Re: Where is the kernel?
2009/1/5 A J Stiles de...@earthshod.co.uk: On Monday 05 Jan 2009, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Dear maintainers, just some questions What happened to the kernel higher than 2.6.26 ? Is the kernel on hold, due toe the upcoming release of Lenny? Meanwhile the latest stable kernel-version is 2.6.28 (and 2.6.29 is at work). Where is 2.6.27 and 2.6.28 in debian? I only found 2.6.26 as the latest release. Did I miss something? If you really want an up-to-the-minute kernel, what's wrong with using kernel-package to create your own deb packages from kernel.org sources? The main problem, I suppose, is to get the debian kernel patches. Is there a easy way to do a diff between the changes in the kernel.org sources and the debian patched sources? -- AJS delta echo bravo six four at earthshod dot co dot uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- --- Ivan S. P. Marin Laboratório de Hidráulica Computacional Escola de Engenharia de São Carlos Universidade de São Paulo - Brasil +55 (16) 3373 8270 -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
On 01/05/09 09:27, Lennart Sorensen wrote: [snip] experimental [snip] and 2.6.28 is there now. Yay! Thanks, Kernel Team. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I like my women like I like my coffee - purchased at above-market rates from eco-friendly organic farming cooperatives in Latin America. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:16:14AM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: It's not there, and won't be until after Lenny's release. Unless the maintainers relent and put 2.6.27 into Experimental. Well 2.6.27 was in the kernel experimental area for a while, and 2.6.28 is there now. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Fwd: Failure to load amd64 overcome, though mem problems
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 06:05:13PM +0100, Francesco Pietra wrote: Posted again from the e-mail address I am registered to -- Forwarded message -- From: Francesco Pietra francesco.pie...@accademialucchese.it Date: Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 8:26 PM Subject: Failure to load amd64 overcome, though mem problems To: amd64 Debian debian-amd64@lists.debian.org, debian-users debian-u...@lists.debian.org Hi: Near the end of last year, in a period of vacation, I posted to amd64 about failure to start amd64 lenny with a Supermicro H8QC8 motherboard. This board has chipset nVidia CK804, which is also memory controller, and AMD 8132. It bears 4 dual opteron 875 CPUs, two WD Raptor under RAID as well as 8 KVR400D4R3A/2G and 8 KVR400D4R3A/1G. Lenny is set not to load the X system. The computer is powered through an APC 1500 and Enermax EGX1000EWL. Cooling is extremely efficient. The system was shut down correctly when top indicated 24GB total RAM. After a few days untouched, the OS did not load, the screen showing a series of lines starting with RDX RBP R10 R13 FS CS CR2 DR0 DR3, followed by Call Trace: do_oage fff handle_mm_fault fff vma_link fff error_exit fff clear_user fff padzero fff get_arg_page fff copy_strings fff search_binary_handler fffdo_execve fff sys_execve fff stub_execve After that such lines alternate, and the whole Call Trace started several times anew, everything disappeared from the screen and could not be recovered with the keyboard. Knoppix 5.3.1 loaded correctly, detected all 8 logical CPUs, the raid1 partitions (mdadm) were OK, however it detected 20GB total mem, instead of the 24GB expected. memtest86+-2.11 detected 17GB total mem and was let to run for the whole 8 cycles (which took seven hours), reporting no mem errors. DMI mem device info showed: DIMM 0 to DIMM 7: size 64; speed 400; type DDR DIMM 8 to DIMM 10: size empty; speed 200; type DDR DIMM 11: size 2048; speed 200; type DDR DIMM 12 to DIMM 15: size 64; speed 200; type DDR. So it looks like DIMM 0 to 7 and 12 to 15 are behaving properly. Now assuming they are numbered in some kind of sensible order, that probably means the ram on CPU 0, 1 and 3 is working properly, but that the ram on CPU 2 is not working right. If you lost all the ram on one CPU, that would drop you from 24 to 18GB, which seems to match what you are seeing. Unfortunately that starts to sound not like a ram problem, but mroe likely a failure of the memory controller of that CPU or perhaps of the voltage regulator for the memory slots on that CPU. You could try removing all the ram from the 3rd CPU and see if the system still reports 18GB. If it does, then that would confirm that your ram on that CPU is not being detected. If you then installed that ram in place of the ram on another CPU you could find out if the ram is still working, since if it still shows 18GB working, then most likely your ram is fine. To determine if it is a mainboard or CPU problem gets more annoying. You would have to swap CPU 3 with another CPU to see if the ram failure follows the CPU to another socket, or remains with the slots of CPU 3. Now perhaps the slots are not numbered sanely in which case it could get tricky to figure out what is what. Still with 6GB missing it sure looks a lot like all the ram from one CPU has simply vanished. Does top still say you have 4 working CPUs? On rebooting, lenny started correctly. Top showed 18079572k total, also when running a parallelized application that engaged all 8 CPUs. lshw agreed with memtest as to the DIMMs, except for the one marked of size = 2048, which lshw marked of size=64. I was surprised that half of the slots were indicated by both memtest and lshw at speed=200; I tentatively assume this is a feature of the mainboard not of the mem slots. = The actual mem size is insufficient for my computations and the empty DIMMs need attention I believe. There is no system maintainer here and I have to try to restore the system alone, also because I assembled the computer. My question is from where to start at this point. The mem slots seem to be plugged in as before but I did not try to remove and replug. The four blocks on the mainboard were filled as follows: DIMMA-2A 1GB DIMMA-2B 1GB DIMMA-1A 2GB DIMMA-1B 2GB DIMMB-1B 2GB DIMMB-1A 2GB DIMMB-2B 1GB DIMMB-2A 1GB DIMMC-2A 1GB DIMMC-2B 1GB DIMMC-1A 2GB DIMMC-1B 2GB DIMMD-1B 2GB DIMMD-1A 2GB DIMMD-2B 1GB DIMMD-2A 1GB = This mail started originally under the hypothesis that the problem was some degradation of lenny. I understand now that this mail is largely out of topic both on amd64 and users. Hope only that experienced users may suggest from their experience. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?
Re: too long
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 04:10:30AM -0800, Dzilberte Bekode wrote: I'm running Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch13 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c Server at 81.89.49.231 Port 80. The problem is that when I submit any form (contact form or register form) on my webpages, it takes too long to proceed (around 2 minutes) Well other than the DNS suggestion you already got, the most likely cause is that you have some really badly written code that is doing something very slow or inefficient. Perhaps posting the code (if it isn't too big) would help more. Probably more a php issue at that point rather than amd64 specific. Or maybe you are using a very old slow machine. Given this is amd64, I doubt that. :) -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
Hans-J. Ullrich: Dear maintainers, This list is for Debian users of AMD64. You cannot expect maintainers to read it. What happened to the kernel higher than 2.6.26 ? Is the kernel on hold, due toe the upcoming release of Lenny? Yes. Meanwhile the latest stable kernel-version is 2.6.28 (and 2.6.29 is at work). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel J. -- After the millenium I would tell lies only to those who deserved them. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Where is the kernel?
Ivan Marin writes: The main problem, I suppose, is to get the debian kernel patches. Is there a easy way to do a diff between the changes in the kernel.org sources and the debian patched sources? A Debian source package consists essentially of the pristine upstream source plus a diff containing the Debian changes. But why do you need them? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
2009/1/5 John Hasler jhas...@debian.org: Ivan Marin writes: The main problem, I suppose, is to get the debian kernel patches. Is there a easy way to do a diff between the changes in the kernel.org sources and the debian patched sources? A Debian source package consists essentially of the pristine upstream source plus a diff containing the Debian changes. But why do you need them? -- I've been always curious about what are the changes that the Debian kernel team does to the pristine kernel, if any, and the differences between the pristine and the Debian .config. I will look at the linux-source package. Thanks! Ivan John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- --- Ivan S. P. Marin Laboratório de Hidráulica Computacional Escola de Engenharia de São Carlos Universidade de São Paulo - Brasil +55 (16) 3373 8270 -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 20:29, Ivan Marin ispma...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/5 John Hasler jhas...@debian.org: Ivan Marin writes: The main problem, I suppose, is to get the debian kernel patches. Is there a easy way to do a diff between the changes in the kernel.org sources and the debian patched sources? A Debian source package consists essentially of the pristine upstream source plus a diff containing the Debian changes. But why do you need them? -- I've been always curious about what are the changes that the Debian kernel team does to the pristine kernel, if any, and the differences between the pristine and the Debian .config. I will look at the linux-source package. You can look at the diff with zless kernel package.diff.gz . The debian/changelog file should contain even some references for the patch applied and why. Regards, -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Dear maintainers, just some questions What happened to the kernel higher than 2.6.26 ? Is the kernel on hold, due toe the upcoming release of Lenny? Meanwhile the latest stable kernel-version is 2.6.28 (and 2.6.29 is at work). Where is 2.6.27 and 2.6.28 in debian? I only found 2.6.26 as the latest release. Did I miss something? Cheers Hans It's not there, and won't be until after Lenny's release. Unless the maintainers relent and put 2.6.27 into Experimental. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
Ivan Marin writes: I've been always curious about what are the changes that the Debian kernel team does to the pristine kernel, if any, and the differences between the pristine and the Debian .config. Description: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.25 with Debian patches This package provides source code for the Linux kernel version 2.6.25. This source closely tracks official Linux kernel releases. Debian's modifications to that source consist of security fixes, bug fixes, and features that have already been (or we believe will be) accepted by the upstream maintainers. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
2009/1/5 John Hasler jhas...@debian.org: Ivan Marin writes: I've been always curious about what are the changes that the Debian kernel team does to the pristine kernel, if any, and the differences between the pristine and the Debian .config. Description: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.25 with Debian patches This package provides source code for the Linux kernel version 2.6.25. This source closely tracks official Linux kernel releases. Debian's modifications to that source consist of security fixes, bug fixes, and features that have already been (or we believe will be) accepted by the upstream maintainers. Thanks! I was wondering about how to find (and maybe apply myself some of) each of the security fixes, bug fixes, and features to a pristine kernel. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Where is the kernel?
Dear maintainers, just some questions What happened to the kernel higher than 2.6.26 ? Is the kernel on hold, due toe the upcoming release of Lenny? Meanwhile the latest stable kernel-version is 2.6.28 (and 2.6.29 is at work). Where is 2.6.27 and 2.6.28 in debian? I only found 2.6.26 as the latest release. Did I miss something? Cheers Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:16:14AM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: It's not there, and won't be until after Lenny's release. Unless the maintainers relent and put 2.6.27 into Experimental. Well 2.6.27 was in the kernel experimental area for a while, and 2.6.28 is there now. Yes. Most users either aren't aware, forget about the existence of it, or don't want to mess with kernel experimental. And most of the time, they'd be right. The Lenny freeze is causing an exception to the usual rule. I personally think both kernels should be is the main experimental section, or even in Sid. But I am not a Debian Maintainer. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:41:26AM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Yes. Most users either aren't aware, forget about the existence of it, or don't want to mess with kernel experimental. And most of the time, they'd be right. The Lenny freeze is causing an exception to the usual rule. I personally think both kernels should be is the main experimental section, or even in Sid. But I am not a Debian Maintainer. Given the number of bug reports the kernel packaging team deals with, I can understand why they might not want to make it too easy to get a hold of experimental kernel builds. Besides the more testing there is of the lenny kernel before release, the better. Exactly. That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream. To reiterate the thoughts of millions of right-thinking people, 2.6.27 should be the official Lenny kernel. Or at least be packaged alongside 2.6.26 in the final distribution as an alternative. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Re: Where is the kernel?
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:16:14AM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: It's not there, and won't be until after Lenny's release. Unless the maintainers relent and put 2.6.27 into Experimental. Well 2.6.27 was in the kernel experimental area for a while, and 2.6.28 is there now. -- Len Sorensen Len, I tried apt-get -d install linux-image -t experimental but it showed only all versions of 2.6.26 How can I download (but NOT install) the latest kernel from experimental? Regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
on 01/06/09 06:58, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: apt-get -d install linux-image -t experimental but it showed only all versions of 2.6.26 How can I download (but NOT install) the latest kernel from experimental? According to Debian Wiki[1], you can get latest package from other repository. [1]:http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel -- /* * Masami Ichikawa * mailto: hangar...@mub.biglobe.ne.jp * : masami...@gmail.com */ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:06:18PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Exactly. That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream. To reiterate the thoughts of millions of right-thinking people, 2.6.27 should be the official Lenny kernel. Or at least be packaged alongside 2.6.26 in the final distribution as an alternative. Well I certainly wouldn't object to 2.6.27 being the Lenny kernel, but I have no say in that matter. I have had some odd behaviour with 2.6.26 on a few machines that I can't reproduce easily and hence haven't been able to file bug reports about. 2.6.25 seemed a lot better. I haven't tried 27 or 28 yet. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Re: Where is the kernel?
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:58:40PM +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: I tried apt-get -d install linux-image -t experimental but it showed only all versions of 2.6.26 How can I download (but NOT install) the latest kernel from experimental? Not debian experimental. The kernel experimental area. deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main appears to work. Or just point a web browser at http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/dists/trunk/main/... -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:06:18PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Exactly. That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream. To reiterate the thoughts of millions of right-thinking people, 2.6.27 should be the official Lenny kernel. Or at least be packaged alongside 2.6.26 in the final distribution as an alternative. Well I certainly wouldn't object to 2.6.27 being the Lenny kernel, but I have no say in that matter. That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, so it is not necessarily a good idea for the people that rely on those for a desktop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 02:07, Robert Isaac rjis...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:06:18PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Exactly. That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream. To reiterate the thoughts of millions of right-thinking people, 2.6.27 should be the official Lenny kernel. Or at least be packaged alongside 2.6.26 in the final distribution as an alternative. Well I certainly wouldn't object to 2.6.27 being the Lenny kernel, but I have no say in that matter. That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, I'm sorry, but that's not the case: Debian is *only* main, non-free is a commodity place we provide for our users, it's not that something broked in non-free would stop the release to happen. so it is not necessarily a good idea for the people that rely on those for a desktop. That's surely a problem, not a blocking one. What made the release team to decide to stay with .26 is that kernel and security teams assured their support along all the lenny life, that all other thing heavily coupled with the kernel (for example xen, selinux, nfs, etc) have been tested and (almost) proved working with that kernel version. Changing kernel now would be a big mistake. Hope this clarify the situation. Regards, -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
Robert Isaac wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:06:18PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Exactly. That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream. To reiterate the thoughts of millions of right-thinking people, 2.6.27 should be the official Lenny kernel. Or at least be packaged alongside 2.6.26 in the final distribution as an alternative. Well I certainly wouldn't object to 2.6.27 being the Lenny kernel, but I have no say in that matter. That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, so it is not necessarily a good idea for the people that rely on those for a desktop. The you say! Is this why I can't get X going under vanilla 2.6.28? Any word on the ETA of the fixing of the breakage? What's the deal, anyway? The nVidia blob installer tries to make like it can't find the kernel headers, nor the compiled output. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
On 01/05/09 19:52, Mark Allums wrote: Robert Isaac wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:06:18PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Exactly. That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream. To reiterate the thoughts of millions of right-thinking people, 2.6.27 should be the official Lenny kernel. Or at least be packaged alongside 2.6.26 in the final distribution as an alternative. Well I certainly wouldn't object to 2.6.27 being the Lenny kernel, but I have no say in that matter. That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, so it is not necessarily a good idea for the people that rely on those for a desktop. The you say! Is this why I can't get X going under vanilla 2.6.28? Any word on the ETA of the fixing of the breakage? What's the deal, anyway? The nVidia blob installer tries to make like it can't find the kernel headers, nor the compiled output. What version? (I just built a kernel from linux-source-2.6.28, but haven't booted it yet. Still on 2.6.27 snap 12516. Using binary 177.82, kernel 64 bit with 32 bit userland. Works like a charm...) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I like my women like I like my coffee - purchased at above-market rates from eco-friendly organic farming cooperatives in Latin America. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
