Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?

[Andreas Bittner]

jftr:
pci, pci-x and pcie

Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2004-10-23 21:03:40, schrieb In The Night:
> Some snippet from another news-site:
> The New PCI bus; PCI Express
> 
> One of the biggest changes to the PC this year will be the introduction of a 
> new PC bus called PCI Express (PCIX). PCIX will replace the current PCI bus 
> that has a speed of 133 Mb/s, with a new bus that has speeds that start at 
> 250 Mb/s and can scale to over 1000 Mb/s.
> PCIX will also replace the Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP). So new graphics 
> cards will no longer have to fit in only one slot.
> Motherboards with the PCIX bus should start appearing this Summer, so new 
> graphics cards that use the PCIX bus should start appearing shortly 
> thereafter. Makes you wonder if we'll see new PCIX motherboards with AGP 
> slots for those that want to keep using their AGP cards.
> 
> If they're not totally wrong, then:
> PCI-X = PCI Express

???

My MSI-Mainboard K8D Master 3 has 3 PCI-X slots, this is NOT "PCI Express"

They have the same form like the 32/33 PCI slots but only longer

PCI-X   =   64 Bit 33/66/100/133 MHz

On my MSI I have tow white and one gree PCX-X slot, which are 64Bit and 
33/66 for the white and 33/66/100/133 for the green one.

The slot for PCI Express is an other form as the PCI/PCI-X

Greetings
Michelle

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Howto install Openoffice.org on Debian amd64 pure64

[David Liontooth]

Summarizing past instructions -- this works as of today:
1. apt-get install ia32-libs-openoffice.org
2. apt-get install libstlport4.6
3. echo "deb http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/openoffice.org ./" >> 
/etc/apt/sources.list
4. apt-get install openoffice.org-debian-files=1.1.2-2+1.0.1
5. download zlib1g_1.2.2-1_i386.deb from a Debian mirror
6. dpkg -X zlib1g_1.2.2-1_i386.deb /emul/ia32-linux
7. ldconfig

If additional libraries are needed, repeat 5-6-7 for each.
Cheers,
Dave

Artsdsp and 32bit applications

[Alan Woodland]

In my quest to run doom3 with working sound on my pure64 box I need to 
use artsdsp. Artsdsp is a simple shell script which sets a few 
enviroment variables, and LD_PRELOAD accordingly, however if I'm running 
a 32bit application it always tries to load /usr/lib/libartsdsp.so.0 
regardless. (I've added all of my chroot lib directories to 
/etc/ld.so.conf so I don't have to have to chroot to the 32bit 
enviroment to run most 32bit applications).

What I've done now is write a little patch for artsdsp which makes it 
attempt to work out where 32bit and 64bit versions of libartsdsp.so 
live, and then look at the application we're going to be running and see 
which one it should use with it.

I've tested this with doom3 on the 32bit side, and confirmed that it all 
works by running 32 and 64 bit versions of glxgears with it. Anyway, 
long story short I thought someone else on this list might be vaugely 
interested in this, or in telling me that theres a much much simpler way 
to solve this problem (yes, I did think of setting LD_PRELOAD manualy 
everytime I want to run a 32bit app, but where's the fun in that?). Also 
I wondered if anyone thought there was much point in submitting this 
patch to bts?

Anyway, I can now play doom 3 in linux on pure64 with sound (no more 
annoying SNDCTL_DSP_SPEED errors), so I'm happy :-)

Alan
--- artsdsp.old	2004-10-23 22:48:43.525872896 +0100
+++ artsdsp	2004-10-23 22:01:36.427657152 +0100
@@ -75,6 +75,50 @@
 esac
 done
 
+
+# AMD64 32/64bit application compatiblitiy Alan Woodland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
+
+#ok firstly we want to work out where our 64 and 32bit artsdsp.so.* libraries are...
+
+ARTS64LIB=""
+ARTS32LIB=""
+
+#so we look everwhere we expect to find libraries
+for libdir in "/usr/lib" "/lib" `cat /etc/ld.so.conf` 
+do
+	#now in each of those directories we look for libartsdsp.*
+	for artslib in `ls $libdir/libartsdsp.so.* 2>/dev/null`
+	do
+		if [ `file -L $artslib | egrep -o "(32|64)-bit" | grep -o "[36][24]"` == "64" ]
+		then
+			ARTS64LIB=$libdir
+		fi
+		
+		if [ `file -L $artslib | egrep -o "(32|64)-bit" | grep -o "[36][24]"` == "32" ]
+		then
+			ARTS32LIB=$libdir
+		fi		
+		
+	done
+done
+
+#work out which libdir to use now
+
+libdir=$ARTS32LIB #default to 32bit lib if we found one
+appbits=`file -L $1 | egrep -o "(32|64)-bit" | grep -o "[36][24]"`
+if [ $appbits == "64" ]
+then
+		libdir=$ARTS64LIB
+fi
+
+if [ ! -d $libdir ]
+then
+	echo "Warning: no libdir selected, resorting to defaults"
+	prefix=/usr
+	exec_prefix=${prefix}
+	libdir=${exec_prefix}/lib
+fi
+
 # echo options if verbose specified
 if test "$verbose" = 1; then
 ARTSDSP_VERBOSE=1
@@ -87,21 +131,25 @@
 else
 echo "threaded:  yes"
 fi
+	 echo "64bit libdir:  $ARTS64LIB"
+	 echo "32bit libdir:  $ARTS32LIB"
+	 echo "Selected dir:  $libdir"
 fi
 
 # setup artsdsp preload to hijack calls made to /dev/dsp
-prefix=/usr
-exec_prefix=${prefix}
-libdir=${exec_prefix}/lib
-
 if test "$single_thread" = 1; then
   LD_PRELOAD=${libdir}/libartsdsp_st.so.0
 else
   LD_PRELOAD=${libdir}/libartsdsp.so.0:${libdir}/libartsc.so.0
 fi
-if test -f /lib/libdl.so.2; then
-  LD_PRELOAD=$LD_PRELOAD:/lib/libdl.so.2
-fi
+
+#if [ `file -L /lib/libdl.so.2 | egrep -o "(32|64)-bit" | grep -o "[36][24]"` == $appbits ] 
+#then
+#	if test -f /lib/libdl.so.2; then
+#	  LD_PRELOAD=$LD_PRELOAD:/lib/libdl.so.2
+#	fi
+#fi
+
 export LD_PRELOAD
 
 # invoke the program with the args given

Working ia32-linux chroot image

[Peter Nelson]

I've been playing around with the /emul/ia32-linux area a bit lately and 
I finally got tired of pulling down library packages debs and extracting 
them into that area manually.  I first used debootstrap to install a 
full system into a chroot there, but realized that's a heck of a lot 
wasted space on unneeded packages.  After a bit of tweaking I've gotten 
what I think is the smallest chroot that will still allow you to use 
apt-get and dpkg.  Since it took me a while to build (debian depends 
don't work when you're removing half the base system) I've decided to 
share it.  You can download a tar.bz with instructions on how to use it 
from my site here:


Any feedback is welcome,
-Peter Nelson

Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?

[Ben Wang]

You are correct.
PCI-X is NOT PCI-Express.
PCI-X is an extention of PCI.
PCI-X is backwards compatible with standard PCI provided the expansion 
card can accomodate both 5v and 3.3v signaling.  This is a parallel "bus".

PCI-Express is a new I/O expansion technology based on a Serial P2P 
connection.  They are not backwards compatible with standard PCI or PCI-X.

Many news sites have never seen a PCI-X slot and automatically use the 
PCI-X name to refer to PCI-Express.  This is incorrect as the PCI-X name 
is already taken.

PCI-X is usually found on 2+ cpu motherboards for expansion purposes 
such as RAID controllers or Gigabit Ethernet controllers or anything 
else that requires more than 133mb/s of bandwidth.  Its only recently 
that they've made a very minimal appearance on uniprocessor motherboards 
in the form of Socket 478 for P4, however not the A64.  The reason for 
this is chipset.

Intel has the 6300ESB southbridge which has both a conventional PCI bus 
and a  PCI-X 64-bit 66mhz bus.  You can pair this southbridge up with 
the i875p for a great workstation board.  On the A64 front, its either 
all desktop or all workstation/server.  There is no uniprocessor A64 
boards with PCI-X.  The only Hypertransport->PCI-X tunnel chipset 
available at the moment is the AMD-8131/8132 which is currently found 
only on large EATX sized dual Opteron motherboards.

Ben
Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, In The Night wrote:
Some snippet from another news-site:
The New PCI bus; PCI Express
One of the biggest changes to the PC this year will be the 
introduction of a new PC bus called PCI Express (PCIX). PCIX will 
replace the current PCI bus that has a speed of 133 Mb/s, with a new 
bus that has speeds that start at 250 Mb/s and can scale to over 1000 
Mb/s. PCIX will also replace the Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP). So 
new graphics cards will no longer have to fit in only one slot. 
Motherboards with the PCIX bus should start appearing this Summer, so 
new graphics cards that use the PCIX bus should start appearing 
shortly thereafter. Makes you wonder if we'll see new PCIX 
motherboards with AGP slots for those that want to keep using their 
AGP cards.

If they're not totally wrong, then:
PCI-X = PCI Express

Well, they are totally wrong.
PCI-X is basically a 64-bit pci bus commonly clocked at 100 or 133MHz. 
PCI Express totally different, based on a high-speed serial line 
protocol.

I do manage a bunch of computers with PCI-X and I have seen PCI 
Express slots in person. They are very different.

/Mattias Wadenstein
Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
In The Night wrote:
Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

There won't be any A64 boards with more than PCI 32-bit 33mhz.

Wrong.
Snip from ananova:
VIA just launched their first reference boards using PCI Express on 
the
Athlon 64. Later this month, we also expect new Athlon 64 chipsets 
from
others that will add PCI Express capabilities to the Socket 939 
platform.
While these new chipsets could migrate later to Socket 754 
single-channel,
the new chipsets will launch with Socket 939.
This will further push the 754 to the value side of the Athlon 64 
line.



I am referring to PCI and its derivatives (64-bit PCI, PCI-X, etc).  By
more, I am referring to one of those derivatives and not PCI-Express.
There is no doubt PCI-Express (which is not what is required here) will
be available soon on the AMD platform.
Ben

This is a chipset limitation as all current chipsets only support PCI
32-bit 33mhz.  I have never seen a 32-bit 66mhz slot (doesn't mean it
doesn't exist but highly unlikely on the A64 platform), most of the
66mhz devices are connected to 64-bit slots.
Look for motherboards with the AMD-8131/8132 chipset but you'll most
likely find them only on dual Opteron boards in EATX form factor.
Ben
Michelle Konzack wrote:

Am 2004-10-22 17:38:02, schrieb Kyuu Eturautti:


I haven't tried network cards, but I have some Adaptec 29160 
64-bit SCSI
controllers in 32 bit slots and I haven't run into any problems on
Athlon
64 or other systems with only PCI-32/33 slots.



I know, but I need 64-Bit CPU and speed on network.
I have checked more then 30 AMD-64 mainboards but they have only
PCI-32/33 and not PCI-32/66.
If I can find an AMD-64 mainboard with minimum one 66MHz PCI slot
it will me help too.
Greetings
Michelle


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Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?

[Mattias Wadenstein]

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, In The Night wrote:
Some snippet from another news-site:
The New PCI bus; PCI Express
One of the biggest changes to the PC this year will be the introduction 
of a new PC bus called PCI Express (PCIX). PCIX will replace the current 
PCI bus that has a speed of 133 Mb/s, with a new bus that has speeds 
that start at 250 Mb/s and can scale to over 1000 Mb/s. PCIX will also 
replace the Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP). So new graphics cards will 
no longer have to fit in only one slot. Motherboards with the PCIX bus 
should start appearing this Summer, so new graphics cards that use the 
PCIX bus should start appearing shortly thereafter. Makes you wonder if 
we'll see new PCIX motherboards with AGP slots for those that want to 
keep using their AGP cards.

If they're not totally wrong, then:
PCI-X = PCI Express
Well, they are totally wrong.
PCI-X is basically a 64-bit pci bus commonly clocked at 100 or 133MHz. PCI 
Express totally different, based on a high-speed serial line protocol.

I do manage a bunch of computers with PCI-X and I have seen PCI Express 
slots in person. They are very different.

/Mattias Wadenstein
Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
In The Night wrote:
Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

There won't be any A64 boards with more than PCI 32-bit 33mhz.

Wrong.
Snip from ananova:
VIA just launched their first reference boards using PCI Express on the
Athlon 64. Later this month, we also expect new Athlon 64 chipsets from
others that will add PCI Express capabilities to the Socket 939 platform.
While these new chipsets could migrate later to Socket 754 single-channel,
the new chipsets will launch with Socket 939.
This will further push the 754 to the value side of the Athlon 64 line.


I am referring to PCI and its derivatives (64-bit PCI, PCI-X, etc).  By
more, I am referring to one of those derivatives and not PCI-Express.
There is no doubt PCI-Express (which is not what is required here) will
be available soon on the AMD platform.
Ben

This is a chipset limitation as all current chipsets only support PCI
32-bit 33mhz.  I have never seen a 32-bit 66mhz slot (doesn't mean it
doesn't exist but highly unlikely on the A64 platform), most of the
66mhz devices are connected to 64-bit slots.
Look for motherboards with the AMD-8131/8132 chipset but you'll most
likely find them only on dual Opteron boards in EATX form factor.
Ben
Michelle Konzack wrote:

Am 2004-10-22 17:38:02, schrieb Kyuu Eturautti:


I haven't tried network cards, but I have some Adaptec 29160 64-bit SCSI
controllers in 32 bit slots and I haven't run into any problems on
Athlon
64 or other systems with only PCI-32/33 slots.


I know, but I need 64-Bit CPU and speed on network.
I have checked more then 30 AMD-64 mainboards but they have only
PCI-32/33 and not PCI-32/66.
If I can find an AMD-64 mainboard with minimum one 66MHz PCI slot
it will me help too.
Greetings
Michelle


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Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?

[In The Night]

Some snippet from another news-site:
The New PCI bus; PCI Express

One of the biggest changes to the PC this year will be the introduction of a 
new PC bus called PCI Express (PCIX). PCIX will replace the current PCI bus 
that has a speed of 133 Mb/s, with a new bus that has speeds that start at 250 
Mb/s and can scale to over 1000 Mb/s.
PCIX will also replace the Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP). So new graphics 
cards will no longer have to fit in only one slot.
Motherboards with the PCIX bus should start appearing this Summer, so new 
graphics cards that use the PCIX bus should start appearing shortly thereafter. 
Makes you wonder if we'll see new PCIX motherboards with AGP slots for those 
that want to keep using their AGP cards.

If they're not totally wrong, then:
PCI-X = PCI Express


Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> In The Night wrote:
> 
> >Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > 
> >
> >>There won't be any A64 boards with more than PCI 32-bit 33mhz.
> >>   
> >>
> >Wrong.
> >
> >
> >Snip from ananova:
> >
> >VIA just launched their first reference boards using PCI Express on the 
> >Athlon 64. Later this month, we also expect new Athlon 64 chipsets from 
> >others that will add PCI Express capabilities to the Socket 939 platform. 
> >While these new chipsets could migrate later to Socket 754 single-channel, 
> >the new chipsets will launch with Socket 939. 
> >This will further push the 754 to the value side of the Athlon 64 line.
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> I am referring to PCI and its derivatives (64-bit PCI, PCI-X, etc).  By 
> more, I am referring to one of those derivatives and not PCI-Express.  
> There is no doubt PCI-Express (which is not what is required here) will 
> be available soon on the AMD platform.
> 
> Ben
> 
> > 
> >
> >>This is a chipset limitation as all current chipsets only support PCI 
> >>32-bit 33mhz.  I have never seen a 32-bit 66mhz slot (doesn't mean it 
> >>doesn't exist but highly unlikely on the A64 platform), most of the 
> >>66mhz devices are connected to 64-bit slots.
> >>
> >>Look for motherboards with the AMD-8131/8132 chipset but you'll most 
> >>likely find them only on dual Opteron boards in EATX form factor.
> >>
> >>Ben
> >>
> >>
> >>Michelle Konzack wrote:
> >>
> >>   
> >>
> >>>Am 2004-10-22 17:38:02, schrieb Kyuu Eturautti:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> I haven't tried network cards, but I have some Adaptec 29160 64-bit SCSI
> controllers in 32 bit slots and I haven't run into any problems on 
> Athlon
> 64 or other systems with only PCI-32/33 slots.
>  
> 
>    
> 
> >>>I know, but I need 64-Bit CPU and speed on network. 
> >>>
> >>>I have checked more then 30 AMD-64 mainboards but they have only
> >>>PCI-32/33 and not PCI-32/66.
> >>>
> >>>If I can find an AMD-64 mainboard with minimum one 66MHz PCI slot
> >>>it will me help too.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Greetings
> >>>Michelle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
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Re: Speaker beep...

[Sebastian Steinlechner]

On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 18:04, Michael Vang wrote:
> Ever since I switched to pure64, the speaker beep does not work... I 
> don't enable the sound on my motherboard (K8V) so I rely on the speaker 
> beep for some things...
> 
> It appears that the kernel is configured properly:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ cat /boot/config-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8 | grep SPKR
> CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m

Yup, speaker as a module... do a modprobe pcspkr (I think that's what
it's called) and it should work.

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Speaker beep...

[Michael Vang]

Ever since I switched to pure64, the speaker beep does not work... I 
don't enable the sound on my motherboard (K8V) so I rely on the speaker 
beep for some things...

It appears that the kernel is configured properly:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/$ cat /boot/config-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8 | grep SPKR
CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m
Mike (Xyzzy)

Re: K8S Pro (S2882UG3NR) + Sil 3114 (Raid 1) + Sarge

[Nils Valentin]

Hi Lennart,

just read your reply once more. Just for the records: Iam looking for hardware 
raid. I already ahev Suse Linux up and running and actually just want debian 
to be able to access the drives the same way (after the reboot). That is 
(without the hardware raid) basically a typical dual boot setup.

Shouldnt there be a Driver for the Sil3114 Controller ? I know that Tyan makes 
the drivers for Suse and Redhat. I was hoping that perhaps a nice driver 
developer is reading this and spend a few hours of devoted motivation to get 
this done ;-)

Best regards

Nils Valentin

On Saturday 23 October 2004 01:47, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 12:36:05AM +0900, Nils Valentin wrote:
> > I am trying to setup a Opteron box. I am having a hard time to setup Raid
> > 1 on the sata drives connected to the sil3114 controller.
> >
> > The same system works under Suse Linux 9.0 perfectly fine. Now I try to
> > make it a dual boot machine and get Debian on the box as well. I am using
> > the Debian netinstall image (sid-amd64-netinst.iso) The Debian Installer
> > seems to be fine until I get to the point harddisk configuration were it
> > sees only the 2 sata drives separately.
> >
> > That should basically tell me that the sil3114 driver is either not
> > included or not working the way I expect it to be.
> >
> > Does anybody have any ideas ?
> > Feel free to leave your rant ;-)
>
> Last I looked at it I thought the proprietary software raid driver for
> the 3114 was binary only and hence only available for certain kernels
> and certainly not 64bit.  Do I remember wrong?
>
> Besides why do you want proprietary software raid when you could use
> open standard linux md software raid (which is faster too in general).
>
> Lennart Sorensen

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Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?

[Nils Valentin]

I am not sure if this is of help, but how about Athlon MP ?

Best regards

Nils Valentin

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Specifications: 
CPU Support: Dual AMD? Athlon? MP 
FSB: 200MHz and 266MHz 
Chipset: AMD-760? MPX chipset, AMD-762? north bridge and AMD-768? south 
bridge, Winbond? W83627HF Super I/O ASIC 
RAM: Four 2.5v 184-pin DDR DIMM sockets,Supports up to 4GB* of PC2100 Regist. 
DDR RAM, Supports ECC (72-bit) modules 
HardDrives: 2 x ATA-100/66/33 
Slots: 1xAGP Pro 110 (4x/2x), Two 64-bit 66MHz* (3.3V) and three 32-bit 33MHz 
(5V) PCI slots (6 total slots) 
Ports: 1xFD(supports upto 2 drives), 2xSerial ports, 1xParallel, 2xPS/2, 2xUSB 
Onboard Lan: Intel 82545EM/82551QM 10/100/1000Mbps (64-bit 66MHz/(32-bit 
33MHz) 

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On Saturday 23 October 2004 03:52, Kyle Rose wrote:
> > Do you have seen the prices for Dual-Opteron mainboards ?
> > It is the half of my Computer... :-(
> >
> > Better I find an AMD-64 with PCI-32/66
>
> It's not clear to me that a normal Athlon64 *can* support a 66 MHz PCI
> bus: that may be a feature limited to Opterons and FX's.
>
> Cheers,
> Kyle

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Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?

[Ben Wang]

In The Night wrote:
Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 

There won't be any A64 boards with more than PCI 32-bit 33mhz.
   

Wrong.
Snip from ananova:
VIA just launched their first reference boards using PCI Express on the Athlon 64. 
Later this month, we also expect new Athlon 64 chipsets from others that will add PCI Express 
capabilities to the Socket 939 platform. 
While these new chipsets could migrate later to Socket 754 single-channel, 
the new chipsets will launch with Socket 939. 
This will further push the 754 to the value side of the Athlon 64 line.

 

I am referring to PCI and its derivatives (64-bit PCI, PCI-X, etc).  By 
more, I am referring to one of those derivatives and not PCI-Express.  
There is no doubt PCI-Express (which is not what is required here) will 
be available soon on the AMD platform.

Ben
 

This is a chipset limitation as all current chipsets only support PCI 
32-bit 33mhz.  I have never seen a 32-bit 66mhz slot (doesn't mean it 
doesn't exist but highly unlikely on the A64 platform), most of the 
66mhz devices are connected to 64-bit slots.

Look for motherboards with the AMD-8131/8132 chipset but you'll most 
likely find them only on dual Opteron boards in EATX form factor.

Ben
Michelle Konzack wrote:
   

Am 2004-10-22 17:38:02, schrieb Kyuu Eturautti:

 

I haven't tried network cards, but I have some Adaptec 29160 64-bit SCSI
controllers in 32 bit slots and I haven't run into any problems on Athlon
64 or other systems with only PCI-32/33 slots.
 

   

I know, but I need 64-Bit CPU and speed on network. 

I have checked more then 30 AMD-64 mainboards but they have only
PCI-32/33 and not PCI-32/66.
If I can find an AMD-64 mainboard with minimum one 66MHz PCI slot
it will me help too.
Greetings
Michelle

 

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Re: Matrox P650 and Athlon 64

[Thomas J. Zeeman]

Hi,

> So, I conclude that waiting some time before actually trying to install
> 64bit on my machine is a good idea?
>
>  What do you think, can I expect support for my graphic-card provided by a
> 64bit-X-Server at some time in the future, as some of the older
> Matrox-cards are supported in 32 bit?

If you can afford to wait for more than 12 months or even longer before
Matrox finally decides to publish a working amd64-enabled driver, then I
would say it is a good idea.
For me it was not. I wanted to be able to have a working machine with X.
I checked which manufacturer did more than pay lip-service and ended up
with a list containing only nVidia.

Also, don't hold your breath for OSS drivers. The existing ones are for a
completely different GPU-architecture (the G-series) for which they
published enough documentation to get OSS drivers to be created.
The new Parhelia-chip is 'classified' and I do not think they want to
disclose any documentation even if you are willing to sign NDAs.

regards,
Thomas

Re: K8S Pro (S2882UG3NR) + Sil 3114 (Raid 1) + Sarge

[Paolo Alexis Falcone]

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:03:06 +0900, Nils Valentin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Lemmart,
> 
> of course I want to use an open source driver if available (sorry if I didnt
> mention that)
> 
> Which one do you suggest ?
> Does it come with debian ?

the sil3114 is proprietary software raid - the one that ships in the
kernel (libata) is of beta-level quality. You're better off using
linux software raid, or if your budget allows it, invest in a true
hardware raid solution.
-- 
Paolo Alexis Falcone
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