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Re: rescue bootable cd ???

2007-10-01 Thread C M Reinehr
On Friday 28 September 2007 17:26, helices wrote:
 I have several rather complex debian systems, including software raid 5
 and lvm, c.

 Occasionally, in the past, I have upgraded a debian system, after which
 it no longer boots successfully.  Unfortunately, for these complex
 systems, neither the install/boot media, nor knoppix, result in access
 to the files necessary to recover these systems.

 So, going forward, I want to incorporate generation of bootable rescue
 cd's into my upgrade processes.  Clearly, such a cd will exactly
 duplicate my last successful boot, and give access to ALL files and
 filesystems.

 [1] What is the simplest  most reliable process for creating such a cd?

 [2] Upgrading WHICH packages should be followed by creating such cd?
 Obviously, upgrading vim itself is NOT likely to jeopardize my next
 boot; but, the kernel, some libraries, and some packages involved in the
 early boot stages, are possible culprits.

 What do you do?

 What do you think?

It's very easy to create a GRUB boot floppy or CD. Just read the Installation 
section at: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/index.html

At a minimum you are likely to need to update GRUB whenever you upgrade or 
install a new kernel, repartition, or add/change drives.

Also, in an emergency there is a 64-bit version of Knoppix at 
http://www.applia.fr/contents/knoppix64.html that might come in handy.

Cheers!

cmr

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Re: rescue bootable cd ???

2007-10-01 Thread Jim Crilly
On 09/28/07 05:26:27PM -0500, helices wrote:
 What do you do?
 

The last few times I need to rescue something I used an Ubuntu disc that I had
laying around, it doesn't include LVM but it uses a copy-on-write unionfs so
that you can install packages onto the running LiveCD. Of course they're lost
on reboot, but with a fast Internet connection that doesn't really matter.

I would be surprised if Knoppix didn't already have similar functionality.

Jim.


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Re: rescue bootable cd ???

2007-10-01 Thread C M Reinehr
On Monday 01 October 2007 16:41, Jim Crilly wrote:
 On 09/28/07 05:26:27PM -0500, helices wrote:
  What do you do?

 The last few times I need to rescue something I used an Ubuntu disc that I
 had laying around, it doesn't include LVM but it uses a copy-on-write
 unionfs so that you can install packages onto the running LiveCD. Of course
 they're lost on reboot, but with a fast Internet connection that doesn't
 really matter.

 I would be surprised if Knoppix didn't already have similar functionality.

 Jim.

I've seen the term before but don't understand exactly what COW means, but I 
think I know what you're talking about. I had a failing disk drive last 
Friday and had to boot my system off of a Knoppix disk to see what I could 
salvage from my raid-1 array. Knoppix didn't seem to include the 
smartmontools package but I was able to use apt-get to install it on the fly 
and use it to diagnose which disk was failing.

Cheers!

cmr
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Re: rescue bootable cd ???

2007-10-01 Thread Jaime Ochoa Malagón
http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD

On 10/1/07, C M Reinehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 01 October 2007 16:41, Jim Crilly wrote:
  On 09/28/07 05:26:27PM -0500, helices wrote:
   What do you do?
 
  The last few times I need to rescue something I used an Ubuntu disc that I
  had laying around, it doesn't include LVM but it uses a copy-on-write
  unionfs so that you can install packages onto the running LiveCD. Of course
  they're lost on reboot, but with a fast Internet connection that doesn't
  really matter.
 
  I would be surprised if Knoppix didn't already have similar functionality.
 
  Jim.

 I've seen the term before but don't understand exactly what COW means, but I
 think I know what you're talking about. I had a failing disk drive last
 Friday and had to boot my system off of a Knoppix disk to see what I could
 salvage from my raid-1 array. Knoppix didn't seem to include the
 smartmontools package but I was able to use apt-get to install it on the fly
 and use it to diagnose which disk was failing.

 Cheers!

 cmr
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Re: rescue bootable cd ???

2007-10-01 Thread C M Reinehr
On Monday 01 October 2007 17:44, Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
 http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD

Yes, that's where I have seen the term before, but I've been too lazy  too 
short of time to seriously consider it. I've been playing with Debian Live in 
my spare time for the past couple of months.

Cheers!

cmr

 On 10/1/07, C M Reinehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Monday 01 October 2007 16:41, Jim Crilly wrote:
   On 09/28/07 05:26:27PM -0500, helices wrote:
What do you do?
  
   The last few times I need to rescue something I used an Ubuntu disc
   that I had laying around, it doesn't include LVM but it uses a
   copy-on-write unionfs so that you can install packages onto the running
   LiveCD. Of course they're lost on reboot, but with a fast Internet
   connection that doesn't really matter.
  
   I would be surprised if Knoppix didn't already have similar
   functionality.
  
   Jim.
 
  I've seen the term before but don't understand exactly what COW means,
  but I think I know what you're talking about. I had a failing disk drive
  last Friday and had to boot my system off of a Knoppix disk to see what I
  could salvage from my raid-1 array. Knoppix didn't seem to include the
  smartmontools package but I was able to use apt-get to install it on the
  fly and use it to diagnose which disk was failing.
 
  Cheers!
 
  cmr
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Re: rescue bootable cd ???

2007-10-01 Thread Gudjon I. Gudjonsson
Hi
   It is also possible to use the install disk. You just stop after
detecting the hard disk (don't reformat it :) Then you do:
#mkdir /mnt
#mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
#chroot /mnt
and then you can do whatever you need to fix your system.

Hope it helps
Gudjon


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Re: rescue bootable cd ???

2007-10-01 Thread Jim Crilly
On 10/01/07 05:15:27PM -0500, C M Reinehr wrote:
 I've seen the term before but don't understand exactly what COW means, but I 
 think I know what you're talking about. I had a failing disk drive last 
 Friday and had to boot my system off of a Knoppix disk to see what I could 
 salvage from my raid-1 array. Knoppix didn't seem to include the 
 smartmontools package but I was able to use apt-get to install it on the fly 
 and use it to diagnose which disk was failing.
 

COW stands for copy on write, whenever a change is made to a block (or
file maybe, I don't know what granularity unionfs uses) that block is
copied somewhere else and the original left in place so that the update
can succeed and the original still exists.  Sort of like an LVM snapshot only
instead of being backed by a LVM volume the changes are only stored in memory.

But yea, the short answer is that it allows you to make changes and install
software on read-only medium like CDs. =)

Jim.


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