nVidia, acpi, apic and PCI controller

2005-11-01 Thread Jonas Meurer
hello,

i fail to boot my amd64 server (nVidia chip) with kernel 2.6.12 or
2.6.14 and ACPI plus APIC support.
if i boot the kernel without any boot parameters, it hangs directly
after the beginning of boot process at some problems with the PCI
controller. it tells something like PCI32 ... failed ..., but i don't
remember the exact message.

if i use acpi=off as boot-parameter, the boot process stops later, at
detecting the sata harddisks.

only with 'acpi=off noapic' the kernel boots without problems.

is this a known issue? how can i fix it?

lspci gives the following output:

:00:00.0 Memory controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 Memory Controller (rev 
a3)
:00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 ISA Bridge (rev a3)
:00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation CK804 SMBus (rev a2)
:00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 USB Controller (rev a2)
:00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 USB Controller (rev a3)
:00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 IDE (rev f2)
:00:07.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev 
f3)
:00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev 
f3)
:00:09.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
:00:0c.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
:00:0d.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
:00:0e.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
:00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
HyperTransport Technology Configuration
:00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
Address Map
:00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
DRAM Controller
:00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
Miscellaneous Control
:00:19.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
HyperTransport Technology Configuration
:00:19.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
Address Map
:00:19.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
DRAM Controller
:00:19.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
Miscellaneous Control
:01:06.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+]
:01:08.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A 
IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link)
:01:09.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 
[SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02)
:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 
Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 11)

the full configuration in menu.lst for grub is:
---
default 0
timeout 5
serial --unit=0
terminal --timeout=6 console serial
color cyan/blue white/blue

title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.14-server03 without ACPI and APIC
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.14-server03 root=/dev/md1 ro bootkbd=qwertz/de acpi=off 
noapic
savedefault
boot
---

do you have any suggestions or hints?

...
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Re: nVidia, acpi, apic and PCI controller

2005-11-01 Thread Dean Hamstead

is that an nforce4? mine has ck804 also and is nforce4 but has nvraid
rather than sil.

but anyway yes it is a known issue but im sure it should be solved,
my board doesnt have the same problem so i thought it was.

that video card is comically old. it made me laugh thinking how
old that is compared to everything else.

Dean

Jonas Meurer wrote:

hello,

i fail to boot my amd64 server (nVidia chip) with kernel 2.6.12 or
2.6.14 and ACPI plus APIC support.
if i boot the kernel without any boot parameters, it hangs directly
after the beginning of boot process at some problems with the PCI
controller. it tells something like PCI32 ... failed ..., but i don't
remember the exact message.

if i use acpi=off as boot-parameter, the boot process stops later, at
detecting the sata harddisks.

only with 'acpi=off noapic' the kernel boots without problems.

is this a known issue? how can i fix it?

lspci gives the following output:

:00:00.0 Memory controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 Memory Controller (rev 
a3)
:00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 ISA Bridge (rev a3)
:00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation CK804 SMBus (rev a2)
:00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 USB Controller (rev a2)
:00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 USB Controller (rev a3)
:00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 IDE (rev f2)
:00:07.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev 
f3)
:00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev 
f3)
:00:09.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
:00:0c.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
:00:0d.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
:00:0e.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
:00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
HyperTransport Technology Configuration
:00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
Address Map
:00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
DRAM Controller
:00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
Miscellaneous Control
:00:19.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
HyperTransport Technology Configuration
:00:19.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
Address Map
:00:19.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
DRAM Controller
:00:19.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
Miscellaneous Control
:01:06.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+]
:01:08.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A 
IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link)
:01:09.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 
[SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02)
:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 
Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 11)

the full configuration in menu.lst for grub is:
---
default 0
timeout 5
serial --unit=0
terminal --timeout=6 console serial
color cyan/blue white/blue

title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.14-server03 without ACPI and APIC
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.14-server03 root=/dev/md1 ro bootkbd=qwertz/de acpi=off 
noapic
savedefault
boot
---

do you have any suggestions or hints?

...
 jonas




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Re: Best approach for a system that needs desktop apps and 64bit address space

2005-11-01 Thread Jo Shields

Nathan O. Siemers wrote:



   Which Nvidia drivers are you speaking of?  Graphics or Nforce 
ethernet, etc?


   I have had no problem compiling and using Nvidia graphics on my 64 
bit dual opteron system at work (Suse).



Remember what i said about moronic? Suse goes beyond moronic on its 
assumptions about amd64 and comes out the other side.


And how an amd64 Suse, or i386 Suse, behave aren't really relevant to 
i386 debian with amd64 kernel.



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Gxine / Xine chrashes

2005-11-01 Thread Tobias Krais
Hi together,

my gxine (Sid, amd64, all vanilla kernels) crashes very often. E.g. when
I want to listen to the German radio station swr3 or when I listen to
mp3's. Watching DVD's, it does not crash. Using gxine in chroot it does
not crash.

Starting gxine in a console window says:
-%-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gxine
lirc: lirc_init failed. Make sure that you have lircd running
lirc: and that you have the permissions to connect to the socket
Speicherzugriffsfehler
-%-


strace -e open gxine says:
-%-
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
-%-

Do you experience the same problem? If yes, how do you solve it? Or
should I write to xine-devel?

Greetings, Tobias


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Re: nVidia, acpi, apic and PCI controller

2005-11-01 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 01/11/2005 Dean Hamstead wrote:
 is that an nforce4? mine has ck804 also and is nforce4 but has nvraid
 rather than sil.

if you mean the mainboard, i've no idea. i didn't buy the hardware, i'm
just an administrator. 'lspci -v -s 00:00.0' gives:
:00:00.0 Memory controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 Memory Controller (rev 
a3)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc.: Unknown device 8162
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
Capabilities: [44] #08 [01e0]
Capabilities: [e0] #08 [a801]

it's an ASUS motherboard.

 but anyway yes it is a known issue but im sure it should be solved,
 my board doesnt have the same problem so i thought it was.

did you do a BIOS update. I remember that i read something about
problems with old ASUS bios versions. maybe that could help...

do you have any links/articles about that problem?

 that video card is comically old. it made me laugh thinking how
 old that is compared to everything else.

the video card in a server is perfectly irrelevant.

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Re: nVidia, acpi, apic and PCI controller

2005-11-01 Thread Dean Hamstead

i did update my bios but it had no effect on anything. i never
had that problem in the first place.
(btw im using a dfi-lanparty ut sli board, running sid)

http://atlas.et.tudelft.nl/verwei90/nforce2/index.html

there is plenty of information there.


Dean

Jonas Meurer wrote:

On 01/11/2005 Dean Hamstead wrote:


is that an nforce4? mine has ck804 also and is nforce4 but has nvraid
rather than sil.



if you mean the mainboard, i've no idea. i didn't buy the hardware, i'm
just an administrator. 'lspci -v -s 00:00.0' gives:
:00:00.0 Memory controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 Memory Controller (rev 
a3)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc.: Unknown device 8162
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
Capabilities: [44] #08 [01e0]
Capabilities: [e0] #08 [a801]

it's an ASUS motherboard.



but anyway yes it is a known issue but im sure it should be solved,
my board doesnt have the same problem so i thought it was.



did you do a BIOS update. I remember that i read something about
problems with old ASUS bios versions. maybe that could help...

do you have any links/articles about that problem?



that video card is comically old. it made me laugh thinking how
old that is compared to everything else.



the video card in a server is perfectly irrelevant.

...
 jonas




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Re: Best approach for a system that needs desktop apps and 64bit address space

2005-11-01 Thread pmarc
2005/10/31, Nathan O. Siemers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Which Nvidia drivers are you speaking of?  Graphics or Nforce
 ethernet, etc?

I thought is was clear that I was talking about the graphics card.

 I have had no problem compiling and using Nvidia graphics on my 64
 bit dual opteron system at work (Suse).

Neither had I on my i386 Debian at home or CentOS 64 at work. But,
they _are_ _completely_ _different_ from Debian 64
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Re: Gxine / Xine chrashes

2005-11-01 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Tobias Krais said:
 Hi together,
 
 my gxine (Sid, amd64, all vanilla kernels) crashes very often. E.g. when
 I want to listen to the German radio station swr3 or when I listen to
 mp3's. Watching DVD's, it does not crash. Using gxine in chroot it does
 not crash.
 
 Starting gxine in a console window says:
 -%-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gxine
 lirc: lirc_init failed. Make sure that you have lircd running
 lirc: and that you have the permissions to connect to the socket
 Speicherzugriffsfehler
 -%-

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328129

It is happening on many architectures.
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Re: 32 bit firefox on amd64 system

2005-11-01 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Nathan O. Siemers wrote:

 Related to recent threads (installation of flash on firefox, etc). 
 I've got a debootstrap ia32 system installed in /emul.  The intent is
 to install firefox (i386) from tarballs at mozilla.org and use it
 without chrooting.

If you created this chroot with debootstrap, why not install firefox
with apt?

Execute chroot /emul and from there run apt-get install
mozilla-firefox or whatever you prefer.

Then, to run it, use the setup described in the AMD64 HOWTO, using
dchroot and the simple wrapper script. I believe this to be much easier.

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Re: nVidia, acpi, apic and PCI controller

2005-11-01 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 01/11/2005 Dean Hamstead wrote:
 is that an nforce4? mine has ck804 also and is nforce4 but has nvraid
 rather than sil.

ok, i checked, and the chip finally is a nforce4 too. i'll check which
bios it has installed next. if it's older than Version 1004, i'll do a
bios update, and see if it helps.

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Re: nVidia, acpi, apic and PCI controller

2005-11-01 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 01/11/2005 Dean Hamstead wrote:
 i did update my bios but it had no effect on anything. i never
 had that problem in the first place.
 (btw im using a dfi-lanparty ut sli board, running sid)

this motherboard is an ASUS K8N-DL (dual cpu) with two opteron cpus.
let's see whether a bios update helps here.

...
 jonas


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Re: Best approach for a system that needs desktop apps and 64bit address space

2005-11-01 Thread Robert Isaac
 Hi all,

Hello


 what would be the best approach?

A completely 64-bit OS (Still not an option, but hey...)

 Install an ia32 system with 64SMP kernel
 or the whole 64 system with ia32 chroot?

I'd go with the 64 bit system with a 32 bit chroot, that way you can
take advantage of the hardware and still run the programs that you
need that haven't been ported / will not build / don't exist on AMD64.

If configured properly, your users will never know the difference.