Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-31 Thread Bob Tracy
rct wrote:
 Michael Cree wrote:
  BTW, Bob, did you ever get the ES1887/8 sound going?   It's fixed in  
  ALSA 1.0.13.  Iirc, kernel 2.6.18 has ALSA version 1.0.12 so if you  
  haven't installed kernel 2.6.19.x yourself, then try installing ALSA  
  1.0.13 in place of kernel supplied ALSA, and you should find the snd- 
  es18xx module fixed.
 
 I'm a slug...  Got sound working with the OSS sb driver and figured I'd
 care about ALSA when OSS finally went bye-bye.  Thanks for the heads-up.
 I'll give the snd-es18xx driver a shot sometime this weekend and report
 back.

Ok...  Took a bit longer than I thought it would, but I'm happy to
report that ALSA is finally working correctly on my PWS 433au with
the 2.6.20-rc6 kernel.  Looks like I can finally bid the OSS sb driver
a fond but long overdue farewell.

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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-25 Thread Bob Tracy
Michael Cree wrote:
 I've finally got around to trying it out.  A PWS600AU with its  
 original DEC supplied video card that uses the tga2 driver.
 (...)
 1) Are there known issues with the tga2 driver/cards and xorg 7.1 ?

None seen here.  I've got a 433au that only recently saw its tga2
replaced with a Radeon 7500, and Xorg 7.1 was key to making that
happen after more than half a year of Xorg-7.X+ati being broken.
You may safely assume I made sure everything was working correctly
with my old tga2 standby before I spent more time beating my head
against the wall with the Radeon :-).

As far as tga2 setup in the xorg.conf file, my card Device section
looked like this:

Section Device
Identifier  Digital PBXGB-AA
Driver  tga
BusID   PCI:0:12:0
EndSection

Specifying the BusID was absolutely necessary, and make sure you use
the correct value for your particular setup.  Other gotchas I seem
to remember:

(1) Make sure the rotary switch on the tga2 is set to the video mode
you intend to run.
(2) You may have to tweak the monitor section HorizSync and VertRefresh
rates to force selection of the appropriate video mode by the tga
driver.  I was running the card at 1024x768, so
{ HorizSync, VertRefresh } == { 31.5-57.0, 50.0-70.0 } worked
well for me with a generic 15 monitor.
(3) You've only got 8 bits of depth at 1024x768, so how well
applications share colors becomes a serious issue.  For me, Gnome
worked well, but KDE was ugly as sin.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-25 Thread Jay Estabrook
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 09:33:38AM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote:
 Michael Cree wrote:
  I've finally got around to trying it out.  A PWS600AU with its  
  original DEC supplied video card that uses the tga2 driver.
  (...)
  1) Are there known issues with the tga2 driver/cards and xorg 7.1 ?
 
 None seen here.  I've got a 433au that only recently saw its tga2
 replaced with a Radeon 7500, and Xorg 7.1 was key to making that
 happen after more than half a year of Xorg-7.X+ati being broken.
 You may safely assume I made sure everything was working correctly
 with my old tga2 standby before I spent more time beating my head
 against the wall with the Radeon :-).

Hi, Bob,

Glad you finally got your Radeon going.

And thanks for filling me in re: the existence of the TGA driver in
Xorg 7.x; I made a bad assumption just because I'd not seen an RPM for
it... ;-}

 As far as tga2 setup in the xorg.conf file, my card Device section
 looked like this:
 
 Section Device
   Identifier  Digital PBXGB-AA
   Driver  tga
   BusID   PCI:0:12:0
 EndSection
 
 Specifying the BusID was absolutely necessary, and make sure you use
 the correct value for your particular setup.

Remember, the values in the BusID are in decimal, and what you get
from /sbin/lspci are in hexadecimal.

 Other gotchas I seem
 to remember:
 
 (1) Make sure the rotary switch on the tga2 is set to the video mode
 you intend to run.

Really? This makes a difference with Xorg? Or with TGA2?

I only remember it being needed with the original TGA, since that was
done as a framebuffer, and the SRM consoles' FB driver wanted some
idea as to resolution/refresh rate to use, since the prevalent
monitors in those days were fixed rates (not like today's
multi-syncs).

TGA2 has a VGA on it (Cirrus CL-GD5429 or similar, for text-mode
console), and I believe SRM console always runs the BIOS for it, so
that it comes up 720x400 at 70Hz, regardless of how the switch is set
on the card (verified on both DS10 and LX164 with the latest SRM
console versions for the respective platform).

It's possible that the Xserver under Tru64 would/could utilize the
switch to set its resolution/refresh, but I don't think XFree86/Xorg
TGA support has ever had that capbility.

Identify the 8-plane cards thusly:
1. original TGA has large DEC chip and large BT485 RAMDAC, DIP switch
2. TGA2 has large silver IBM chip, BT485 RAMDAC, and Cirrus CL-GD5429, rotary 
switch

Identify the 24-plane cards thusly:
1. original TGA has large DEC chip and large BT463 RAMDAC, DIP switch
2. TGA2 has large silver IBM chip, huge IBM RAMDAC, and Cirrus CL-GD5429, 
rotary switch

 (3) You've only got 8 bits of depth at 1024x768, so how well
 applications share colors becomes a serious issue.  For me, Gnome
 worked well, but KDE was ugly as sin.

I've heard of folks able to use 1600x1200 at 8 bits (though at 60Hz),
since there's 2MB of video memory on an 8-plane card (TGA or TGA2);
I've always been able to use 1280x1024 without problems, although,
as you say, it does depend on the capabilities of the monitor.

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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-25 Thread Bob Tracy
Jay Estabrook wrote:
  (1) Make sure the rotary switch on the tga2 is set to the video mode
  you intend to run.
 
 Really? This makes a difference with Xorg? Or with TGA2?

H...  Ya know, now that you mention it, I don't think it ever
occurred to me to try running the card under Linux with the rotary
switch set to something other than the video mode I intended to use
under X11 :-).  I'm sure my thinking was along the lines of the
switch provideth the ultimate guidance as to what video modes are
possible and/or supported by the card hardware.  At which point,
I tried to specify the chosen mode accurately in the xorg.conf file.

 TGA2 has a VGA on it (Cirrus CL-GD5429 or similar, for text-mode
 console), and I believe SRM console always runs the BIOS for it, so
 that it comes up 720x400 at 70Hz, regardless of how the switch is set
 on the card (verified on both DS10 and LX164 with the latest SRM
 console versions for the respective platform).

True enough that the card always comes up with what I assumed was
a standard 80x25 text mode screen at boot time, regardless of the switch
setting.  Given my assumption about that being a text mode, that didn't
violate the principle of least astonishment :-).

 It's possible that the Xserver under Tru64 would/could utilize the
 switch to set its resolution/refresh, but I don't think XFree86/Xorg
 TGA support has ever had that capbility.

I guess I don't think enough like a hacquer...  Never occurred to me
that the switch wouldn't have some effect on the available graphics
mode for the X server.

 I've heard of folks able to use 1600x1200 at 8 bits (though at 60Hz),
 since there's 2MB of video memory on an 8-plane card (TGA or TGA2);
 I've always been able to use 1280x1024 without problems, although,
 as you say, it does depend on the capabilities of the monitor.

Yeah, my eyes can't stand the 60 Hz flicker...  70 Hz is pretty much the
minimum I can personally tolerate for more than a few minutes.

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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-25 Thread Jay Estabrook
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 04:26:19PM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote:
 
 True enough that the card always comes up with what I assumed was
 a standard 80x25 text mode screen at boot time, regardless of the switch
 setting.  Given my assumption about that being a text mode, that didn't
 violate the principle of least astonishment :-).

If you had an original TGA, changing the switch would make a MASSIVE
difference in what the console looks like... :-)

And remember, it really was a just an indicator to the software what
the hardware should be made to look like; I know that the switch
contents are readable in some way off that card, but haven't the
foggiest idea how or where... :-(

 I guess I don't think enough like a hacquer...  Never occurred to me
 that the switch wouldn't have some effect on the available graphics
 mode for the X server.

Until you tried changing it, and it didn't... ;-}

  I've heard of folks able to use 1600x1200 at 8 bits (though at 60Hz),
  since there's 2MB of video memory on an 8-plane card (TGA or TGA2);
  I've always been able to use 1280x1024 without problems, although,
  as you say, it does depend on the capabilities of the monitor.
 
 Yeah, my eyes can't stand the 60 Hz flicker...  70 Hz is pretty much the
 minimum I can personally tolerate for more than a few minutes.

I find it hard to use even 70Hz any more with my old eyes... :-\

 --Jay++

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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-25 Thread Michael Cree

On 26/01/2007, at 4:33 AM, Bob Tracy wrote:


Michael Cree wrote:

I've finally got around to trying it out.  A PWS600AU with its
original DEC supplied video card that uses the tga2 driver.
(...)
1) Are there known issues with the tga2 driver/cards and xorg 7.1 ?



(3) You've only got 8 bits of depth at 1024x768, so how well
applications share colors becomes a serious issue.  For me, Gnome
worked well, but KDE was ugly as sin.


That might just be the issue.  I didn't think to check the bit depth  
of the allocated screen mode.  I have got so used to 24bit colour  
display being the default.   Will check later today after work.


BTW, Bob, did you ever get the ES1887/8 sound going?   It's fixed in  
ALSA 1.0.13.  Iirc, kernel 2.6.18 has ALSA version 1.0.12 so if you  
haven't installed kernel 2.6.19.x yourself, then try installing ALSA  
1.0.13 in place of kernel supplied ALSA, and you should find the snd- 
es18xx module fixed.


Michael.


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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-25 Thread Bob Tracy
Michael Cree wrote:
 BTW, Bob, did you ever get the ES1887/8 sound going?   It's fixed in  
 ALSA 1.0.13.  Iirc, kernel 2.6.18 has ALSA version 1.0.12 so if you  
 haven't installed kernel 2.6.19.x yourself, then try installing ALSA  
 1.0.13 in place of kernel supplied ALSA, and you should find the snd- 
 es18xx module fixed.

I'm a slug...  Got sound working with the OSS sb driver and figured I'd
care about ALSA when OSS finally went bye-bye.  Thanks for the heads-up.
I'll give the snd-es18xx driver a shot sometime this weekend and report
back.

Given I haven't looked at the ALSA driver for many moons, would the
below be a correct options line for /etc/modprobe.d/sound

options snd-es18xx enable=1 isapnp=0 port=0x220 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=5 
mpu_port=0x330

where dma2 corresponds, in theory, to the dma16 argument for the
OSS sb driver?

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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-24 Thread Michael Cree

On 8/01/2007, at 5:45 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:

I'm happy to report that after quite a bit of hunting, bug #392500  
is fixed

in xorg-server 2:1.1.1-14 in incoming.


Nice.

I've finally got around to trying it out.  A PWS600AU with its  
original DEC supplied video card that uses the tga2 driver.  Had  
upgraded to etch RC1 awhile ago, and updated from package servers  
last night (probably last morning for you guys on the wrong side of  
the world) and upgraded the kernel to the latest debian kernel to  
sort out that blasted virtual memory problem that aptitude tripped up.


It's a bit strange.  A whole of lot of colours don't show up and just  
appear black.  E.g. the gdm login screen is all black except for the  
box for entering in the login username/password.  Same once logged  
into gnome.  Many colours just appear as black.  Bit difficult to use  
when things like menus just fade into the abyss.  By choosing themes  
I managed to find one in which most things were visible.


Wondered if it might be a driver issue, so ripped out the DEC video  
card and stuck in a ATI Radeon 7000 that I managed to borrow off a  
mate, and changed the video driver to radeon in xorg.conf.  The gdm  
login screen and gnome all work fine now - so fixes the problem  
described above.  But the console terminals (tty1 to tty6) are now  
all buggered up.  Lots of blocky lines with slight changes in pattern  
where one would normally expect to see text!


So questions:

1) Are there known issues with the tga2 driver/cards and xorg 7.1 ?

2) Is the blocky line issue on the consoles terminals a configuration  
issue or something more serious?  Where would I look in the  
configuration files to fix that up?


Cheerio
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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-24 Thread Jay Estabrook
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 09:46:03AM +1300, Michael Cree wrote:
 
 So questions:
 
 1) Are there known issues with the tga2 driver/cards and xorg 7.1 ?

Well, yes; there's no TGA driver module! It was never ported to the
modularized driver scheme in Xorg 7.x.

What you are seeing, is a different server (Cirrus?) running on the
VGA chip that was put on TGA2 to provide text mode console. That
server is NOT running the TGA2 chip, and it is probably limited to
512KB of memory...

 2) Is the blocky line issue on the consoles terminals a configuration  
 issue or something more serious?  Where would I look in the  
 configuration files to fix that up?

It's probably a matter of the save/restore of state by the Cirrus
driver is not working correctly on Alpha.

You've a MUCH better chance for satisfaction with ATI or Matrox
or Permedia based cards; those are known to work fine.

Good luck.

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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-24 Thread Michael Cree

On 25/01/2007, at 10:42 AM, Jay Estabrook wrote:


On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 09:46:03AM +1300, Michael Cree wrote:


1) Are there known issues with the tga2 driver/cards and xorg 7.1 ?


Well, yes; there's no TGA driver module! It was never ported to the
modularized driver scheme in Xorg 7.x.


Well, that explains the issues with the DEC video card.


2) Is the blocky line issue on the consoles terminals a configuration
issue or something more serious?  Where would I look in the
configuration files to fix that up?


It's probably a matter of the save/restore of state by the Cirrus
driver is not working correctly on Alpha.

You've a MUCH better chance for satisfaction with ATI or Matrox
or Permedia based cards; those are known to work fine.


Ahh, but the above was seen with an ATI Radeon 7000 card.  I pulled  
out the DEC video card and inserted the Radeon 7000.  Then I saw the  
problems with the console terminals.  Admittedly I didn't think at  
the time to check thoroughly the X11 log file to check for any  
reported issues, but I did change the video driver spec in the /etc/ 
X11/xorg.conf file to radeon.


Cheers
Michael.


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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-24 Thread Jay Estabrook
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 11:00:16AM +1300, Michael Cree wrote:
 On 25/01/2007, at 10:42 AM, Jay Estabrook wrote:
 
 On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 09:46:03AM +1300, Michael Cree wrote:
 
 1) Are there known issues with the tga2 driver/cards and xorg 7.1 ?
 
 Well, yes; there's no TGA driver module! It was never ported to the
 modularized driver scheme in Xorg 7.x.
 
 Well, that explains the issues with the DEC video card.

;-}

 2) Is the blocky line issue on the consoles terminals a configuration
 issue or something more serious?  Where would I look in the
 configuration files to fix that up?
 
 It's probably a matter of the save/restore of state by the Cirrus
 driver is not working correctly on Alpha.
 
 You've a MUCH better chance for satisfaction with ATI or Matrox
 or Permedia based cards; those are known to work fine.
 
 Ahh, but the above was seen with an ATI Radeon 7000 card.  I pulled  
 out the DEC video card and inserted the Radeon 7000.  Then I saw the  
 problems with the console terminals.  Admittedly I didn't think at  
 the time to check thoroughly the X11 log file to check for any  
 reported issues, but I did change the video driver spec in the /etc/ 
 X11/xorg.conf file to radeon.

Oh, OK, I got confused on the details... :-\

But the comment may still be accurate; the 7000 itself has always been
problematic, on any architecture IIRC, and it's possible that the
save/restore of stock VGA settings doesn't quite work on that card on
Alpha. I've not noticed problems with a 7500, but I'm not sure I've
looked recently at text consoles. I've been pleased with the stability
when exiting the server on 7500 (and 9100), meaning it seems to always
get to text mode reasonably cleanly.

Sorry I can't be more help.

 --Jay++

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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-13 Thread Bob Tracy
Steve Langasek wrote:
 (...) xorg-server 2:1.1.1-14 (...)
 
 Please test if this version of xserver-xorg-core fixes any problems you
 might have been having with X on alphas (specifically, ev56 and above).

You guys are awesome...  Finally screwed up my courage and put my ATI
card back in my 433au, and it works beautifully.  Currently running at
1024x768, 16-bit depth, 70.1 Hz refresh.

Summary configuration: 433au running Sarge plus lots of upgrades from
the testing and unstable pools.  Kernel today is 2.6.20-rc4 built from
the standard kernel.org sources.  modprobe radeonfb has this to say
about what's in the machine:

radeonfb: Found Intel x86 BIOS ROM Image
radeonfb: Retrieved PLL infos from BIOS
radeonfb: Reference=27.00 MHz (RefDiv=12) Memory=250.00 Mhz, System=200.00 MHz
radeonfb: PLL min 2 max 35000
radeonfb: Monitor 1 type CRT found
radeonfb: Monitor 2 type no found
radeonfb (:00:0c.0): ATI Radeon QW

Xorg.0.log says:

(--) PCI:*(0:12:0) ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV200 QW [Radeon 7500] rev 0, 
Mem @ 0x1000/28, 0x0926/16, I/O @ 0x9000/8, BIOS @ 0x0924/17

Card is a PowerColor RV2P-3B w/64 MB of 64-bit DDR SDRAM, i.e., not
ATI-branded.

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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-10 Thread g...@decadence.it

On 09/01/2007 23:06:25, Geoff Martin wrote:

Reporting FULL WORKING AGAIN on my LX164, with Matrox Millennium II
Graphics.
Thanks Steve!

Geoff Martin


Hello guys

I also could tell that Xorg is fully working on Alpha PWS with Matrox  
G450 PCI.

Nicely, it is the first time I see DRI working on Matrox PCI cards!

It is time for a benchmark test with Matrox G450 PCI 32MB SDR and  
Voodoo 5/5500 PCI 64MB!

Which software could I use to test?

bye!
gl


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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-10 Thread Joni Bäcklund
How can you install the new Xorg packages.. I still see the broken
ones at ftp.fi.debian.org

They will be on the servers soon so that I can just do apt-get update ?

Ill be MORE than HAPPY to se my alpha back in business. It has been
unusable almost most of the year 2006 !

Joni

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 On 09/01/2007 23:06:25, Geoff Martin wrote:
 Reporting FULL WORKING AGAIN on my LX164, with Matrox Millennium II
 Graphics.
 Thanks Steve!

 Geoff Martin
 
 Hello guys
 
 I also could tell that Xorg is fully working on Alpha PWS with Matrox
 G450 PCI.
 Nicely, it is the first time I see DRI working on Matrox PCI cards!
 
 It is time for a benchmark test with Matrox G450 PCI 32MB SDR and Voodoo
 5/5500 PCI 64MB!
 Which software could I use to test?
 
 bye!
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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 09:34:18PM +0200, Joni Bäcklund wrote:
 How can you install the new Xorg packages.. I still see the broken
 ones at ftp.fi.debian.org

 They will be on the servers soon so that I can just do apt-get update ?

They've been on the servers for two days now.  If your system is configured
for unstable, they should already be available unless your mirror has sync
problems.

If you're running testing, you'll have to wait another two days for the
packages to be included there.

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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-09 Thread Mike Campbell

On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 08:45:46PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
 Hi folks,
 
 I'm happy to report that after quite a bit of hunting, bug #392500 is fixed
 in xorg-server 2:1.1.1-14 in incoming.  That means we finally have an X
 server newer than Xorg 6.9 which works on alpha.  One RC bug down... :)
 
 Please test if this version of xserver-xorg-core fixes any problems you
 might have been having with X on alphas (specifically, ev56 and above).  The
 bug that was identified was pervasive enough that it potentially explains
 any number of failures with drivers of all sorts, but there may be other
 latent bugs that were obscured by the fact that the X server as a whole was
 broken. :)  If you are still seeing other breakage with X on alpha, you will
 need to report these bugs soon for there to be any chance of fixing them for
 etch.
 
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Thank you Steve!  X is once again working on my dp264 with a radeon 9100!
With this fix, and finally moving to nptl, I'm starting to feel a little better 
about the state of Debian-Alpha.

Thanks again,
Mike


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Re: Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-08 Thread Bob Tracy
Steve Langasek wrote:
 I'm happy to report that after quite a bit of hunting, bug #392500 is fixed
 in xorg-server 2:1.1.1-14 in incoming.  That means we finally have an X
 server newer than Xorg 6.9 which works on alpha.  One RC bug down... :)

I'm taking advantage of the above as an excuse to upgrade other related
packages with later versions in testing.  Ran into an odd problem with
the xorg_7.1.0-9_all.deb package: it won't configure due to a
dependency on sparc-utils | not+sparc.  Clearly, the latter choice is
correct on Alpha, but how is this dependency satisfied?

Thanks!

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Xorg 7 fixed on alpha

2007-01-07 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi folks,

I'm happy to report that after quite a bit of hunting, bug #392500 is fixed
in xorg-server 2:1.1.1-14 in incoming.  That means we finally have an X
server newer than Xorg 6.9 which works on alpha.  One RC bug down... :)

Please test if this version of xserver-xorg-core fixes any problems you
might have been having with X on alphas (specifically, ev56 and above).  The
bug that was identified was pervasive enough that it potentially explains
any number of failures with drivers of all sorts, but there may be other
latent bugs that were obscured by the fact that the X server as a whole was
broken. :)  If you are still seeing other breakage with X on alpha, you will
need to report these bugs soon for there to be any chance of fixing them for
etch.

Thanks,
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Debian Developer   to set it on, and I can move the world.
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