Double problem with KDM
Hi! After I installed Debian, I tried to use kdm instead of gdm. I ran into the 2 following problems - When the kdm login screen appears, I do not have any keyboard input. I cannot enter neither my login nor my password. If I try to restart the X session, nothing changes. If I try console login, I can log in without any problem. Then, I can start kdm as root and when the login window appears I can normally enter my username and password. - At this point appears the second problem: after validating my username and password, the kdm window disappears... and appears again. I can never get the desktop running. On the other hand, such troubles do not happen at all with gdm. Does anyone have already seen these symptoms? (Is it serious, doc?) Thanks for any help, - Emmanuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: perspectives on 32 bit vs 64 bit
Adam Skutt wrote: Helge Hafting wrote: Adam Skutt wrote: Helge Hafting wrote: You can address more than 4GiB by using the always-unpopular segment registers found on intel processors. How? In protected-mode, they're in use as segement descriptor selectors. Certain bits have specific meanings you cannot override, as they're part of the memory protection mechanism. Yes, so? That means it's logically impossible to have a 48-bit pointer, at all period. You are right that this isn't a true 48-bit pointer. The upper 16 bit of such a pointer is not a numerical part that can be incremented the ordinary way. But it _is_ a way that lets you have more than 32 bits of address space, although this way is so cumbersome that nobody sane would bother implement it. (Pointer arithmetic no longer being simple add/subtract, precisely due to the descriptors, invoking the _swapper_ whenever we reference a pointer to another 4G area . . .) Sigh. All mechanisms that lets the os support more than 4GB for several processes, can be used to support more than 4GB for a single process as well. That is trivial, although also less efficient than only supporting 4GB. Yes, but it's obvious now you didn't understand what I said. You /cannot/ have more than 32-bits of virtual address space. Period. There is no way to do it. What you can do is remap the same virtual space to different physical addresses. Which is different from having extra v.a.s. Whenever the app reloads a segment register, (i.e. trying to use a 48-bit pointer where the segment descriptor differs from the last pointer used) This isn't a 48-bit pointer, because descriptor selectors aren't pointers. Not a true 48 bit pointer, it doesn't give you 48 bits of address space. But it gives you more than 32 bit, thats my point. And I called it a 48-bit pointer because storing such a pointer indeed takes 48 bit for the selector offset. And it won't work anyway. How do I get a base offset higher than 0x? And if I add to it, what behavior is yielded? You don't get a higher base offset than that - but I never said so either. Your compiler have to support a segment switch whenever you cross a 4GB boundary. Needless to say, this makes all pointer arithmetic slow. Not what is desired, to say the least. Nobody desires this way of programming - but it is possible. I never claimed it was useful - get a 64-bit processor instead I said. You can't have more than 32-bit v.a.s. Anytricks to get around that don't really get around that, they just have the same addresses the user-space code sees point to different physical addresses. I really don't see how this is possible leafing through the IA-32 System Programming Guide so links or text would be preferred. No guide will tell you how, they'll guide you towards something saner. It is all there in the specs though, and is easier to understand if you compare to a similiar situation in the 1980's: Nobody ever used the 48-bit pointer system, but a 32-bit pointer system (16-bit selector + 16-bit offset) was widely used to support more than 1MB on the 80286 processor. Of course this wasn't true 32-bit pointers either, they needed 32 bits of storage space but merely allowed a 24-bit address space. Pointer arithmetic was highly nontrivial due to the selector part of the pointer, but it worked. The compilers did support data structures bigger than 64kB (and bigger than 1MB), even though you couldn't have an offset bigger than 64kB. They supported this by changing the segment selector when necessary. Such pointer arithmetic was time-consuming and slow - and programmers laughed at it because true 32-bit processors were available at the time. But those didn't run microsoft windows. At least two operating systems used this programming model- windows 3.0 and os/2 v.1.3. The 80286 was popular, unfortunately. Using 48-bit pointers (16-bit selector + 32-bit offset) works much of the same way, but with an added problem: Where the 80286 created a 24-bit address from a 32-bit segmented pointer, the 80386 creates a 32-bit pointer from a 48-bit segmented pointer. This is the only extra problem that we get, other problems, such as the offset not being greater than 32-bit is solved the same way as 80286 programmers solved the problem of the offset not being more than 16 bit. The offset limitation don't stop us, it is merely a performance problem. The 32-bit address problem is solved by having only one segment selector marked present at any time. Accessing any other selector will then give a segment not present trap, similiar to a page fault. The os can then resolve the problem by changing the PAE-extended page tables, mapping a different 32-bit address space, marking the new selector present (and marking the previously used one not-present) and then restart the instruction. This step makes 48-bit segmented pointers even slower than the 32-bit
Re: Double problem with KDM
[..] - At this point appears the second problem: after validating my username and password, the kdm window disappears... and appears again. I can never get the desktop running. Just read thread can't connect to ANY desktop ! on this ml. On the other hand, such troubles do not happen at all with gdm. Does anyone have already seen these symptoms? (Is it serious, doc?) Thanks for any help, - Emmanuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fail to load Gnome
Albert Oliver Serra wrote: Hello Here there's the same behaviour. I can't log in into a gnome session; but I can into a gnome failsafe session. The .xsession-errors log is the same. I have no gaim at startup and no esd. Thank you Well, after a logout I ran into the same problem as you. So it must come from from an update package, yesterday, I upgrade a lot of package. [MIS A JOUR] cpp-3.4 3.4.4-8 - 3.4.4-9 [MIS A JOUR] g++-3.4 3.4.4-8 - 3.4.4-9 [MIS A JOUR] gamin 0.1.5-2 - 0.1.6-1 [MIS A JOUR] gcc-3.4 3.4.4-8 - 3.4.4-9 [MIS A JOUR] gcc-3.4-base 3.4.4-8 - 3.4.4-9 [MIS A JOUR] gstreamer0.8-alsa 0.8.11-1 - 0.8.11-1.1 [MIS A JOUR] gstreamer0.8-cdparanoia 0.8.11-1 - 0.8.11-1.1 [MIS A JOUR] gstreamer0.8-flac 0.8.11-1 - 0.8.11-1.1 [MIS A JOUR] gstreamer0.8-mad 0.8.11-1 - 0.8.11-1.1 [MIS A JOUR] gstreamer0.8-misc 0.8.11-1 - 0.8.11-1.1 [MIS A JOUR] gstreamer0.8-vorbis 0.8.11-1 - 0.8.11-1.1 [MIS A JOUR] hal 0.4.8-7 - 0.4.8-8 [MIS A JOUR] hal-device-manager 0.4.8-7 - 0.4.8-8 [MIS A JOUR] initrd-tools 0.1.82 - 0.1.83 [MIS A JOUR] libgamin-dev 0.1.5-2 - 0.1.6-1 [MIS A JOUR] libgamin0 0.1.5-2 - 0.1.6-1 [MIS A JOUR] libgstreamer-gconf0.8-0 0.8.11-1 - 0.8.11-1.1 [MIS A JOUR] libgstreamer-plugins0.8-0 0.8.11-1 - 0.8.11-1.1 [MIS A JOUR] libhal-storage0 0.4.8-7 - 0.4.8-8 [MIS A JOUR] libhal0 0.4.8-7 - 0.4.8-8 [MIS A JOUR] libperl5.8 5.8.7-6 - 5.8.7-7 [MIS A JOUR] libspeex1 1.1.6-2 - 1.1.10-1 [MIS A JOUR] libssl-dev 0.9.8-3 - 0.9.8a-1 [MIS A JOUR] libssl0.9.8 0.9.8-3 - 0.9.8a-1 [MIS A JOUR] libstdc++6-dev 3.4.4-8 - 3.4.4-9 [MIS A JOUR] libvte-common 1:0.11.15-1 - 1:0.11.15-2 [MIS A JOUR] libvte4 1:0.11.15-1 - 1:0.11.15-2 [MIS A JOUR] lsb-base 3.0-9 - 3.0-10 [MIS A JOUR] openssl 0.9.8-3 - 0.9.8a-1 [MIS A JOUR] perl 5.8.7-6 - 5.8.7-7 [MIS A JOUR] perl-base 5.8.7-6 - 5.8.7-7 [MIS A JOUR] perl-modules 5.8.7-6 - 5.8.7-7 [MIS A JOUR] pkg-config 0.19-1 - 0.20-1 [MIS A JOUR] zlib1g 1:1.2.3-4 - 1:1.2.3-6 [MIS A JOUR] zlib1g-dev 1:1.2.3-4 - 1:1.2.3-6 -- Sylvain Archenault -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Double problem with KDM
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 09:01, Emmanuel Guiton wrote: Hi! After I installed Debian, I tried to use kdm instead of gdm. I ran into the 2 following problems - When the kdm login screen appears, I do not have any keyboard input. I cannot enter neither my login nor my password. If I try to restart the X session, nothing changes. If I try console login, I can log in without any problem. Then, I can start kdm as root and when the login window appears I can normally enter my username and password. - At this point appears the second problem: after validating my username and password, the kdm window disappears... and appears again. I can never get the desktop running. On the other hand, such troubles do not happen at all with gdm. Does anyone have already seen these symptoms? (Is it serious, doc?) Thanks for any help, - Emmanuel Don't know if this is related; but I recently changed my 32-bit machine running Etch from XFree86 to Xorg and there was an error in the generated xorg.conf, an instance of Driver Keyboard that should have read Driver keyboard This was keeping X from starting up altogether, and it cost me a night's sleep as I faffed around trying to get a working xorg.conf together. OTOH, now I have done it, it rocks bells. If it makes any difference, I have been using the open source nv graphics card drivers all along on both my 32 and 64 bit machines. -- AJS delta echo bravo six four at earthshod dot co dot uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fail to load Gnome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sylvain Archenault wrote: Albert Oliver Serra wrote: Hello Hi, Well, after a logout I ran into the same problem as you. So it must come from from an update package, yesterday, I upgrade a lot of package. [MIS A JOUR] libssl0.9.8 0.9.8-3 - 0.9.8a-1 This Package is the problem. It breaks ssh, ssh-agent, wget, libcurl, ... It is solved in libssl0.9.8a-2, described in another thread at this mailinglist. Not sure if this package have reached all mirrors. Try a update to libssl0.9.8a-2 or switch down to libssl0.9.8. - -- Greetings / Gruss Andreas Richterhttp://www.oszine.de GPG-KeyID0x7BA12DD9 Fingerprint D2E9 202B F4F0 EB16 25DE 5FF7 0CF2 3C57 7BA1 2DD9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDVg5VDPI8V3uhLdkRAjyLAKCeL0i1UbDbOG62hBPvFbEZ5Rd9vwCgv2UO hl56MtfoIkG+uKjQPuhR+z0= =JFY2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get error
Yes I tried this first. On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 17:58 +0200, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: Rereading the thread: have you tried? apt-get install -f regards, Leo A Dimarts 18 Octubre 2005 17:29, Dr Gavin Seddon va escriure: The problem is, I cannot use apt since I get the errors mentioned. It is a vicious circle. On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 13:55 +0200, Giacomo Mulas wrote: On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Dr Gavin Seddon wrote: Hi, I must install the locales package manually. Which do you recommend? I am afraid I do not understand your question. There should be only one locales package and apt-get install locales, possibly adding the -f flag to apt-get if necessary, ought to just install the appropriate version for your installation. It should be the same package version as the libc6 you have installed, since they come from the same source package. As to which locale to choose when installing the package and debconf asks, well, that's up to you. You can choose a national locale of your liking (I use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a default, since I am Italian, but also keep all other Italian locales and all English locales available, as a fall back) or just leave it unset, which uses the default C locale. Does this answer your question? bye Giacomo -- _ Giacomo Mulas [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ OSSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO DI CAGLIARI Str. 54, Loc. Poggio dei Pini * 09012 Capoterra (CA) Tel. (OAC): +39 070 71180 248 Fax : +39 070 71180 222 Tel. (UNICA): +39 070 675 4916 _ When the storms are raging around you, stay right where you are (Freddy Mercury) _ -- Il messaggio e' stato analizzato alla ricerca di virus o contenuti pericolosi da MailScanner, ed e' risultato non infetto. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT?] LVM questions
Craig Hagerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I recently bought a new hard drive. I alread have another big hard drive for files so altogether they have 450 GB. I decided to set up LVM on my system to make it easy to access both together and be able to add more space in the future, but I am a bit wary because I know little about LVM. This is strictly for data, not the root partition. (note- I HAVE read the howto and other things online but don't find any of them all that user-friendly for the newbie. Things like um... how to I actually access this LVM disc I have just created or how do I get the LVM discs to automatically show up on reboot are NOT obvious from the howto.) LVM is dead simple: 1. Write the lvm label onto the disk/partition: pvcreate /dev/disk 2. Create a volume group with one or more physical volumes vgcreate vg-name /dev/disk 3. Create a logical volume (like a partition) lvcreate -L 1G -n lv-name vg-name 4. Format the LV mke2fs -j /dev/vg-name/lv-name 5. mount the filesystem mount /dev/vg-name/lv-name /mnt/whatever That is realy all there is to it normaly. Debian has lvm all setup to autodetect on boot and all. I am wondering if there is any downside about using LVM I should be aware of. Is my data any less safe? I ask because I didn't realizze (at first) how to get the LVM disc to show up on boot, so it appeared that everything just wasn't there. So I was thinking - what if I have some problem with my root partition in the future, is the data on an LVM share just as accessable as otherwise? (Stupid question perhaps, but I don't know much yet.) If your lvm spans accross 2 disks the volume group won't be activated when one of the disks fails. But you can manualy activate a partial volume group (-P option) to recover as much of the data as is till there. Any missing parts will be mapped to produce an I/O error when read. Obviously any logical volume on the missing disk (even partialy) will have data loss or is unreadable alltogether. So yes, there is a downside to LVM. You loose a disk in the group and you have problems. But if you would have a raid0 (striping) over the disks you also have problems if one disks fails. That is just a result of having multiple disks joined together. Also I am still uncertain about how to best make use of two discs with LVM. Do I HAVE to set up a RAID, or is it an option. Is there any benifit or danger to using a RAID or not with LVM. (I have never set up a RAID but my motherboard - ASUS Kv8 I think - can do that I think.) If I don't use a RAID how are the discs used? Does it just fill up one, and then start on the other or use space on both at the same time? By default lvm will do linear raid, put one disk behind the other, when creating logical volumes. You get the space benefit but no speed gain. But lvm can also do raid 0 (striping) of a logical volume over multiple physical volumes. This gives you the extra speed from accessing multiple drives in parallel just like raid0 would but preserves the lvm abilities to grow/shrink or move a logical volume at any time. So if you think about doing linear raid or raid0 then LVM is always superior. The best use of 2 disks in my opinion is to use raid1 (mirroring) and lvm. I would create 4 partitions: sda1 + sdb1: 300Mb raid1 for / sda2 + sdb2: 1GB raid1 for swap sda3 + sdb3: 10GB raid1 with lvm (vg1) for /usr, /var, /home sda4 + sdb4: rest with lvm (vg2) with less important data This means that all the system files and your precious home directory will be save from a single disk failure. You don't loose your system configuration or your gpg key if a disk fails. Just plug in a new one, partition it the same way and let the raid resync. But you also have less important data that utilizes the space of both disks without any protection against disk failure. Put things on there you can recover again, like a debian mirror. :) Think carefully about the right sizes for the 3rd and 4th partitions. Changing them later isn't the easiest. Apologies for my ignorance in advance. Craig MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fail to load Gnome (solved)
Hi Well, after a logout I ran into the same problem as you. So it must come from from an update package, yesterday, I upgrade a lot of package. [MIS A JOUR] libssl0.9.8 0.9.8-3 - 0.9.8a-1 This Package is the problem. It breaks ssh, ssh-agent, wget, libcurl, ... It is solved in libssl0.9.8a-2, described in another thread at this mailinglist. Not sure if this package have reached all mirrors. Try a update to libssl0.9.8a-2 or switch down to libssl0.9.8. I've uploaded and now it runs fine again. Thank you very much. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
upgrade path from 32 to 64
Hi, is there an upgrade path from 32bit testing to 64bit testing or stable? It would be nice if I didn´t have to reinstall from scratch. Are there problems with commercial games to expect on a 64bit system? If I have to remain at 32bit because of the games, which NVIDIA drivers should I use, the 32 or 64bit version? GH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade path from 32 to 64
Am Mittwoch, 19. Oktober 2005 12:36 schrieb .: Hi, is there an upgrade path from 32bit testing to 64bit testing or stable? It would be nice if I didn´t have to reinstall from scratch. Are there problems with commercial games to expect on a 64bit system? If I have to remain at 32bit because of the games, which NVIDIA drivers should I use, the 32 or 64bit version? GH Do it as I did, here is my suggestion: 1. Backup your /home/ 2. Backup your configration files sources.list. xorg.conf and whatever you changed. 3. Use synaptic and save all installed packages in a file. Backup tis, too. 4. Now you can install Debian as normal. Install X and synaptic, so you can install all packages again. 5. Install debian as normal, and copy all configs back. 6. make an at-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. 7. Last start synaptic, and install all packages from the list. I did it this way, with DSLit lasted just 3 hours (download time) , nd I was online again. Best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get error
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Dr Gavin Seddon wrote: Hi, now I get, 'dpkg -i locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb dpkg: regarding locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb containing locales: belocs-locales-data conflicts with locales locales (version 2.3.5-7) is to be installed. dpkg: error processing locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb (--install): conflicting packages - not installing locales Errors were encountered while processing: locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb ' can you advise? I never used belocs-locales, I have no idea what it is for, my guess is that it probably is not essential to the system, while locales is. If I were you, I would remove belocs-locales-data, and possibly other packages depending on it, and install locales. But be careful with it... bye Giacomo -- _ Giacomo Mulas [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ OSSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO DI CAGLIARI Str. 54, Loc. Poggio dei Pini * 09012 Capoterra (CA) Tel. (OAC): +39 070 71180 248 Fax : +39 070 71180 222 Tel. (UNICA): +39 070 675 4916 _ When the storms are raging around you, stay right where you are (Freddy Mercury) _ -- Il messaggio e' stato analizzato alla ricerca di virus o contenuti pericolosi da MailScanner, ed e' risultato non infetto. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get error
Hi, now I get, 'dpkg -i locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb dpkg: regarding locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb containing locales: belocs-locales-data conflicts with locales locales (version 2.3.5-7) is to be installed. dpkg: error processing locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb (--install): conflicting packages - not installing locales Errors were encountered while processing: locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb ' can you advise? ue, 2005-10-18 at 17:57 +0200, Giacomo Mulas wrote: On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Dr Gavin Seddon wrote: The problem is, I cannot use apt since I get the errors mentioned. It is a vicious circle. Ok, I did not realize this was your problem previously. Use the command dpkg -l libc6 to get the version of libc6 you have, then look in for it in your favourite debian mirror (e.g. http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/), download the locales package with the same version number as your libc6, install it with dpkg -i locales_whatever_version_it_is.deb Bye Giacomo -- _ Giacomo Mulas [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ OSSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO DI CAGLIARI Str. 54, Loc. Poggio dei Pini * 09012 Capoterra (CA) Tel. (OAC): +39 070 71180 248 Fax : +39 070 71180 222 Tel. (UNICA): +39 070 675 4916 _ When the storms are raging around you, stay right where you are (Freddy Mercury) _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get error
Hi, it is there but dpkg -x *** won't extract, what's the best way? On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 14:05 +0200, Giacomo Mulas wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Dr Gavin Seddon wrote: Hi, now I get, 'dpkg -i locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb dpkg: regarding locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb containing locales: belocs-locales-data conflicts with locales locales (version 2.3.5-7) is to be installed. dpkg: error processing locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb (--install): conflicting packages - not installing locales Errors were encountered while processing: locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb ' can you advise? I never used belocs-locales, I have no idea what it is for, my guess is that it probably is not essential to the system, while locales is. If I were you, I would remove belocs-locales-data, and possibly other packages depending on it, and install locales. But be careful with it... bye Giacomo -- _ Giacomo Mulas [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ OSSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO DI CAGLIARI Str. 54, Loc. Poggio dei Pini * 09012 Capoterra (CA) Tel. (OAC): +39 070 71180 248 Fax : +39 070 71180 222 Tel. (UNICA): +39 070 675 4916 _ When the storms are raging around you, stay right where you are (Freddy Mercury) _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get error
No, sorry I am trying to extract 'belocs'. Yes I use '-i' to install. On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 14:39 +0200, Giacomo Mulas wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Dr Gavin Seddon wrote: Hi, it is there but dpkg -x *** won't extract, what's the best way? never _ever_ install something with dpkg -x! This calls dpkg-deb and just unpacks the contents of an archive without registering them in the package system nor doing any needed cnfiguration! Do read the man page of dpkg and use it properly, since it is seriously capable of hosing your system is used in the wrong way. The right way to install a package with dpkg is dpkg -i, to remove one dpkg -r, to remove the package and all its configurations dpkg --purge. Let me stress this again, do read and understand the man pages of dpkg before using it directly, unless you don't care risking to make your system unusable. Bye Giacomo -- _ Giacomo Mulas [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ OSSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO DI CAGLIARI Str. 54, Loc. Poggio dei Pini * 09012 Capoterra (CA) Tel. (OAC): +39 070 71180 248 Fax : +39 070 71180 222 Tel. (UNICA): +39 070 675 4916 _ When the storms are raging around you, stay right where you are (Freddy Mercury) _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg transparency and shadows
I think there are numerous problems with transset and family right now, that is why it's not in debian. run glxgears, if your not getting framerates above 50, your video card either not 3d or the proper driver isn't supported. See nvidia, ATI, preferably nvidia. - Original Message - From: Chris Wakefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: Re: xorg transparency and shadows I re-installed transset and got it working, but the desktop runs very, very slow. Can someone suggest a fix here? Do I require more packages besides transset for translucency to run better? Thanks for any interest or replies, Chris W. On October 18, 2005 11:02 am, mons wrote: Hi, Thanks, it's nice. Is it possible apply automatically transparency (transset) at all windows? Giulio I use KDE 3.4.2 and to do that you need to go to Control Center - Desktop - Window Behavior - Translucency -- Pozdrawiam serdecznie: mons -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg transparency and shadows
Le 19.10.2005 15:00:37, Mike Dobbs a écrit : I think there are numerous problems with transset and family right now, that is why it's not in debian. run glxgears, if your not getting framerates above 50, your video card either not 3d or the proper driver isn't supported. See nvidia, ATI, preferably nvidia. I have an ATI radeon 9250 (the latest on with open source drivers). With a rate of about 900+, the transparency is *very* slow. I tried to use fglrx but didnt manage to load the module. So ATI doesnt seem to be the good choice for transparency... for the moment. But as transparency is not a need for me, I run without it. More, the Composite option should be disabled in xorg.conf if you dont want xmms to crash when running double sised and without this option there is no chance to have transparency to work (or at least I didnt manage to get it) Jean-Luc pgpvlPwAEI1st.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Segfaults as non-root user
Hi, I also see the same problems that have been reported in the Segfaults as non-root user thread in September (http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/09/msg00508.html). For instance with dpkg-parsechangelog, it crashes with dpkg-parsechangelog: failure: tail of debian/changelog died from signal 11 in /var/log/messages I find: Oct 19 14:55:01 ithif59 kernel: dpkg-parsechang[6180]: segfault at 00f0 rip 002a9623ae3b rsp 007fb1c0 error 4 As super-user, dpkg-parsechangelog runs fine. I am running a self-compiled 2.6.8 kernel on Tyan Thunder K8S Pro board with two opteron processors. I followed the pointers in the reply from Jochen Sprickerhof. However, I could not extract any useful information. Further, the segfaults that I see are reproducable. Are there any suggestions or workarounds? Bye, Hendrik Tews -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade path from 32 to 64
On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 12:36:27PM +0200, . wrote: is there an upgrade path from 32bit testing to 64bit testing or stable? It would be nice if I didn?t have to reinstall from scratch. Are there problems with commercial games to expect on a 64bit system? If I have to remain at 32bit because of the games, which NVIDIA drivers should I use, the 32 or 64bit version? The one matching the kernel you are running. 64bit kernel needs 64bit driver. The user space part (nvidia-glx) you need the one matching the application. 32bit games should run on 64bit just fine if the needed libraries are installed (in a 32bit chroot if needed) although usually not many libraries are needed by games (they tend to include what they need) so the ia32-libs and nvidia-glx-ia32 (or whatever it is called) should take care of it. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg transparency and shadows
--- Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 19.10.2005 15:00:37, Mike Dobbs a écrit : I think there are numerous problems with transset and family right now, that is why it's not in debian. run glxgears, if your not getting framerates above 50, your video card either not 3d or the proper driver isn't supported. See nvidia, ATI, preferably nvidia. I have an ATI radeon 9250 (the latest on with open source drivers). With a rate of about 900+, the transparency is *very* slow. I tried to use fglrx but didnt manage to load the module. So ATI doesnt seem to be the good choice for transparency... for the moment. But as transparency is not a need for me, I run without it. My choice was Nvidia fx5200 before ATI 9250, since nvidia has better support for composite. I suppose this is why nvidia is faster than ati cards. More, the Composite option should be disabled in xorg.conf if you dont want xmms to crash when running double sised and without this option there is no chance to have transparency to work (or at least I didnt manage to get it) Jean-Luc __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT?] LVM questions - I have seriously screwed my system
Thanks for the reply and explanation. I understand better now. Are you sure that Debian takes care of mounting the new LVM share on boot? It didn't work for me. From what I have read online you have to create your own startup script. I had LVM set up successfully on my new HD, copied all the data over from the old one and then tried to extend LVM to include the new one. Unfortunately I made one typo and now I think I have screwed things up. Here is what I did: ... NOTE - sda = old HD, sdb = new HD set up with LVM . $ pvcreate /dev/sda2 Physical volume /dev/sda2 successfully created $ vgextend media_vg /dev/sda2 Volume group media_vg successfully extended Then I tried to set up sda according to instructions on a web site, but I wrote the wrong device without noticing $ fdisk /dev/sdb Command (m for help): t Selected partition 1 Hex code (type L to list codes): 8e Changed system type of partition 1 to 8e (Linux LVM) Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/sdb: 251.0 GB, 251000193024 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30515 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 1 30515 245111706 8e Linux LVM Command (m for help): w The partition table has been altered! Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy. The kernel still uses the old table. The new table will be used at the next reboot. Syncing disks. So, am I totally screwed or can I recover the data and save everything? The situation before, was that the data was mirrored on both sda and sdb (sdb mounted as LVM at /mnt/media). But I now see that I inadvertantly changed the partition type of sdb (when I intended sda). So I assume that is a lost cause. (?) Is there anything I can do now to recover? Craig
Re: Segfaults as non-root user
segfaults that I see are reproducable. Are there any suggestions or workarounds? Maybe you can try this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/10/msg5.html Gilles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get error
Hi, I am stuck in another viscious one, 'dpkg --remove belocs-locales-data dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of belocs-locales-data: belocs-locales-bin depends on belocs-locales-data. localeconf depends on locales; however: Package locales is not installed. Package belocs-locales-data which provides locales is to be removed. dpkg: error processing belocs-locales-data (--remove): dependency problems - not removing Errors were encountered while processing: belocs-locales-data debian1:/home/mbpssgms# dpkg --remove belocs-locales-bin dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of belocs-locales-bin: belocs-locales-data depends on belocs-locales-bin. dpkg: error processing belocs-locales-bin (--remove): dependency problems - not removing Errors were encountered while processing: belocs-locales-bin' Can anyone herlp me remove this? On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 14:05 +0200, Giacomo Mulas wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Dr Gavin Seddon wrote: Hi, now I get, 'dpkg -i locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb dpkg: regarding locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb containing locales: belocs-locales-data conflicts with locales locales (version 2.3.5-7) is to be installed. dpkg: error processing locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb (--install): conflicting packages - not installing locales Errors were encountered while processing: locales_2.3.5-7_all.deb ' can you advise? I never used belocs-locales, I have no idea what it is for, my guess is that it probably is not essential to the system, while locales is. If I were you, I would remove belocs-locales-data, and possibly other packages depending on it, and install locales. But be careful with it... bye Giacomo -- _ Giacomo Mulas [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ OSSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO DI CAGLIARI Str. 54, Loc. Poggio dei Pini * 09012 Capoterra (CA) Tel. (OAC): +39 070 71180 248 Fax : +39 070 71180 222 Tel. (UNICA): +39 070 675 4916 _ When the storms are raging around you, stay right where you are (Freddy Mercury) _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT?] LVM questions - I have seriously screwed my system
Craig Hagerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy. The kernel still uses the old table. The new table will be used at the next reboot. Syncing disks. This just means what is says. The disk is in use and the kernel can not reread the partition table. You have to reboot to do that. So, am I totally screwed or can I recover the data and save everything? The situation before, was that the data was mirrored on both sda and sdb (sdb mounted as LVM at /mnt/media). But I now see that I inadvertantly changed the partition type of sdb (when I intended sda). So I assume that is a lost cause. (?) Is there anything I can do now to recover? Actually I don't think there is anything you need to recover from. You have set the partition type of sdb1 to LVM and that is what it should be. That is assuming that you used sdb1 as PV and not sdb. Now you just need to do the same for sda2 and you should be fine. Reboot after that. Debian will activate the VG but it will not mount the LVs automatically. You still have to add them to /etc/fstab. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT?] LVM questions - I have seriously screwed my system
Debian will activate the VG but it will not mount the LVs automatically. You still have to add them to /etc/fstab. If you're using root-on-lvm you may also need to regenerate your initrd before rebooting. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg transparency and shadows
Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have an ATI radeon 9250 (the latest on with open source drivers). With a rate of about 900+, the transparency is *very* slow. I tried this yesterday on radeon 9200 (using 32 bit Debian). What I found is fglrx doesn't have the Xdamage extension implemented so xcompmgr won't run. I was able to get the free radeon driver working with Xdamage and XComposite extensions turned on: Section Extensions Option Composite enabled Option DAMAGE enabled EndSection Note the capitalization. I also stuck in RENDER and XFIXES for good measure. This did give me transparency but as you note it was dead slow. It also didn't redraw the desktop background correctly (left trails) when windows were moved around. So, yeah, ATI is not in good shape for this latest whiz bang feature. Too bad all my laptops use ATI chips -Brett. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kdelibs4!
Hello! Anyone knows something about kdelibs4? it's several months that i've this unmet dependence and would like to know (if is possible) when it'll be fixed. I basically need it to install softwares like rosegarden4 :-) thanks, michele -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
acidrip: doesnt work with latest versions of mencoder
Hi, The latest versions of mencoder (cvs) that are newer than 20051011 (for me) dont dont accept the -xvidencopts suboption which is used by acidrip, typically with something like: -xvidencopts :bitrate=759:pass=2 ... Is there any way to use latest version of mencoder with acidrip? Regards Jean-Luc pgpEABGCXbBlF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: acidrip: doesnt work with latest versions of mencoder
Le 19.10.2005 20:58:13, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) a écrit : Hi, The latest versions of mencoder (cvs) that are newer than 20051011 (for me) dont dont accept the -xvidencopts suboption which is used by acidrip, typically with something like: -xvidencopts :bitrate=759:pass=2 ... *** In fact the proble seems to be here: there is nothing before bitrate but the leading ':' is still here. Older versionq of mencoder accept this syntax. Is there any way to use latest version of mencoder with acidrip? Regards J-L pgpG1wFSXn7WE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: acidrip: doesnt work with latest versions of mencoder
Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
Hi,
The latest versions of mencoder (cvs) that are newer than 20051011 (for
me) dont dont accept the -xvidencopts suboption which is used by
acidrip, typically with something like:
-xvidencopts :bitrate=759:pass=2 ...
Yes, the ':' before bitrate is a syntax error. I don't know if earlier
versions of mencoder were tolerant of that.
In any case, you'd be best off contacting Chris Phillips, the author of
acidrip. His address is listed at the bottom of the acidrip file (the
perl script itself). Just use a text editor and scroll to the end. Or,
if you want to be fancy, use 'perldoc acidrip'.
-Corey
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Re: acidrip: doesnt work with latest versions of mencoder
Le 19.10.2005 21:15:33, Corey Hickey a écrit :
Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
Hi,
The latest versions of mencoder (cvs) that are newer than 20051011
(for
me) dont dont accept the -xvidencopts suboption which is used by
acidrip, typically with something like:
-xvidencopts :bitrate=759:pass=2 ...
Yes, the ':' before bitrate is a syntax error. I don't know if earlier
versions of mencoder were tolerant of that.
yes, I managed to write an avi file with cvs20051011
In any case, you'd be best off contacting Chris Phillips, the author
of
acidrip. His address is listed at the bottom of the acidrip file (the
perl script itself). Just use a text editor and scroll to the end. Or,
if you want to be fancy, use 'perldoc acidrip'.
Well, I've opended a bug on sourceforge.
I think this works also ?
-Corey
Jean-Luc
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Re: acidrip: doesnt work with latest versions of mencoder
Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
me) dont dont accept the -xvidencopts suboption which is used by
acidrip, typically with something like:
-xvidencopts :bitrate=759:pass=2 ...
Yes, the ':' before bitrate is a syntax error. I don't know if earlier
versions of mencoder were tolerant of that.
I don't know perl, but I can see what's going on.
Line 221 of AcidRip/acidrip.pm:
$menc{'video'} = -ovc xvid -xvidencopts
$::settings-{'xvid_options'}:bitrate=$::settings-{'video
_bitrate'};
xvid_options is empty, leaving only the ':'. Mencoder accepts a trailing
':', so you ought to be able to just reorder that line, putting
xvid_options at the end. Try the attached patch. If that fixes the
xvidencopts part, you might have to follow my example for some of the
other nearby lines in AcidRip/acidrip.pm.
-Corey
diff -aur acidrip-0.14.orig/AcidRip/acidrip.pm acidrip-0.14/AcidRip/acidrip.pm
--- acidrip-0.14.orig/AcidRip/acidrip.pm2004-07-25 07:03:09.0
-0700
+++ acidrip-0.14/AcidRip/acidrip.pm 2005-10-19 13:37:57.0 -0700
@@ -218,7 +218,7 @@
$menc{'video'} .= :pass=$::settings-{'video_pass'} if
$::settings-{'video_passes'} 1;
}
if ( $::settings-{'video_codec'} eq 'xvid' ) {
-$menc{'video'} = -ovc xvid -xvidencopts
$::settings-{'xvid_options'}:bitrate=$::settings-{'video_bitrate'};
+$menc{'video'} = -ovc xvid -xvidencopts
bitrate=$::settings-{'video_bitrate'}:$::settings-{'xvid_options'};
$menc{'video'} .= :pass=$::settings-{'video_pass'} if
$::settings-{'video_passes'} 1;
}
if ( $::settings-{'video_codec'} eq 'nuv' ) {
Re: Re: mozilla-firefox, kphone, and fvwm
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:25:06 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try another wm if that work try reinstalling fvwm, this could do the work. As I said in the email, it works without a WM. I haven't tried any other WMs because I haven't got the time (to clean up after GNOME and suchlike). I'm sure it's fvwm on pure64 because kphone behaves the same if I run it on another machine (with the pure64 machine displaying it on its screen) on which, when run on the local X server, it works fine. The same applies to Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird -- if I run them on a different machine on which they work fine, the same thing happens (no window). Reinstalling fvwm? Yes, I tried that, though I can't imagine how this Windows-style action could make any difference (it doesn't even need global configuration files because I have my own set). In any case, it doesn't change anything. Hi Andras, I've been seeing exactly the same firefox issue on my amd64 system. After a few days of trying to track it down (trying a combination of window managers and chroot setups), it seems that upstream have already fixed it along with some other 64-bit issues. I'm now running a backported amd64 version of fvwm 2.5.14 with an i386 chrooted firefox here, and all works fine. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.[EMAIL PROTECTED] We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Slashdot Article - Why Won't Macromedia Release 64-bit Flash?
It may be of interest to those on this list that there is a slashdot thread http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/19/1959200 started this afternoon on the topic of Macromedia's refusal to develop a solution for Flash on 64-bit Linux. Since it is simply an Ask Slashdot, there is no news per se, but the comments may be interesting nonetheless. For those of you who do not feel like browsing through the comments, I would like to humbly point out mine http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=165807cid=13830331 in particular. In it I reference a generic letter which I have created to send to websites who require Flash, which, of course, those of us running in a pure64 environment cannot use. At the risk of being redundant to those who may have already seen it, I'd like to provide a link to that letter http://arctangent.net/~formatc/amd64flash.html for those of you interested in having something on-hand to send to the websites that choose to stop you in your Flash-less tracks. It may never prove to be a large enough campaign to solicit a turnabout from any webmasters, but it could at least make the issue heard.
Re: Slashdot Article - Why Won't Macromedia Release 64-bit Flash?
couldn't you apt-build an i386 version of it? Or is the source not public? In any case, wouldn't it be possible to re-label the i386 version amd64, since the processor will run it natively anyway? I say that because in my experience the only way to change the distro's architecture identification is to reinstall - not a good idea if you still want to use amd64 stuff. On 10/19/05, Jeffrey Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may be of interest to those on this list that there is a slashdot thread http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/19/1959200 started this afternoon on the topic of Macromedia's refusal to develop a solution for Flash on 64-bit Linux. Since it is simply an Ask Slashdot, there is no news per se, but the comments may be interesting nonetheless. of great interest. I've been denied lots of web content b/c flash won't install, so I've had to resort to my laptop. For those of you who do not feel like browsing through the comments, I would like to humbly point out mine http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=165807cid=13830331 in particular. In it I reference a generic letter which I have created to send to websites who require Flash, which, of course, those of us running in a pure64 environment cannot use. At the risk of being redundant to those who may have already seen it, I'd like to provide a link to that letter http://arctangent.net/~formatc/amd64flash.html for those of you interested in having something on-hand to send to the websites that choose to stop you in your Flash-less tracks. The way I read you, you're campaigning to remove all flash content from every web site - not going to happen in a million years. You'd be better off campaigning for a amd64 version. Plus Flash adds too much content to the web to safely dispose of - many sites would be rendered much less interesting... though just think of all the bandwidth we'd save It may never prove to be a large enough campaign to solicit a turnabout from any webmasters, but it could at least make the issue heard. Nay, I think what we need to do is find a way to use the existing i386 version on our amd64 machines, since all amd64 arch chips can run i386 with no penalty (no wonder why I'm borderline on blind loyalty to AMD - whenever I buy AMD, I always get far more than my money's worth!) I don't know if it's possible, but it's something to think about. -- === GCB v3.1 === GCS d-(+) s+:- a? C+() UL+++() P L++(+++) E- W+(+++) N++ w--- M++ PS-- PE Y+ PGP- t++(+++) 5? X? R !tv-- b++ DI+++ D-- G !e h(*) !r x--- === EGCB v3.1 ===
Re: apt-get error
On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 01:43:16PM +, Dr Gavin Seddon wrote: list eb ftp://debian.inode.at/debian-amd64/debian/ sid main contribapt-get install locale locale Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: Couldn't find package locale Thanks. apt-cache search keyword -- Chris. == Reproduction if desired may be handled locally. -- rfc3 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compiling a kernel module. gcc-3.3 vs. gcc-3.4
On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 12:42:11PM +0100, James Hansen wrote: [..] When building, it offered up a few warnings about casting ints to different sizes to pointers. Because of this I was expecting it to just segfault the kernel, but it seems to insert without incident. I'll look at these errors later, when stuff starts to break :) [..] Warnings are not errors. Things will normally work with a warning but tend not to work on an error. -- Chris. == Reproduction if desired may be handled locally. -- rfc3 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virus Scanner 64 bits version ??
On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 07:35:21PM -0500, Mike Dobbs wrote: Nothing is impossible! Yes linux as a non-root user is very secure especially today, but you should still have an idea of what you are running. That's why debian repositories are great, gpg signed, and maintained by good people. I think there are some virus scanner that run on linux, but don't waste your time. Linux is too secure, or too small of market (depending on the view) to get any real viruses as of yet. MD I used to think that as well. Apparently most distributions are not secure *out of the box*. It takes more work/skill to secure Linux than it does to secure Windows XP. Hence there are probably more secure XP installations out there than Linux boxes. Viruses and spyware are another matter. That is my understanding. Of course I may be wrong, but it is probably the best way to lean. :-) -- Chris. == Reproduction if desired may be handled locally. -- rfc3 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT?] LVM questions - I have seriously screwed my system
On 10/20/05, Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This just means what is says. The disk is in use and the kernel can not reread the partition table. You have to reboot to do that. Unfortunately I did reboot before I noticed the typo. After the reboot neither disc can be seen. Actually I don't think there is anything you need to recover from. You have set the partition type of sdb1 to LVM and that is what it should be. That is assuming that you used sdb1 as PV and not sdb. But sdb1 had ALREADY been set up. Actually I had formatted it with ext3, then followed the howto (pvcreate, vgcreate, lvcreate, mount) to set up LVM and then copied all my old data over. So I then set the partition type to LVM on a disc that already was set up with a VG, LV. ...now vgdisplay gives me $ vgdisplay Couldn't find device with uuid 'ZHl4Ak-mGS4-wFlF-4neF-G1Ed-GxWB-C4Smj6'. Couldn't find all physical volumes for volume group media_vg. Couldn't find device with uuid 'ZHl4Ak-mGS4-wFlF-4neF-G1Ed-GxWB-C4Smj6'. Couldn't find all physical volumes for volume group media_vg. Volume group media_vg doesn't exist ...but pvdisplay gives me encouraging news. I just don't know what to do with this information to try to recover. $ pvdisplay Couldn't find device with uuid 'ZHl4Ak-mGS4-wFlF-4neF-G1Ed-GxWB-C4Smj6'. --- Physical volume --- PV Name /dev/sdb1 VG Name media_vg PV Size 233.75 GB / not usable 0 Allocatable yes PE Size (KByte) 4096 Total PE 59841 Free PE 193 Allocated PE 59648 PV UUID rlnV4y-B4eJ-Pyc0-RLJm-2Zbv-t04C-dxzU1A --- Physical volume --- PV Name unknown device VG Name media_vg PV Size 186.30 GB / not usable 0 Allocatable yes PE Size (KByte) 4096 Total PE 47694 Free PE 47694 Allocated PE 0 PV UUID ZHl4Ak-mGS4-wFlF-4neF-G1Ed-GxWB-C4Smj6
Re: Slashdot Article - Why Won't Macromedia Release 64-bit Flash?
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 09:00 pm, lordSauron wrote: couldn't you apt-build an i386 version of it? Or is the source not public? In any case, wouldn't it be possible to re-label the i386 version amd64, since the processor will run it natively anyway? I say that because in my experience the only way to change the distro's architecture identification is to reinstall - not a good idea if you still want to use amd64 stuff. He wishes to use it in a pure-64 environment. You're asking him to install and load a bunch of compatibility libraries just to do webmasters the favor of viewing their content. Plus, it's not enough to have the plugin run as i386. Your browser must also be a 32-bit application, which causes other problems, among them the inability (or at least added complexity) of using your packaging system. I know this applies to Firefox, I think 64-bit Konqueror can use 32-bit Flash. The way I read you, you're campaigning to remove all flash content from every web site - not going to happen in a million years. You'd be better off campaigning for a amd64 version. Plus Flash adds too much content to the web to safely dispose of - many sites would be rendered much less interesting... though just think of all the bandwidth we'd save I think you're right that that's not going to happen, as nice as it might be. But why not state our position? And why not agitate for both? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slashdot Article - Why Won't Macromedia Release 64-bit Flash?
On 10/19/05, lordSauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: couldn't you apt-build an i386 version of it? Or is the source not public? In any case, wouldn't it be possible to re-label the i386 version amd64, since the processor will run it natively anyway? I say that because in my experience the only way to change the distro's architecture identification is to reinstall - not a good idea if you still want to use amd64 stuff. The source is not public, and the file format is also proprietary. It has been the topic of much duress in various threads on this and other lists - re-labelling does not work, because a 64-bit browser would attempt to run it as a 64-bit plugin. If it ran as a separate process, it probably would work. But process-independent plugins are just a pipe dream. of great interest. I've been denied lots of web content b/c flash won't install, so I've had to resort to my laptop. I don't have an alternate, so anything with Flash waits until work the next day. Usually by then I lose interest. I'm not so much campaigning for goals of my own convenience, but rather making those that may be interested aware that their website may be failing to provide for an important demographic. The way I read you, you're campaigning to remove all flash content from every web site - not going to happen in a million years. You'd be better off campaigning for a amd64 version. Plus Flash adds too much content to the web to safely dispose of - many sites would be rendered much less interesting... though just think of all the bandwidth we'd save I'm not campaigning for removal all Flash content. I'm campaigning for the availability of the content in a format other than Flash. This is akin to the goals of OpenDocument, except everyone has been using the already existing HTML-related open source formats for over a decade. For some odd reason, people willingly choose to abandon those completely. Instead, for many sites, the inverse of what you suggest is true - they are attempting to remove all non-Flash content. That is not only inaccessible to those people using a platform not supported by Macromedia, but it also inaccessible to those people who rely on screen readers or text enlargers to use their computer. Nay, I think what we need to do is find a way to use the existing i386 version on our amd64 machines, since all amd64 arch chips can run i386 with no penalty (no wonder why I'm borderline on blind loyalty to AMD - whenever I buy AMD, I always get far more than my money's worth!) I don't know if it's possible, but it's something to think about. Correct, it is possible, but as I already said in order to use the i386 binary plugin I need to run a i386 browser. I consider it the prerogative of the webmasters to provide me the means by which to view their content. I do not consider Flash a necessary component of a website, much like I do not consider images to be a necessary component. Granted, certain websites would be completely pointless without using images (i.e., Flickr), but many websites would also be completely useless without using plain text (i.e, Slashdot). Conversely, a given website should not be useless without Flash. Even if a website revolves around Flash (i.e., Shockwave.com), it should still provide me with some sort of basic text information. I have encountered a few websites since my switch to 64-bit that I am simply unable to use because of their dependency on Flash (i.e., fncb.com). I have seen many useful implementations of Flash as augmenting content, such as product demonstrations (i.e., adagio.com). As an alternative means of displaying information, it works very well. But the key word there is /alternative/. When websites use Flash to /replace/ their content, and offer no alternative, that is where inconveniences begin. An excellent example of using Flash as an alternative is SallieMae.com. It attempts to load a Flash plugin for a menu in the center of the page. When it notices that no Flash is installed, it redirects to an alternate page which uses Javascript to provide an onmouseover effect instead. Even in a browser without Javascript, their website is still navigable. Just don't misinterpret my goals with this - I do not intend to wipe Flash from existence. It is a useful tool, and quite powerful when it comes to providing animated content in a small package, but it should not be necessary for viewing simple text and images as many websites demand.
