On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net wrote:
On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 12:00:26PM +0200, Thibaut VARENE wrote:
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Mark Hymers m...@debian.org wrote:
Hi,
As mentioned in the recent ftp-team meeting minutes, we're planning to
remove alpha and hppa from unstable. They were removed from testing
before the squeeze release and there's no sign that they will be release
architectures for wheezy. As such, we're planning to remove them from
unstable and experimental in the next few days. buildd support for
unstable and experimental will also be ended at that time, but will
obviously continue for lenny updates / security builds.
Before we remove the architectures, archives will be taken for anyone
who wants to take a copy of the dump to use elsewhere. These dumps will
be made available on request.
Just curious:
1) what's the cost of letting the unstable buildds run on a don't
care basis? (question which I asked before and which remained
unanswered afaik)
2) what's up with the FTPmasters' minutes which stated the hppa
archive would be moved to debian-ports?
As clearly explained in the mail to debian-devel-announce, it's the
porters job to do the transition. Currently debian-ports can't accept a
new port due to disk space issue. We already tried to upgrade them, but
it failed. The porters wantijng a new port on debian-ports.org should
find a person in Paris who can go to the place and fix the issue (which
probably means also buying a new hard drive).
So, it seems this reads it's your [porters] job to do the transition,
but anyway, we can't accept your contribution since our infrastructure
is currently not ready and it will also be /your/ [porters] job to fix
that. Somehow that looks very much like oh, we're gonna screw you
and we couldn't care less, it's your problem. Maybe I'm overreacting
tho ;P
So basically the transition from somewhere currently available to
nowhere until you [porters] find a place and handle the data
transfer is the only option? Nice.
If I understand this right, the hppa port is basically terminated
without leaving any reasonable option for a recovery within the Debian
infrastructure. I'm not sure the people who followed the discussion
related to not releasing squeeze-hppa realized it had that kind of
implication.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems there is no transition
path for the current users of Debian hppa unstable? i.e. when the
removal is completed, they'll be left with whatever state their
systems are in? How does that fit with Social Contract #4 Our
priorities are _our users_ and free software?
Still curious: what's to become of the hppa hardware currently in
Debian's hands?
My 2c in trying to clarify things so that every concerned party fully
understands what's in it for them.
3) shouldn't such a decision (the removal of an arch from the archive)
be voted on, instead of being the arbitrary ruling of a couple of DDs?
Or did I miss the bit that said not releasing in time equals archive
removal?
ftpmasters are not a couple DD, but DPL delegates. As such, they can
take decisions regarding the archive.
I didn't realize the DPL (or his delegates) had almighty power upon
the archive content, in particular regarding removing architectures
and thus depriving Debian users of the freedom to use them.
Thanks for the head's up.
Cheers,
T-Bone
PS: obviously the same could be said for Debian alpha, but I'm not
familiar with the discussions regarding this particular arch.
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