Re: Partition suggestions.
Koen Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 11:12 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 08:23:50AM +1100, Alex Samad wrote:
Just to add my mix to the mix
I usually set up like
500M /boot
10G /
2G ( or roughly mem size) to swap
the rest to LVM
with LVM I can expand/reduce and just about anything I want to do
That's part of why I put swap in LVM. Why not put swap in LVM?
Sorry to jump into the thread like this, but: Why not put root on LVM as
well? I only put /boot in a separate partition, and use all remaining
space for LVM. But I'd rather know now that my setup sucks (so I can do
something about it), then when it bites me...
Best,
Koen
If you do (and if you have a /boot then why the hell not?) then
remeber to link /etc/lvm/{archive,backup} to /boot/lvm so they are
available if the lvm ever breaks.
MfG
Goswin
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Re: Partition suggestions.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:17:47AM +0100, Koen Vermeer wrote:
Sorry to jump into the thread like this, but: Why not put root on LVM as
well? I only put /boot in a separate partition, and use all remaining
space for LVM. But I'd rather know now that my setup sucks (so I can do
something about it), then when it bites me...
Well if root is in LVM, then fixing problems if you ever screw up the
LVM config is much much harder. And either way you need one partition
outside LVM, either /boot or all of /.
Having managed to screw up LVM and need to fix it again, I was sure
happy root wasn't in LVM that day.
Provided you linked /etc/lvm/{backup,archive} to /boot/lvm then
repairing LVM just needs a grml (or similar live-cd).
Or a rescue partition. On some systems I actualy have installed a mini
Debian on one partition just for rescue purposes later on.
MfG
Goswin
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Re: Clock Skew Due to CPU Frequency Management? (was Re: Dual-core system will not create NTP peers)
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 07:37:32AM -0600, Moshe Yudkowsky wrote: I had a very kind private communication from a list member. Let me reformulate my question. On the AMD64 dual-core platform, the system clock has far too much drift even though the hardware clock seems well behaved. I don't seem to be experiencing the double-speed clock problem that I see references to on the net as of a few years ago, but I am experiencing some other odd behavior. The most likely culprit, as far as I can tell from research, is some interaction between the hardware's ability to adjust CPU clock speed to save power/control temperature (which then influences the system clock's theory of what a CPU tick means in terms of actual time passing) with the dual-core mode. But that seems rather wacky. I find it hard to believe that a kernel release wouldn't work on dual core CPUs. But if the problem really is that's the case, I would like to know what boot-time settings I can use to test this hypothesis. For that matter I'd like to know why the kernel itself isn't picking up on this theoretical problem -- ISTR reading about an enhanced CPU clock mode that could solve this problem, but I can't find references to it or how to build a kernel or modules from source that would include this capability. I've spent a substantial amount of time on this problem, and I can't come to any conclusion. I have to wonder if it's a problem with NTP itself, but if so it's a problem that only manifests itself on the AMD64 box, although I continue to fiddle with NTP settings. Someone here at work was having trouble getting NTP working on their system a few weeks ago. Disabling spread spectrum in the BIOS solved the problem. Of course as far as I know disabling spread spectrum violate emmisions certifications in europe, but I could be wrong about that since I don't actually live there (anymore at least). Spread spectrum clocking really screws with the timings NTP depends on. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grub Error 15 File not found
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 03:39:44PM -0600, Stephen Olander-Waters wrote: No... tab-completion in the grub bootloader confirms the initrd is there. Within the system, the file is non-zero and appears to be generated correctly when you do dpkg-reconfigure. Hrm... any other ideas? What does your menu.lst contain and what does /boot contain? -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: In-place upgrade from i386
Joerg Dorchain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello,
I have a system with an intel core 2 dou CPU, which currently runs fine
Debian-i386.
I want to change it to amd64 with certain conditions:
- Same package selection
- Same debconf
- Same config files
- Same disk afterwards
as on current i386 when it runs amd64.
So far I managed to run an amd64 kernel.
For the user space I though an
apt-get -o APT::Architecture=amd64 {update|-f install}
would do it, but stop immediately with
E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on
libc6
Any other ideas?
Is an in-place debootstrap possible? Or can I hook the disk on another
system and do a debboostrap there without loosing the above mentioned
information?
TIA,
Joerg
You can do an in-place upgarde with some hacks and I would rather you
won't even try.
- Create a copy of the libc6 and ld.so and add the dir to
/etc/ld.so.conf. Worst case you have to run the ld with full path
and pass the binary you need as argument. E.g.:
/backup/ld-2.3.6.so /bin/ls
Also add /lib32, /usr/lib32 to ld.so.conf and make them links to
/emul/ia32-linux/lib and /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib.
- Rename maintainer files in /var/lib/dpkg/info.
You need to rename any package that contains a library, e.g. prefix
them with ia32-. E.g. zlib1g - ia32-zlib1g.
- Move libraries and docs.
You need to move all libraries from /lib to /lib32 and /usr/lib to
/usr/lib32. But dont't move subdirs.
For /usr/share/doc you need to rename the directories to match the
renaming done in the last step. Beware that some dirs are links.
Also look out for diversions.
- Fix diversions and status file
You need to change the package names in diversions and status files
to match the names chosen above (ia32-zlib1g). This includes
especially the Depends, Conflicts, Pre-Depends lines.
Also change the Architecture field to amd64.
If you have done all this and you still have a running system then you
can start to upgrade.
Now install libc6 (the old 32bit one is now ia32-libc6), perl, dpkg,
apt in that order while forcing the arch to amd64. This is the big
test if you did everything right above.
Reinstall every not renamed package on your system (everything not
ia32-...). This causes each of them to be upgraded to the 64bit
version. If you upgarde from sarge to etch at the same time then
upgrade, dist-upgrade will do most of them automatically.
Now you should have a full 64bit system with some unused 32bit cruft
left behind. Purge all ia32-* packages to get rid of cruft.
Enjoy or despair, your choice.
MfG
Goswin
PS: Doesn't reinstalling sound so much simpler?
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Re: grub Error 15 File not found
On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 11:40 -0600, Stephen Olander-Waters wrote: Debian unstable with latest updates Debian 2.6.24 amd64 kernel I can't seem to use the 2.6.24 Debian kernel. Whenever I boot up, grub reports Error 15 File Not Found. I can fall back on my old 2.6.23 kernel and it works just fine. Using tab-completion in the command line editor feature of grub, I can confirm that the files are there. They just won't load! I solved the problem. My /boot/grub/device.map file had the entries for hda and sda swapped. When you switch the boot partition from one drive to another, you should update that file. :) Cheers, -s -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: initng
Alex Samad wrote: As for your udev/ldap problems - please tell what these problems are if you want help with them. yeah I think in initramfs or really early on, udev starts up and tries to mount ??? or get access to the passwd DB, but ldap hasn't started. Turn on all sorts of debugging, (in PAM/NSS) and find out exactly what names / UIDs the PC tries to look up. Make sure those exists in /etc/passwd. After that, the system shouldn't need to consult ldap at all during bootup. Not until ordinary users (presumably found in ldap) start logging in. Helge Hafting -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clock Skew Due to CPU Frequency Management? (was Re: Dual-core system will not create NTP peers)
Len, Thanks for writing with the spread-spectrum idea. I don't know if you saw the final email in this thread, but it turns out that (as far as I can tell) adjtimexconfig made a bad estimate when it was installed, and put a TICK value of 9750 in /etc/defaults/adjtimex, which of course works out to a clock that's always 2.5% slow. -- Moshe Yudkowsky * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.pobox.com/~moshe Poor Mexico -- so far from G-d and so near the United States. -- President Porfirio Diaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ı'm using asus
hi, I have a asus f3sv computer and my ethernet device is Attansic L1 Gigabit Ethernet I want to use a netinst cd and debian 4.0r3 amd64 coldn't ıdentıfy my ethernet device i find a web site http://atl1.sourceforge.net/ if kernel version coud be upper then * 2.6.21* *ethernet* device won't be a problem as i understand. Which version's (testing\unstable) kernel version is upper than 2.6.21 ??
Re: ??'m using asus
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 08:46:33PM +0200, can comert wrote: I have a asus f3sv computer and my ethernet device is Attansic L1 Gigabit Ethernet I want to use a netinst cd and debian 4.0r3 amd64 coldn't ??dent??fy my ethernet device i find a web site http://atl1.sourceforge.net/ if kernel version coud be upper then * 2.6.21* *ethernet* device won't be a problem as i understand. Which version's (testing\unstable) kernel version is upper than 2.6.21 ?? You can't use that network device with Etch. It works fine with the lenny install disc (My P5K board has the same chip). I used the lenny install disc from about 4 weeks ago and it installed perfectly. This does mean you won't be running stable of course, but oh well. You do not have to download the driver seperately since it is included with newer kernels. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ı'm using asus
On Mon February 25 2008 10:46:33 am can comert wrote: hi, I have a asus f3sv computer and my ethernet device is Attansic L1 Gigabit Ethernet I want to use a netinst cd and debian 4.0r3 amd64 coldn't ıdentıfy my ethernet device i find a web site http://atl1.sourceforge.net/ if kernel version coud be upper then * 2.6.21* *ethernet* device won't be a problem as i understand. Which version's (testing\unstable) kernel version is upper than 2.6.21 ?? Have a look here, I think the testing kernel is 2.6.22+. http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
Re: ı'm using asus
Hi On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 20:46 +0200, can comert wrote: I have a asus f3sv computer and my ethernet device is Attansic L1 Gigabit Ethernet I want to use a netinst cd and debian 4.0r3 amd64 coldn't ıdentıfy my ethernet device i find a web site http://atl1.sourceforge.net/ if kernel version coud be upper then 2.6.21 ethernet device won't be a problem as i understand. Which version's (testing\unstable) kernel version is upper than 2.6.21 ?? testing/lenny will give you kernel 2.6.23. Steve
Re: ??'m using asus
Lennart Sorensen: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 08:46:33PM +0200, can comert wrote: I have a asus f3sv computer and my ethernet device is Attansic L1 Gigabit Ethernet -- snip You can't use that network device with Etch. That's not strictly true. Etch doesn't contain a kernel recent enough to use that hardware, but that doesn't prevent anyone from installing etch without ethernet and compile a more recent kernel later on. If you, comcert, don't want or don't know how to compile your own kernel after installation, you can still use an inofficial version of the installer which uses a more or less current kernel: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/. J. -- If I was Mark Chapman I would have shot John Lennon with a water pistol. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ??'m using asus
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:18:56PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: That's not strictly true. Etch doesn't contain a kernel recent enough to use that hardware, but that doesn't prevent anyone from installing etch without ethernet and compile a more recent kernel later on. That's just a pain though. If you, comcert, don't want or don't know how to compile your own kernel after installation, you can still use an inofficial version of the installer which uses a more or less current kernel: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/. Unfortunately he neglected to include the atl1 driver in his build. I tried that one first. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ??'m using asus
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:24:28PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:18:56PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: That's not strictly true. Etch doesn't contain a kernel recent enough to use that hardware, but that doesn't prevent anyone from installing etch without ethernet and compile a more recent kernel later on. That's just a pain though. Any chance he could just use a lenny kernel? - hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ??'m using asus
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:56:50PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:48:46PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:24:28PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:18:56PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: That's not strictly true. Etch doesn't contain a kernel recent enough to use that hardware, but that doesn't prevent anyone from installing etch without ethernet and compile a more recent kernel later on. That's just a pain though. Any chance he could just use a lenny kernel? Probably, after you get the system installed. Doing a net install without a network port is a pain. One could install an old spare network card to do the install, then upgrade the kernel and then use the built in network I suppose. Yeah. That's what I did with my new machine a year or two ago. Then I waited about four months for X to catch up. But the machine's primary use was as an NFS server, and that worked just fine. When the kernel caught up to my on-board ethernet, suddenly I had no network connectivity because it had renumbered my eth's. Pulling out the spare network card did the trick. -- hendrik -- hendrik -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ??'m using asus
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 15:56 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:48:46PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:24:28PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:18:56PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: That's not strictly true. Etch doesn't contain a kernel recent enough to use that hardware, but that doesn't prevent anyone from installing etch without ethernet and compile a more recent kernel later on. That's just a pain though. Any chance he could just use a lenny kernel? I'd almost guarantee that with money. :-) I had a problem with one of the old lenny kernels not working with my Nikon D40 camera. I solved the problem by installing the sid kernel using dpkg -i so I wouldn't have to muck around with sources.list. Probably, after you get the system installed. Doing a net install without a network port is a pain. One could install an old spare network card to do the install, then upgrade the kernel and then use the built in network I suppose. That's probably the easiest way. If you haven't got a spare NIC handy then second hand one from computer fairs are very cheap. The other way (if you have a spare AMD64 system) is to install on that system and then just move the disks. I've used that method to install embedded systems which don't have a CDROM drive by using my laptop. Bit of a bugger moving the disk, not as easy as plugging a spare NIC into a PCI slot, but it works. Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ia32 library repository
Hi, amd64 users. It looks like my first announcement didn't get through. It's in bug #464796, message #35. I've already added wine 0.9.55 packages and nspluginwrapper. So far, my 32 bit needs are covered. There are some applications that have broken amd64 versions. I won't provide the 32 bit versions however, unless there's demand for them and the maintainer agrees. There're some libraries that haven't been tested and may fail (reports are welcome). For instance, those making use of plugins like sane. Requests for packages in main and contrib may be accepted, specially if they don't have an amd64 counterpart. I've already contacted some maintainers to try to keep this as automated as possible. I've been told one single DD could help solve the repository bandwidth problem. Help is always welcome. Bye. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ??'m using asus
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:22:04PM +, Steve Dobson wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 15:56 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:48:46PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:24:28PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:18:56PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: That's not strictly true. Etch doesn't contain a kernel recent enough to use that hardware, but that doesn't prevent anyone from installing etch without ethernet and compile a more recent kernel later on. Probably, after you get the system installed. Doing a net install without a network port is a pain. One could install an old spare network card to do the install, then upgrade the kernel and then use the built in network I suppose. That's probably the easiest way. If you haven't got a spare NIC handy then second hand one from computer fairs are very cheap. The other way (if you have a spare AMD64 system) is to install on that system and then just move the disks. I've used that method to install embedded systems which don't have a CDROM drive by using my laptop. Bit of a bugger moving the disk, not as easy as plugging a spare NIC into a PCI slot, but it works. If you have a spare null-modem cable you can also network over that to another computer. Of course, if you're on dialup, just hook up to the modem normally. The questions for the OP are: Do you want the stability of Stable (Etch) or can you tolerate things breaking for a while before getting fixed (Lenny) or are you experienced enough to run Sid and perhaps need to occasionally downgrade a package? Also, for what use is this box? Also, what video do you use? E.g. if it needs the latest nVidia driver (won't work with either nv or the nVidia driver in Etch), then this is a factor to decide as well. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
