Packages.
Hi. Whenever i install Debian, i always use the netinst and select nothing but the base system. Then it's apt al the way: first X, then a lightweight WM plus whatever i need. However, even with a minimal install there are always a bunch of packages that i didn't choose and that (apparently) aren't used by any other package. This time i decided to nstall X from the installer menu, so i got X+GNOME. I still had to work around the xorg.conf to get it working (framebuffer). The thing is, i'm allergic to unused packages and i dislike big desktop enviroments like GNOME or KDE. And i know that if i do apt-get remove --purge gnome* there will still be leftovers, like Evolution. I don't think neither apt nor aptitude (or even synaptic, another usual leftover) have this, but is there a way to know if a package is depended upon? Automagically removing it if not? Actually my favourite is apt, i dislike the other two. I'm going through the list of installed packages and their descriptions in the debian site, i even have a fortune-cookies package! Wtf? And i skipped all the lib* and x* ones... How can i get rid of everything gnome? Just wishfull thinking in the wrong list, but it would be nice if developers of mamoths like X, GNOME and KDE would develop installers which let you choose what you want to install and/or that only install componets whcih are really necessart. I already have openoffice, i don't need gnumeric; nor do i need 30 graphics drivers when i'll only use one. Any constructive suggestions would be much appreciated. -- Fica bem, porta-te mal. Be well, misbehave. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Packages.
Nuno Magalhães wrote: Hi. Whenever i install Debian, i always use the netinst and select nothing but the base system. Same here. Then it's apt al the way: first X, then a lightweight WM plus whatever i need. However, even with a minimal install there are always a bunch of packages that i didn't choose and that (apparently) aren't used by any other package. This did not happen to me, though. This time i decided to nstall X from the installer menu, so i got X+GNOME. I still had to work around the xorg.conf to get it working (framebuffer). The thing is, i'm allergic to unused packages and i dislike big desktop enviroments like GNOME or KDE. And i know that if i do apt-get remove --purge gnome* there will still be leftovers, like Evolution. I don't think neither apt nor aptitude (or even synaptic, another usual leftover) have this, but is there a way to know if a package is depended upon? Automagically removing it if not? Actually my favourite is apt, i dislike the other two. deborphan shows packages that are orphaned, that is, nothing depends on them. I'm not sure if it can automatically remove them, but that's easy to do anyway. However, I'd do that via aptitude, see below. I'm going through the list of installed packages and their descriptions in the debian site, i even have a fortune-cookies package! Wtf? And i skipped all the lib* and x* ones... How can i get rid of everything gnome? What I recomend is to use aptitude, and press M (or was it m? well, whatever) to mark the packages you feel you don't need as automatically installed. Then if nothing depends on them, they will be removed. You might want to press 'l' and enter something like this !~pimportant!~prequired!~M to get a list of packages that are not marked as automatically installed (that is, they are not a dependency of something else that got automatically pulled in) and are not marked 'important' or 'required'. And aptitude lets you see quickly what a package is for. Another thing that you can try is simply ask the package to be removed. If you get broken packages or other things are being removed, then the package is needed by something else. -- Opportunities are usually disguised as hard work, so most people don't recognize them. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://move.to/hpkb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Packages.
Hi, Nuno On Saturday 08 December 2007 12:40, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Hi. Whenever i install Debian, i always use the netinst and select nothing but the base system. Then it's apt al the way: first X, then a lightweight WM plus whatever i need. However, even with a minimal install there are always a bunch of packages that i didn't choose and that (apparently) aren't used by any other package. This time i decided to nstall X from the installer menu, so i got X+GNOME. I still had to work around the xorg.conf to get it working (framebuffer). The thing is, i'm allergic to unused packages and i dislike big desktop enviroments like GNOME or KDE. And i know that if i do apt-get remove --purge gnome* there will still be leftovers, like Evolution. I don't think neither apt nor aptitude (or even synaptic, another usual leftover) have this, but is there a way to know if a package is depended upon? Automagically removing it if not? Actually my favourite is apt, i dislike the other two. I agree with you that the fewer packages the better. I know of no single program which will identify and automatically remove unwanted, unneeded packages, but two which will help are deborphan and aptitude. Deborphan is self-explanatory and fairly straight forward to use, but WRT to aptitude what I found helpful is: `aptitude search '~i'`. Issue this command on the command line and you will receive a list of all installed packages such as: i acpid - Utilities for using ACPI power management i adduser - add and remove users and groups i A akregator - RSS feed aggregator for KDE i A alien - convert and install rpm and other packages The A indicates that the package was installed automatically, presumably due to a dependency. A more detailed examination using aptitude or `apt-cache rdepends package_name` can show you the dependencies. HTH! cmr I'm going through the list of installed packages and their descriptions in the debian site, i even have a fortune-cookies package! Wtf? And i skipped all the lib* and x* ones... How can i get rid of everything gnome? Just wishfull thinking in the wrong list, but it would be nice if developers of mamoths like X, GNOME and KDE would develop installers which let you choose what you want to install and/or that only install componets whcih are really necessart. I already have openoffice, i don't need gnumeric; nor do i need 30 graphics drivers when i'll only use one. Any constructive suggestions would be much appreciated. -- Fica bem, porta-te mal. Be well, misbehave. -- Debian 'Etch' - Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC
Re: Packages.
On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 05:51:13PM -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: Nuno Magalhães wrote: Hi. Whenever i install Debian, i always use the netinst and select nothing but the base system. Same here. Then it's apt al the way: first X, then a lightweight WM plus whatever i need. However, even with a minimal install there are always a bunch of packages that i didn't choose and that (apparently) aren't used by any other package. This did not happen to me, though. This time i decided to nstall X from the installer menu, so i got X+GNOME. I still had to work around the xorg.conf to get it working (framebuffer). The thing is, i'm allergic to unused packages and i dislike big desktop enviroments like GNOME or KDE. And i know that if i do apt-get remove --purge gnome* there will still be leftovers, like Evolution. I don't think neither apt nor aptitude (or even synaptic, another usual leftover) have this, but is there a way to know if a package is depended upon? Automagically removing it if not? Actually my favourite is apt, i dislike the other two. deborphan shows packages that are orphaned, that is, nothing depends on them. I'm not sure if it can automatically remove them, but that's easy to do anyway. However, I'd do that via aptitude, see below. I'm going through the list of installed packages and their descriptions in the debian site, i even have a fortune-cookies package! Wtf? And i skipped all the lib* and x* ones... How can i get rid of everything gnome? What I recomend is to use aptitude, and press M (or was it m? well, whatever) to mark the packages you feel you don't need as automatically installed. Then if nothing depends on them, they will be removed. You might want to press 'l' and enter something like this !~pimportant!~prequired!~M to get a list of packages that are not marked as automatically installed (that is, they are not a dependency of something else that got automatically pulled in) and are not marked 'important' or 'required'. And aptitude lets you see quickly what a package is for. Another thing that you can try is simply ask the package to be removed. If you get broken packages or other things are being removed, then the package is needed by something else. If you use aptitude interactively, it gives you a chance to back out of the removal before it goes ahead with it (I think with a control-U). But once you go ahead with it, you're stuck. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: System crash caused by the powernow-k8 kernel module
On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 11:11:14PM +0200, Teodor wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:33:30 +0900 Mattia Dongili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 10:34:53AM +0100, Daniel van Eeden wrote: modinfo powernow-k8 on my machine does not show any parms for debugging. Some modules can be loaded with a debug option enabled. booting with cpufreq.debug=7 should enable (a lot) more messages. This is what is shows in the boot log: Dec 2 23:03:33 piti kernel: Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet vga=791 panic=20 cpufreq.debug=7 Dec 2 23:03:33 piti kernel: Unknown boot option `cpufreq.debug=7': ignoring Where else should I try to add this parameter? sorry for the very late reply, you need CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEBUG=y to be able to use the aforementioned parameter cheers -- mattia :wq! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Packages.
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:35:42 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you use aptitude interactively, it gives you a chance to back out of the removal before it goes ahead with it (I think with a control-U). But once you go ahead with it, you're stuck. What about debfoster? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
