Re: System freeze (again)

2006-11-30 Thread sigi
On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:29:05PM -0200, Rodrigo Paes wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:42:55 +0200
> "Richard L. Mace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I was following with interest the thread about system freezes, but it seems 
> > to 
> > have dried up.
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> I was having the same problems with my HP zv6000, when I upgraded to
> 2.6.18... however my is related to the wireless card.. does your note
> uses bcm43xx module ? try removing it and testing.

And I thought, my several really hard freezes, which made a new install 
necessary several times, did come with the by myself compiled 
nvidia-kernel-modules...?

Since I'm only using the shipped-in nv-driver, my machine is running 
very stable... I'm not able playing games since my change to 'nv' but my 
system works fine since then.

sigi


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Re: HALD permissions ?

2006-11-30 Thread Micha

Maybe /etc/fstab or pmount related, or even /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf 
if installed. What Desktop are you running ? Did you check the controlcenter 
options ?


 m°



Re: Modulized or monolithic kernel on notebooks ?

2006-11-30 Thread Jim Crilly
On 11/30/06 10:07:43AM +, A J Stiles wrote:
> I know of some people who like to install monolithic kernels  (and disable 
> module loading)  on servers; but that's done for security reasons, not for 
> speed.
> 

And those gains are dubious at best, kernel memory can still be altered via
/dev/kmem or /dev/mem on most distributions, I think the only one to include
any patches to mitigate that is Fedora but I'm not sure.

Jim.


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Re: Modulized or monolithic kernel on notebooks ?

2006-11-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Hans-J. Ullrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi all, 
>
> I know, there was a lot of discussion about kernel-builds.
> And I really do not want start flamewars. 
>
> So here are my little questions:
>
> What do you think (with the the focus on speed):

Totaly irelevant. It makes no difference in speed.

MfG
Goswin


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Re: amd64 sid ftp.us.debian.org stuck?

2006-11-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Wesley J. Landaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tuesday 28 November 2006 12:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Is it just me, or is the sid amd64 archive stuck?
>> I don't have any package updates since November 20.
>> In particular, I don't see libpng12-dev version 1.2.13-4,
>> or iceweasel.
>>
>> My sources.list file is pretty simple:
>>
>> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main
>> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main
>>
>> I went so far as to rm /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us*
>> and re-apt-get-update, on the chance the diffindex
>> stuff got lost.  That didn't help.
>
> ftp.us.debian.org has been acting funny for at least a week. I haven't been 
> able to update or install from it at all, so have switched to 
> ftp.debian.org or a specific mirror.

If in doubt check the project/trace files for when the last update
was.

MfG
Goswin


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HALD permissions ?

2006-11-30 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
Hi all, 

please forgive me, this question is not AMD64-related at all.

My problem: When connecting a device (usb-stick or sd-card) to the notebook, 
hald recognizes it and I can choose what I want to do next. 

But: I cannot get access due to the rights of permission.

The permissions and owner:

/dev/sdb1  owner=root group=floppy rw rw 

I am in group "floppy" and "disk" (for sd-cards)

Any clue is welcome !

This is on 64-Bit as in 32-Bit, too. 


Best regards

Hans


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Re: Modulized or monolithic kernel on notebooks ?

2006-11-30 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 30 November 2006 09:06, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I know, there was a lot of discussion about kernel-builds.
> And I really do not want start flamewars.

If you ask eight people any question about building kernels, expect to get ten 
different answers!

> So here are my little questions:
>
> What do you think (with the the focus on speed):
>
> 1. Does it make sense to compile a kernel with all modules built in, for
> the hardware which is always present on the target notebook (maybe
> desktop-px, too) ?

I know from bitter experience that anything to do with sound or USB devices  
(or for that matter, any slightly flaky hardware)  should definitely be 
compiled as a module.  If they go T.U., you can easily cure the problem by 
unloading and reloading the module.  But if you built it hard into the 
kernel, you're stuck with a dead device till the next boot.

That being said, USB seems  (qualitatively)  more reliable on my 64-bit 
machine than on my 32-bit ones.  I'm still testing to find out whether that's 
to do with the motherboard or the 2.6 vs. 2.4 kernel.

I know of some people who like to install monolithic kernels  (and disable 
module loading)  on servers; but that's done for security reasons, not for 
speed.

> 2. Does this improve speed especially on 64-bit-systems ?
>
> 3. Has anyone experience with those tests ?

If there is a speed difference one way or the other, I haven't noticed it.  In 
any case, I would expect the difference only to show at boot time  (if you 
load the modules then)  or the first time you plug in the hardware.

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Re: Modulized or monolithic kernel on notebooks ?

2006-11-30 Thread Jim Crilly
On 11/30/06 10:06:44AM +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> Hi all, 
> 
> I know, there was a lot of discussion about kernel-builds.
> And I really do not want start flamewars. 
> 
> So here are my little questions:
> 
> What do you think (with the the focus on speed):
> 
> 1. Does it make sense to compile a kernel with all modules built in, for the 
> hardware which is always present on the target notebook (maybe desktop-px, 
> too) ?
> 
> I.e. sound, controller, filesystem, pcmcia-port, usb, sd-card-reader, wlan 
> etc. etc, everything, which cannot be exchanged. 

No, especially considering that USB is one of the worst offenders in the
"stops my notebook from going to sleep" group and the best way to work
around that is to unload the USB modules.

The only benefit you'll get is that you won't need an initramfs image to
boot and the value of that's debatable. And if you ever want to use
uswsusp you'll need an initramfs image anyway.

> 2. Does this improve speed especially on 64-bit-systems ?

If there is any difference I guarantee it'll be so small to be well within
the margin of error of any benchmarks.

Jim.


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Modulized or monolithic kernel on notebooks ?

2006-11-30 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
Hi all, 

I know, there was a lot of discussion about kernel-builds.
And I really do not want start flamewars. 

So here are my little questions:

What do you think (with the the focus on speed):

1. Does it make sense to compile a kernel with all modules built in, for the 
hardware which is always present on the target notebook (maybe desktop-px, 
too) ?

I.e. sound, controller, filesystem, pcmcia-port, usb, sd-card-reader, wlan 
etc. etc, everything, which cannot be exchanged. 

2. Does this improve speed especially on 64-bit-systems ?

3. Has anyone experience with those tests ?

Again: I do not want, to start any flamewars, I am just interested in 
technics !

Thanks for the answers.

Best regards

Hans


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