://packages.debian.org/buster/petitboot https://manpages.debian.org/buster/petitboot/petitboot.8.en.html is just enough to tantalize. It may be appropriate for a personal project. I have a machine dedicated to multiple experimental Debian installs. If I read the above links correctly, petitboot will allow me to chose any system installed on the primary drive or connected flash drives. Suggested links? https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Complete_accessibility Samuel Thank you. That will aid me in installing/setting-up petitboot for initial experiments. Analyzing how petitboot.sh works should answer questions I don't yet have context to ask. I was looking for link(s) discussing petitboot itself rather than particular applications of it.
More info about petitboot? - was {Re: Can grub be made to talk?}
On 07/24/2019 01:40 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: [snip] - petitboot is an interesting approach: you boot a Linux kernel that only runs petitboot, and there you can run a screen reader such as brltty. That can then boot the real kernel for the targetted system. I had never heard of petitboot. The information at: https://packages.debian.org/buster/petitboot https://manpages.debian.org/buster/petitboot/petitboot.8.en.html is just enough to tantalize. It may be appropriate for a personal project. I have a machine dedicated to multiple experimental Debian installs. If I read the above links correctly, petitboot will allow me to chose any system installed on the primary drive or connected flash drives. Suggested links? Is there a petitboot related mailing list? TIA
Re: Minimal speech recognition -- discrete/command/control
On 04/29/2019 08:16 AM, Michael A Ray wrote: Here is a link to a Hacker Public Radio podcast about the 'blather' speech recognition system. As far as I remember it was running on a Raspberry Pi: https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=1568 I went to https://github.com/ajbogh/blather which says it is no longer being worked on. It is also aimed at a quite different scenario. It will run on my laptop under 32bit Debian Stretch. It will be running continuously, sending a text stream to a single application whenever I speak. Think of it as a voice activated typist. Thank you. On 29/04/2019 14:00, Samuel Thibault wrote: Hello, Richard Owlett, le lun. 29 avril 2019 07:46:45 -0500, a ecrit: I'm looking for speech recognition [speech to text] for command entry tasks. My keywords are: discrete speech small vocabulary speaker independent [not critical] IOW something on the other end of spectrum from Sphinx. My background is at least a decade out of date. I'm assuming an external amp and digitizer [cruddy sound means unsatisfactory performance. I prefer FOSS software. I don't have accessibility issues -- just lousy typist. Is this list appropriate? The list is probably one of the places where you can find people having ideas. Personally I don't know anything beyond sphinx and Mozilla's Common Voice project. Samuel
Minimal speech recognition -- discrete/command/control
I'm looking for speech recognition [speech to text] for command entry tasks. My keywords are: discrete speech small vocabulary speaker independent [not critical] IOW something on the other end of spectrum from Sphinx. My background is at least a decade out of date. I'm assuming an external amp and digitizer [cruddy sound means unsatisfactory performance. I prefer FOSS software. I don't have accessibility issues -- just lousy typist. Is this list appropriate? Thank you
Re: Accessibility for person with a motor disability
On 03/21/2018 10:30 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: Le 21/03/2018 à 15:27, Eric Johansson a écrit : On 3/20/2018 5:35 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: What is as you know the most efficient way to write text with a head-tracking software? [snip] I can't use keyboards much because of a repetitive stress injury. I would say that the most efficient way to write text with a head tracking software is to not even try at all. It's the wrong tool. For many kinds of mobility-based disabilities (RSI, arthritis, amputation etc.) speech recognition would be a better tool. Which tool are you using on your GNU/Linux distribution for doing speech recognition ? As to computer usage, I am not disabled. I'm finding the discussion of Dasher valuable for other reasons. Is there now viable speech recognition for Linux? I've not done an intensive search since Dragon Naturally Speaking (a Windows only app) was the only game in town. However I'm "mobility impaired" due to breaking my back about ten years ago - original prognosis was lifetime in wheelchair. I heartily agree with comments in this thread that unless you are disabled (or have frequent contact with that disability) you have no idea ...!
Re: Need testers for Atril PDF accessibility
On 12/13/2017 09:49 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: Hello all, The Mate developers have shipped accessibility features on the Atril PDF Viewer: https://github.com/mate-desktop/atril/pull/285#issuecomment-346789007 Could it be possible for some of you to test it and give us your feedback? Personally I do not have accessibility issues. However I've assisted individuals whom I've personally met thru my membership in non-computer &/or non-accessibility oriented groups. I saw a reference to this post on debian-user. It attracted my attention as within the last 4 hours I acquired a need to conveniently extract data from some PDF documents. I've been involved in (hardware primarily) QC/QA issues. I am retired -- therefore have time. HOWEVER neither 1. your link does not tell an outsider what were the goals your modification wished to accomplish *NOR* 2. does http://mate-desktop.org/ give any any hint of what Atril sets out to do, nor any details of how it tries to fulfill goals. It states it forked from a program I never heard of in order to satisfy unknown goals. Why should I get involved? P.S. Documentation appears to be an ongoing problem with FOSS projects. [ OK it is a problem with proprietary products -- shouldn't FOSS be better? ] IOW - Give me enough information to determine if I can be useful ;}
Infinite vocabulary *SPEAKER DPENDENT* voice recognition
Most of what I read is oriented towards SPEAKER INDEPENDENT command and control. That's not what I'm looking for. What I'm looking for might be described as a dictation app. I've been casually following speech recognition since the 70's. That would be nirvana *LOL* What I am looking for would: expect input from single speaker. if word NOT recognized, it would retain enough information that on replay it would yield a vocalization that the speaker could recognize and would be able to improve the recognition. Does Debian have such an app? Assume a dedicated Lenovo T510 accepting random spoken text and yielding phonetically recognizable text output. Ive casually followed field since 70's. My goal is difficult *LOL* How close can Debian come? TIA
Debian's speech recognition, how usable &/or user friendly?I've
I've had varying levels of casual interest in speech recognition since the early 70's when a post-doc friend was doing research [he and his partner shared a DEC KI-10]. I toyed with getting Dragon Naturally Speaking at one time but could justify the cost for the amount I would use it. I'm now retired and have a different perspective. Synaptic's description of pocketsphinx states "This package contains end-user speech recognition tools." However https://cmusphinx.github.io/ takes care to not "oversell" its suitability for end users. I explicitly wish to experiment. I have been suitably warned ;} Are you actively using FOSS speech recognition software? What is your evaluation of it? What microphone and D/A converter are being used? [I plan to use a headset mounted mike for two reasons: 1. consistent mike placement. 2. my environment discourages a free standing or handheld mike. An unrelated project encourages a bandwidth and bit depth well beyond what recognition software expects - this requires I do some pre-processing.] Comments please. TIA
