Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
Le 14/03/2020 à 16:56, Alan Tu a écrit : I guess Debian's defaults are the defaults for a reason. Here I thought Gnome (Gnome 3) would have fewer bugs than Mate, a fork of Gnome 2. I personally using Mate because it just works. Mate is not just a fork of GNOME2, it's a continuation of GNOME2. There are plenty of reasons why I prefer Mate over GNOME but the main one is because Mate just takes care of accessibility and do what I expect to have on my computer. Best regards.
Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
I'm not sure what you are referring to with "install Debian with speech". The live USB boots, I hit S , and the text installer starts. Alan On 3/14/20, john doe wrote: > On 3/14/2020 4:56 PM, Alan Tu wrote: >> Thanks Alex. Under Debian-testing, build uploaded 2020/03/09: >> Mate speaks correctly. My first Linux desktop. I suspect Debian 10.3 >> would be fine. >> Gnome. Same failure result, speaks a few words then nothing. Enter, >> Alt+Tab, Super+Tab, Alt+F2 orca --replace, nothing. >> >> I guess Debian's defaults are the defaults for a reason. Here I >> thought Gnome (Gnome 3) would have fewer bugs than Mate, a fork of >> Gnome 2. >> >> I can imagine an incompatibility, but orca under Gnome does speak a >> few words. I'd be willing to try some log collecting to perhaps >> diagnose Gnome 3. The Ubuntu 19.10 live CD has never spoken, >> considering their speech shortcut is Super+Alt+S, they are probably >> using a similar subsystem that just doesn't like my sound. >> >> On-board sound card: ROG SupremeFX 2015 8-Channel High Definition Audio >> CODEC >> Motherboard: Asus Maximus VIII GENE; Chipset: Intel Z170 >> > > Is it safe to assume that "Install Debian with speatch" works? > > -- > John Doe > >
Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
On 3/14/2020 4:56 PM, Alan Tu wrote: > Thanks Alex. Under Debian-testing, build uploaded 2020/03/09: > Mate speaks correctly. My first Linux desktop. I suspect Debian 10.3 > would be fine. > Gnome. Same failure result, speaks a few words then nothing. Enter, > Alt+Tab, Super+Tab, Alt+F2 orca --replace, nothing. > > I guess Debian's defaults are the defaults for a reason. Here I > thought Gnome (Gnome 3) would have fewer bugs than Mate, a fork of > Gnome 2. > > I can imagine an incompatibility, but orca under Gnome does speak a > few words. I'd be willing to try some log collecting to perhaps > diagnose Gnome 3. The Ubuntu 19.10 live CD has never spoken, > considering their speech shortcut is Super+Alt+S, they are probably > using a similar subsystem that just doesn't like my sound. > > On-board sound card: ROG SupremeFX 2015 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC > Motherboard: Asus Maximus VIII GENE; Chipset: Intel Z170 > Is it safe to assume that "Install Debian with speatch" works? -- John Doe
Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
Thanks Alex. Under Debian-testing, build uploaded 2020/03/09: Mate speaks correctly. My first Linux desktop. I suspect Debian 10.3 would be fine. Gnome. Same failure result, speaks a few words then nothing. Enter, Alt+Tab, Super+Tab, Alt+F2 orca --replace, nothing. I guess Debian's defaults are the defaults for a reason. Here I thought Gnome (Gnome 3) would have fewer bugs than Mate, a fork of Gnome 2. I can imagine an incompatibility, but orca under Gnome does speak a few words. I'd be willing to try some log collecting to perhaps diagnose Gnome 3. The Ubuntu 19.10 live CD has never spoken, considering their speech shortcut is Super+Alt+S, they are probably using a similar subsystem that just doesn't like my sound. On-board sound card: ROG SupremeFX 2015 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC Motherboard: Asus Maximus VIII GENE; Chipset: Intel Z170 Alan On 3/13/20, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Hello Alan, > > I see two options to try to figure out your issue the easiest way: > * To determine If it's a compatibility issue with your hardware could > you please try to install Debian Testing ? > * To check if it's a GNOME issues, could you please try to install Mate > instead of GNOME ? > > Best regards, > Alex. > > Le 13/03/2020 à 22:28, Alan Tu a écrit : >> Hello, I installed Debian 10.3 to a USB flash drive. The USB flash >> drive is a brand new, higher end Samsung USB, that I just bought for >> this purpose. >> >> This USB boots. I hear one beep (MBR boot?) then Orca speaks (or, I >> think its Orca): >> screen reader on, 13 push button [word] >> I missed the final word. I think "13" refers to the day of the month. >> >> Then the system stops responding. Enter, Super+Alt+S, Super+Tab, or >> Alt+Tab yield nothing. I think the system has frozen. >> >> This is not inside a virtual machine. The CPU is 64-bit, and I have 16 >> GB of RAM. >> >> When I was using the text installer, I chose Gnome (menu choice 2) >> along with SSH (11) and standard utilities (12). >> >> I believe I can find a way to mount the USB drive and review logs. >> What can I review to help narrow this down? >> >> Alan >> > >
Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
Hello Alan, I see two options to try to figure out your issue the easiest way: * To determine If it's a compatibility issue with your hardware could you please try to install Debian Testing ? * To check if it's a GNOME issues, could you please try to install Mate instead of GNOME ? Best regards, Alex. Le 13/03/2020 à 22:28, Alan Tu a écrit : Hello, I installed Debian 10.3 to a USB flash drive. The USB flash drive is a brand new, higher end Samsung USB, that I just bought for this purpose. This USB boots. I hear one beep (MBR boot?) then Orca speaks (or, I think its Orca): screen reader on, 13 push button [word] I missed the final word. I think "13" refers to the day of the month. Then the system stops responding. Enter, Super+Alt+S, Super+Tab, or Alt+Tab yield nothing. I think the system has frozen. This is not inside a virtual machine. The CPU is 64-bit, and I have 16 GB of RAM. When I was using the text installer, I chose Gnome (menu choice 2) along with SSH (11) and standard utilities (12). I believe I can find a way to mount the USB drive and review logs. What can I review to help narrow this down? Alan
Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
A w.A.G. on my part would be the debian desktop environment provides support for gnome mate and kde. I would put that on along with standard utilities since standard utilities puts many tools on your system that make it a linux system On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, Alan Tu wrote: > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 20:42:16 > From: Alan Tu <8li...@gmail.com> > To: Jude DaShiell > Cc: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, > screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, > how can I troubleshoot? > Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 00:42:32 + (UTC) > Resent-From: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > > Thanks Jude for the response. On one attempt, after I hear "screen > reader on" I tried Alt+F2, orca --replace, still silent. > > On the next attempt, after I hear "screen reader on, 13 push button", > I do nothing. About four minutes later, I hear "panel. long pause. > panel. 13 push button grayed". No keys speak. I also try the Alt+F2, > orca --replace and nothing happens. > > Let's talk about software selection. SSH server and standard utilities > are constant, let's leave those out of this discussion. > > I have consistently chosen just "Gnome". Do I need to choose both > "Gnome" and "Debian desktop environment"? I have no idea what Debian > desktop environment is, because the other environment choices are very > specific like Gnome, KDE and Mate. > > Alan > > > On 3/13/20, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Try alt-f2 then type orca --replace and hit enter and see if that gets > > you anything. > > On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, Alan Tu wrote: > > > >> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 17:28:17 > >> From: Alan Tu <8li...@gmail.com> > >> To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > >> Subject: new 10.3 install, Gnome, > >> screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, > >> how can I troubleshoot? > >> Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 21:28:31 + (UTC) > >> Resent-From: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > >> > >> Hello, I installed Debian 10.3 to a USB flash drive. The USB flash > >> drive is a brand new, higher end Samsung USB, that I just bought for > >> this purpose. > >> > >> This USB boots. I hear one beep (MBR boot?) then Orca speaks (or, I > >> think its Orca): > >> screen reader on, 13 push button [word] > >> I missed the final word. I think "13" refers to the day of the month. > >> > >> Then the system stops responding. Enter, Super+Alt+S, Super+Tab, or > >> Alt+Tab yield nothing. I think the system has frozen. > >> > >> This is not inside a virtual machine. The CPU is 64-bit, and I have 16 > >> GB of RAM. > >> > >> When I was using the text installer, I chose Gnome (menu choice 2) > >> along with SSH (11) and standard utilities (12). > >> > >> I believe I can find a way to mount the USB drive and review logs. > >> What can I review to help narrow this down? > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> > > > > -- > > > > > > --
Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
Thanks Jude for the response. On one attempt, after I hear "screen reader on" I tried Alt+F2, orca --replace, still silent. On the next attempt, after I hear "screen reader on, 13 push button", I do nothing. About four minutes later, I hear "panel. long pause. panel. 13 push button grayed". No keys speak. I also try the Alt+F2, orca --replace and nothing happens. Let's talk about software selection. SSH server and standard utilities are constant, let's leave those out of this discussion. I have consistently chosen just "Gnome". Do I need to choose both "Gnome" and "Debian desktop environment"? I have no idea what Debian desktop environment is, because the other environment choices are very specific like Gnome, KDE and Mate. Alan On 3/13/20, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Try alt-f2 then type orca --replace and hit enter and see if that gets > you anything. > On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, Alan Tu wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 17:28:17 >> From: Alan Tu <8li...@gmail.com> >> To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org >> Subject: new 10.3 install, Gnome, >> screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, >> how can I troubleshoot? >> Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 21:28:31 + (UTC) >> Resent-From: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org >> >> Hello, I installed Debian 10.3 to a USB flash drive. The USB flash >> drive is a brand new, higher end Samsung USB, that I just bought for >> this purpose. >> >> This USB boots. I hear one beep (MBR boot?) then Orca speaks (or, I >> think its Orca): >> screen reader on, 13 push button [word] >> I missed the final word. I think "13" refers to the day of the month. >> >> Then the system stops responding. Enter, Super+Alt+S, Super+Tab, or >> Alt+Tab yield nothing. I think the system has frozen. >> >> This is not inside a virtual machine. The CPU is 64-bit, and I have 16 >> GB of RAM. >> >> When I was using the text installer, I chose Gnome (menu choice 2) >> along with SSH (11) and standard utilities (12). >> >> I believe I can find a way to mount the USB drive and review logs. >> What can I review to help narrow this down? >> >> Alan >> >> > > -- > >
Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
Try alt-f2 then type orca --replace and hit enter and see if that gets you anything. On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, Alan Tu wrote: > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 17:28:17 > From: Alan Tu <8li...@gmail.com> > To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > Subject: new 10.3 install, Gnome, > screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, > how can I troubleshoot? > Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 21:28:31 + (UTC) > Resent-From: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > > Hello, I installed Debian 10.3 to a USB flash drive. The USB flash > drive is a brand new, higher end Samsung USB, that I just bought for > this purpose. > > This USB boots. I hear one beep (MBR boot?) then Orca speaks (or, I > think its Orca): > screen reader on, 13 push button [word] > I missed the final word. I think "13" refers to the day of the month. > > Then the system stops responding. Enter, Super+Alt+S, Super+Tab, or > Alt+Tab yield nothing. I think the system has frozen. > > This is not inside a virtual machine. The CPU is 64-bit, and I have 16 > GB of RAM. > > When I was using the text installer, I chose Gnome (menu choice 2) > along with SSH (11) and standard utilities (12). > > I believe I can find a way to mount the USB drive and review logs. > What can I review to help narrow this down? > > Alan > > --
