Re: Directions to install open source video
Francesco, I'm convinced the performance of an application is not affected by the presence of the 32bit libraries of software the only implication is about the time assigned to the software to execute. I mean is perfectly reasonable to have serious calculus running with 64 bit libraries (pure) while the display is working at 32 bits. or another less important application with 32 bits libraries... I'm wrong? On 12/18/06, Francesco Pietra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- "Brian R. Whitecotton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The closed source "nvidia" driver, as much as it > pains to say it, is better > than the open source "nv" in that it enables the > functionality of the Nvidia > chipset whereas the "nv" driver minimizes > detrimental impact on an otherwise > extremely stable Debian system by limiting how much > of the chipset > functionality it accesses. If stability is what you > want, then us the nv > driver and you are pretty much insured a stable but > less than optimal > performing system. Being optimal or not depends on the viewpoint. On a parallel system of dual-opteron operated by ebian etch amd64 I still have to install X because I do not need it for computations, where the ideal system is the one with the highest floating point. That said, my question is: installation of open source video on amd64 may bring in 32bit libraries that may be detrimental to floating point even when X is not launched? If not, I would be much obliged for suggesting where to get directions to install open source video on already installed amd64 etch base system (added of much computational applications and alebraic special libraries, like linint). I mean to get the equivalent video installation that I got for debian etch i386 through the new RC1 installer. It is just a curiosity to see how it works on amd64 because I have a very good (so far unusued) graphic card. Thank you for suggesring francesco pietra __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Directions to install open source video
--- "Brian R. Whitecotton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The closed source "nvidia" driver, as much as it > pains to say it, is better > than the open source "nv" in that it enables the > functionality of the Nvidia > chipset whereas the "nv" driver minimizes > detrimental impact on an otherwise > extremely stable Debian system by limiting how much > of the chipset > functionality it accesses. If stability is what you > want, then us the nv > driver and you are pretty much insured a stable but > less than optimal > performing system. Being optimal or not depends on the viewpoint. On a parallel system of dual-opteron operated by ebian etch amd64 I still have to install X because I do not need it for computations, where the ideal system is the one with the highest floating point. That said, my question is: installation of open source video on amd64 may bring in 32bit libraries that may be detrimental to floating point even when X is not launched? If not, I would be much obliged for suggesting where to get directions to install open source video on already installed amd64 etch base system (added of much computational applications and alebraic special libraries, like linint). I mean to get the equivalent video installation that I got for debian etch i386 through the new RC1 installer. It is just a curiosity to see how it works on amd64 because I have a very good (so far unusued) graphic card. Thank you for suggesring francesco pietra __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
The closed source "nvidia" driver, as much as it pains to say it, is better than the open source "nv" in that it enables the functionality of the Nvidia chipset whereas the "nv" driver minimizes detrimental impact on an otherwise extremely stable Debian system by limiting how much of the chipset functionality it accesses. If stability is what you want, then us the nv driver and you are pretty much insured a stable but less than optimal performing system. Having said that, the nv performance is probably all you need. As far as hardware mpeg4 (I think that is what you mean rather than jpeg?) acceleration, the nvidia chipsets have native video decoder hardware and my naïve guess is that BOTH the nv and nvidia drivers enable that. Anyone else out there want to confirm or correct. > -Original Message- > From: Douglas Tutty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:59 PM > To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv? > > On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 05:24:31PM -0600, Jaime Ochoa Malag?n wrote: > > I strongly suggest to use nvidia driver, of course no one needs 3D > > accel (except to play) but the experience is better, if the nvidia > > driver works for you without flaws use it. > > > > And that's true if you don't use 3D or at least > xscreensaver-gl use a > > cheap video card and give that one to a young boy hungry to play > > 3D-games. > > Origionally, I set out to buy a cheap video card on the > belief that I couldn't afford one that had the hardware jpeg > conversion for watching video (yes I know that in the absence > of hardware the software can do it). It turned out that this > one was the chapest that my local store could get. It seems > to be only missing the full hardware suite (it does > some) for HD movies. > > Do both the nv and nvidia give me that hardware jpeg accelleration? > > Doug. > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
webcam "no space left on device" error
Hi, Details on my webcam and where I have it attached are: ,-[ lsusb ] | Bus 002 Device 001: ID : | Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0461:4d16 Primax Electronics, Ltd | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 045e:00db Microsoft Corp. | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 058f:9360 Alcor Micro Corp. | Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0c45:6029 Microdia Triplex i-mini PC Camera | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04e8:324c Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd ML-1740 Printer | Bus 001 Device 001: ID : `- Standard video conference software, e.g. kopete, ekiga, cannot communicate with this webcam and show a "no device found" message (ekiga), but no other useful error messages. I was able to get something with the program sn-webcam (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=132181), but all I got was a "no space left on device" message. Googling for this, it seemed it had to do with the bus device being saturated by the other usb devices. So I tried plugging the webcam to one of the ports in the front panel of my desktop or the back, without success -- I think Bus 001 above is the back one, while Bus 002 is the front one. If I unplug the webcam from the bus shown above, dmesg gives some lines with errors: ,-[ dmesg | tail ] | ohci_hcd :00:0b.0: leak ed 810074c5a370 (#81) state 2 | usb 1-8: usb_submit_urb() failed, error -28 | ohci_hcd :00:0b.0: leak ed 810074c5a3c0 (#81) state 2 | usb 1-8: usb_submit_urb() failed, error -28 | ohci_hcd :00:0b.0: leak ed 810074c5a410 (#81) state 2 | usb 1-8: usb_submit_urb() failed, error -28 | usb 1-8: USB disconnect, address 6 | ohci_hcd :00:0b.0: leak ed 810074c5a460 (#81) state 2 | usb 1-8: Disconnecting SN9C10x PC Camera... | usb 1-8: V4L2 device /dev/video0 deregistered `- and reconnecting causes the system to freeze completely. This camera uses the sn9c102 driver and it does seem to be loaded: ,-[ lsmod | grep 'sn9c' ] | sn9c10294732 0 | videodev 29696 1 sn9c102 | v4l2_common28672 2 sn9c102,videodev `- Is anybody having similar problems? Any pointers? Thanks in advance. Cheers, -- Seb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 05:24:31PM -0600, Jaime Ochoa Malag?n wrote: > I strongly suggest to use nvidia driver, of course no one needs 3D > accel (except to play) but the experience is better, if the nvidia > driver works for you without flaws use it. > > And that's true if you don't use 3D or at least xscreensaver-gl use a > cheap video card and give that one to a young boy hungry to play > 3D-games. Origionally, I set out to buy a cheap video card on the belief that I couldn't afford one that had the hardware jpeg conversion for watching video (yes I know that in the absence of hardware the software can do it). It turned out that this one was the chapest that my local store could get. It seems to be only missing the full hardware suite (it does some) for HD movies. Do both the nv and nvidia give me that hardware jpeg accelleration? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On 12/17/06 09:31:18PM +, Paul Brook wrote: > On Sunday 17 December 2006 21:03, Brian R. Whitecotton wrote: > > IMHO I don't see the point in having a GeForce 7300 GT unless you are at > > least enabling its power/capabilities. > > A 7300GT is a fairly bottom-of-the-line card. It's the cheapest card I've > seen > that has dual-link DVI connectors (required for big, high resolution > monitors). > > > The 2D nv driver is fine but the nvidia driver is better. > > Your definition of better is very different to mine. > > The open source does everything I need (high resolution, fast 2d, video). > The binary driver doesn't work at all under Xen, and locks up periodically on > half my machines. > The binary driver works fine under Xen on i386 and people have gotten it to work with the AMD64 Xen kernels on the nvnews.net forums so it is possible. And the last time I tried the OSS nv driver it didn't do Xv at high resolutions[1], the image quality was noticably lower with a 24 bit desktop and it was a lot slower even in the 2D arena; for instance switching desktops would take a second or two with the nv driver but with nvidia it's almost instantaneous. Obviously both drivers will work better or worse on different hardware so neither is a clear winner in all cases and everyone needs to decide on their own which to use. I'm not advocating the use of the closed driver at all, hell it's caused me number of problems on my notebook but on my desktops it's been nearly flawless. And I would be ecstatic if nv or the nouveau driver would get to the point where just their 2D is as good as the binary driver, but right now they lag behind pretty badly IMO. Jim. [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On 12/17/06, Brian R. Whitecotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 2D nv driver is fine Last time I tried the nv driver on my 6800 my display was borked due to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6212 which you would have known about had you attempted to use the nv driver with your card. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
I strongly suggest to use nvidia driver, of course no one needs 3D accel (except to play) but the experience is better, if the nvidia driver works for you without flaws use it. And that's true if you don't use 3D or at least xscreensaver-gl use a cheap video card and give that one to a young boy hungry to play 3D-games. Good luck On 12/17/06, Douglas Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm running etch amd64 and installing xorg for the first time on this box. I have an Asus 7300GT video board that uses the nVidia GeForce 7300 GT chips. As I understand it (AIUI?), if I use the nv driver I get 2D hardware accel and if I use the nvidia driver (glx, kernel modules, et al) I get 3D accel. I don't do games. I've got a monitor that will do 1600x1280 & 75 Hz. I want a nice clear image for daily work. Later on (when I get a video capture card), I want to do some light video editing, watching TV, DVDs, etc. Do I need the 3D or other goodies of the nVidia driver or should I just go with the nv? Thanks, Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 09:31:18PM +, Paul Brook wrote: > On Sunday 17 December 2006 21:03, Brian R. Whitecotton wrote: > > > The 2D nv driver is fine but the nvidia driver is better. > > Your definition of better is very different to mine. > > The open source does everything I need (high resolution, fast 2d, video). > The binary driver doesn't work at all under Xen, and locks up periodically on > half my machines. That was my problem too: The nvidia-driver made it possible to play games on my machine, but therefore I had to reinstall my whole debian several times, because it broke my system frequently while playing 3d-games. Since I'm using nv all works perfect and stable - without gameplay, but: who needs them? sigi.
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On Sunday 17 December 2006 21:03, Brian R. Whitecotton wrote: > IMHO I don't see the point in having a GeForce 7300 GT unless you are at > least enabling its power/capabilities. A 7300GT is a fairly bottom-of-the-line card. It's the cheapest card I've seen that has dual-link DVI connectors (required for big, high resolution monitors). > The 2D nv driver is fine but the nvidia driver is better. Your definition of better is very different to mine. The open source does everything I need (high resolution, fast 2d, video). The binary driver doesn't work at all under Xen, and locks up periodically on half my machines. > Sure you have to either compile from sources yourself or run the nvidia sh > downloadable install That will result in a broken Debian system. Use module-assistant if you need the binary driver. Paul
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 01:03:38PM -0800, Brian R. Whitecotton wrote: > IMHO I don't see the point in having a GeForce 7300 GT unless you are at > least enabling its power/capabilities. The 2D nv driver is fine but the > nvidia driver is better. Sure you have to either compile from sources > yourself or run the nvidia sh downloadable install but no more hassle than > that. I recently went dual head using a dual DVI AGP 8x XFX GeForce 6800 > Xtreme (didn't want to upgrade all hardware) with blah,blah,blah and when I > installed the 3D, glxgears reports 10,890 FPS! Can't complain. The 2D is > lightning fast. You can always try the 3D install and if you do not like it > simply change a few lines in your xorg.conf file and you are back in 2D and > no worse for the wear. > > I am afraid that the clear image you seek will be more a function of the > quality of your display unit (CRT?, FPD?) rather than your video adapter or > its configuration under xorg. For clarity you want highest resolution, > lowest dot pitch, excellent contrast ratio and good brightness. That's why its a 21" CRT flat screen drafting monitor :-) What is 3D used for other than games? When I get to watching videos, does the nv driver access the hardware decoder? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
IMHO I don't see the point in having a GeForce 7300 GT unless you are at least enabling its power/capabilities. The 2D nv driver is fine but the nvidia driver is better. Sure you have to either compile from sources yourself or run the nvidia sh downloadable install but no more hassle than that. I recently went dual head using a dual DVI AGP 8x XFX GeForce 6800 Xtreme (didn't want to upgrade all hardware) with blah,blah,blah and when I installed the 3D, glxgears reports 10,890 FPS! Can't complain. The 2D is lightning fast. You can always try the 3D install and if you do not like it simply change a few lines in your xorg.conf file and you are back in 2D and no worse for the wear. I am afraid that the clear image you seek will be more a function of the quality of your display unit (CRT?, FPD?) rather than your video adapter or its configuration under xorg. For clarity you want highest resolution, lowest dot pitch, excellent contrast ratio and good brightness. Cheers, Brian > -Original Message- > From: Douglas Tutty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:09 PM > To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org > Subject: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv? > > I'm running etch amd64 and installing xorg for the first time > on this box. I have an Asus 7300GT video board that uses the > nVidia GeForce 7300 GT chips. > > As I understand it (AIUI?), if I use the nv driver I get 2D > hardware accel and if I use the nvidia driver (glx, kernel > modules, et al) I get 3D accel. > > I don't do games. I've got a monitor that will do 1600x1280 > & 75 Hz. I want a nice clear image for daily work. Later on > (when I get a video capture card), I want to do some light > video editing, watching TV, DVDs, etc. > > Do I need the 3D or other goodies of the nVidia driver or > should I just go with the nv? > > Thanks, > > Doug. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On Sun December 17 2006 12:09, Douglas Tutty wrote: > I'm running etch amd64 and installing xorg for the first time on this > box. I have an Asus 7300GT video board that uses the nVidia GeForce > 7300 GT chips. > > As I understand it (AIUI?), if I use the nv driver I get 2D hardware > accel and if I use the nvidia driver (glx, kernel modules, et al) I get > 3D accel. > > I don't do games. I've got a monitor that will do 1600x1280 & 75 Hz. I > want a nice clear image for daily work. Later on (when I get a video > capture card), I want to do some light video editing, watching TV, DVDs, > etc. > > Do I need the 3D or other goodies of the nVidia driver or should I just > go with the nv? I have an nvidia FX 5700LE. I have never had any problem with the nv driver but I use the m-a built (actually at the moment I'm using the pre-built binaries from testing/unstable) so that games work as expected. If the nv driver is doing what you need done you don't need to upgrade. If your using testing or unstable you may want to install them and see if they make any difference or not. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frequent crashes on java applets in browsers
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 12:38:37AM +0100, Jan De Luyck wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm using debian Sid on amd64 with a sid schroot for my browsing needs (you > know, flash :p) > > I've got one major gripe: everytime I have a site that uses Java, my browsers > crash. Either immediately, or after a minute or so. > > Both in Opera and Firefox(iceweasel these days) > > I'm using the sun-java5-plugin, version 1.5.0-10-1 I am presuming this is the 32 bit version ( if not can you point me to the repo that has this ) I am having similiar problems with the blackdown version (64 bit) I think there is a problem xlib, each of the dumps I have looked at seems to indicate that! > > I have no clue so directly what causes these crashes. Anyone any idea? > > Thanks, > > Jan > -- > "Tell the truth and run." > -- Yugoslav proverb > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 03:09:13PM -0500 Douglas Tutty said: > > Do I need the 3D or other goodies of the nVidia driver or should I just > go with the nv? I used the nvidia driver initially while running sarge on the AMD64. I then upgraded to etch and switched to the nv driver. I was using a Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce 6200 PCI-Express card on an ASUS A8N-SLI mainboard. My display worked fine. The mainboard went bad so I had to reinstall - now I'm using the nv driver with etch RC1. I'm using the same card on a GA-K8NF-9. I cannot notice any difference but then, like you, I don't have any need for 3D acceleration and the other swizzly bits. Sam - -- (Sam Varghese) http://www.gnubies.com It is to be remarked that a good many people are born curiously unfitted for the fate waiting them on this earth. My PGP key: http://www.gnubies.com/encryption/sign.txt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFhapbZyXhknb+33gRAtPUAJ4tuKALgVFd1RsS2zIY+iM8FGjRzACdGtEN 4NgCtOtEm1eC5T5bkjrh1/0= =cx0T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
I'm running etch amd64 and installing xorg for the first time on this box. I have an Asus 7300GT video board that uses the nVidia GeForce 7300 GT chips. As I understand it (AIUI?), if I use the nv driver I get 2D hardware accel and if I use the nvidia driver (glx, kernel modules, et al) I get 3D accel. I don't do games. I've got a monitor that will do 1600x1280 & 75 Hz. I want a nice clear image for daily work. Later on (when I get a video capture card), I want to do some light video editing, watching TV, DVDs, etc. Do I need the 3D or other goodies of the nVidia driver or should I just go with the nv? Thanks, Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a few simple questions about AMD64 version of Debian
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 11:51:57AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > Dear AMD folks, > > I thought to buy myself an AMD 64 bit machine. > > I want to get a box that can have e.g. 10GB of RAM added to it. I > noticed that some opteron machines exist on the internet with 10GB of > RAM on them. Someone said that you need the 940 pin motherboard to be > able to add a lot of RAM. But there is an old opteron 940 pin board > that is going out of fashion and a new AM2 940 pin board coming > in > > Can both of these let you add a wad of RAM to them? > > How hard is it to install Etch AMD64 on a box relative to an i386 box? > > Has OpenOffice been ported to AMD64 yet? > > I want to buy myself a box that will last a long time. So if in 5 > years time you need 5GB of RAM to run gnome and OO properly with the > latest release of Debian I can take what would be an older box but > make use of the 64 bit architecture to let me add more RAM than the 32 > bit would ever allow you to do because of its physical limitations. > > Michael Fothergill > > If you are developers on this site I hope this is not too dumb a > question. If it is I won't post anything else on this site. > Welcome Michael, Personally, I'm not a DD (debian developer). This is the amd64-specific user forum. You're a (prospective) user, so its foru. :-) Subscribe to the list and listen in. You'll get the flavour. Ram limits are main-board specific. I recently bought an ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe amd64/AM2 which can take 8GB max. I too wanted to make a box that would last a long time (I write this email on my 486) and lack of memory upgradability is what for me makes a box less and less usefull over time. Actually, my 486 does everything it ever did but when it was invented, video editing and DVDs hadn't been invented. Neither had the full-blown web browser and javascript. On the other hand, in 5 years how cheap will a new amd-128 (256?) with 100 G ram and 10 T drives be? Maybe someone will compile gnome for MPI and you can have a 5 box cluster to keep the mouse and eye-candy moving. There comes a point where the memory limit is one of bandwidth not physical size. At that point it makes more sense to have two smaller CPU/memory boards/boxs than one huge. Hopefully it will be a long time before gnome gets bloated enough to need this. The other half of longevity is physical longevity. Get a big enough box to take adequate cooling (more, bigger fans can run slower and quieter than a couple of tiny ones to move the same amount of air). I went with the Cooler Master Stacker and CM iGreen 600 W PSU. Actual debian installation is the same as i386 (actually, this is as I understand, since I didn't try i386). You check the debian web site to see if a package you're interested in is available for amd64. As I understand it there are a few things that aren't (yet?). I think that flashplayer is one. Some 32-bit apps can be run from within the amd64 through the use of 32-bit libs (there's a package for this). Others have to be instaled in a i386 installation within a chroot. I haven't done this but I understand its simpler than it sounds. Enjoy. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a few simple questions about AMD64 version of Debian
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:00:09 +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote: > But there is an old opteron 940 pin board that is going out of fashion > and a new AM2 940 pin board coming in > > Can both of these let you add a wad of RAM to them? Yes. I'd go for the AM2 though. > How hard is it to install Etch AMD64 on a box relative to an i386 box? Exactly the same, you'll not notice any difference. Being AMD64 i386 compatible, you'll be able to install a chroot to run x86 only applications, proprietary stuff mainly. > Has OpenOffice been ported to AMD64 yet? Yes, and it works decently well. > I want to buy myself a box that will last a long time. Then I guess you're on the right path, but it's hard to tell surely :) -- Best Regards, Jack Linux User #264449 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux on AMD64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a few simple questions about AMD64 version of Debian
Dear AMD folks, I use the i386 versions of Sarge 3.1r3 and lately Etch RC1. I thought to buy myself an AMD 64 bit machine. I want to get a box that can have e.g. 10GB of RAM added to it. I noticed that some opteron machines exist on the internet with 10GB of RAM on them. Someone said that you need the 940 pin motherboard to be able to add a lot of RAM. But there is an old opteron 940 pin board that is going out of fashion and a new AM2 940 pin board coming in Can both of these let you add a wad of RAM to them? How hard is it to install Etch AMD64 on a box relative to an i386 box? Has OpenOffice been ported to AMD64 yet? I want to buy myself a box that will last a long time. So if in 5 years time you need 5GB of RAM to run gnome and OO properly with the latest release of Debian I can take what would be an older box but make use of the 64 bit architecture to let me add more RAM than the 32 bit would ever allow you to do because of its physical limitations. Comments appreciated. Regards, Michael Fothergill If you are developers on this site I hope this is not too dumb a question. If it is I won't post anything else on this site. _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
