Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup
Hello, FTR, the issue about the debian installer not configuring the wifi on the installed system is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068 the main issue is that when network-manager is not getting installed, one would have to write the wifi password in the world-readable /etc/network/interfaces , which is not something one usually wants to do, and from there it's currently a statu quo. Samuel
Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup
Hi Samuel, Samuel Thibault schrieb am 11.12.2016, 11:31 +0100: >FTR, the issue about the debian installer not configuring the wifi on >the installed system is >https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068 >the main issue is that when network-manager is not getting installed, >one would have to write the wifi password in the world-readable >/etc/network/interfaces , which is not something one usually wants to do, Well, you can always configure it in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf. That's not end-user friendly, but it works reliably. Sebastian -- Web: http://www.crustulus.de (English|Deutsch) | Blog: http://www.crustulus.de/blog FreeDict: Free multilingual dictionaries - http://www.freedict.org Freies Latein-Deutsch-Wörterbuch: http://www.crustulus.de/freedict.de.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup
If networkmanager were installed by default even a command line user could then use nmtui and if that worked solve this problem. There is wpa_passphrase that could append to /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf if that doesn't break the configuration file as a back out option. On Sun, 11 Dec 2016, Samuel Thibault wrote: Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 05:31:50 From: Samuel Thibault To: Jude DaShiell Cc: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 10:32:06 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Hello, FTR, the issue about the debian installer not configuring the wifi on the installed system is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068 the main issue is that when network-manager is not getting installed, one would have to write the wifi password in the world-readable /etc/network/interfaces , which is not something one usually wants to do, and from there it's currently a statu quo. Samuel --
Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup
Hi, Is this also the reason when I used the week build of November 28th, 2016 and did not install any desktop no wireless network was setup? I think there should be an option to ask the user about this issue as I myself would be ok for this to be done on my personal laptop? Nick Gawronski On 12/11/2016 4:31 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: Hello, FTR, the issue about the debian installer not configuring the wifi on the installed system is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068 the main issue is that when network-manager is not getting installed, one would have to write the wifi password in the world-readable /etc/network/interfaces , which is not something one usually wants to do, and from there it's currently a statu quo. Samuel
Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup
Yes, that's why that happened. Command line users now need to roll their own /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf files. On Mon, 12 Dec 2016, Nick Gawronski wrote: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:17:58 From: Nick Gawronski To: Jude DaShiell , debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup Hi, Is this also the reason when I used the week build of November 28th, 2016 and did not install any desktop no wireless network was setup? I think there should be an option to ask the user about this issue as I myself would be ok for this to be done on my personal laptop? Nick Gawronski On 12/11/2016 4:31 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: Hello, FTR, the issue about the debian installer not configuring the wifi on the installed system is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068 the main issue is that when network-manager is not getting installed, one would have to write the wifi password in the world-readable /etc/network/interfaces , which is not something one usually wants to do, and from there it's currently a statu quo. Samuel --
Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup
Hi, Why not have options in the installer at low priority about putting the information into the interfaces file and setting up the wireless connections for command line users as this is why lots of people who I know don't use Debian with the command line as it would make sence if wireless was working during the installation it should be working after the installation and if they only have one computer and they are installing only Debian it is kind of tricky to research on line when internet is not working and no document is on the system to help out the new user? Nick Gawronski On 12/12/2016 9:18 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: Yes, that's why that happened. Command line users now need to roll their own /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf files. On Mon, 12 Dec 2016, Nick Gawronski wrote: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:17:58 From: Nick Gawronski To: Jude DaShiell , debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup Hi, Is this also the reason when I used the week build of November 28th, 2016 and did not install any desktop no wireless network was setup? I think there should be an option to ask the user about this issue as I myself would be ok for this to be done on my personal laptop? Nick Gawronski On 12/11/2016 4:31 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: Hello, FTR, the issue about the debian installer not configuring the wifi on the installed system is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068 the main issue is that when network-manager is not getting installed, one would have to write the wifi password in the world-readable /etc/network/interfaces , which is not something one usually wants to do, and from there it's currently a statu quo. Samuel
Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup
Hello, Nick Gawronski, on Mon 12 Dec 2016 23:26:20 -0600, wrote: > Why not have options in the installer at low priority about putting the > information into the interfaces file and setting up the wireless connections Please see bug report and get some people working on it, simply. > for command line users as this is why lots of people who I know don't use > Debian with the command line as it would make sence if wireless was working > during the installation it should be working after the installation Say that to the bug report (694...@bugs.debian.org), not just debian-accessibility. See the bug report, really, that's where discussion should happen. Really, "why this is not done" can very often be answered by either "no consensus was found yet on how to do it" or "nobody took the time to implement it". Here it's a bit of both. Samuel
Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup
It's worse than that since debian documentation for command line wireless set up leaves lots of information all over the place and you have to go through several documents and even then you can't be sure you did anything right. There's iwconfig and iwlist to learn. Then it splits into whether you're doing single wireless connection or roaming wireless connection and all of that really ought to be in separated documents. If I ever get the command line network configuration working for a single wireless connection I'll do a step-wise write up on what I did to get all of this working. I hope it will help others once it goes up on the internet. On Mon, 12 Dec 2016, Nick Gawronski wrote: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 00:26:20 From: Nick Gawronski To: Jude DaShiell , debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup Hi, Why not have options in the installer at low priority about putting the information into the interfaces file and setting up the wireless connections for command line users as this is why lots of people who I know don't use Debian with the command line as it would make sence if wireless was working during the installation it should be working after the installation and if they only have one computer and they are installing only Debian it is kind of tricky to research on line when internet is not working and no document is on the system to help out the new user? Nick Gawronski On 12/12/2016 9:18 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: Yes, that's why that happened. Command line users now need to roll their own /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf files. On Mon, 12 Dec 2016, Nick Gawronski wrote: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:17:58 From: Nick Gawronski To: Jude DaShiell , debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: stretch orca and wifi connection setup Hi, Is this also the reason when I used the week build of November 28th, 2016 and did not install any desktop no wireless network was setup? I think there should be an option to ask the user about this issue as I myself would be ok for this to be done on my personal laptop? Nick Gawronski On 12/11/2016 4:31 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: Hello, FTR, the issue about the debian installer not configuring the wifi on the installed system is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068 the main issue is that when network-manager is not getting installed, one would have to write the wifi password in the world-readable /etc/network/interfaces , which is not something one usually wants to do, and from there it's currently a statu quo. Samuel --
