Re: please summarize amd64 installation steps

2006-05-21 Thread Craig Hagerman

When I did a fresh install of Debian amd64 (couple years ago?) I
booted from a live CD (ubuntu has a 64 bit live CD) and did everything
from there. ie. partition the disk, create a chroot to where you want
the deb root partition, install debootstrap etc and go from there.

If you are that hesitant about doing an installation yourself, why
don't you just download a copy of Ubuntu for amd64. I have computers
running both. the differences are minor, but the installation is
completely painless with Ubuntu, whereas I have never been able to say
that about Debian. With Ubuntu the installation is pretty automated
and lots of things just work ... things that I have to fight to get
working in Debian (realplayer anyone?).

Craig


On 5/22/06, Francesco Pietra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all:
I have followed with particular attention in the last few days all issues on
this list related to amd64 debian installation. Just because I have now
finally everything ready for a fresh installation on a fresh ready
workstation equipped with Tyan K8WE S2895 (bearing video card Pixelview 6600
256M DDR DVI and a scsi card for external devices), a couple of dual amd64
opteron, and a couple of 300GB SATA HD.

For the benefit of poor guys like me who rarely carry out software
installations, could you please check my projected route, and its sequence,
for suitability/correctness?

1) Start with debian installer
Debian testing amd64 Bin-1/ISO9660 [93 MB] (CD-ROM waiting on my machine)
burned from
debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso [93.4 MB]
as downloaded yesterday from
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

2)Follow substantially a netinstall according to Roberto's howto
http://haydn.debian.org/~intero-guest/debian-amd64-howto.html

3)Establish raid1. To this regard, I am at "Today 21:19:28" directions by
Alexander Siek. I understand Alexander has positively answered all (nearly
all?) criticism by Goswin. However, I must confess that i use a pc with
debian testing/unstable but I never established a raid before. Therefore, I
only hope to be able to follow Alexander's indications but it would be better
for me to read before some general instructions as to establish a raid1. I
have none yet.

4)Install 32b applications into a chroot as indicated in both Roberto's howto
above and, for what I need, ie not sound) in
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356
without, however, following step
1.4) You also need a link to your 32bit linker in the /lib path:
 $ cd /lib
 $ ln -s /var/sid-386-chroot/lib/ld-linux.so.2 ld-linux.so.2
because I read somewhere that installed libraries are linked per se.

I hope the kernel provided supports my mainboard and I wish myself good luck.
But there cannot be good luck without some guidance. Thanks a lot

francesco pietra


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Re: sun-java5-plugin on amd64

2006-05-21 Thread Hans
Am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2006 23:04 schrieb Stephen Olander Waters:
> Anyone know when/if the sun-java5-plugin package will be supported under
> amd64?
>
> Thanks,
> -s

Look at www.tvbrowser.org, there you find:
deb http://www.geole.de/ sid main contrib non-free

regards

Hans


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Re: please summarize amd64 installation steps

2006-05-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Francesco Pietra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi all:
> I have followed with particular attention in the last few days all issues on 
> this list related to amd64 debian installation. Just because I have now 
> finally everything ready for a fresh installation on a fresh ready 
> workstation equipped with Tyan K8WE S2895 (bearing video card Pixelview 6600 
> 256M DDR DVI and a scsi card for external devices), a couple of dual amd64 
> opteron, and a couple of 300GB SATA HD.
>
> For the benefit of poor guys like me who rarely carry out software 
> installations, could you please check my projected route, and its sequence, 
> for suitability/correctness?
>
> 1) Start with debian installer
> Debian testing amd64 Bin-1/ISO9660 [93 MB] (CD-ROM waiting on my machine)
> burned from
> debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso [93.4 MB]
> as downloaded yesterday from
> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

If you can use sarge. That is the only one that will definetly work if
your hardware gets recognised.

> 2)Follow substantially a netinstall according to Roberto's howto
> http://haydn.debian.org/~intero-guest/debian-amd64-howto.html

Please try to follow the normal instructions from the Debian installer
itself and report on shortcomings of the official documentation. This
needs to be done by someone unfamiliar to spot things that are just
done unconsciously on your 100th installation.

> 3)Establish raid1. To this regard, I am at "Today 21:19:28" directions by 
> Alexander Siek. I understand Alexander has positively answered all (nearly 
> all?) criticism by Goswin. However, I must confess that i use a pc with 
> debian testing/unstable but I never established a raid before. Therefore, I 
> only hope to be able to follow Alexander's indications but it would be better 
> for me to read before some general instructions as to establish a raid1. I 
> have none yet.

The D-I can instal directly onto raid. You just have to select manual
partitioning instead of a preset menu. Everything will be done for you
through the menus then. Everything except getting the other drives of
a raid1 to be bootable if you use grub.
  
> 4)Install 32b applications into a chroot as indicated in both Roberto's howto 
> above and, for what I need, ie not sound) in
> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356
> without, however, following step
> 1.4) You also need a link to your 32bit linker in the /lib path:
>  $ cd /lib
>  $ ln -s /var/sid-386-chroot/lib/ld-linux.so.2 ld-linux.so.2
> because I read somewhere that installed libraries are linked per se.

Don't link the ld, just install the ia32-libs or libc6-i386 package
that contain the ld and links directly. Anything else appears to cause
problems on future upgrades.

> I hope the kernel provided supports my mainboard and I wish myself good luck. 
> But there cannot be good luck without some guidance. Thanks a lot
>
> francesco pietra

MfG
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please summarize amd64 installation steps

2006-05-21 Thread Francesco Pietra
Hi all:
I have followed with particular attention in the last few days all issues on 
this list related to amd64 debian installation. Just because I have now 
finally everything ready for a fresh installation on a fresh ready 
workstation equipped with Tyan K8WE S2895 (bearing video card Pixelview 6600 
256M DDR DVI and a scsi card for external devices), a couple of dual amd64 
opteron, and a couple of 300GB SATA HD.

For the benefit of poor guys like me who rarely carry out software 
installations, could you please check my projected route, and its sequence, 
for suitability/correctness?

1) Start with debian installer
Debian testing amd64 Bin-1/ISO9660 [93 MB] (CD-ROM waiting on my machine)
burned from
debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso [93.4 MB]
as downloaded yesterday from
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

2)Follow substantially a netinstall according to Roberto's howto
http://haydn.debian.org/~intero-guest/debian-amd64-howto.html

3)Establish raid1. To this regard, I am at "Today 21:19:28" directions by 
Alexander Siek. I understand Alexander has positively answered all (nearly 
all?) criticism by Goswin. However, I must confess that i use a pc with 
debian testing/unstable but I never established a raid before. Therefore, I 
only hope to be able to follow Alexander's indications but it would be better 
for me to read before some general instructions as to establish a raid1. I 
have none yet.
 
4)Install 32b applications into a chroot as indicated in both Roberto's howto 
above and, for what I need, ie not sound) in
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356
without, however, following step
1.4) You also need a link to your 32bit linker in the /lib path:
 $ cd /lib
 $ ln -s /var/sid-386-chroot/lib/ld-linux.so.2 ld-linux.so.2
because I read somewhere that installed libraries are linked per se.

I hope the kernel provided supports my mainboard and I wish myself good luck. 
But there cannot be good luck without some guidance. Thanks a lot

francesco pietra


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sun-java5-plugin on amd64

2006-05-21 Thread Stephen Olander Waters
Anyone know when/if the sun-java5-plugin package will be supported under
amd64?

Thanks,
-s



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Re: Running a 64-bit kernel and a pure 32-bit userspace

2006-05-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Fernando J. Rodríguez (Herr Groucho)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi!
> I upgraded my IA32 system's CPU running Debian Etch with an Ahlon64 
> processor.
> After tracking the current state of affairs of amd64 on Debian, I 
> concluded it is not worth the trouble of reinstalling the operating 
> system and applications and get issues with OpenOffice, partly 
> mplayer, some binary-only games (Quake4, Enemy Territory), some 
> proprietary applications (Skype, Cross Over, Flahs plugin), and some 
> proprietary kernel drivers.
>
> I also dislike very much the idea of having a 32-bit chroot for those 
> applications, so what I would like to have is a "standard" 64-bit 
> kernel capable of runing both 32-bit a 64-bit applications, and a 
> pure 32-bits userspace (preferably my current Debian Etch IA32 
> system).
>
> Is that possible and usefull?

apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-amd64 (or something like that) in sarge.

> I've seen messages on this list from people saying they were running 
> amd64-k8 kernels on 32-bit Sarge [1], but the only "k8" linux-image 
> packages I'm able to find in packages.debian.org are like [2], for 
> the "amd64" dpkg's architecture, so my current i386 dpkg refuses to 
> install it.

You can just --force-architecture.

> Are there somewhere "i386" packages of a Linux kernel for AMD64 
> processors running in long mode? Or even in legacy mode?
>
> [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/10/msg00769.html
> [2] 
> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/linux-image-2.6.16-1-amd64-k8
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Please CC: me in replies, because I'm not (yet?) subscribed to the 
> list.

MfG
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Re: Running a 64-bit kernel and a pure 32-bit userspace

2006-05-21 Thread Jo Shields

Fernando J. Rodríguez (Herr Groucho) wrote:


Hi!
I upgraded my IA32 system's CPU running Debian Etch with an Ahlon64 
processor.
After tracking the current state of affairs of amd64 on Debian, I 
concluded it is not worth the trouble of reinstalling the operating 
system and applications and get issues with OpenOffice, partly 
mplayer, some binary-only games (Quake4, Enemy Territory), some 
 



Games are fine without a chroot - as long as your 3D hardware behaves 
(e.g. i play Quake 4 fine)


proprietary applications (Skype, Cross Over, Flahs plugin), and some 
proprietary kernel drivers.


I also dislike very much the idea of having a 32-bit chroot for those 
applications, so what I would like to have is a "standard" 64-bit 
kernel capable of runing both 32-bit a 64-bit applications, and a 
pure 32-bits userspace (preferably my current Debian Etch IA32 
system).


Is that possible and usefull?

I've seen messages on this list from people saying they were running 
amd64-k8 kernels on 32-bit Sarge [1], but the only "k8" linux-image 
packages I'm able to find in packages.debian.org are like [2], for 
the "amd64" dpkg's architecture, so my current i386 dpkg refuses to 
install it.
Are there somewhere "i386" packages of a Linux kernel for AMD64 
processors running in long mode? Or even in legacy mode?
 



dpkg -i --force-architecture somekernel_amd64.deb


[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/10/msg00769.html
[2] 
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/linux-image-2.6.16-1-amd64-k8


Thanks in advance,

Please CC: me in replies, because I'm not (yet?) subscribed to the 
list.


 




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Re: install-mbr on amd64?

2006-05-21 Thread Alexander Sieck
Hello,

I now tested RAID1 together with grub by unplugging the
1st disk (to be sure, I tested with the 2nd as well).

As you can read further up in this thread I did
run 'grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sdb' to install
the boot-loader in the MBR of the 2nd disk /dev/sdb.

Then I halted the computer and unplugged the disk
connected to the SATA0 port.
The system booted without problem and /proc/mdstat
displays only 1 active device in the RAID1:
# BEGIN-CLI
deb64a:~$ cat tmp/mdstat_unplug0.txt 
Personalities : [raid1] 
md3 : active raid1 sda6[1]
  106896384 blocks [2/1] [_U]

md2 : active raid1 sda5[1]
  46877568 blocks [2/1] [_U]

md1 : active raid1 sda2[1]
  1951808 blocks [2/1] [_U]

md0 : active raid1 sda1[1]
  64128 blocks [2/1] [_U]

unused devices: 
# END-CLI

After halting the system I plugged the SATA0 disk in again
and booted.
I had to hot add the sda? partitions to the RAID1 with mdadm:
# BEGIN-CLI
deb64a:~# mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda1
mdadm: hot added /dev/sda1
deb64a:~# mdadm /dev/md1 -a /dev/sda2
mdadm: hot added /dev/sda2
deb64a:~# mdadm /dev/md2 -a /dev/sda5
mdadm: hot added /dev/sda5
deb64a:~# mdadm /dev/md3 -a /dev/sda6
mdadm: hot added /dev/sda6
# END-CLI

It takes about 40 min to rebuild the 100 GB /dev/md3.
After that /proc/mdstat shows a clean RAID1:
# BEGIN-CLI
deb64a:# cat tmp/mdstat_ok.txt 
Personalities : [raid1] 
md3 : active raid1 sda6[0] sdb6[1]
  106896384 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md2 : active raid1 sda5[0] sdb5[1]
  46877568 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md1 : active raid1 sda2[0] sdb2[1]
  1951808 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1]
  64128 blocks [2/2] [UU]

unused devices: 
# END-CLI

Then I repeated the same, but this time I unplugged the disk
connected to the SATA1 port. The system did boot without problems.

Comparing the output of dmesg after unplugging SATA0 vs. SATA1
shows that I unplugged different disks each time:
# BEGIN-CLI
deb64a:~$ diff tmp/dmesg_unplug[01].txt | grep 'sd[ab]' 
#< SCSI device sda: 312581808 512-byte hdwr sectors (160042 MB)
#> SCSI device sda: 312579695 512-byte hdwr sectors (160041 MB)
#< SCSI device sda: 312581808 512-byte hdwr sectors (160042 MB)
#> SCSI device sda: 312579695 512-byte hdwr sectors (160041 MB)
#< sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda
#> sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda
# END-CLI

Another proof is the output of mdadm -D /dev/md0' after the reboot
with readded disk but before doing the hot add:
# BEGIN-CLI
deb64a:# cat tmp/mdadm_replug0.txt | tail -n 3
Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
   0   00-  removed
   1   8   171  active  sync   /dev/sdb1
deb64a:# cat tmp/mdadm_replug1.txt | tail -n 3
Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
   0   810  active  sync   /dev/sda1
   1   00-  removed
# END-CLI

As written before, the MBRs on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are not identical.
# BEGIN-CLI
deb64a:~# dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | od -v | head -n 8
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes (512 B) copied, 2.1e-05 seconds, 24.4 MB/s
000 044353 150220 000274 175574 003520 017520 137374 076033
020 015677 050006 134527 000745 122363 136713 003676 002261
040 067070 076000 072411 101423 010305 172342 014315 172613
060 143203 044420 014564 026070 173164 132640 132007 001003
100 000377 02 01 00 001000 110372 173220 100302
120 001165 100262 054752 000174 030400 107300 107330 136320
140 02 120373 076100 177474 001164 141210 137122 076577
160 032350 173001 100302 052164 040664 125273 146525 055023
deb64a:~# dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 | od -v | head -n 8
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes (512 B) copied, 2.2e-05 seconds, 23.3 MB/s
000 044353 010220 150216 000274 134260 00 154216 140216
020 137373 076000 000277 134406 001000 122363 020752 06
040 137000 003676 002070 005565 143203 100420 177376 072407
060 165763 132026 130002 135401 076000 100262 072212 001003
100 000377 02 01 00 001000 110372 173220 100302
120 001165 100262 054752 000174 030400 107300 107330 136320
140 02 120373 076100 177474 001164 141210 137122 076577
160 032350 173001 100302 052164 040664 125273 146525 055023
# END-CLI


On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 05:21:17PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Alexander Sieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > That is, also after changing sda to sdb in device.map, the
> > two MBRs are not identical.
> >
> > Maybe Goswin, or somebody else who enabled booting from both
> > disks with RAID1 and grub, can give the output of
> > 'dd if=xxx[ab] bs=512 count=1 | od' on their system.
> 
> I just dded the mbr from sda to all raid devices making them identical
> the last time I installed.
> 
After knowing that both disks are bootable with non identical
MBRs, now it would be interesting to see, whether dd'ing
the MBR of the 1st disk to the other disks also works.
I leave this test for somebody else:

Running a 64-bit kernel and a pure 32-bit userspace

2006-05-21 Thread Fernando J. Rodríguez (Herr Groucho)
Hi!
I upgraded my IA32 system's CPU running Debian Etch with an Ahlon64 
processor.
After tracking the current state of affairs of amd64 on Debian, I 
concluded it is not worth the trouble of reinstalling the operating 
system and applications and get issues with OpenOffice, partly 
mplayer, some binary-only games (Quake4, Enemy Territory), some 
proprietary applications (Skype, Cross Over, Flahs plugin), and some 
proprietary kernel drivers.

I also dislike very much the idea of having a 32-bit chroot for those 
applications, so what I would like to have is a "standard" 64-bit 
kernel capable of runing both 32-bit a 64-bit applications, and a 
pure 32-bits userspace (preferably my current Debian Etch IA32 
system).

Is that possible and usefull?

I've seen messages on this list from people saying they were running 
amd64-k8 kernels on 32-bit Sarge [1], but the only "k8" linux-image 
packages I'm able to find in packages.debian.org are like [2], for 
the "amd64" dpkg's architecture, so my current i386 dpkg refuses to 
install it.
Are there somewhere "i386" packages of a Linux kernel for AMD64 
processors running in long mode? Or even in legacy mode?

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/10/msg00769.html
[2] 
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/linux-image-2.6.16-1-amd64-k8

Thanks in advance,

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Re: install-mbr on amd64?

2006-05-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Alexander Sieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> That is, also after changing sda to sdb in device.map, the
> two MBRs are not identical.
>
> Maybe Goswin, or somebody else who enabled booting from both
> disks with RAID1 and grub, can give the output of
> 'dd if=xxx[ab] bs=512 count=1 | od' on their system.

I just dded the mbr from sda to all raid devices making them identical
the last time I installed.

>> > I did not unplug or replugged the HDs, but I changed the
>> > HD boot order in the BIOS, from IDE-channel2, -channel3 to
>> > IDE-channel3, -channel2, and can boot in both cases.
>> 
>> Is that the same as removing a disk or does that preserve sda as hd0
>> and sdb as hd1 and just boot from hd1?
>> 
> I also think, that unplugging the 1st disk, is the only hard test
> (and even that may not be sufficient to simulate a real crash).

If a disk fails the system should keep running. Thats the point of
raid after all. So when you do reboot it will usualy be to replace the
disk. So I'm not much concerned if the system is still bootable with a
broken disk still connected. It is likely the bios won't like that at
all no matter what the MBR looks like.

> Since the time I installed my system a couple of months ago, I would
> like to test, how much work it will be to recover from a disk-crash.
> So I am willing to test it the hard way by unplugging the 1st
> disk. But this might take some time. Before doing that, I will
> do a backup and figure out how to synchronize the RAID afterwards.

Install qemu, install a base system with raid1 inside it, start qemu
with just harddisk file.

> This sub-thread fits better to debian-user or debian-boot, since it is
> absolutely not related to amd64. Maybe there the chance is higher
> to get people involved which already tested booting from the 2nd disk.
> Maybe Goswin can report, if he unplugged it.

Haven't rebooted once after installation yet.

> I will inform you after the unplug test, if I do not shoot in my own
> toe and mess up my system:-). It is my private machine and not a
> production server, therefore it is not really critical, but I do
> not want to spent too much time.
>
> Alexander

MfG
Goswin


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Re: X700 + fglrx + debian-amd64 + xorg7.0 = running ?

2006-05-21 Thread Andrea Bertagna
Thank you!
I did (almost) exactly what you said, and everything is working
well, now. Before using Flavio's deb-src repository, I was trying
to install drivers by using ATI's official installer, but it was probably
outdated (or buggy).

Thank you again,
bye

Andrea



On Saturday 20 May 2006 23:08, Meshach Mitchell wrote:
> Hi
>
> On 5/19/06, Andrea Bertagna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> > I have the same problem with an Acer Aspire 5024WLMi (Radeon
> > X700). After upgrading to xorg 7 my old fglrx stopped working,
> > as expected, but I'm not even able to let xserver-xorg-video-ati
> > driver work: X starts regularly (all processes are running as they
> > should) but the screen is blank.
>
> It's not quite an X700, but I got a 9800Pro SE working with xorg 7.0,
> maybe you can give it a try (you'll need some debian developer packages,
> and kernel headers and the 'kernel-package' package if you want 3d accel)
> as root, do:
>
> # echo "deb-src http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/ /" >>
> /etc/apt/sources.list
> # apt-get source fglrx-driver
> # apt-get build-dep fglrx-driver
> # cd fglrx-driver-8.24.8 (this is the version at the time of writing,
> substite with whatever
>  version you find yourself with)
> # debian/rules binary
> # cd ..
> # dpkg -i fglrx-driver_8.24.8-2_amd64.deb
> # dpkg -i fglrx-control_8.24.8-2_amd64.deb (don't really need this)
> # dpkg -i fglrx-kernel-src_8.24.8-2_amd64.deb (if you want 3d accel)
> # dpkg -i fglrx-driver-dev_8.24.8-2_amd64.deb (don't really need this
> either)
>
> this should get you at least in X, for 3d accel, do the rest:
>
> # cd /usr/src/
> # tar -xvjf fglrx.tar.bz2
> # cd linux-headers-2.6.x-x-... (whatever)
> # make-kpkg modules
> # cd..
> # dpkg -i 
>
> then in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, in the 'Device' section
> change the driver line to:
>
> driver "fglrx"
>
> then restart X, and you should be good to go (there is an ugly
> hack advertised where you install the driver package using
> --force-overwrite and then dpkg-divert libGL.so. This worked
> for 32-bit but it won't for 64.
>
> How long should we wait for an Ati serious support?
>
>
> Don't hold your breath,  my next video card in an NVidia for
> sure, for this reason entirely. I've seen _TONS_ more linux
> support from NVidia that I've ever seen from ATI, in fact, more
> recently, I get the feeling ATI is withdrawing the little suppport
> they /did/ give, for instance fglrxconfig, which helps to customize
> your xorg.conf for an ATI card, is no longer packaged along with
> their driver binaries.
>
> Bye
>
> > Andrea
> >
> > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 21:33, Fielder George Dowding wrote:
> > > Greetings Hans and everybody,
> > >
> > > I have an HP Presario zv6000 series (zv6201cl to be exact) which has an
> > > ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) video chip. I was able to use the
> > > proprietary ATI driver (fglrx) up through the 6.9 version of xorg. I
> > > never could get the ATI Control feature to work although it installed
> > > without complaint. I don't know about 3D effects having no applications
> > > (games?) that required such. I was satisfied with the screen resolution
> > > of 1280x800 that is native to the "widescreen" LCD monitor (13 inch;
> > > 333mm). The only other xorg (<=6.9) driver that would work was the VESA
> > > driver which produced 1024x768 resolution - horrible!
> > >
> > > I am running sid/unstable as I assume you are also. So, when the update
> > > to xorg 7.0 arrived, I found the old proprietary driver did not work.
> > > Actually, many things did not work. I had to do a completely new
> > > installation (separate /home partition so I lost nothing there). The
> > > move to the official Debian mirrors took place about that time, so I
> > > don't blame the disaster on the xorg upgrade alone. Never the less,
> > > when I got the new installation running, I found the ATI stuff (binary
> > > and source) would not work. So I was without a GUI for a week or so
> > > until the xserver-xorg-video-ati (6.5.8.0-1) module became available.
> > >
> > > xorg 7.x is apparently excuciatingly modular. Actually, I think this is
> > > the greatest thing since sliced bread. Unfortunately, the transition
> > > left me hanging out to dry for a week or ten days.
> > >
> > > The xserver-xorg-video-ati does not do 3D effects, so if that is what
> > > your are seeking, you will have to pursue the fglxr proprietary driver,
> > > at least for now. I do hope the xorg people (and the rest of us) can
> > > convince the ATI leadership that FOSS/GPL is the way to go.
> > >
> > > Grüße, fgd
> > >
> > > Hans wrote:
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > does anyone got Xorg7.0 and ATI Card X700 (or similar) with ATI´s
> >
> > "fglrx"
> >
> > > > driver running ? I do, but without acceleration. Does anyone have
> > > > acceleration got working on a pure 64-bit-system ?
> > > >
> > > > If yes, I would like to see his entries in xorg.conf.
> > > >
> > > > For me the driver works only wit

Upgrade hangs

2006-05-21 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
Hi there,

is there an automatic way, when a pakage refuses to install, if it wants to 
overwrite some things of another package ?

Example: x11-common refuses to install, because some files are also used by 
the package "opera" and x11-common refused to overwtrite.

My solution: I installed the package x11-common using "dpkg --force-all -i 
x11-common-.deb.

While this is no Problem, other packages cannot be installed this way, 
especially essential packages, like libc6, where some links let apt stop 
installing. Very carefully deleting the links does work for me. But this 
solution is unsatisfied.

Either apt, aptitude and synaptics are stopping, because they say, this is an 
error. I did not find an automatic way, to ignore these errors (these are in 
my opinion no real errors)

Any hints ?

Best regards

Hans






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Re: install-mbr on amd64?

2006-05-21 Thread D.I. Kulagin



 /dev/md0   /boot   xfs defaults0  0
 /dev/md1   noneswapswap
 /dev/md2   /   xfs defaults0  0
 /dev/md3   /home   xfs defaults0  0
 /dev/md4   /varxfs defaults0  0
 /dev/md5   /var/logxfs defaults0  0
 /dev/md6   /var/tmpxfs defaults0  0
 /dev/md7   /tmpxfs defaults0  0
 proc   /proc   proc

Thanks very much for your time, I really appreciate the help I've 
gotten from all you guys so far very much!


-- Kilian



Can I once again suggest you to use ms-sys and do the following:

# apt-get install ms-sys

# ms-sys -s /dev/sda

# ms-sys -s /dev/sdb

Then mark in fdisk the /dev/md0 underlaying partitions as bootable.
Reformat your /dev/md0 with ext3 filesystem as you can't install lilo
in a xfs partition.
Modify lilo.conf with
boot=/dev/md0
root=/dev/md2

# lilo

And your partitioning is too complex and you will get many problems in
the future if you will want to change the size of any raid partition, so 
I suggest

you to setup a large one raid array from md2-7 and put lvm on it.
With a xfs filesystem you will get online resizing of partitions.



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Re: install-mbr on amd64?

2006-05-21 Thread Alexander Sieck
On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 09:38:16PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Alexander Sieck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > After running 'grub-install' on /dev/sdb, both MBRs, on /dev/sda
> > and /dev/sdb, contain the right data.
> 
> Some data but the right data? The two MBRs should be identical or not?
> Have you tried removing sda and boot or swap sda and sdb around and
> boot? (below I see you haven't fully tested that)
> 
Hello,

maybe you got me wrong, since my wording was misleading.

I think we agree on this:
Without additional actions after configuring RAID1 and installing
grub, the MBR on the 2nd disk contains mainly zeros.
>From this it looks like the 2nd drive is not bootable directly.

How to make the 2nd disk bootable is still not fully clarified
and a proof of the approach is still missing.

Goswin wrote further up in this thread, that the 2nd disk can be
made bootable by switching sda to sdb in /boot/grub/device.map
and running grub-install. He could not remember, if additional
changes to fstab or mtab were required.

I tried to not change device.map, but just run
# BEGIN-CLI
deb64a:~# grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sdb
# END-CLI

The option --root-directory=/boot was wrong, since this creates
/boot/boot/grub.

After running grub-install on /dev/sdb the MBR of the 2nd drive
/dev/sdb contains _some_ data. By just looking at the octal numbers
I cannot tell, if it is really bootable.

> > # BEGIN-CLI
> > deb64a:~# grub-install --root-directory=/boot --no-floppy /dev/sdb
> > Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
> > Installation finished. No error reported.
> > This is the contents of the device map /boot/boot/grub/device.map.
> > Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
> > fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.
> >
> > (hd0)   /dev/sda
> > (hd1)   /dev/sdb
> >
> 
> Lets interleave the data for comparision:
> > deb64a:~# dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | od -v | head -n 12
> > deb64a:~# dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 | od -v | head -n 12
> 
> > 000 044353 150220 000274 175574 003520 017520 137374 076033
> > 000 044353 010220 150216 000274 134260 00 154216 140216
> 
> > 020 015677 050006 134527 000745 122363 136713 003676 002261
> > 020 137373 076000 000277 134406 001000 122363 020752 06
> ... 
> > # END-CLI

I as well had expected that the MBRs of both disks should be
identical and do not know in the moment, if they need to be
byte by byte identical.

Now I have tested Goswins approach:
# BEGIN-CLI
deb64a:/boot/grub# cat device.map 
(hd0)   /dev/sdb
(hd1)   /dev/sda
deb64a:/boot/grub# grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sdb
Installation finished. No error reported.
This is the contents of the device map /boot/grub/device.map.
Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.

(hd0)   /dev/sdb
(hd1)   /dev/sda
deb64a:/boot/grub# dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | od -v | head -n 8
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.016311 seconds, 31.4 kB/s
000 044353 150220 000274 175574 003520 017520 137374 076033
020 015677 050006 134527 000745 122363 136713 003676 002261
040 067070 076000 072411 101423 010305 172342 014315 172613
060 143203 044420 014564 026070 173164 132640 132007 001003
100 000377 02 01 00 001000 100372 100312 051752
120 000174 030400 107300 107330 136320 02 120373 076100
140 177474 001164 141210 137122 076571 032350 173001 100302
160 052164 040664 125273 146525 055023 071122 100511 052773
deb64a:/boot/grub# dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 | od -v | head -n 8
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.006904 seconds, 74.2 kB/s
000 044353 010220 150216 000274 134260 00 154216 140216
020 137373 076000 000277 134406 001000 122363 020752 06
040 137000 003676 002070 005565 143203 100420 177376 072407
060 165763 132026 130002 135401 076000 100262 072212 001003
100 000377 02 01 00 001000 110372 173220 100302
120 001165 100262 054752 000174 030400 107300 107330 136320
140 02 120373 076100 177474 001164 141210 137122 076577
160 032350 173001 100302 052164 040664 125273 146525 055023
# END-CLI

That is, also after changing sda to sdb in device.map, the
two MBRs are not identical.

Maybe Goswin, or somebody else who enabled booting from both
disks with RAID1 and grub, can give the output of
'dd if=xxx[ab] bs=512 count=1 | od' on their system.

> > I did not unplug or replugged the HDs, but I changed the
> > HD boot order in the BIOS, from IDE-channel2, -channel3 to
> > IDE-channel3, -channel2, and can boot in both cases.
> 
> Is that the same as removing a disk or does that preserve sda as hd0
> and sdb as hd1 and just boot from hd1?
> 
I also think, that unplugging the 1st disk, is the only hard test
(and even that may not be sufficient to simulate a real crash).

Since the time I installed my system a couple of months ago, I wou

Uninstall 32bit env

2006-05-21 Thread antonio giulio

Hi,

actually I use only Firefox (for flash plugin) and wine for 32 bit
env. They are both installed under 64 env and launched from there. Is
it possible remove chroot32 and eventually how?

Thanks,
Giulio