Re: Previous packages?

2005-02-10 Thread David Liontooth
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
David Liontooth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 

Is it possible to revert to a previous package in our current
repository system?
The latest etherape (0.9.0-8) has a bug (277703) that makes it
unusable on my i686 and amd64 machines.
On the i686 I can get the previous package from http://snapshot.debian.net
Of course these things typically happen when you need the app the most
-- our network was mysteriously down and I couldn't use the tool I was
familiar with to see what was happening!
Cheers,
Dave
   

If it was a (very) recent upload the old deb will be in
pure64/old/... with the same subdirs as the new one in pure64/pool.
But since alioths disk is nearly full I clean that often.
MfG
   Goswin
 

Thanks, that's very helpful. Does anyone else do this? Goswin seems to 
keep them for just a day or two.

Dave
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Re: Debconf and other outdated packages

2005-02-10 Thread Javier Kohen
Great!
Is it possible that some packages are still missing? For instance the X 
server is -8, whereas pure64 has -10.

When I upgraded pure64 to gcc-3.4 I had to leave the -10 packages 
installed because they have some important fixes. Today I was trying to 
find out why wxwidgets2.5's compilation is failing (see below), but I 
couldn't readily install the -dev packages I need to compile it because 
I don't have the X's -dev packages corresponding to the binaries I've 
installed. Maybe I should also install X's -dev packages from pure64 for 
now.

On a second look to wxwidgets2.5 compilation's log in 
gcc-3.4/buildd-logs it looks like it's downloading the build 
dependencies from pure64, as it's actually fetching the -10-dev X 
packages. Anyway, in case somebody knows before hand about this problem, 
the error message is:
checking for strcasecmp() in string.h... no
checking for strcasecmp() in strings.h... no
configure: error: No case-insensitive string comparison function found.
make: *** [configure-gtk-shared-stamp] Error 1

The log is from Feb, 2nd.
As usual, thanks a lot.
Andreas Jochens wrote:
On 05-Feb-09 21:23, Javier Kohen wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering why some packages which are successfully compiled by 
buildd for gcc-3.4 don't make it to the pool. One particular case is 
debconf 1.4.45, which fixes some awful looking error messages when 
running dpkg. Another is the Is there always manual intervention 
involved in moving the packages to the pool? I'm afraid I don't know how 
Debian works on that level.

Thanks for the report. Usually there is almost no manual intervention
necessary. However, something went wrong with the archive's source 
update and also with the upload of some packages.

I just rebuilt and uploaded quite a few missing package versions.
The debconf version 1.4.45 is now available in the archive.
Regards
Andreas Jochens


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Re: Previous packages?

2005-02-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
David Liontooth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is it possible to revert to a previous package in our current
> repository system?
>
> The latest etherape (0.9.0-8) has a bug (277703) that makes it
> unusable on my i686 and amd64 machines.
> On the i686 I can get the previous package from http://snapshot.debian.net
>
> Of course these things typically happen when you need the app the most
> -- our network was mysteriously down and I couldn't use the tool I was
> familiar with to see what was happening!
>
> Cheers,
> Dave

If it was a (very) recent upload the old deb will be in
pure64/old/... with the same subdirs as the new one in pure64/pool.

But since alioths disk is nearly full I clean that often.

MfG
Goswin


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Previous packages?

2005-02-10 Thread David Liontooth
Is it possible to revert to a previous package in our current repository 
system?

The latest etherape (0.9.0-8) has a bug (277703) that makes it unusable 
on my i686 and amd64 machines.
On the i686 I can get the previous package from http://snapshot.debian.net

Of course these things typically happen when you need the app the most 
-- our network was mysteriously down and I couldn't use the tool I was 
familiar with to see what was happening!

Cheers,
Dave
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RE: Oracle won't cooperate

2005-02-10 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 16:48 -0800, Joseph Pelle wrote:
> Did anyone get this (Oracle) working?  Which Oracle download did you use?  I
> tried the linux x86-64, but I can't even get the runInstaller to work.

You have to edit the runInstaller and associated programs before they
will run.  I was unable to get the Java installer to run.

Note to Oracle: Java is not portable if you link in a bunch of 32-bit
JNI garbage.

The only way I was able to get this to work was to install Oracle on a
RedHat system and transplant the installation onto a proper Debian
system.

-jwb


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RE: Oracle won't cooperate

2005-02-10 Thread Joseph Pelle
Did anyone get this (Oracle) working?  Which Oracle download did you use?  I
tried the linux x86-64, but I can't even get the runInstaller to work.

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On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 22:46 -0500, Javier Kohen wrote:
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> I fear I'm suggesting the obvious, but do you have the locales package
> installed in the chroot?

Yeah, I have the chroot configured for the same locales as the main
system (and the system with the X server, too).  I'm fairly certain the
locale message is completely spurious and misleading.

-jwb


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Re: Anyone tried the ASUS A8V-E Deluxe?

2005-02-10 Thread Wesley J Landaker
On Thursday, 10 February 2005 01:01, Giacomo Mulas wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Wesley J Landaker wrote:
> > I have this board, I'm still working on migrating everything over
> > to this system (it's going to be my new primary system on my desk).
>
> May I ask you, and the list, a question (well, a couple) then: how
> much RAM do you have installed? I have 4Gb on it, but I was unable to
> use it all, because apparently some addressing space (about 400Mb) is
> reserved for the southbridge. I found an option in the bios (the
> documentation is terse on it, to say the least) which claims to
> "remap" memory to make it all available. I tried enabling that, but
> then some drivers do not work well (e.g. nvidia, but I can live with
> it) or do not work at all (e.g. sk98lin, and this crashes the
> computer). Currently, for the sake of stability, I left remapping
> disabled in the bios and everything works like a charm, apart from
> the missing 400Mb, but this is not copletely satisfactory. Anybody
> else went through this? Suggestions?

I have 1GB, and I have all of my RAM available minus the size of the 
kernel (1023816 kB total reported by /proc/meminfo). I'm using the 
binary nvidia drivers for x86_64, the sysconnect sk98lin driver for 
network.

I'm actually curious what BIOS option you're talking about, as I don't 
see anything like what you were describing listed either in the BIOS or 
in the A8V-E Dexlue motherboard manual. Anyway, 400MB seems like an 
incredible (and strange) amount of address space to reserve for ISA 
compatibility--it seems like it must be for something else.

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Re: Re: Another go at the Abit AV8 Pro 1.1

2005-02-10 Thread garymary






HI,
 
 I understand you are having problems with the Abit AV8 motherboard paired with the AMD 64 3400+ cpu, well, for one obvious problem I see is the motherboard and cpu mismatch.
The Abit AV8 motherboard is a 939 socket, the AMD 3400+ is a 754 socket, while the cpu may fit on the mobo you won't be able to use the dual channel memory feature and I suspect the mismatch would cause other problems as well. TigerDirect is also selling the motherboard combo and fail to mention the socket for the cpu. One would assume the cpu is also a 939 pin but it isn't.  the dual channel  memory PC3200 latency and voltage must also match your mobo.. I am searching the internet for a good 939 mobo, and Abit AV8 and the Asus A8V get high marks.  hope this helps some Gary







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Re: quake3

2005-02-10 Thread Jacob Bresciani
just a side note. I've had this problem in the 32bit debian unstable the
echo > /proc line fixed it there as well. I also had the problem where
the sound would re-disappear every now and then as well.

On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 14:35 -0800, tony mancill wrote:
> Hi - I had this same problem with Enemy Territory, and had to google for
> quite a bit before I found something that worked for me.
> 
> Some articles referenced loading my sound modules with the option
> "mmap_valid=1".  This didn't change anything for me, but allegedly has
> worked for others.  Here's an example of what to add to
> /etc/modutils/alsa-base:
> 
>alias snd-card-0 snd-via82xx
>options snd-via82xx mmap_valid=1
> 
> Another article recommended this, which did do the trick:
> 
>   echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
> 
> Or if you use systune, add this line to /etc/systune.conf:
> 
>   /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss:et.x86 0 0 direct
> 
> In both cases, you'll need to change the "et.x86" to the name of the
> executable that runs quake3.
> 
> If I can locate them, I'll follow up for the post and provide references
> for the original sources for this info.
> 
> FWIW, ET sound worked for me without these changes for a while, and then
> went away.  I believe it was due to updating ALSA packages.  (It's tough
> to say when you track unstable on a daily basis.)  Also FWIW, I have to
> disable the GL extensions when I run ET in 64-bit or else the textures
> flicker between solid black and the normal texture.  The amazing thing is
> that the AMD64 is just about fast enough that the game remains playable,
> even doing all of the rendering in software...
> 
> HTH,
> tony
> 
> On Thu, February 10, 2005 14:22, Philippe said:
> > hello
> >
> > i'm just installing quake3 on sid pure64.
> > i think quake3 was not able to find libGL in /emul/ so i copy it in
> > quake3 dir
> > it's work but now I have no sound
> >
> > is there a solution pour this problem ?
> >
> > --- sound initialization ---
> > Could not mmap dma buffer PROT_WRITE|PROT_READ
> > trying mmap PROT_WRITE (with associated better compatibility / less
> > performance code)
> > /dev/dsp: Input/output error
> > Could not mmap /dev/dsp
> 
> 
> 


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Re: chroot and X

2005-02-10 Thread Springwald
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 02:11:52PM -0800, Theodore Kisner wrote:
> On Thursday 10 February 2005 13:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > xterm from my 64bit XFce: "could not open Display :0.0.
> 
> Do you have /tmp bind mounted in the chroot?
> 
> For example, in my (64bit) fstab I have:
> 
> /tmp/data/ia32-root/tmp nonebind0   0
I think there is nothing pointing to the chroot in fstab ...
The Knoppix ( chroot ) has their own /tmp
and their own fstab ...

I think that is the reason. I'll try it.

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Re: quake3

2005-02-10 Thread tony mancill
Hi - I had this same problem with Enemy Territory, and had to google for
quite a bit before I found something that worked for me.

Some articles referenced loading my sound modules with the option
"mmap_valid=1".  This didn't change anything for me, but allegedly has
worked for others.  Here's an example of what to add to
/etc/modutils/alsa-base:

   alias snd-card-0 snd-via82xx
   options snd-via82xx mmap_valid=1

Another article recommended this, which did do the trick:

  echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss

Or if you use systune, add this line to /etc/systune.conf:

  /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss:et.x86 0 0 direct

In both cases, you'll need to change the "et.x86" to the name of the
executable that runs quake3.

If I can locate them, I'll follow up for the post and provide references
for the original sources for this info.

FWIW, ET sound worked for me without these changes for a while, and then
went away.  I believe it was due to updating ALSA packages.  (It's tough
to say when you track unstable on a daily basis.)  Also FWIW, I have to
disable the GL extensions when I run ET in 64-bit or else the textures
flicker between solid black and the normal texture.  The amazing thing is
that the AMD64 is just about fast enough that the game remains playable,
even doing all of the rendering in software...

HTH,
tony

On Thu, February 10, 2005 14:22, Philippe said:
> hello
>
> i'm just installing quake3 on sid pure64.
> i think quake3 was not able to find libGL in /emul/ so i copy it in
> quake3 dir
> it's work but now I have no sound
>
> is there a solution pour this problem ?
>
> --- sound initialization ---
> Could not mmap dma buffer PROT_WRITE|PROT_READ
> trying mmap PROT_WRITE (with associated better compatibility / less
> performance code)
> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
> Could not mmap /dev/dsp



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Re: quake3

2005-02-10 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hi,

On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 11:22:54PM +0100, Philippe wrote:
> is there a solution pour this problem ?
> 
> --- sound initialization ---
> Could not mmap dma buffer PROT_WRITE|PROT_READ
> trying mmap PROT_WRITE (with associated better compatibility / less
> performance code)
> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
> Could not mmap /dev/dsp

you need both oss support and 32bit ioctl. 

Presuming you setup your system to use alsa, add the following to your 
/etc/modules.conf:

snd_pcm_oss
snd_mixer_oss
snd_seq_oss
snd_ioctl32

dont forget to modprobe the modules, too.

HTH
Frederik Schueler

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quake3

2005-02-10 Thread Philippe
hello

i'm just installing quake3 on sid pure64.
i think quake3 was not able to find libGL in /emul/ so i copy it in
quake3 dir
it's work but now I have no sound

is there a solution pour this problem ?

--- sound initialization ---
Could not mmap dma buffer PROT_WRITE|PROT_READ
trying mmap PROT_WRITE (with associated better compatibility / less
performance code)
/dev/dsp: Input/output error
Could not mmap /dev/dsp


thank

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Re: chroot and X

2005-02-10 Thread Theodore Kisner
On Thursday 10 February 2005 13:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> xterm from my 64bit XFce: "could not open Display :0.0.

Do you have /tmp bind mounted in the chroot?

For example, in my (64bit) fstab I have:

/tmp/data/ia32-root/tmp nonebind0   0

-Ted


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chroot and X

2005-02-10 Thread Springwald
Hi folks,

I'm running amd64-debian from alioth and a Knoppix 3.7 on 2 differend
Partitions. The Motherboard from ASUS is Ok. The d-i found the hardware.
X runs on a Matrox G550. I don't need 3D for games. Ok, anything runs at
once, excepting burning dvd, 32bit plugins for mozilla, openoffice ...

Nothing new. After I have read the amd64-howto, I build a chroot to the 
installation of Knoppix on the
2. partition. Any commandline tool work fine. But I can't start any
xterm from my 64bit XFce: "could not open Display :0.0. From another
xterm I've set a "xhost +" to the windowmanager, to allow the access.

If I start X with "startx" from the chroot, the complete KDE from Knoppix starts
corectly. What is my mistake? Any idea? 

Please send a CC: to me, I don't have subscribe your mailing-list.
Thanks for answer,

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Re: kernel 2.6.10-9-amd64-k8

2005-02-10 Thread Andree Zeulner
Am Sonntag, 6. Februar 2005 15:43 schrieb Andree Zeulner:
> Hi,
>
> since kernel 2.6.10-9 I get an error while booting:
>
> pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5
> Evaluate _OSC Set fails. Status = 0x0005
> pciehp: add_host_bridge: status 5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:   Slot sun(1) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:08:
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:   Slot sun(2) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:09:
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:   Slot sun(3) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:0a:
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:   Slot sun(4) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:0c:
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:   Slot sun(5) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:12:
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:   Slot sun(6) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:13:
> pciehp: Fails to gain control of native hot-plug
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:   Slot sun(1) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:08:
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:   Slot sun(2) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:09:
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:   Slot sun(3) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:0a:
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:   Slot sun(4) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:0c:
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:   Slot sun(5) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:12:
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 _HPP fail=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 OSHP fails=0x5
> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:   Slot sun(6) at s:b:d:f=0x00:00:13:
> shpchp: shpc_init : shpc_cap_offset == 0
> shpchp: Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.4
>
> FATAL: Error inserting pciehp
> (/lib/modules/2.6.10-9-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): No
> such device
>
> modinfo pciehp
> filename:  
> /lib/modules/2.6.10-9-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko
> license:GPL
> description:PCI Express Hot Plug Controller Driver
> author: Dan Zink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Kroah-Hartman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dely Sy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> srcversion: 5EC532C0153B2015B7CB083
> alias:  pci:v*d*sv*sd*bc06sc04i00*
> depends:pci_hotplug
> vermagic:   2.6.10-9-amd64-k8 gcc-3.4
> parm:   pciehp_debug:Debugging mode enabled or not
> parm:   pciehp_poll_mode:Using polling mechanism for hot-plug
> events or not
> parm:   pciehp_poll_time:Polling mechanism frequency, in seconds
>
> what further info is needed to solve this problem?
>
> regards
>
> Andree

I found a way to turn this message off by adding 

pciehp
shpchp

to /etc/hotplug/blacklist


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Re: Kernel panic with latest iso's

2005-02-10 Thread Marcos Hdez.




Ok, Thanks a lot!! I'll try right now!

Goswin von Brederlow escribió:

  "Marcos Hdez." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  
  
    Hi! I'm new in here. I'm trying to install from the netinstall iso and
still the same problem. Does anybody know where to report the bug?

  
  
Here's about right.

Are you sure you have the sid netinstall iso?

  
  
    By the way, can I do a network installation with the netboot or monolithic
isos?

  
  
- mini and netboot just boot from CD and do everything over the net.

- monolithic is like netboot but has all modules preinstalled.

- netinstall installs a full Debian base system from CD

There isn't a good reason for those names.

The netinstall iso is old (kernel 2.6.8) and known to work. The
netboot isos are known to panic, hopefully fixed tonight.

  
  
    Thanks a lot!!
    Marcos Hdez.
SpikeyGG escribió:

   Yeah, I installed my system about a week ago using the
 mini.iso off the netinst directory and it worked like a charm.  MSI
 K8N Neo2 Platinum installing on 2 SATA drives in a mirrored array. 

  
  
Don't use softraid bios if you use only Linux. Use Linuxs own software
raid support.

  
  
 I just wanted to set it up and decide if the AMD64 port works well
 enough to use as a HTPC.  I've decided that it's more stable that I
 expected and that there are more 64bit packages than I know what to
 do with. 
   
    So I wanted to wipe it clean and redistribute my array to
 account for some swap space and make it more redundant.  I tried to
 use the CD that I used before and when it got to the "downloading
 stuff" portion of the install it complained that there weren't and

  
  
Netinst never downloads prior to the reboot into the real system. So
you must have a netboot iso.

MfG
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Re: AMD64 Compat List

2005-02-10 Thread Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)
Le 10.02.2005 19:19:28, Lennart Sorensen a écrit :
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 06:14:14PM +, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)
wrote:
On the heatsink is not really problem (with an amd64, nt a Prescott),

in the bladesof the fan might e a problem ;-)
But it is not always clear *where* are located the sensors.
Most if not all motherboards since the Athlon XP came about, have had  
a
temp sensor under the cpu socket I believe.  My old A7V board (first
Asus socket A board) had an external sensor to put on the heat sink,
while later A7V series (with newer chipsets and support for newer
athlons) had the sensor under the socket somehow.
The Athlon64 has thermal sensing diode on the chip.
But unfortunately it is not used to monitor the temperature.
The A8V use a thermistor under the socket to do that, you are right.  
But it seems that the thermal diode is used for safety purposes: it  
shut down the system is case of overheat. (I've found this information  
on AMD site, in the supported motherboard section but surprisingly I've  
not found this information at ASUS's).

Len Sorensen
Jean-Luc


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Re: AMD64 Compat List

2005-02-10 Thread Stephen Hassard
Later boards used the onboard temperature sensor on the CPU. Most modern 
processors do this.

Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 06:14:14PM +, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
On the heatsink is not really problem (with an amd64, nt a Prescott),  
in the bladesof the fan might e a problem ;-)

But it is not always clear *where* are located the sensors.

Most if not all motherboards since the Athlon XP came about, have had a
temp sensor under the cpu socket I believe.  My old A7V board (first
Asus socket A board) had an external sensor to put on the heat sink,
while later A7V series (with newer chipsets and support for newer
athlons) had the sensor under the socket somehow.
Len Sorensen


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Re: AMD64 Compat List

2005-02-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 06:14:14PM +, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
> On the heatsink is not really problem (with an amd64, nt a Prescott),  
> in the bladesof the fan might e a problem ;-)
> 
> But it is not always clear *where* are located the sensors.

Most if not all motherboards since the Athlon XP came about, have had a
temp sensor under the cpu socket I believe.  My old A7V board (first
Asus socket A board) had an external sensor to put on the heat sink,
while later A7V series (with newer chipsets and support for newer
athlons) had the sensor under the socket somehow.

Len Sorensen


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Re: AMD64 Compat List

2005-02-10 Thread Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)
Le 10.02.2005 18:58:29, Daniel James a écrit :
Hi Alessandro,
At school I studied a strange law kwnon also as second
thermodynamic principle, which state that heat flows from a higher
temberature body to a lower temperature body. For this reason,
NEVER should happen that the heatsink has a temperature higher than
the CPU (heat source) whichever fan you apply ;-)
You could be right, but as CPU use is bursty and the heatsink is
surrounded by insulating air, the heatsink might still be hot after
the CPU has cooled. And isn't the radiator in a house hotter at the
top than at the bottom?
All I know for sure is:
1. hot CPU and cold heatsink is a bad sign
2. not to put my finger on a heatsink while computer is in use : )
On the heatsink is not really problem (with an amd64, nt a Prescott),  
in the bladesof the fan might e a problem ;-)

But it is not always clear *where* are located the sensors.
Cheers
Daniel
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Re: AMD64 Compat List

2005-02-10 Thread Daniel James
Hi Alessandro,

> At school I studied a strange law kwnon also as second
> thermodynamic principle, which state that heat flows from a higher
> temberature body to a lower temperature body. For this reason,
> NEVER should happen that the heatsink has a temperature higher than
> the CPU (heat source) whichever fan you apply ;-)

You could be right, but as CPU use is bursty and the heatsink is 
surrounded by insulating air, the heatsink might still be hot after 
the CPU has cooled. And isn't the radiator in a house hotter at the 
top than at the bottom?

All I know for sure is:

1. hot CPU and cold heatsink is a bad sign

2. not to put my finger on a heatsink while computer is in use : )
 
Cheers

Daniel


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Re: python and automake error

2005-02-10 Thread Gasper Zejn
I've got all python2.x-dev packages and it does not help.
Could it be something in automake settings?
Gasper
Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:42:31AM +0100, Gasper Zejn wrote:
 

If i use "autoconf ; automake ; autoreconf" on source (I'd supposedly 
have to do this on cvs source) the autoreconf pops the following error:

aclocal.m4: 374: `jm_MAINTAINER_MODE' is obsolete; use `AM_MAINTAINER_MODE'
aclocal: configure.ac: 12: macro `AM_PATH_PYTHON' not found in library
autoreconf: aclocal failed with exit status: 1
   

You probably need to install python-dev or python2.3-dev or
something.
Kurt
 


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Re: AMD64 Compat List

2005-02-10 Thread Alessandro Razeto
At school I studied a strange law kwnon also as second thermodynamic
principle, which state that heat flows from a higher temberature body
to a lower temperature body. For this reason, NEVER should happen that
the heatsink has a temperature higher than the CPU (heat source)
whichever fan you apply ;-)

On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 10:09:03 +, Daniel James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Per,
> 
> > the M/B temp is higher than the CPU temp
> 
> This might be right if your CPU cooling is particularly efficient, or 
> your box otherwise has inadequate ventilation. I have a heatpipe 
> cooler on my Opteron, and if I turn up the CPU fan I can make it 
> cooler than the rest of the system at idle. Right now it's 32C system 
> and 33C CPU with the fan running quiet.
> 
> 45C does sound way too hot for a motherboard with a CPU at 36C, so in 
> your case it does sound as though the values have been swapped. 
> 
> > and the 
> > CPU temp is lower than the temp I'm getting from a probe attached
> > to the heatsink.
> 
> That's just as it should be, because you want the heat to be rising 
> into the heatsink and not staying in the CPU core. If it was the 
> other way round then it would probably mean there was poor contact 
> between CPU and heatsink, with an air gap where the thermal compound 
> should be.
>  
> Cheers!
> 
> Daniel
> 
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Re: Re: xorg, transparency and ati drivers

2005-02-10 Thread the owner
f.carone wrote:
I was originally interested in the improved open source Radeon code with
DRI and have not tried the composite and transparency in your
question.
 Try it if you can, as I'd like to know if this is an issue of my
installation or not. Googling a bit, it seems this 'slowlyness'
affects ATI cards but not nVidia ones.
 Cheers,
 fc
+++
I found the xcompmgr and transset at ubuntu. The first time I had the
transparency enabled caused the Xserver to almost freeze. That was
much worse than just being slow. I have been trying a few more settings
without any solution. I need to read more about the new special effects
before I know if my configuration is correct. They probably won't be
widely implemented for quite a while anyway. My first experience was
bad although I could see the transparency in action.
I am still very happy with the new Xorg X11 compared to the old Xfree86.
:-)
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Re: AMD64 Compat List

2005-02-10 Thread Daniel James
Hi Per,

> the M/B temp is higher than the CPU temp

This might be right if your CPU cooling is particularly efficient, or 
your box otherwise has inadequate ventilation. I have a heatpipe 
cooler on my Opteron, and if I turn up the CPU fan I can make it 
cooler than the rest of the system at idle. Right now it's 32C system 
and 33C CPU with the fan running quiet.

45C does sound way too hot for a motherboard with a CPU at 36C, so in 
your case it does sound as though the values have been swapped. 

> and the 
> CPU temp is lower than the temp I'm getting from a probe attached
> to the heatsink.

That's just as it should be, because you want the heat to be rising 
into the heatsink and not staying in the CPU core. If it was the 
other way round then it would probably mean there was poor contact 
between CPU and heatsink, with an air gap where the thermal compound 
should be.
 
Cheers!

Daniel


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Re: Debconf and other outdated packages

2005-02-10 Thread Andreas Jochens
On 05-Feb-09 21:23, Javier Kohen wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was wondering why some packages which are successfully compiled by 
> buildd for gcc-3.4 don't make it to the pool. One particular case is 
> debconf 1.4.45, which fixes some awful looking error messages when 
> running dpkg. Another is the Is there always manual intervention 
> involved in moving the packages to the pool? I'm afraid I don't know how 
> Debian works on that level.

Thanks for the report. Usually there is almost no manual intervention
necessary. However, something went wrong with the archive's source 
update and also with the upload of some packages.

I just rebuilt and uploaded quite a few missing package versions.
The debconf version 1.4.45 is now available in the archive.

Regards
Andreas Jochens


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Re: Re: Anyone tried the ASUS A8V-E Deluxe?

2005-02-10 Thread Giacomo Mulas
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Alois Z. wrote:
I got it running last night with the drvier from the manufacturer. But only
after I installed the kernel sources only kernel headers broke the
compilation of the driver. I spoted the same for the nvidia drivers.
running gcc3.4 and kernel 2.6.9-9
You should be careful with the gcc3.4 tree: it is the slightly more 
experimental one, there have been some glitches in the past and probably 
there will be some more in the future, since it uses the gcc4.0 compiler 
family to compile its packages and this is known to be still somewhat 
buggy. On the other hand, this is useful for its added error checking 
capabilities and helped catch quite a few bugs already, which were fixed 
in pure64 as well. And although "experimental" is to be read in the usual 
Debian way, i.e. still very stable, pure64 is supposed to be the more 
conservative, and more stable tree. In short, if you want to help chasing 
and fixing bugs, and are prepared to accept a little bit of instability, 
go with gcc3.4; if on the other hand you want something (almost) rock 
solid and dependable, go with pure64.

Bye
Giacomo
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Re: Re: Anyone tried the ASUS A8V-E Deluxe?

2005-02-10 Thread Alois Z.
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Alois Zoitl wrote:
> 
> > i got this htin g yesterday and I'm not to glad about it because I can
> not 
> > get the network running.
> > As far as I found out it uses also the sk98lin driver.
> > But the standard driver that comes along with the debian amd 64 cd fails
> the 
> > installation.
> 
> It's a bug in the installation image, it's known to fail to load the 
> module even though it detects it fine. During installation, you have to 
> choose the option to execute a shell, run "modprobe -f sk98lin", which 
> initialises the NIC, possibly bring up and configure the interface with 
> the appropriate ifconfig command and friends, and from then on you should 
> be fine. I have such a beast working under my desk right now, with pure64 
> installed, and had no other problem with it. I am currently running a 
> kernel compiled from the stock debian sources, 2.6.10.
> 

I got it running last night with the drvier from the manufacturer. But only
after I installed the kernel sources only kernel headers broke the
compilation of the driver. I spoted the same for the nvidia drivers.
running gcc3.4 and kernel 2.6.9-9

Alois

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Re: Anyone tried the ASUS A8V-E Deluxe?

2005-02-10 Thread Giacomo Mulas
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Wesley J Landaker wrote:
I have this board, I'm still working on migrating everything over to
this system (it's going to be my new primary system on my desk).
May I ask you, and the list, a question (well, a couple) then: how much 
RAM do you have installed? I have 4Gb on it, but I was unable to use it 
all, because apparently some addressing space (about 400Mb) is reserved 
for the southbridge. I found an option in the bios (the documentation is 
terse on it, to say the least) which claims to "remap" memory to make 
it all available. I tried enabling that, but then some drivers do not work 
well (e.g. nvidia, but I can live with it) or do not work at all (e.g. 
sk98lin, and this crashes the computer). Currently, for the sake of 
stability, I left remapping disabled in the bios and everything works like 
a charm, apart from the missing 400Mb, but this is not copletely 
satisfactory. Anybody else went through this? Suggestions?

Thanks, bye
Giacomo
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Re: Re: Anyone tried the ASUS A8V-E Deluxe?

2005-02-10 Thread Giacomo Mulas
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Alois Zoitl wrote:
i got this htin g yesterday and I'm not to glad about it because I can not 
get the network running.
As far as I found out it uses also the sk98lin driver.
But the standard driver that comes along with the debian amd 64 cd fails the 
installation.
It's a bug in the installation image, it's known to fail to load the 
module even though it detects it fine. During installation, you have to 
choose the option to execute a shell, run "modprobe -f sk98lin", which 
initialises the NIC, possibly bring up and configure the interface with 
the appropriate ifconfig command and friends, and from then on you should 
be fine. I have such a beast working under my desk right now, with pure64 
installed, and had no other problem with it. I am currently running a 
kernel compiled from the stock debian sources, 2.6.10.

Bye
Giacomo
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