Re: USB hubs and storage no go on 2.6.17-2
On 12/13/06 01:49:12PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 12:17:32AM -0500, Jim Crilly wrote: > > That makes no sense. Are you saying that your USB hub and storage stuff > > wasn't working with the Debian 2.6.17 kernels unless you had the full > > desktop environment installed? If so, I can't say I share that experience, > > a few weeks ago I reloaded a box with etch without any X or desktop > > packages (but now running sid) and USB storage works just fine with it. > > You're right, it doesn't make any sense, but there it is. The exact > same kernel package, except on i386 and with all the Gnobe dependencies > installed, worked for the same USB disk. But plugging the disk into my > amd64 system did not work. It didn't even load the usbstorage module. > If I then loaded usbstorage by hand, the usb<->scsi-disk connection > wasn't made at all (I'm running SATA disks, so sd_mod and friends were > already loaded). Furthermore, the hub on my Dell 2407WFP was completely > non-functional -- it didn't even show up in usbview. > You did verify that the usb core modules like ohci_hcd and ehci_ecd were loaded, right? Did you have udev installed? If you have a static /dev it's not really necessary but I believe it's what handles the hotplug stuff now so if it's not there you might not get the module autloaded like you're used to and I wouldn't doubt that the desktop stuff like hal does indeed depend on udev. > I built a 2.6.18.3 kernel from stable-git, and bingo all was working. > My guess as to why it works is that scsi and scsi disk support aren't > modules in my custom kernel. I figured with sd_mod and scsi_mod being, > well, modules, in the Debian kernel, something like hald or some other > obnoxious daemon I don't want was "helping" the scsi subsystem rescan > or whatever. > Well you might need udev to handle the autloading of usb_storage when you plug the drive in, but it should still work once you load the module manually. The hub's a different story though, AFAIK that should be transparent and requires no drivers to work. Jim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
On 12/13/06 10:18:20PM +, Paul Brook wrote: > > What about at high resolutions though? According to this[1] bug report at > > fd.o it's still broken and won't be fixed until at least Xorg 7.3. And the > > last time I used the nv driver it was noticably slower than the binary > > nvidia driver even at normal 2D desktop stuff, not that it was unusable or > > anything but the speed difference is significant. > > I'm running amd64 Debian unstable at 1600x1200 on a 128Mb GF4200ti. > > Up until a couple of months or so ago it was painfully slow. I couldn't play > video above about 640x480, and other things (firefox, kpdf) were noticeably > slower than they should be. > Interesting, when I ran into the problem it was with the i386 port so that may make a difference. I had assumed that the AMD64 port would have the same limitations since it's a video thing but maybe that's not true. If I get a chance I'll try switching this machine over to the nv driver and see if Xv output in mplayer works, although it's a completely different machine so it won't be a very good test but I'd still be interested in knowing if it works or not. Jim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Athenians, Chappy's & Ham
Oops! Sorry, I'm not sure how this happened. cmr -- Debian 'Etch': Registered Linux User #241964 "More laws, less justice." -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
> What about at high resolutions though? According to this[1] bug report at > fd.o it's still broken and won't be fixed until at least Xorg 7.3. And the > last time I used the nv driver it was noticably slower than the binary > nvidia driver even at normal 2D desktop stuff, not that it was unusable or > anything but the speed difference is significant. I'm running amd64 Debian unstable at 1600x1200 on a 128Mb GF4200ti. Up until a couple of months or so ago it was painfully slow. I couldn't play video above about 640x480, and other things (firefox, kpdf) were noticeably slower than they should be. With current unstable everything seems to be working nice and quick. I can't tell any difference between the open-source and and binary drivers (except lack of 3d, obviously). I never saw any error messages, so I don't know if it's related to the bug you reference. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Athenians, Chappy's & Ham
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 15:29, George Thompson wrote: > Mike, > The chappy's delivery is set for this Friday, 12-15. Do you still want > it changed? > Thanks for the note. > George Yes, please. If it's not too much trouble. Mike > -Original Message- > From: Mike Reinehr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 3:09 PM > To: George Thompson > Subject: Athenians, Chappy's & Ham > > George, > > 1)Linda & I want to thank you & Paulette, again, for inviting us > to dinner & > your Athenian Ball. I very much enjoyed meeting & talking with Raymond & > Marsha (what was their last name, again?) and with Elizabeth & her > friend. (I confess, I've forgotten his name.) The ball, as always, was > fun, but we especially like going out with you & Paulette. > > 2)I am reminded by Linda to ask you to reschedule our Chappy's > lunch to > Thursday, 21 December, instead of the following Friday, please. We > already have plans for a Xmas party that day. And, thanks again, for > thinking of us at Xmas. Every one here enjoys this. > > 3)And, thanks, yet again! Your Deramus Family ham arrived > yesterday. I > especially like your ham. I don't think there's nothing better than > good, country ham! (Actually, Linda's not a really big lover of country > ham, but I make up for it!) I'll bake it some time between now & New > Year's & we'll eat off it for the next three months. > > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year's! > > Mike > -- > Debian 'Etch': Registered Linux User #241964 > > "More laws, less justice." -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC > -- Debian 'Etch': Registered Linux User #241964 "More laws, less justice." -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB hubs and storage no go on 2.6.17-2
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 12:17:32AM -0500, Jim Crilly wrote: > On 12/12/06 10:45:45AM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote: > > Howdy listers, > > > > I'm running etch with a custom compiled 2.6.19 and it sure seems to work > > brilliantly better that the Debian 2.6.17 kernel package when it comes > > to USB storage and USB hubs. In other words, those didn't work at all > > on the 2.6.17-? kernel package. > > > > It seems that those don't work unless you choose 'desktop environment' > > in tasksel, which I don't do because I like to keep 1GB of disk space > > free of Gbloatware. > > > > That makes no sense. Are you saying that your USB hub and storage stuff > wasn't working with the Debian 2.6.17 kernels unless you had the full > desktop environment installed? If so, I can't say I share that experience, > a few weeks ago I reloaded a box with etch without any X or desktop > packages (but now running sid) and USB storage works just fine with it. You're right, it doesn't make any sense, but there it is. The exact same kernel package, except on i386 and with all the Gnobe dependencies installed, worked for the same USB disk. But plugging the disk into my amd64 system did not work. It didn't even load the usbstorage module. If I then loaded usbstorage by hand, the usb<->scsi-disk connection wasn't made at all (I'm running SATA disks, so sd_mod and friends were already loaded). Furthermore, the hub on my Dell 2407WFP was completely non-functional -- it didn't even show up in usbview. I built a 2.6.18.3 kernel from stable-git, and bingo all was working. My guess as to why it works is that scsi and scsi disk support aren't modules in my custom kernel. I figured with sd_mod and scsi_mod being, well, modules, in the Debian kernel, something like hald or some other obnoxious daemon I don't want was "helping" the scsi subsystem rescan or whatever. Cheers, a -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Athenians, Chappy's & Ham
Mike, The chappy's delivery is set for this Friday, 12-15. Do you still want it changed? Thanks for the note. George -Original Message- From: Mike Reinehr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 3:09 PM To: George Thompson Subject: Athenians, Chappy's & Ham George, 1) Linda & I want to thank you & Paulette, again, for inviting us to dinner & your Athenian Ball. I very much enjoyed meeting & talking with Raymond & Marsha (what was their last name, again?) and with Elizabeth & her friend. (I confess, I've forgotten his name.) The ball, as always, was fun, but we especially like going out with you & Paulette. 2) I am reminded by Linda to ask you to reschedule our Chappy's lunch to Thursday, 21 December, instead of the following Friday, please. We already have plans for a Xmas party that day. And, thanks again, for thinking of us at Xmas. Every one here enjoys this. 3) And, thanks, yet again! Your Deramus Family ham arrived yesterday. I especially like your ham. I don't think there's nothing better than good, country ham! (Actually, Linda's not a really big lover of country ham, but I make up for it!) I'll bake it some time between now & New Year's & we'll eat off it for the next three months. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year's! Mike -- Debian 'Etch': Registered Linux User #241964 "More laws, less justice." -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC
Re: problem xmms/gtk1.2 and utf8
On 12/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, my locale is: $ locale LANG=it_IT.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=it_IT LC_CTYPE=it_IT.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_TIME="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_NAME="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_ALL= and if I launch xmms, chars are not displayed in menu, options, ecc. I tried with: $ ln -s /etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8 ~/.gtkrc but it didn't work. Have you any idea? my workaround is use 'audacious' instead of xmms -- LI Daobing -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problem xmms/gtk1.2 and utf8
Hi, my locale is: $ locale LANG=it_IT.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=it_IT LC_CTYPE=it_IT.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_TIME="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_NAME="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="it_IT.UTF-8" LC_ALL= and if I launch xmms, chars are not displayed in menu, options, ecc. I tried with: $ ln -s /etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8 ~/.gtkrc but it didn't work. Have you any idea? Thanks, Giulio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
On 12/13/06 03:23:41PM +, Paul Brook wrote: > > The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free driver is 2D only. > > I also believe the free driver doesn't do video playback acceleration > > while the binary one does. > > The open source driver does support video overlays, and seems to provide > hardware acceleration (I see a 10x reduction in CPU usage when xv is > enabled). > What about at high resolutions though? According to this[1] bug report at fd.o it's still broken and won't be fixed until at least Xorg 7.3. And the last time I used the nv driver it was noticably slower than the binary nvidia driver even at normal 2D desktop stuff, not that it was unusable or anything but the speed difference is significant. Jim. [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6151 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
I must add to my email of the past few minutes that even on my debian-like pivot_root install of knoppix 5.0.1 I had to install libmotif3_2.2.3-1.5_i386.deb to get my molecular mechanics package working (openGL). Surely knoppix 5.0.1 has nvidia acceleration. However, take my information as from a non-expert, though, no doubt, the graphics of my application is in openGL. cheers francesco pietra --- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:25:56PM -0800, Francesco > Pietra wrote: > > Thank you for answering, though my point was to > where > > learning as this my new installation without > nvidia > > works. Why should I install nvidia when it works > > perfectly and very speedy? Finally, everything was > > done through official debian and I suppose they > know > > how to do. > > The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free > driver is 2D only. > I also believe the free driver doesn't do video > playback acceleration > while the binary one does. Of course if you never > play video or use any > opengl programs, then there is no reason to use the > binary driver. > > -- > Len Sorensen > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
Hi For my veryvery important and extremely sophisticated calculations I do download libmotif and then I burn some CPU time on my precious amd64 to compile it and then I install it. apt-src install libmotif*** fakeroot debian/rules binary Vola! /Gudon Þann Miðvikudagur 13 desember 2006 17:44 skrifaði Francesco Pietra: > Hi Len, Hi all: > > I do use openGL for my molecular mechanics software > and with the etch RC1 installation I got it working > better than on previous use of nvidia drivers. Even in > combination with povray-3.6 (provided the official > package from povray is used; with the debian package > 3.6 of povray I had troubles). Perhaps also because > now I use gnome. I merely downloaded from unstable > libmotif3_2.2.3-1.5.deb and installed it on my i386 > etch (I am talking here about i386; on the amd64 > machine I do mechanical/quantum/chemical computation > only, so that I have not yet got X). The libmotif on > etch does not afford support to openGL on my system. > Not even before when I used nvidia drivers. In fact, I > did the same as aboveon previous use of nvidia > drivers, although I had glx installed. Probably I had > a faulty installation. Now everything is fine. > > No, I never play motion-picture, no time and I don't > like it on the small screen. And the great time of > motion-pictures is over. > > cheers > francesco pietra > > > --- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:25:56PM -0800, Francesco > > > > Pietra wrote: > > > Thank you for answering, though my point was to > > > > where > > > > > learning as this my new installation without > > > > nvidia > > > > > works. Why should I install nvidia when it works > > > perfectly and very speedy? Finally, everything was > > > done through official debian and I suppose they > > > > know > > > > > how to do. > > > > The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free > > driver is 2D only. > > I also believe the free driver doesn't do video > > playback acceleration > > while the binary one does. Of course if you never > > play video or use any > > opengl programs, then there is no reason to use the > > binary driver. > > > > -- > > Len Sorensen > > ___ >_ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. > Try it now.
Re: etch RC1 installer
Hi Len, Hi all: I do use openGL for my molecular mechanics software and with the etch RC1 installation I got it working better than on previous use of nvidia drivers. Even in combination with povray-3.6 (provided the official package from povray is used; with the debian package 3.6 of povray I had troubles). Perhaps also because now I use gnome. I merely downloaded from unstable libmotif3_2.2.3-1.5.deb and installed it on my i386 etch (I am talking here about i386; on the amd64 machine I do mechanical/quantum/chemical computation only, so that I have not yet got X). The libmotif on etch does not afford support to openGL on my system. Not even before when I used nvidia drivers. In fact, I did the same as aboveon previous use of nvidia drivers, although I had glx installed. Probably I had a faulty installation. Now everything is fine. No, I never play motion-picture, no time and I don't like it on the small screen. And the great time of motion-pictures is over. cheers francesco pietra --- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:25:56PM -0800, Francesco > Pietra wrote: > > Thank you for answering, though my point was to > where > > learning as this my new installation without > nvidia > > works. Why should I install nvidia when it works > > perfectly and very speedy? Finally, everything was > > done through official debian and I suppose they > know > > how to do. > > The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free > driver is 2D only. > I also believe the free driver doesn't do video > playback acceleration > while the binary one does. Of course if you never > play video or use any > opengl programs, then there is no reason to use the > binary driver. > > -- > Len Sorensen > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 15:24, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 03:23:41PM +, Paul Brook wrote: > > The open source driver does support video overlays, and seems to provide > > hardware acceleration (I see a 10x reduction in CPU usage when xv is > > enabled). > > > > There were issues with older kernels/XOrg (I'm not sure which) that made > > the open source driver very slow on amd64. These seem to have been > > resolved now and it works fine for 2D and video. > > Oh good. Well then the only reason for binary drivers is opengl I > guess. How about multi monitor support on one card? Does the free > driver do that yet? How about tvout? I don't know. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
> The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free driver is 2D only. > I also believe the free driver doesn't do video playback acceleration > while the binary one does. The open source driver does support video overlays, and seems to provide hardware acceleration (I see a 10x reduction in CPU usage when xv is enabled). There were issues with older kernels/XOrg (I'm not sure which) that made the open source driver very slow on amd64. These seem to have been resolved now and it works fine for 2D and video. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 03:23:41PM +, Paul Brook wrote: > The open source driver does support video overlays, and seems to provide > hardware acceleration (I see a 10x reduction in CPU usage when xv is > enabled). > > There were issues with older kernels/XOrg (I'm not sure which) that made the > open source driver very slow on amd64. These seem to have been resolved now > and it works fine for 2D and video. Oh good. Well then the only reason for binary drivers is opengl I guess. How about multi monitor support on one card? Does the free driver do that yet? How about tvout? -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:25:56PM -0800, Francesco Pietra wrote: > Thank you for answering, though my point was to where > learning as this my new installation without nvidia > works. Why should I install nvidia when it works > perfectly and very speedy? Finally, everything was > done through official debian and I suppose they know > how to do. The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free driver is 2D only. I also believe the free driver doesn't do video playback acceleration while the binary one does. Of course if you never play video or use any opengl programs, then there is no reason to use the binary driver. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
build eclipse-gcj
Hi, I have installed eclipse (3.2.1) via repository. Always in repos I have found eclipse-gcj version. Is there a tutorial, guide, how-to etc. to build eclipse in native way using that packages on Debian? I have not found anything about it... Thank you very much Giulio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
