Re: Mainboard Report: Octuple AMD Opteron (2x Iwill QK8S)
Hi Valentin, (B (BThat "connector" only works with the Iwill QK8S. Tyan's S4882 does not (Bhave any external HT connectors. (B (BAlso, you can buy the Tyan board separately but you cannot buy the Iwill (Bone, it only comes in barebones form unless you're prepared to buy 100+ (Bunits in one hit :) (B (BCheers, (BBen (B (BBen Wang (BSenior Applications Engineer (BSynrax Australia Pty. Ltd. (BPhone: +61 7 3217 7522 (BFax: +61 7 3217 7097 (BWebsite: http://www.synrax.com/ (B (B (B (B (B[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (B (B>Hello Heiner, (B> (B>Thanks for sharing this with us. That stuff is pretty new [max 3 months] (B>(I havent seen it yet). (B> (B>Does this HTX-Pro bridge thing work specifically with Iwill MBs or are you (B>aware of similar solutions for other makers f.e Tyans S4882 ? (B> (B>I am very interested to hear a bit more about this, also offline would be (B>fine to keep the list clean - not sure if anybody is interested ;-) (B> (B>May I ask what you use such a beast for ;-) ?? (B> (B>Best regards (B> (B>Nils Valentin (B>Tokyo / Japan (B> (B>http://www.be-known-online.com (B> (B> (B> (B>>Ok, here is something for entertainment: (B>> (B>>We installed a new 8-way Opteron system TurboRACK A6810-R5 (B>>(based on Iwill H8501) with Debian Pure64, kernel 2.6.10 vanilla. (B>> (B>>The installation with the latest Netinst-ISO works smooth, (B>>but we had to update the kernel to 2.6.10 because of wrong SMP (B>>initialization with kernels older than 2.6.10 on this machine (perhaps a (B>>little BIOS bug, too). (B>> (B>>Besides that, it runs smooth and very fast :-). (B>> (B>>Technical Specifications: (B>> - Rackmount chassis 5U (B>> - 1300 Watt redundant P/S (3+1) (B>> - 2x Quad-mainboard Iwill QK8S, connected thru HTX-Pro bridge (B>> - 8x CPU AMD Opteron 850 (B>> - 32x 2GB DDR400 ECC reg. (total of 64GB memory) (B>> - 4x Gbit LAN (Intel Pro/1000, driver "e1000") (B>> - additional LSI SCSI controller (driver "mptscsih") with Fujitsu (B>>drives (15krpm) (B>> (B>>Regards, (B>> Heiner Mudersbach (B>> (B>> (B>> (B> (B> (B> (B> (B (B (B-- (BTo UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bwith a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mainboard Report: Octuple AMD Opteron (2x Iwill QK8S)
Hello Heiner, (B (BThanks for sharing this with us. That stuff is pretty new [max 3 months] (B(I havent seen it yet). (B (BDoes this HTX-Pro bridge thing work specifically with Iwill MBs or are you (Baware of similar solutions for other makers f.e Tyans S4882 ? (B (BI am very interested to hear a bit more about this, also offline would be (Bfine to keep the list clean - not sure if anybody is interested ;-) (B (BMay I ask what you use such a beast for ;-) ?? (B (BBest regards (B (BNils Valentin (BTokyo / Japan (B (Bhttp://www.be-known-online.com (B (B> Ok, here is something for entertainment: (B> (B> We installed a new 8-way Opteron system TurboRACK A6810-R5 (B> (based on Iwill H8501) with Debian Pure64, kernel 2.6.10 vanilla. (B> (B> The installation with the latest Netinst-ISO works smooth, (B> but we had to update the kernel to 2.6.10 because of wrong SMP (B> initialization with kernels older than 2.6.10 on this machine (perhaps a (B> little BIOS bug, too). (B> (B> Besides that, it runs smooth and very fast :-). (B> (B> Technical Specifications: (B> - Rackmount chassis 5U (B> - 1300 Watt redundant P/S (3+1) (B> - 2x Quad-mainboard Iwill QK8S, connected thru HTX-Pro bridge (B> - 8x CPU AMD Opteron 850 (B> - 32x 2GB DDR400 ECC reg. (total of 64GB memory) (B> - 4x Gbit LAN (Intel Pro/1000, driver "e1000") (B> - additional LSI SCSI controller (driver "mptscsih") with Fujitsu (B> drives (15krpm) (B> (B> Regards, (B> Heiner Mudersbach (B> (B (B (B-- (BTo UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bwith a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Building a RAID system
Hello all, I'm new to the raid thing in linux (and fairly new to linux also). My router for the last year or so has been a old PIII 600MHz running slackware... Anyway, after doing some research I decided to build a home-theater PC using an Athlon 64 3200+ with pure64 as a base. I purchased an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (939pin deal) and I've got it currently installing (about 12% now), man it's slow. Getting to my point, I want to run a RAID1 (mirrored) array on my two SATA 250GB drives... I turned raid on in the bios for the two channels that I have the hard drives hooked up to but when I got to the partitioning section of the installation I was confused. The only way I could figure out how to get the raid going was to use the "software raid" function in the partition menu. Here's what I did, let me know if you see anything wrong with it. 1. Initialized the disks with a single partition, the size of the drive 2. Made the partition types on both drives "for linux RAID" option 3. Then iniatilized a multi-disk RAID1 array on the two partitions I set up for RAID 4. On the new RAID1 partition I created the root partition (/) Then finished and it's installing now... (about 15%, yay). Was I correct in setting this up as a software raid? Does the Nvidia chipset thingie take care of the raid or is it supposed to be a software thing? Could someone learn me the ways of raid? Thanks for all your help! -Greg P.S. Sheesh, this install is taking a while, I'm at 1.5Mbit and it looks like it's gonna be a few hours for the download/install... is that about par? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netinstall fails to detect SATA disk.
> > I don't know why it is not working with this debian-installer. It seems > > to me that the modules sata_nv and libata are loaded, but maybe I need > > others? > A bug in kernel 2.6.[789] prevent disk from responding if attached to > the nforce SATA port. You've been bitten by this bug. > Symptoms are : quering the SATA port finds something, but the query of > the diks times out. > > 2.6.10 works ok. I'm typing this on a Shuttle SN95G5 running 2.6.8 with (only) an SATA hard drive. I don't believe I did anything special - the SATA just worked... (I used the sid-amd64-netinst.iso image.) Let me know if there's any other info I can provide that would be of help. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://the-martins.org/~dmartin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still confused about pure64 package changelogs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I guess he wants to know before installing the package. Synaptic has the feature he wants but, as he said, sometimes it takes a while (hours, days?) until some changelogs are updated. However, it usually works great and it was something many of us were hoping would be added to Debian. Scott Ransom wrote: | Have you ever used apt-listchanges? Sound like just what you | are looking for. | | Scott | | Package: apt-listchanges | Version: 2.57 | Priority: optional | Section: utils | Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Depends: python (>= 2.3), apt (>= 0.5.3), python-apt, debconf, | ucf (>= 0.28), debianutils (>= 2.0.2) | Suggests: x-terminal-emulator, www-browser | Architecture: all | Filename: | pool/unstable/main/amd64/a/apt-listchanges/apt-listchanges_2.57_all.deb | Size: 47688 | MD5sum: a45613f74fe271afb4e6e8f10e09627e | Description: Display change history from .deb archives | apt-listchanges is a tool to show what has been changed in a | new version of a Debian package, as compared to the version | currently installed on the system. It does this by extracting | the relevant entries from the Debian changelog file, and the | NEWS.Debian file. . It can be run on several .deb archives at | a time to get a list of all of the changes that would be | effected by installing or upgrading a group of packages. It | can be configured to do this automatically during upgrades | using apt. | installed-size: 336 | | | | On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 04:04:14PM -0800, Larry Doolittle wrote: | |>Let me assure everyone before I start that I'm really happy with |>debain pure64. Fast and solid. |> |>Most of the time, when I see a package ready to download with |>apt-get upgrade, I can go to packages.debian.org, and find out |>what changed and why. Every now and then, that doesn't work. |> |>Today, for instance, I see netbase is ready to upgrade, from |>version 4.19 to version 4.20. The trouble is, looking at |>packages.debian.org, the changelog only goes up to 4.19. |>Now, netbase is kind of an important package, and I'd like |>a way to read about the changes before I load it up. |> |>Another particular example is kernel-image-2.6.10-9-amd64-k8, |>which doesn't even show up on packages.debian.org. |>In that case, I downloaded the source package, and buried in |>there I did indeed find a changelog that appeared up-to-date |>(although with a typo in it). |> |>Do these changelogs appear on the net anywhere, in a way |>such that I can avoid downloading the source every time? |>This isn't Gentoo! |> |> - Larry | | | | - -- Javier Kohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: blashyrkh #2361802 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB/uZw823633cP2P8RAoaqAJ9kktLFWU/0ku1ntSY6GzAJSsqNbACfdE+z Qaa6qT0RUNRyn6d8tX9rf9U= =BL6w -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still confused about pure64 package changelogs
Have you ever used apt-listchanges? Sound like just what you are looking for. Scott Package: apt-listchanges Version: 2.57 Priority: optional Section: utils Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Depends: python (>= 2.3), apt (>= 0.5.3), python-apt, debconf, ucf (>= 0.28), debianutils (>= 2.0.2) Suggests: x-terminal-emulator, www-browser Architecture: all Filename: pool/unstable/main/amd64/a/apt-listchanges/apt-listchanges_2.57_all.deb Size: 47688 MD5sum: a45613f74fe271afb4e6e8f10e09627e Description: Display change history from .deb archives apt-listchanges is a tool to show what has been changed in a new version of a Debian package, as compared to the version currently installed on the system. It does this by extracting the relevant entries from the Debian changelog file, and the NEWS.Debian file. . It can be run on several .deb archives at a time to get a list of all of the changes that would be effected by installing or upgrading a group of packages. It can be configured to do this automatically during upgrades using apt. installed-size: 336 On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 04:04:14PM -0800, Larry Doolittle wrote: > Let me assure everyone before I start that I'm really happy with > debain pure64. Fast and solid. > > Most of the time, when I see a package ready to download with > apt-get upgrade, I can go to packages.debian.org, and find out > what changed and why. Every now and then, that doesn't work. > > Today, for instance, I see netbase is ready to upgrade, from > version 4.19 to version 4.20. The trouble is, looking at > packages.debian.org, the changelog only goes up to 4.19. > Now, netbase is kind of an important package, and I'd like > a way to read about the changes before I load it up. > > Another particular example is kernel-image-2.6.10-9-amd64-k8, > which doesn't even show up on packages.debian.org. > In that case, I downloaded the source package, and buried in > there I did indeed find a changelog that appeared up-to-date > (although with a typo in it). > > Do these changelogs appear on the net anywhere, in a way > such that I can avoid downloading the source every time? > This isn't Gentoo! > > - Larry -- -- Scott M. RansomAddress: NRAO Phone: (434) 296-0320 520 Edgemont Rd. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charlottesville, VA 22903 USA GPG Fingerprint: 06A9 9553 78BE 16DB 407B FFCA 9BFA B6FF FFD3 2989 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netinstall problem
Le mardi 01 février 2005 à 08:33 +0100, Philippe a écrit : > hi > > Is it me or the sid-amd64-netinst.iso is broken ? > i think the kernel can't found any ethernet modules because the kernel > is 2.6.8-10 and modules version 2.6.8-9 hum i made a mistake kernel is 2.6.9-9 and modules 2.6.9-10 DI says it can't find modules > is there a working netinstall somewhere ? > maybe the one from 2004 10 26 is ok ? > > thank for your help > > > -- > Philippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- Philippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cross-compiling kernels
Alle 20:13, lunedì 31 gennaio 2005, hai scritto: > Marco Amadori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hi all , > > I would like to compile kernels and modules with make-kpkg on my athlon64 > > box. I missed to tell that I would like to compile it for i386, on a pure64 system. > > I need to just pass the right --arch options to make-kpkg or should I > > install and configure other pieces of software? > Read the kernel-image-amd64 source. It's more complex. > > MfG > Goswin Anyway, I did not understood your reply. -- Marco Amadori :wq
Mainboard Report: Octuple AMD Opteron (2x Iwill QK8S)
Ok, here is something for entertainment: We installed a new 8-way Opteron system TurboRACK A6810-R5 (based on Iwill H8501) with Debian Pure64, kernel 2.6.10 vanilla. The installation with the latest Netinst-ISO works smooth, but we had to update the kernel to 2.6.10 because of wrong SMP initialization with kernels older than 2.6.10 on this machine (perhaps a little BIOS bug, too). Besides that, it runs smooth and very fast :-). Technical Specifications: - Rackmount chassis 5U - 1300 Watt redundant P/S (3+1) - 2x Quad-mainboard Iwill QK8S, connected thru HTX-Pro bridge - 8x CPU AMD Opteron 850 - 32x 2GB DDR400 ECC reg. (total of 64GB memory) - 4x Gbit LAN (Intel Pro/1000, driver "e1000") - additional LSI SCSI controller (driver "mptscsih") with Fujitsu drives (15krpm) Regards, Heiner Mudersbach signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Still confused about pure64 package changelogs
Let me assure everyone before I start that I'm really happy with debain pure64. Fast and solid. Most of the time, when I see a package ready to download with apt-get upgrade, I can go to packages.debian.org, and find out what changed and why. Every now and then, that doesn't work. Today, for instance, I see netbase is ready to upgrade, from version 4.19 to version 4.20. The trouble is, looking at packages.debian.org, the changelog only goes up to 4.19. Now, netbase is kind of an important package, and I'd like a way to read about the changes before I load it up. Another particular example is kernel-image-2.6.10-9-amd64-k8, which doesn't even show up on packages.debian.org. In that case, I downloaded the source package, and buried in there I did indeed find a changelog that appeared up-to-date (although with a typo in it). Do these changelogs appear on the net anywhere, in a way such that I can avoid downloading the source every time? This isn't Gentoo! - Larry signature.asc Description: Digital signature
netinstall problem
hi Is it me or the sid-amd64-netinst.iso is broken ? i think the kernel can't found any ethernet modules because the kernel is 2.6.8-10 and modules version 2.6.8-9 is there a working netinstall somewhere ? maybe the one from 2004 10 26 is ok ? thank for your help -- Philippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netinstall fails to detect SATA disk.
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 11:50:51PM +0100, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: > Hi, > > My Shuttle SN95G5 is equipped with integrated SATA controllers, > (nvidia), and I have my HD attached to the primary one of these. > During installation from > >ftp://ftp.caliu.info/pub/distribucions/debian-amd64/install-images/ \ >sarge-amd64-netinst.iso > >(image is dated Jan. 16 2005) > > I get to the point where I am asked to partition my disk and I would > gladly do so, but the installer reports that it could not find a disk, > so goodbye to me then. > > I have googled around to see if I could find anything about it and I > got a sinking feeling that perhaps SATA support was not really > working in Linux, because there were many reports about the same but > no apparent answer. Then I fetched the Ubuntu installation CD and in > 10 minutes without a single error I had a full Ubuntu installation on > my HD, very impressive. > > I don't know why it is not working with this debian-installer. It seems > to me that the modules sata_nv and libata are loaded, but maybe I need > others? > A bug in kernel 2.6.[789] prevent disk from responding if attached to the nforce SATA port. You've been bitten by this bug. Symptoms are : quering the SATA port finds something, but the query of the diks times out. 2.6.10 works ok. Seb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Netinstall fails to detect SATA disk.
Hi, My Shuttle SN95G5 is equipped with integrated SATA controllers, (nvidia), and I have my HD attached to the primary one of these. During installation from ftp://ftp.caliu.info/pub/distribucions/debian-amd64/install-images/ \ sarge-amd64-netinst.iso (image is dated Jan. 16 2005) I get to the point where I am asked to partition my disk and I would gladly do so, but the installer reports that it could not find a disk, so goodbye to me then. I have googled around to see if I could find anything about it and I got a sinking feeling that perhaps SATA support was not really working in Linux, because there were many reports about the same but no apparent answer. Then I fetched the Ubuntu installation CD and in 10 minutes without a single error I had a full Ubuntu installation on my HD, very impressive. I don't know why it is not working with this debian-installer. It seems to me that the modules sata_nv and libata are loaded, but maybe I need others? Thanks, Morten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netinstall fails to load sk98lin module.
Andrei Mikhailovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The simpler solution would be to execute modprobe -f sk98lin :-) worked > for me )) Thanks to you and everyone who replied. This solves the network part, indeed. However, I only get to the next step where the installer fails to detect my sata disk (see other post): Thanks, Morten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cross-compiling kernels
Marco Amadori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi all , > I would like to compile kernels and modules with make-kpkg on my athlon64 > box. > > I need to just pass the right --arch options to make-kpkg or should I install > and configure other pieces of software? > > Tnx a lot. > -- > Marco Amadori > :wq Read the kernel-image-amd64 source. It's more complex. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Current mirrors list
good to know, I'll change my sources. On Mon, 2005-31-01 at 17:46 +0100, Adam Lackorzynski wrote: > On Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 00:14:40 +0100, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/pure64 sid main contrib non-free > > deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/pure64 sid main contrib > > non-free > > Just as a note, http will do as well and should probably be prefered. > > > > Adam > -- > Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Lackorzynski http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/~adam/ > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Current mirrors list
On Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 00:14:40 +0100, Frederik Schueler wrote: > deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/pure64 sid main contrib non-free > deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/pure64 sid main contrib non-free Just as a note, http will do as well and should probably be prefered. Adam -- Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lackorzynski http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/~adam/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cross-compiling kernels
Hi all , I would like to compile kernels and modules with make-kpkg on my athlon64 box. I need to just pass the right --arch options to make-kpkg or should I install and configure other pieces of software? Tnx a lot. -- Marco Amadori :wq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netinstall fails to load sk98lin module.
Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote: Le 31.01.2005 12:34:46, Daniel James a écrit : The simpler solution would be to execute modprobe -f sk98lin :-) worked for me )) I didn't think of that - I assumed the module was missing from the installer kernel. If not, I wonder why it didn't load automatically? Missing entry in the hardware detection list, perhaps? BTW it is the same with Ubuntu live CD. I had to open a console and do a modprobe sk98lin and ifconfig of the interface... As it seems they use the same hardware detection, maybe there is something at the hardware detection level. I believe the core of the problem is that the source for sk98lin is missing a MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE declaration. Adding this to the source is a one-line patch: http://oss.sgi.com/archives/netdev/2004-09/msg01444.html This is fixed in the new version of the driver from Syskonnect. Unfortunately, the patch they posted to netdev was too big for inclusion into the kernel. The new rewritten skge driver from Stephen Hemminger has this problem fixed (see netdev archives). Michal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: You can't predict the future - neither for $COMMERCIAL_DISTRIBUTION (God knows what will be in 1 or 2 years with e.g. SuSE) nor for $FREE_DISTRIBUTION (yes there were several which are pretty out-of-business right now). One way to look at the difference is that a free distribution will fail only if it can't grow big enough, whereas a commercial distribution may also "fail" if it succeeds too well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netinstall fails to load sk98lin module.
> My computer, a Shuttle SN95G5, has an ethernet controller with > a Marvell 8001 chipset. This is supported by the sk98lin > module, but when I try to install with this image I'm running on the same hardware FWIW. > ftp://ftp.caliu.info/pub/distribucions/debian-amd64/install-images/ \ > sarge-amd64-netinst.iso > > (image is dated Jan. 16 2005) > > it fails to load the module with these error messages: > > sk98lin: disagrees about version of symbol pc_alloc_consistent > sk98lin: unknown symbol pc_alloc_consistent > sk98lin: disagrees about version of symbol pc_free_consistent > sk98lin: unknown symbol pc_free_consistent Yes, I saw this too. > putting an effective halt to my endeavours. > > Is this a case of the modules not having been compiled to match > the kernel version? > Anyway, I don't know what to do now, other than perhaps wait for > a newer version, unless someone has a suggestion(?) > There is no problem with my hardware otherwise, both the Knoppix > and Ubuntu live-cd's works flawlessly including bringing up my > internet connection. I finished the CD part of the install without ever loading the module. When I rebooted off of the installed kernel image it loaded the module fine. The other problem I had was that I wanted to install xfs and that module did not seem to exist on the install cd. I ended up installing to a temporary partition using ext2, and "tar"ing the root filesystem over to its real xfs home. I also had to symlink /sbin/fsck.xfs to /bin/true temporarily so that the root filesystem would "pass" and then the machine would finish booting. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://the-martins.org/~dmartin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: question
Le lundi 31 janvier 2005 à 11:08 +0100, Lorenzo Milesi a écrit : > > greetings and sorry for a mayhap lame question, but is alioth down ? > > where else could I maybe get an install iso from ? > > yes, scheduled upgrade. > > try http://debian.inode.at > hi do you know where is netinstall in the mirror ? i can't find it (as for doc install ) thanks > or look into the list archive, a mirror list has been posted in the last 2 > days > > -- Philippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 10:13 +, Daniel James wrote: > Hi Tollef, [snip] > > I'm sure that's the case, but the degree of openness is relative - I'd > say the Debian project and Microsoft are the polar opposites here, > with everyone else somewhere in between. I don't think you can run a > business as a democracy, and that's not a criticism of Mark > Shuttleworth. I'm sure if I was funding a Linux distribution out of > my own pocket, I would want to be able to make the key decisions > about it too. You are mixing 2 independant variables: - type of License - type of "government" Think, instead : closed source | democracy +- dictarorship | FLOSS Slackware, RH, Ubutnu are open source dictatorships, Debian, of course, is a FLOSS democracy, and MSFT is a closed-source dictator- ship. Can't think of any closed source democracies, though. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. (N.B. - This is hyperbole, not a heartfelt part of my core beliefs.) Windows sucks. No, really. Any butt-wipe pseudo-OS that *needs* kludges like PC-Anywhere or RDP for remote access, and only allows 1 login at a time shouldn't be allowed to exist, and it's developers should be shot. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 12:47 +, Daniel James wrote: [...] > I agree that's a potential challenge to Debian's democratic structure > if the community process is bypassed whenver it suits the company The Debian structure seems pretty stable and robust - and has probably other problems because of the structure (and I'm quite OT now). > concerned. The rebranding of Debian you describe has been going on > for some time, since the launch of Lindows at least, I'd say. Back in Oh, I didn't know that (being historically a RedHat-User). > the late 90's I remember several thinly-disguised Red Hat rip-offs - > all gone now. Nobody knows knows how much embedded distributions are dead again. Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netinstall fails to load sk98lin module.
Daniel James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi Andrei, > >> The simpler solution would be to execute modprobe -f sk98lin :-) >> worked for me )) > > I didn't think of that - I assumed the module was missing from the > installer kernel. If not, I wonder why it didn't load automatically? > Missing entry in the hardware detection list, perhaps? > > Cheers > > Daniel > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, as the error said it is a version skew. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
Hi Bernd, > You can't predict the future - neither for $COMMERCIAL_DISTRIBUTION > (God knows what will be in 1 or 2 years with e.g. SuSE) nor for > $FREE_DISTRIBUTION (yes there were several which are pretty > out-of-business right now). Quite. > > I really bought the idea that Red Hat was a > > community-oriented company, and at that stage I simply didn't > > forsee > > It was at that time. I think you're right, but it just goes to show how things can change - and why the community structure has to be solid. > Or to pose the question more provoking the other way around: What > happens if some company is selling support contracts to a Debian > fork/clone/copy/... with a completely different brand (but using > more or less the standard .debs with s/Debian/$BRAND/)? I agree that's a potential challenge to Debian's democratic structure if the community process is bypassed whenver it suits the company concerned. The rebranding of Debian you describe has been going on for some time, since the launch of Lindows at least, I'd say. Back in the late 90's I remember several thinly-disguised Red Hat rip-offs - all gone now. Cheers Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Netinstall fails to load sk98lin module.
Le 31.01.2005 12:34:46, Daniel James a écrit : Hi Andrei, The simpler solution would be to execute modprobe -f sk98lin :-) worked for me )) I didn't think of that - I assumed the module was missing from the installer kernel. If not, I wonder why it didn't load automatically? Missing entry in the hardware detection list, perhaps? BTW it is the same with Ubuntu live CD. I had to open a console and do a modprobe sk98lin and ifconfig of the interface... As it seems they use the same hardware detection, maybe there is something at the hardware detection level. Cheers Daniel Regards Jean-Luc pgp0d4vsjUtn3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 10:13 +, Daniel James wrote: [...] > I expect that's the case, but what happens a few years down the line > when there's a fundamental disagreement? When I was a Red Hat 5.0 You can't predict the future - neither for $COMMERCIAL_DISTRIBUTION (God knows what will be in 1 or 2 years with e.g. SuSE) nor for $FREE_DISTRIBUTION (yes there were several which are pretty out-of-business right now). > user last century, I really bought the idea that Red Hat was a > community-oriented company, and at that stage I simply didn't forsee It was at that time. > that the stable distribution would become 'enterprise only' with a > price tag to match. And see we what happens today: They pay several people (initially 6, did't check recently) to work on Fedora. And there is now also http://www.centos.org/ and http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/. Or to pose the question more provoking the other way around: What happens if some company is selling support contracts to a Debian fork/clone/copy/... with a completely different brand (but using more or less the standard .debs with s/Debian/$BRAND/)? Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
* Daniel James | Hi Tollef, | | > | I don't think the development model is as democratic or open as | > | mainstream Debian either. I mean, if you wanted a particular | > | feature in Ubuntu but a certain well-known millionaire and space | > | tourist was dead against it, do you think it would be implemented | > | in his distribution? : ) | > | > We're usually open to ideas | | Just to clarify, when you say 'we' do you mean that you work for | Canonical, or are an Ubuntu project member? Yes. :) I'm doing some work for canonical and the AMD64 Czar in Ubuntu -- responsible for Ubuntu's AMD64 support. | > and you should have _really_ crazy ideas for them to be rejected | > outright. | | I expect that's the case, but what happens a few years down the line | when there's a fundamental disagreement? When I was a Red Hat 5.0 | user last century, I really bought the idea that Red Hat was a | community-oriented company, and at that stage I simply didn't forsee | that the stable distribution would become 'enterprise only' with a | price tag to match. | | I'm not saying that the same thing will happen to Canonical, it's just | an example of what can happen when interests diverge over time. I think this won't happen -- http://lwn.net/Articles/115459/ look at the part about Soyuz and Launchpad. It'll be easy to create derivatives where you can change stuff. (This is the thing I mentioned in the last mail.) -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netinstall fails to load sk98lin module.
Hi Andrei, > The simpler solution would be to execute modprobe -f sk98lin :-) > worked for me )) I didn't think of that - I assumed the module was missing from the installer kernel. If not, I wonder why it didn't load automatically? Missing entry in the hardware detection list, perhaps? Cheers Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netinstall fails to load sk98lin module.
The simpler solution would be to execute modprobe -f sk98lin :-) worked for me )) By the way, I had similar issues with ext3 module not loading. Do the same to fix it On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 10:28 +, Daniel James wrote: > Hi Morten, > > > My computer, a Shuttle SN95G5, has an ethernet controller with > > a Marvell 8001 chipset. This is supported by the sk98lin > > module, but when I try to install with this image > > > > > > ftp://ftp.caliu.info/pub/distribucions/debian-amd64/install-images/ > > \ sarge-amd64-netinst.iso > > > > (image is dated Jan. 16 2005) > > > > it fails to load the module > > I had the same problem with the sid pure64 netinst iso image. The > workaround was to exit base-config, reboot to the installed kernel > (which did have the module) then edit /etc/network/interfaces > and /etc/resolv.conf by hand. Then I did ifup eth0 and tried > base-config again - I was then able to configure apt using one of the > pure64 mirrors. > > I agree this is an unfortunate bug in the installer, as so many amd64 > machines seem to have that ethernet chipset. > > Cheers > > Daniel > > -- Andrei Mikhailovsky Arhont Ltd - Information Security Web: http://www.arhont.com http://www.wi-foo.com Tel: +44 (0)870 4431337 Fax: +44 (0)117 9690141 PGP: Key ID - 0xFF67A4F4 PGP: Server - keyserver.pgp.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Netinstall fails to load sk98lin module.
Hi Morten, > My computer, a Shuttle SN95G5, has an ethernet controller with > a Marvell 8001 chipset. This is supported by the sk98lin > module, but when I try to install with this image > > > ftp://ftp.caliu.info/pub/distribucions/debian-amd64/install-images/ > \ sarge-amd64-netinst.iso > > (image is dated Jan. 16 2005) > > it fails to load the module I had the same problem with the sid pure64 netinst iso image. The workaround was to exit base-config, reboot to the installed kernel (which did have the module) then edit /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf by hand. Then I did ifup eth0 and tried base-config again - I was then able to configure apt using one of the pure64 mirrors. I agree this is an unfortunate bug in the installer, as so many amd64 machines seem to have that ethernet chipset. Cheers Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Netinstall fails to load sk98lin module.
Hi, My computer, a Shuttle SN95G5, has an ethernet controller with a Marvell 8001 chipset. This is supported by the sk98lin module, but when I try to install with this image ftp://ftp.caliu.info/pub/distribucions/debian-amd64/install-images/ \ sarge-amd64-netinst.iso (image is dated Jan. 16 2005) it fails to load the module with these error messages: sk98lin: disagrees about version of symbol pc_alloc_consistent sk98lin: unknown symbol pc_alloc_consistent sk98lin: disagrees about version of symbol pc_free_consistent sk98lin: unknown symbol pc_free_consistent putting an effective halt to my endeavours. Is this a case of the modules not having been compiled to match the kernel version? Anyway, I don't know what to do now, other than perhaps wait for a newer version, unless someone has a suggestion(?) There is no problem with my hardware otherwise, both the Knoppix and Ubuntu live-cd's works flawlessly including bringing up my internet connection. Btw, klogd also segfaults: klogd[243] segfault at 003e rip 002a9568boe rsp \ 007fbfffe2d0 error 6 Should I file a bug report about this against "debian-installer"? Thanks, Morten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
Hi Tollef, > | I don't think the development model is as democratic or open as > | mainstream Debian either. I mean, if you wanted a particular > | feature in Ubuntu but a certain well-known millionaire and space > | tourist was dead against it, do you think it would be implemented > | in his distribution? : ) > > We're usually open to ideas Just to clarify, when you say 'we' do you mean that you work for Canonical, or are an Ubuntu project member? > and you should have _really_ crazy > ideas for them to be rejected outright. I expect that's the case, but what happens a few years down the line when there's a fundamental disagreement? When I was a Red Hat 5.0 user last century, I really bought the idea that Red Hat was a community-oriented company, and at that stage I simply didn't forsee that the stable distribution would become 'enterprise only' with a price tag to match. I'm not saying that the same thing will happen to Canonical, it's just an example of what can happen when interests diverge over time. > (And if so, we are working > on tools which should make it really easy for you to make ubuntu + > your crazy modifications and support that sanely.) That's very interesting - I'll keep an eye on that. > we _are_ an open community who wants people to join and > help out. I'm sure that's the case, but the degree of openness is relative - I'd say the Debian project and Microsoft are the polar opposites here, with everyone else somewhere in between. I don't think you can run a business as a democracy, and that's not a criticism of Mark Shuttleworth. I'm sure if I was funding a Linux distribution out of my own pocket, I would want to be able to make the key decisions about it too. Cheers! Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> greetings and sorry for a mayhap lame question, but is alioth down ? > where else could I maybe get an install iso from ? yes, scheduled upgrade. try http://debian.inode.at or look into the list archive, a mirror list has been posted in the last 2 days -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
Hi Ron, > > I mean, if you wanted a particular > > feature in Ubuntu but a certain well-known millionaire and space > > tourist was dead against it, do you think it would be implemented > > in his distribution? : ) > > It's "his" distro. Paul Volkerding gets to make Slackware like > he wants, Mark Shuttleworth makes it like he wants, Klaus Knopper > makes it like he wants... Absolutely, but I think if we're comparing Ubuntu to mainstream Debian that's something users should be aware of. As I understand it, the Debian structure was set up as it is to avoid individual control over the project. > BTW, how many DDs is Ubutnu employing? I think it's great that people can be paid to work on free software. I do see the potential for conflict of interest though, and I'm sure Canonical will be taking steps to address that. Cheers Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
