Re: Debian Etch on Samsung 164UX/BX Alpha

2007-12-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:52:06PM +0100, Wouter Rademaker wrote:
 When you have an other Alpha, you can try to
 compose a harddisk (or a set of harddisks) that
 can be booted on the Samsung 164UX/BX Alpha.
 
 A set of harddisks is maybe the easiest:
 You will need a harddisk with a fat-partition
 with all the arcbiosstuf and a kernel that can
 read the second BSD-partitioned disk.
 
 On the second disk is a very basic generic
 debian-installation made on the other Alpha.
 
 milo boots the kernel on the first disk and the
 kernel boots the installation on the second
 disk.

The thing is that I haven't managed to get any version of milo to boot
any version of kernel on the machine yet.

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Re: Debian Etch on Samsung 164UX/BX Alpha

2007-12-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:14:38PM +0100, Roman Hirsch wrote:
 I have Samsung 164UX/BX Alpha (ruffian) with old RedHat 6.2 on it.
 On all other computers i I have Debian.
 
 I want to install Debian on this alpha computer.
 
 There is one big problem:
 
 I found in the net that this alpha has only ARCBIOS (no SRM console  :( ).

No it doesn't have ARC, it has ARCSBIOS (note the S).  I have two of
them and I still haven't managed to get them to boot anything (the last
debian version to support installing on them was woody and I can't get
it to boot on them either).  They need a special version of milo and
linload (to load milo) to do anything.  Supposedly if you can get it
booted, you can upgrade to current debian and use it.

 And somthing like that on official debian pages:
 
 GNU/Linux is the only operating system on Alpha that can be booted from 
 both console types, but Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 only supports booting on 
 SRM-based systems. If you have an Alpha for which no version of SRM is 
 available, if you will be dual-booting the system with Windows NT, or if 
 your boot device requires ARC console support for BIOS initialization, 
 you will not be able to use the Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 installer. You can 
 still run Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 on such systems by using other install 
 media; for instance, you can install Debian woody with MILO and upgrade.
 RedHat boots via milo on small MS-DOS partition... 
 
 Have you any ideas how to install Etch on APC 164UX/BX?
 Is the woody with milo one way to do it?
 (there is a problem to download woody iso images)

You can't boot from CD on those.  Floppy and HD only.  FAT filesystem
only too.  May as well net install woody if that is still posible (sould
be on the debian archive server).

I will put up a web page with instructions if I ever get mine to work.

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Re: Debian Etch on Samsung 164UX/BX Alpha

2007-12-06 Thread Andreas Czerniak
Which is the URL to your web page ?

I have a Ruffian too, but installed with SuSE 7.1 -- I would update to
Debian too ;)

-Andreas.

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Re: Debian Etch on Samsung 164UX/BX Alpha

2007-12-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 05:04:10PM +0100, Andreas Czerniak wrote:
 Which is the URL to your web page ?
 
 I have a Ruffian too, but installed with SuSE 7.1 -- I would update to
 Debian too ;)

I haven't made it yet since I haven't solved my install problem yet. :(
So far only my PWS433a has debian on it (since it has SRM and was hence
simple).  My multia only has 32MB ram which was not enough for the
installer (and it's very slow too).

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Re: Debian Etch on Samsung 164UX/BX Alpha

2007-12-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:52:06PM +0100, Wouter Rademaker wrote:
 When you have an other Alpha, you can try to
 compose a harddisk (or a set of harddisks) that
 can be booted on the Samsung 164UX/BX Alpha.

 A set of harddisks is maybe the easiest:
 You will need a harddisk with a fat-partition
 with all the arcbiosstuf and a kernel that can
 read the second BSD-partitioned disk.

 On the second disk is a very basic generic
 debian-installation made on the other Alpha.

 milo boots the kernel on the first disk and the
 kernel boots the installation on the second
 disk.

Why would you need/want two hard disks?  If this is a system that can only
ever be booted from arcs, I see no reason why you wouldn't put everything on
a single disk with a FAT partition.  (Or if you wanted two disks, to RAID
them instead.)

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Re: Debian Etch on Samsung 164UX/BX Alpha

2007-12-06 Thread Wouter Rademaker

# Lennart Sorensen sprak:
 On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 05:04:10PM +0100,
 Andreas Czerniak wrote:
 Which is the URL to your web page ?

 I have a Ruffian too, but installed with SuSE
 7.1 -- I would update to
 Debian too ;)

 I haven't made it yet since I haven't solved my
 install problem yet. :(
 So far only my PWS433a has debian on it (since
 it has SRM and was hence
 simple).  My multia only has 32MB ram which was
 not enough for the
 installer (and it's very slow too).

 --
 Len SOrensen

When you have an other Alpha, you can try to
compose a harddisk (or a set of harddisks) that
can be booted on the Samsung 164UX/BX Alpha.

A set of harddisks is maybe the easiest:
You will need a harddisk with a fat-partition
with all the arcbiosstuf and a kernel that can
read the second BSD-partitioned disk.

On the second disk is a very basic generic
debian-installation made on the other Alpha.

milo boots the kernel on the first disk and the
kernel boots the installation on the second
disk.

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