Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
James Brown  writes:

> Victor Padro wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:08 PM, James Brown wrote:
>>   
>>> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
>>> But the system "see" only 3GB:
>>> dmesg |grep Memory
>>> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
>>> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
>>> $ cat /proc/meminfo
>>> MemTotal:  3088108 kB
>>>
>>>
>>> How can I get all my 4GB memory?
>>>
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>> Did you realize that you might have memory shared for your video adapter?
>>
>>   
>
> Do you think that it maybe that the lost 1GB of my RAM use my videocard?
> And how did it work before upgrade my RAM, when I had 1GD at all?

Some memory is lost to the gfx board. Some is blocked to make room for
PCI devices. When you only have 1GB there where 3GB space left for PCI
so nothing had to be blocked.

Usualy the parts lost to PCI should be remapped to above 4GB. But not
every chipset can do that, esspecially those limited to 4GB. Or the
option is turned of in the bios.

My POV/ION330 board supports up to 8GB ram and I configured the gfx to
use only 32MB. Still I only see 3.5GB of my 4GB ram. I'm in the same
situation of wondering where my ram did go.

MfG
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Re: Q about ia32-apt-get

2009-07-20 Thread Dave Witbrodt

Goswin von Brederlow wrote:

Alex Samad  writes:


Hi

Seems like there has been some traffic about ia32-apt-get, just
wondering if this is the new way forward instead of ia32-libs

is there any must read articles about ia32-apt-get ?

Alex


That remains to be seen. Some people want the old ia32-libs back but
so far the new maintainer hasn't uploaded it again. And I will keep
using and maintaining ia32-apt-get.

At the moment it is a "Pick your poison" situation.


FWIW, I was always curious about whether it was possible for the Debian 
to provide a more sane packaging system than 'ia32-libs' for 32-bit 
libraries on AMD64 setups.  Now that 'ia32-apt-get' has moved from 
experimental to unstable, I immediately switched to the new system to 
test it and (maybe) help iron out any bugs.  In the long run, I think it 
makes much more sense for Debian (and its derivatives) to do things this 
way.



Dave W.


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread Bob Proulx
James Brown wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> >   apt-get install memtest86+
>
> It see only 3GB, not 4GB.

I looked up the Acer TravelMate 3040 series and supposedly it has two
200-pin sodimm slots.  This is an obvious question but are you sure
your two slots both have a 2G dimm in them?  Is it possible that one
of them is only a 1G dimm?  I myself would be inclined to test each
dimm in each slot separately and make sure that each one is seen as 2G
by the system independently.  (Be careful for ESD damage when handling
the ram.)

Perhaps you have a bad dimm.  Perhaps you have a bad address pin on a
dimm slot.  If you find that one combination isn't producing a full 2G
then you have isolated a problem.  If both are 2G in both slots then
together the boot time BIOS ram power on self test should report 4G.
If not then I think this would be a BIOS problem.  You might need to
check your laptop's BIOS for updates to see if this is a problem with
an update.

Other than these things I have no further suggestions.  Good luck!

Bob


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread James Brown
Mark Allums wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
>> James Brown wrote:
>>> Bob Proulx wrote:
 Hmm...  I recommend installing memtest86+ and then seeing how much
 memory it detects at boot time.

   apt-get install memtest86+

 This should automatically install a grub boot entry and be very easy
 to boot into afterward.  I am thinking it might only detect 3G too.
 In any case this would be a good independent test.
>>> I have installed this packege but I can  find neither a man-page of it
>>> nor the help information. How can I use it (I think that it works when
>>> system booting) and when (and how) can I see the results of this test?
>>
>> It is a boot time image.  Reboot and observe the grub boot menu.  Use
>> the cursor keys to move down to the memtest image.  Boot that image.
>>
>> Memtest86 will run forever until you stop it from running.  It is an
>> infinitely running test program.  It is very useful for testing
>> memory.  But here I was interested in how much memory it reported and
>> so you could stop it almost immediately after noting that information.
>>
>> Upstream package documentation mostly documenting building it is
>> available in /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README*.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>
> I'm posting the obvious, but:  Are you sure you have installed the
> amd64 distro?
>
> If so, then it may take some kernel boot parameters to see all of the
> memory, or you may need to check your BIOS settings.
>
> Mark Allums
>
>  
What are the kernel boot parameters?
P.S. I cannot change my BIOS memory settings, I tried do it earlier but
it was impossible.


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread James Brown
Bob Proulx wrote:
> James Brown wrote:
>   
>> Bob Proulx wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmm...  I recommend installing memtest86+ and then seeing how much
>>> memory it detects at boot time.
>>>
>>>   apt-get install memtest86+
>>>
>>> This should automatically install a grub boot entry and be very easy
>>> to boot into afterward.  I am thinking it might only detect 3G too.
>>> In any case this would be a good independent test.
>>>   
>> I have installed this packege but I can  find neither a man-page of it
>> nor the help information. How can I use it (I think that it works when
>> system booting) and when (and how) can I see the results of this test?
>> 
>
> It is a boot time image.  Reboot and observe the grub boot menu.  Use
> the cursor keys to move down to the memtest image.  Boot that image.
>
> Memtest86 will run forever until you stop it from running.  It is an
> infinitely running test program.  It is very useful for testing
> memory.  But here I was interested in how much memory it reported and
> so you could stop it almost immediately after noting that information.
>
> Upstream package documentation mostly documenting building it is
> available in /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README*.
>
> Bob
>
>
>   
It see only 3GB, not 4GB.


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread Mark Allums

Bob Proulx wrote:

James Brown wrote:

Bob Proulx wrote:

Hmm...  I recommend installing memtest86+ and then seeing how much
memory it detects at boot time.

  apt-get install memtest86+

This should automatically install a grub boot entry and be very easy
to boot into afterward.  I am thinking it might only detect 3G too.
In any case this would be a good independent test.

I have installed this packege but I can  find neither a man-page of it
nor the help information. How can I use it (I think that it works when
system booting) and when (and how) can I see the results of this test?


It is a boot time image.  Reboot and observe the grub boot menu.  Use
the cursor keys to move down to the memtest image.  Boot that image.

Memtest86 will run forever until you stop it from running.  It is an
infinitely running test program.  It is very useful for testing
memory.  But here I was interested in how much memory it reported and
so you could stop it almost immediately after noting that information.

Upstream package documentation mostly documenting building it is
available in /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README*.

Bob




I'm posting the obvious, but:  Are you sure you have installed the amd64 
distro?


If so, then it may take some kernel boot parameters to see all of the 
memory, or you may need to check your BIOS settings.


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread Bob Proulx
James Brown wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > Hmm...  I recommend installing memtest86+ and then seeing how much
> > memory it detects at boot time.
> >
> >   apt-get install memtest86+
> >
> > This should automatically install a grub boot entry and be very easy
> > to boot into afterward.  I am thinking it might only detect 3G too.
> > In any case this would be a good independent test.
>
> I have installed this packege but I can  find neither a man-page of it
> nor the help information. How can I use it (I think that it works when
> system booting) and when (and how) can I see the results of this test?

It is a boot time image.  Reboot and observe the grub boot menu.  Use
the cursor keys to move down to the memtest image.  Boot that image.

Memtest86 will run forever until you stop it from running.  It is an
infinitely running test program.  It is very useful for testing
memory.  But here I was interested in how much memory it reported and
so you could stop it almost immediately after noting that information.

Upstream package documentation mostly documenting building it is
available in /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README*.

Bob


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread James Brown
Andrés Reyes Douglas wrote:
>
> hi,
> my Lenny  'uname -ra' is:
>
> Linux m0702deeareyesd 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 17:46:45 UTC
> 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> [0.004000] Memory: 3913828k/4849664k available (2226k kernel code,
> 137744k reserved, 1082k data, 392k init)
>
> I've 4Gb without sharing memory (video). Make sure that you aren't
> sharing memory for video.
>
> bye
>
> Andrés
>
> Quoting James Brown 
> gmail.com>:
>
> > Andrés Reyes Douglas wrote:
> >>
> >> Please send your:
> >>
> >> uname -ra
> >>
> >> Quoting James Brown :
> >>
> >> > I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with
> 4GD RAM.
> >> > But the system "see" only 3GB:
> >> > dmesg |grep Memory
> >> > [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel
> code,
> >> > 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
> >> > $ cat /proc/meminfo
> >> > MemTotal:  3088108 kB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > How can I get all my 4GB memory?
> >> >
> >> >
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> > ~$ uname -ra
> > Linux IGOR 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 21 04:47:08 UTC 2009 x86_64
> > GNU/Linux
> >
> >
>
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Thanks, how I can test it?


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread James Brown
Bob Proulx wrote:
> James Brown wrote:
>   
>> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
>> But the system "see" only 3GB:
>> dmesg |grep Memory
>> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code, 
>> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
>> 
>
> Hmm...  I recommend installing memtest86+ and then seeing how much
> memory it detects at boot time.
>
>   apt-get install memtest86+
>
> This should automatically install a grub boot entry and be very easy
> to boot into afterward.  I am thinking it might only detect 3G too.
> In any case this would be a good independent test.
>
> I wish you hadn't cross-posted this question.
>
> Bob
>   

Hello, Bob,
Very thanks to you.
I have installed this packege but I can  find neither a man-page of it
nor the help information. How can I use it (I think that it works when
system booting) and when (and how) can I see the results of this test?



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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread Victor Padro
> There is 3071MB RAM I can see in my BIOS.

my guess is again that video is eating all that Gigabyte.

> But I have Windows XP pre-installed on my laptop too with some acer
> laptop special utilities. And such utility "see" all my 4GB under
> Windows XP (the Windows XP "see" only 3GB too, but it is not the version
> for 64 bits).
>
Try using an Ubuntu AMD64 liveCD and verify the RAM using the process
tool there.


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread James Brown
Victor Padro wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Victor Padro wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM, James Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Victor Padro wrote:
>>>   
 On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:08 PM, James Brown wrote:

 
> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
> But the system "see" only 3GB:
> dmesg |grep Memory
> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
> $ cat /proc/meminfo
> MemTotal:  3088108 kB
>
>
> How can I get all my 4GB memory?
>
>
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>   
 Did you realize that you might have memory shared for your video adapter?


 
>>> Do you think that it maybe that the lost 1GB of my RAM use my videocard?
>>> And how did it work before upgrade my RAM, when I had 1GD at all?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> More RAM you have more memory can be shared for the video adapter.
>>
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>> 
>
> I forgot to tell you, that perhaps you can set the amount of memory
> shared in the BIOS, but know this, some BIOS have that option and some
> others doesn't.
>
>   
There is 3071MB RAM I can see in my BIOS.
But I have Windows XP pre-installed on my laptop too with some acer
laptop special utilities. And such utility "see" all my 4GB under
Windows XP (the Windows XP "see" only 3GB too, but it is not the version
for 64 bits).


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread Bob Proulx
James Brown wrote:
> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
> But the system "see" only 3GB:
> dmesg |grep Memory
> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code, 54428k 
> reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)

Hmm...  I recommend installing memtest86+ and then seeing how much
memory it detects at boot time.

  apt-get install memtest86+

This should automatically install a grub boot entry and be very easy
to boot into afterward.  I am thinking it might only detect 3G too.
In any case this would be a good independent test.

I wish you hadn't cross-posted this question.

Bob


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread Victor Padro
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Victor Padro wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM, James Brown wrote:
>> Victor Padro wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:08 PM, James Brown wrote:
>>>
 I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
 But the system "see" only 3GB:
 dmesg |grep Memory
 [    0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
 $ cat /proc/meminfo
 MemTotal:      3088108 kB


 How can I get all my 4GB memory?


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>>>
>>> Did you realize that you might have memory shared for your video adapter?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Do you think that it maybe that the lost 1GB of my RAM use my videocard?
>> And how did it work before upgrade my RAM, when I had 1GD at all?
>>
>>
>
> More RAM you have more memory can be shared for the video adapter.
>
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I forgot to tell you, that perhaps you can set the amount of memory
shared in the BIOS, but know this, some BIOS have that option and some
others doesn't.

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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread Victor Padro
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM, James Brown wrote:
> Victor Padro wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:08 PM, James Brown wrote:
>>
>>> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
>>> But the system "see" only 3GB:
>>> dmesg |grep Memory
>>> [    0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
>>> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
>>> $ cat /proc/meminfo
>>> MemTotal:      3088108 kB
>>>
>>>
>>> How can I get all my 4GB memory?
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Did you realize that you might have memory shared for your video adapter?
>>
>>
>
> Do you think that it maybe that the lost 1GB of my RAM use my videocard?
> And how did it work before upgrade my RAM, when I had 1GD at all?
>
>

More RAM you have more memory can be shared for the video adapter.

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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread James Brown
Victor Padro wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:08 PM, James Brown wrote:
>   
>> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
>> But the system "see" only 3GB:
>> dmesg |grep Memory
>> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
>> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
>> $ cat /proc/meminfo
>> MemTotal:  3088108 kB
>>
>>
>> How can I get all my 4GB memory?
>>
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> Did you realize that you might have memory shared for your video adapter?
>
>   

Do you think that it maybe that the lost 1GB of my RAM use my videocard?
And how did it work before upgrade my RAM, when I had 1GD at all?


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread Victor Padro
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:08 PM, James Brown wrote:
> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
> But the system "see" only 3GB:
> dmesg |grep Memory
> [    0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
> $ cat /proc/meminfo
> MemTotal:      3088108 kB
>
>
> How can I get all my 4GB memory?
>
>
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Did you realize that you might have memory shared for your video adapter?

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I want all my 4GB!!!

2009-07-20 Thread James Brown
I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
But the system "see" only 3GB:
dmesg |grep Memory
[0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
$ cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:  3088108 kB


How can I get all my 4GB memory?


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Re: What is the matter with the "http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/"?

2009-07-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aníbal Monsalve Salazar  writes:

> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:28:33AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>>On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:17:04PM +1000, Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote:
>>>On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53:43AM +0400, James Brown wrote:
>>>http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype/http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype-amd64/
Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for
Debian?
>>>I'll see if I can build those packages using sid.
>
> I won't do it. See Joerg Jaspert's mail message.
>
>>Please *stop* distributing this stuff from *any* .debian.org server. If
>>you really want to use a private machine, but not the project servers.
>
> Stopped.

It is also not neccessary as ia32-apt-get can utilize the official
i386 repository just fine.

MfG
Goswin


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Re: Q about ia32-apt-get

2009-07-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Alex Samad  writes:

> Hi
>
> Seems like there has been some traffic about ia32-apt-get, just
> wondering if this is the new way forward instead of ia32-libs
>
> is there any must read articles about ia32-apt-get ?
>
> Alex

That remains to be seen. Some people want the old ia32-libs back but
so far the new maintainer hasn't uploaded it again. And I will keep
using and maintaining ia32-apt-get.

At the moment it is a "Pick your poison" situation.

MfG
Goswin


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