Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
A J Stiles wrote: On Tuesday 21 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote: I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims. I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the Putins secret political police such SORM can control all my outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP. Are you really so naïve as to think that Governments haven't paid the developers of Skype to insert a backdoor? That could explain part of the reason why they are so dead set against anybody else getting their hands on the Source Code. Putin's and Medvedev's bloody terror dictatorial band already are going to ban using skype and other VoIP in Russia: http://www.point.ru/news/stories/20598/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 01:55:57PM +0400, James Brown wrote: The fact skype is p2p is part of why I hate it. It is a complete nightmare to try and deal with on company networks. Trying to allow skype (because some people insist on it being amazingly useful) while blocking other p2p traffic is very very hard. As a specialist in the matters of blocking P2P, could you advice any mesuares for users for avoding blocking P2P from company/country's firewall etc.? I am afraid that the terrible Pustin's dictatorial regim intend to take measures banning P2P, VoIP etc. in Russia: http://www.point.ru/news/stories/20598/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Unexpected unset of domainname
The laptop - Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi, OS - Debian Lenny AMD 64. When installing Debian on my laptop, I had set domainname which unexpectedly was unseted some days ago. My router define my machine now as unknown. Before this unexpected unsetting of my laptop's domainame I only change my MAC-adresses through command ifconfig (with restoring dafaults when rebooting my system). In the /proc/sys/kernel/domainnaim I see none', when I write there my domainname manually my router see my machine as unknone too, not by my domainname. There is only a settings of nameserver set defaultly nn the /etc/resolve.conf. When I trying to change this file manually the system restore it to the defaults (with only direction to nameserver). In the man of the resolv.conf I read: If this file doesn’t exist the only name server to be queried will be on the local machine; the domain name is determined from the hostname and the domain search path is constructed from the domain name. There is my hostname in my /etc/hostname, it was not unset. I don't understand why my system doesn't determine my domain name from the hostname accordinly with the man of resolv.conf? How can I to restore my settings?! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re[2]: reading the end of file
tac filename filename_taced Hey, cool. I never knew that... turns around a file, the end becomes the beginning. head -n 10 filename_taced | tac Why use an intermediary file instead of a pipe? $ tac filename | head -n10 this would be more readable in the case of a plain-text file: $ tac filename.txt | head -n 10 | tac and yes, that's cool :) -- реклама --- http://FREEhost.com.ua - еще больше места и возможностей. При заказе хостинга - домен бесплатно. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: reading the end of file
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:37:51AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-23 01:45, Ekkard Gerlach wrote: * Francesco Pietra schrieb: Hi: Is any command faster than cat filename to reach and print on screen the last page of the file? what kind of file? tail -n 10 filename makes output of last 10 lines of a file. But if there are no linefeeds/ carriage return in the files, the it makes no sense. tac filename filename_taced Hey, cool. I never knew that... turns around a file, the end becomes the beginning. head -n 10 filename_taced | tac Why use an intermediary file instead of a pipe? $ tac filename | head -n10 Well in some cases it makes a difference. tail operating on a file can read the file form the end rather than reading the whole file, while with the pipe it has no choice but to receive all the data and then return the last bit of it. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
I intend to install on my laptop under Debian Lenny AMD 64 the VM Ware Player 2.5.2 from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/download.html (becouse there is no VMWare Player in the official repositories of the Debian). Which of the packege do I need - rpm or bundle? How do install it on Debian? And what of libraries and etc. do I need install for succesfull using VMWare Player? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 01:54:35PM +0400, James Brown wrote: As a specialist in the matters of blocking P2P, could you advice any mesuares for users for avoding blocking P2P from company/country's firewall etc.? I am afraid that the terrible Pustin's dictatorial regim intend to take measures banning P2P, VoIP etc. in Russia: http://www.point.ru/news/stories/20598/ I just have a perl script run every minute that checks the netfilter connection tracking for things that behave like p2p traffic and then firewalls that connection for an hour. It has been rather effective so far. I had to add an exception for very low bandwidth p2p traffic in order to allow skype. Fortunately none of the actualy p2p file sharers are willing to try and share files that slowly so it works OK. Occationally something gets through in which case we just track down who is flooding the internet link and go apply a clue bat. :) One person got annoying enough that they are now restricted to ftp, http and https traffic only. All other traffic is blocked for that user. They haven't complained yet. Expensive packet inspection tools would probably work better, but I don't have one and really don't want to have to have one. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Lennart Sorensenlsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:10:49PM +0400, James Brown wrote: I intend to install on my laptop under Debian Lenny AMD 64 the VM Ware Player 2.5.2 from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/download.html (becouse there is no VMWare Player in the official repositories of the Debian). Which of the packege do I need - rpm or bundle? How do install it on Debian? And what of libraries and etc. do I need install for succesfull using VMWare Player? You do not want the rpm. I don't like the current bundles either. I keep nagging vmware to provide the tar files that worked with make-vmpkg again, but they are too clueless to understand why real admins won't run GUI installer crap in X as root on their systems rather than something the package manager can deal with. Fortunately we now have kvm (on machines with virtualization hardware support) which is in my opinion much better than vmware, free, open source, and maintained and part of stock kernels. I have no need for vmware anymore. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org +1 KVM is better and easier, but perhaps you should look at: http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization they have good information on virtualization products (KVM, vmware, qemu, etc). -- Usuario Linux Registrado #452368 Usuario Ubuntu Registrado #28025 Doing a thing well is often a waste of time. -- //Netbook - HP Mini 1035NR 2GB 60GB - Windows XP/Ubuntu 9.04 //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 1.86Ghz 8GB 500GB - Windows 7(testing) //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 2.40Ghz 8GB 320GB - MacOS Leopard //Desktop - Athlon 64 2.7Ghz 8GB 400GB - Ubuntu Jaunty //Server - Pentium D 3.2Ghz 8GB 1TB - Debian Lenny //Server - Celeron 1.8Ghz 1GB 160GB - Pfsense //Server - NSLU2 266Mhz 32MB 1TB - Debian Lenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:10:49PM +0400, James Brown wrote: I intend to install on my laptop under Debian Lenny AMD 64 the VM Ware Player 2.5.2 from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/download.html (becouse there is no VMWare Player in the official repositories of the Debian). Which of the packege do I need - rpm or bundle? How do install it on Debian? And what of libraries and etc. do I need install for succesfull using VMWare Player? You do not want the rpm. I don't like the current bundles either. I keep nagging vmware to provide the tar files that worked with make-vmpkg again, but they are too clueless to understand why real admins won't run GUI installer crap in X as root on their systems rather than something the package manager can deal with. Fortunately we now have kvm (on machines with virtualization hardware support) which is in my opinion much better than vmware, free, open source, and maintained and part of stock kernels. I have no need for vmware anymore. Could the kvm boot the Windows from physical disk? (I want to make the virtual machine boot my old Windows from my laptop becouse some programes from my working space don't want to run under Linux). Earlier I tried the Virtualbox but it cannot do it and the Virtualbox from the Debian's repositories don't maintain USB. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:10:49PM +0400, James Brown wrote: I intend to install on my laptop under Debian Lenny AMD 64 the VM Ware Player 2.5.2 from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/download.html (becouse there is no VMWare Player in the official repositories of the Debian). Which of the packege do I need - rpm or bundle? How do install it on Debian? And what of libraries and etc. do I need install for succesfull using VMWare Player? You do not want the rpm. I don't like the current bundles either. I keep nagging vmware to provide the tar files that worked with make-vmpkg again, but they are too clueless to understand why real admins won't run GUI installer crap in X as root on their systems rather than something the package manager can deal with. Fortunately we now have kvm (on machines with virtualization hardware support) which is in my opinion much better than vmware, free, open source, and maintained and part of stock kernels. I have no need for vmware anymore. Wow! When I tried install the kvm, the system tell me: Your system does not have the CPU extensions required to use KVM. Not doing anything. failed! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: kvm (was: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop)
On Sex, 24 Jul 2009, Lennart Sorensen wrote: Fortunately we now have kvm (on machines with virtualization hardware support) which is in my opinion much better than vmware, free, open source, and maintained and part of stock kernels. I have no need for vmware anymore. Does kvm support multiple snapshots in a tree-like structure (not only linear as VirtualBox) and switching arbitrarily between them, like VMware Workstation? That's one feature that prevents me from moving to another solution, despite all the trouble to set up VMware and to rebuild the modules when a new kernel version is out. -- Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:45:18PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Could the kvm boot the Windows from physical disk? (I want to make the virtual machine boot my old Windows from my laptop becouse some programes from my working space don't want to run under Linux). Earlier I tried the Virtualbox but it cannot do it and the Virtualbox from the Debian's repositories don't maintain USB. Yes it probably could (it supports raw disk files so I see no reason it could not). Of course you do have to prepare the windows system with the right device drivers for running on a new system, although that usually isn't too hard. The mergeide.reg seems to cover the main problem. kvm also support USB device pass through as far as I can tell. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:47:07PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:10:49PM +0400, James Brown wrote: I intend to install on my laptop under Debian Lenny AMD 64 the VM Ware Player 2.5.2 from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/download.html (becouse there is no VMWare Player in the official repositories of the Debian). Which of the packege do I need - rpm or bundle? How do install it on Debian? And what of libraries and etc. do I need install for succesfull using VMWare Player? You do not want the rpm. I don't like the current bundles either. I keep nagging vmware to provide the tar files that worked with make-vmpkg again, but they are too clueless to understand why real admins won't run GUI installer crap in X as root on their systems rather than something the package manager can deal with. Fortunately we now have kvm (on machines with virtualization hardware support) which is in my opinion much better than vmware, free, open source, and maintained and part of stock kernels. I have no need for vmware anymore. Wow! When I tried install the kvm, the system tell me: Your system does not have the CPU extensions required to use KVM. Not doing anything. failed! As I said, on machines with virtualization hardware support. Also known as vt-* on intel and svm on amd. On an intel system, if /proc/cpuinfo has the flag 'vmx', then it should work. On some systems you have to enable it in the BIOS first. On an amd system the flag to look for would be svm as far as I know. Many Core 2 systems support it, all Core i7 systems support it. Pentium line systems do not as far as I know. Another option is qemu using kqemu. Not quite as fast as kvm, but still very good and the same feature set. kqemu is probably about the speed of vmware. What CPU do you have? What does /proc/cpuinfo say? -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
Bjørn Mork wrote: James Brown jbrownfi...@gmail.com writes: When I tried install the kvm, the system tell me: Your system does not have the CPU extensions required to use KVM. Not doing anything. failed! from the kvm package description: quote KVM requires your system to support hardware virtualization, provided by AMD's SVM capability or Intel's VT. To find out if your processor has the necessary support, do as follows: . * Make sure you run Linux 2.6.16 or newer for AMD processors, or Linux 2.6.15 for Intel processors. Older Linux versions do not report the virtualization capabilities. . * Run this command in a shell: egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo . If it prints anything, the processor provides hardware virtualization support and is suitable for use with KVM. /quote It is print nothing. But do check your BIOS setup if you think your CPU should support hardware virtualization. Most have some option to disable it, and it may be disabled by default. What is the name of item I need to enable in BIOS if it exist in my BIOS? You'll probably have to check the Intel or AMD web sites to find out if your CPU is supposed to have such support. Bjørn I'll try. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: kvm (was: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop)
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:51:27PM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: Does kvm support multiple snapshots in a tree-like structure (not only linear as VirtualBox) and switching arbitrarily between them, like VMware Workstation? That's one feature that prevents me from moving to another solution, despite all the trouble to set up VMware and to rebuild the modules when a new kernel version is out. I know the copy on write format has support for snapshot like things. I have never used them though. Sounds almost more as a front end GUI issue though. I suspect most if not all of the needed support is there in kvm and qemu already, or at least is likely to be added. The really annoying thing with vmware is that it takes a while when a new kernel comes out before someone has a patch to make vmware work with it (and with 2.6.29 removing the export of some page management stuff, all the old versions of vmware are simply broken and not fixable because the fix has to go in the binary part, not the source code). I refuse to work with vmware workstation 6.5+ and server 2.0+ until they give me back the sane tarball installer. Workstation 6.0 and server 1.0 are of course broken as of 2.6.29 and not fixable by anyone other than vmware. Never mind that server 2.0 needs a web browser plugin to use it. Eww. At least kvm works well now so I don't mind that much anymore. virt-manager makes a decent gui when needed. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
James Brown jbrownfi...@gmail.com writes: When I tried install the kvm, the system tell me: Your system does not have the CPU extensions required to use KVM. Not doing anything. failed! from the kvm package description: quote KVM requires your system to support hardware virtualization, provided by AMD's SVM capability or Intel's VT. To find out if your processor has the necessary support, do as follows: . * Make sure you run Linux 2.6.16 or newer for AMD processors, or Linux 2.6.15 for Intel processors. Older Linux versions do not report the virtualization capabilities. . * Run this command in a shell: egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo . If it prints anything, the processor provides hardware virtualization support and is suitable for use with KVM. /quote But do check your BIOS setup if you think your CPU should support hardware virtualization. Most have some option to disable it, and it may be disabled by default. You'll probably have to check the Intel or AMD web sites to find out if your CPU is supposed to have such support. Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:21:56PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Bjørn Mork wrote: James Brown jbrownfi...@gmail.com writes: When I tried install the kvm, the system tell me: Your system does not have the CPU extensions required to use KVM. Not doing anything. failed! from the kvm package description: quote KVM requires your system to support hardware virtualization, provided by AMD's SVM capability or Intel's VT. To find out if your processor has the necessary support, do as follows: . * Make sure you run Linux 2.6.16 or newer for AMD processors, or Linux 2.6.15 for Intel processors. Older Linux versions do not report the virtualization capabilities. . * Run this command in a shell: egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo . If it prints anything, the processor provides hardware virtualization support and is suitable for use with KVM. /quote It is print nothing. But do check your BIOS setup if you think your CPU should support hardware virtualization. Most have some option to disable it, and it may be disabled by default. What is the name of item I need to enable in BIOS if it exist in my BIOS? You'll probably have to check the Intel or AMD web sites to find out if your CPU is supposed to have such support. Bjørn I'll try. Or just paste what /proc/cpuinfo has in it and someone can quickly tell you. We know where to find out. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
Bjørn Mork wrote: You'll probably have to check the Intel or AMD web sites to find out if your CPU is supposed to have such support. Bjørn I am afraid that my chipset don't maintain this function: $ dmesg | grep Chipset [6.694009] agpgart: Detected an Intel 945GM Chipset. http://ark.intel.com/chipset.aspx?familyID=22816 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri 24 July 2009 12:45:18 pm James Brown wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:10:49PM +0400, James Brown wrote: I intend to install on my laptop under Debian Lenny AMD 64 the VM Ware Player 2.5.2 from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/download.html (becouse there is no VMWare Player in the official repositories of the Debian). Which of the packege do I need - rpm or bundle? How do install it on Debian? And what of libraries and etc. do I need install for succesfull using VMWare Player? You do not want the rpm. I don't like the current bundles either. I keep nagging vmware to provide the tar files that worked with make-vmpkg again, but they are too clueless to understand why real admins won't run GUI installer crap in X as root on their systems rather than something the package manager can deal with. Fortunately we now have kvm (on machines with virtualization hardware support) which is in my opinion much better than vmware, free, open source, and maintained and part of stock kernels. I have no need for vmware anymore. Could the kvm boot the Windows from physical disk? (I want to make the virtual machine boot my old Windows from my laptop becouse some programes from my working space don't want to run under Linux). Earlier I tried the Virtualbox but it cannot do it and the Virtualbox from the Debian's repositories don't maintain USB. James, Download VirtualBox from the Sun repository, rather than the Debian repository. You'll get a more current version and USB will work: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads There are some features of VB that are not available in the open source edition (ose) available from a Debian repository which are available in the version from Sun. HTH cmr -- Debian 'Etch' - Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:35:55PM +0400, James Brown wrote: I am afraid that my chipset don't maintain this function: $ dmesg | grep Chipset [6.694009] agpgart: Detected an Intel 945GM Chipset. http://ark.intel.com/chipset.aspx?familyID=22816 It is a CPU thing, not a chipset thing. So the 945GM is irrelevant. I have seen core 2 Duo laptops with the 945GM that supported kvm. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:47:07PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Another option is qemu using kqemu. Not quite as fast as kvm, but still very good and the same feature set. kqemu is probably about the speed of vmware. Is it possible install on qemu Windows? It seems to me that only Linux, am I wrong? Does it maintain booting from raw disks and using USB? What CPU do you have? What does /proc/cpuinfo say? dmesg | grep CPU [ 0.00] SMP: Allowing 2 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs [ 0.00] PERCPU: Allocating 37168 bytes of per cpu data [ 0.00] NR_CPUS: 32, nr_cpu_ids: 2 [ 0.00] Initializing CPU#0 [ 0.088005] CPU: L1 I cache: 32K, L1 D cache: 32K [ 0.088005] CPU: L2 cache: 2048K [ 0.088005] CPU 0/0 - Node 0 [ 0.088005] CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 [ 0.088005] CPU: Processor Core ID: 0 [ 0.088005] CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled (TM2) [ 0.148009] CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping 06 [ 0.160010] Initializing CPU#1 [ 0.160010] CPU: L1 I cache: 32K, L1 D cache: 32K [ 0.160010] CPU: L2 cache: 2048K [ 0.160010] CPU 1/1 - Node 0 [ 0.160010] CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 [ 0.160010] CPU: Processor Core ID: 1 [ 0.160010] CPU1: Thermal monitoring enabled (TM2) [ 0.240015] CPU1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping 06 [ 0.240015] checking TSC synchronization [CPU#0 - CPU#1]: passed. [ 0.244015] Brought up 2 CPUs [ 0.244015] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: [ 0.244015] CPU1 attaching sched-domain: [ 1.218889] Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 0 [ 1.220287] Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 1 [ 2.094903] ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2] C3[C3]) [ 2.094903] ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 8 throttling states) [ 2.095115] ACPI: CPU1 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2] C3[C3]) [ 2.095115] ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports 8 throttling states) [ 89.452525] CPU0 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 89.452536] CPU1 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 89.466722] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: [ 89.466753] CPU1 attaching sched-domain: [ 8910.407330] CPU0 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 8910.407340] CPU1 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 8910.428628] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: [ 8910.428648] CPU1 attaching sched-domain: $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping : 6 cpu MHz : 1000.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 0 initial apicid : 0 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 10 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm bogomips : 3337.60 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: processor : 1 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping : 6 cpu MHz : 1000.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 1 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 1 initial apicid : 1 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 10 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm bogomips : .60 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
James Brown jbrownfi...@gmail.com writes: Bjørn Mork wrote: But do check your BIOS setup if you think your CPU should support hardware virtualization. Most have some option to disable it, and it may be disabled by default. What is the name of item I need to enable in BIOS if it exist in my BIOS? Depends. It should be an option related to the CPU, and it will often include the word virtualization. But I've also seen Vanderpool Technology used without any further explanations... Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM, James Brownjbrownfi...@gmail.com wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:47:07PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Another option is qemu using kqemu. Not quite as fast as kvm, but still very good and the same feature set. kqemu is probably about the speed of vmware. Is it possible install on qemu Windows? It seems to me that only Linux, am I wrong? Does it maintain booting from raw disks and using USB? What CPU do you have? What does /proc/cpuinfo say? dmesg | grep CPU [ 0.00] SMP: Allowing 2 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs [ 0.00] PERCPU: Allocating 37168 bytes of per cpu data [ 0.00] NR_CPUS: 32, nr_cpu_ids: 2 [ 0.00] Initializing CPU#0 [ 0.088005] CPU: L1 I cache: 32K, L1 D cache: 32K [ 0.088005] CPU: L2 cache: 2048K [ 0.088005] CPU 0/0 - Node 0 [ 0.088005] CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 [ 0.088005] CPU: Processor Core ID: 0 [ 0.088005] CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled (TM2) [ 0.148009] CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping 06 [ 0.160010] Initializing CPU#1 [ 0.160010] CPU: L1 I cache: 32K, L1 D cache: 32K [ 0.160010] CPU: L2 cache: 2048K [ 0.160010] CPU 1/1 - Node 0 [ 0.160010] CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 [ 0.160010] CPU: Processor Core ID: 1 [ 0.160010] CPU1: Thermal monitoring enabled (TM2) [ 0.240015] CPU1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping 06 [ 0.240015] checking TSC synchronization [CPU#0 - CPU#1]: passed. [ 0.244015] Brought up 2 CPUs [ 0.244015] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: [ 0.244015] CPU1 attaching sched-domain: [ 1.218889] Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 0 [ 1.220287] Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 1 [ 2.094903] ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2] C3[C3]) [ 2.094903] ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 8 throttling states) [ 2.095115] ACPI: CPU1 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2] C3[C3]) [ 2.095115] ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports 8 throttling states) [ 89.452525] CPU0 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 89.452536] CPU1 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 89.466722] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: [ 89.466753] CPU1 attaching sched-domain: [ 8910.407330] CPU0 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 8910.407340] CPU1 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 8910.428628] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: [ 8910.428648] CPU1 attaching sched-domain: $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping : 6 cpu MHz : 1000.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 0 initial apicid : 0 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 10 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm bogomips : 3337.60 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: processor : 1 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping : 6 cpu MHz : 1000.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 1 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 1 initial apicid : 1 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 10 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm bogomips : .60 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Acording to this your processor might or might not support virtualization using kvm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors#Core_2_Duo_2 I think you can stick with vmware server. -- Usuario Linux Registrado #452368 Usuario Ubuntu Registrado #28025 Doing a thing well is often a waste of time. -- //Netbook - HP Mini 1035NR 2GB 60GB - Windows XP/Ubuntu 9.04 //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 1.86Ghz 8GB 500GB - Windows 7(testing) //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 2.40Ghz 8GB 320GB - MacOS Leopard //Desktop - Athlon 64 2.7Ghz 8GB 400GB - Ubuntu Jaunty //Server - Pentium D 3.2Ghz 8GB 1TB - Debian Lenny //Server - Celeron 1.8Ghz 1GB 160GB - Pfsense //Server - NSLU2 266Mhz 32MB 1TB - Debian Lenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 08:32:22PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: Depends. It should be an option related to the CPU, and it will often include the word virtualization. But I've also seen Vanderpool Technology used without any further explanations... What do you think 'VT' means? :) -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen) writes: Yes it probably could (it supports raw disk files so I see no reason it could not). Of course you do have to prepare the windows system with the right device drivers for running on a new system, although that usually isn't too hard. The mergeide.reg seems to cover the main problem. I recently did the exercise of moving an existing XP installation from a laptop to a KVM image. Learned the mergeide.reg lesson the hard way. You are much better off if you prepare this while you still can boot Windows on the native hardware where it was originally installed. But I did manage to fix it after creating the KVM image by mounting the it on the host and using chntpw to modify the Windows registry. Would be great if someone wrote a .reg import script for chntpw, but I guess nobody in their right mind uses it that way... I also refreshed a previous lesson regarding Windows and the BPB embedded in the partition boot sector. Had to change the number of heads to get rid of the feared Disk read error on boot (this appears before you even get to the missing ide driver blue screen). Finally I had to disable intelppm.sys and processr.sys to avoid the last few blue screens. Some useful references for anyone wanting to repeat this: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314082 http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2005/10/24/484461.aspx http://www.geocities.com/thestarman3/asm/mbr/NTFSBR.htm And do remember to make backups of the registry files, boot sectors and other elements you are changing! You really should consider doing it all on a copy of the original installation. Windows is very fragile, and it's very easy to fuck up something. Get an USB drive and create a copy of the windows disk there for experimenting. Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:48:22PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Is it possible install on qemu Windows? It seems to me that only Linux, am I wrong? Does it maintain booting from raw disks and using USB? kvm and qemu both support pretty much the same features (kvm uses qemu as it's user interface). kqemu is a kernel module to allow qemu to do pretty much what vmware does for virtual machines, while kvm does the same thing using the hardware virtualization features (and hence faster and more efficiently). $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz Well unfortunately, the T5600 and up has VT, the T5500 does not (unless it is the one stepping that accidentally had VT support enabled, but that was stepping 2 and you have stepping 6). Intel really isn't helping to make this less confusing. They like to turn off features on low end chips for no good reason other than they can. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen) writes: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 08:32:22PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: Depends. It should be an option related to the CPU, and it will often include the word virtualization. But I've also seen Vanderpool Technology used without any further explanations... What do you think 'VT' means? :) I know now :-) But a small additional text, like (hardware virtualization support) wouldn't have hurt... Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
Victor Padro wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM, James Brownjbrownfi...@gmail.com wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:47:07PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Another option is qemu using kqemu. Not quite as fast as kvm, but still very good and the same feature set. kqemu is probably about the speed of vmware. Is it possible install on qemu Windows? It seems to me that only Linux, am I wrong? Does it maintain booting from raw disks and using USB? What CPU do you have? What does /proc/cpuinfo say? dmesg | grep CPU [ 0.00] SMP: Allowing 2 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs [ 0.00] PERCPU: Allocating 37168 bytes of per cpu data [ 0.00] NR_CPUS: 32, nr_cpu_ids: 2 [ 0.00] Initializing CPU#0 [ 0.088005] CPU: L1 I cache: 32K, L1 D cache: 32K [ 0.088005] CPU: L2 cache: 2048K [ 0.088005] CPU 0/0 - Node 0 [ 0.088005] CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 [ 0.088005] CPU: Processor Core ID: 0 [ 0.088005] CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled (TM2) [ 0.148009] CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping 06 [ 0.160010] Initializing CPU#1 [ 0.160010] CPU: L1 I cache: 32K, L1 D cache: 32K [ 0.160010] CPU: L2 cache: 2048K [ 0.160010] CPU 1/1 - Node 0 [ 0.160010] CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 [ 0.160010] CPU: Processor Core ID: 1 [ 0.160010] CPU1: Thermal monitoring enabled (TM2) [ 0.240015] CPU1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping 06 [ 0.240015] checking TSC synchronization [CPU#0 - CPU#1]: passed. [ 0.244015] Brought up 2 CPUs [ 0.244015] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: [ 0.244015] CPU1 attaching sched-domain: [ 1.218889] Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 0 [ 1.220287] Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 1 [ 2.094903] ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2] C3[C3]) [ 2.094903] ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 8 throttling states) [ 2.095115] ACPI: CPU1 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2] C3[C3]) [ 2.095115] ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports 8 throttling states) [ 89.452525] CPU0 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 89.452536] CPU1 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 89.466722] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: [ 89.466753] CPU1 attaching sched-domain: [ 8910.407330] CPU0 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 8910.407340] CPU1 attaching NULL sched-domain. [ 8910.428628] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: [ 8910.428648] CPU1 attaching sched-domain: $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping : 6 cpu MHz : 1000.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 0 initial apicid : 0 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 10 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm bogomips : 3337.60 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: processor : 1 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping : 6 cpu MHz : 1000.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 1 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 1 initial apicid : 1 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 10 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm bogomips : .60 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Acording to this your processor might or might not support virtualization using kvm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors#Core_2_Duo_2 I think you can stick with vmware server. I cannot find in the above output of dmesg the type of my CPU. There is an information that it can be Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 or T7400 or T7600 In the manual of my laptop. In the site directed by you I find that E8190 does not support Intel Virtualization Technology. I cannot understand that concirning my CPU. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz processor : 1 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping : 6 cpu MHz : 1000.000 cache size : 2048 KB No, You have the T5500 as your cat /proc/cpuinfo stated. -- Usuario Linux Registrado #452368 Usuario Ubuntu Registrado #28025 Doing a thing well is often a waste of time. -- //Netbook - HP Mini 1035NR 2GB 60GB - Windows XP/Ubuntu 9.04 //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 1.86Ghz 8GB 500GB - Windows 7(testing) //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 2.40Ghz 8GB 320GB - MacOS Leopard //Desktop - Athlon 64 2.7Ghz 8GB 400GB - Ubuntu Jaunty //Server - Pentium D 3.2Ghz 8GB 1TB - Debian Lenny //Server - Celeron 1.8Ghz 1GB 160GB - Pfsense //Server - NSLU2 266Mhz 32MB 1TB - Debian Lenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Bjørn Morkbj...@mork.no wrote: James Brown jbrownfi...@gmail.com writes: model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz That one is supposed to support VT according to http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27253 Yes, but as Lennart stated not all the T5500 have the extension, in this case James Laptop is one of the ones who doesn't have them. http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?series=23517 -- Usuario Linux Registrado #452368 Usuario Ubuntu Registrado #28025 Doing a thing well is often a waste of time. -- //Netbook - HP Mini 1035NR 2GB 60GB - Windows XP/Ubuntu 9.04 //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 1.86Ghz 8GB 500GB - Windows 7(testing) //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 2.40Ghz 8GB 320GB - MacOS Leopard //Desktop - Athlon 64 2.7Ghz 8GB 400GB - Ubuntu Jaunty //Server - Pentium D 3.2Ghz 8GB 1TB - Debian Lenny //Server - Celeron 1.8Ghz 1GB 160GB - Pfsense //Server - NSLU2 266Mhz 32MB 1TB - Debian Lenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:48:22PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Is it possible install on qemu Windows? It seems to me that only Linux, am I wrong? Does it maintain booting from raw disks and using USB? kvm and qemu both support pretty much the same features (kvm uses qemu as it's user interface). kqemu is a kernel module to allow qemu to do pretty much what vmware does for virtual machines, while kvm does the same thing using the hardware virtualization features (and hence faster and more efficiently). $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz Well unfortunately, the T5600 and up has VT, the T5500 does not (unless it is the one stepping that accidentally had VT support enabled, but that was stepping 2 and you have stepping 6). Intel really isn't helping to make this less confusing. They like to turn off features on low end chips for no good reason other than they can. The Acer compony's officers are frauds! There is an information about CPU T7200 or T7400 or T7600 in the manual of my laptop. Why did they install T5500?! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:32 PM, James Brownjbrownfi...@gmail.com wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:48:22PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Is it possible install on qemu Windows? It seems to me that only Linux, am I wrong? Does it maintain booting from raw disks and using USB? kvm and qemu both support pretty much the same features (kvm uses qemu as it's user interface). kqemu is a kernel module to allow qemu to do pretty much what vmware does for virtual machines, while kvm does the same thing using the hardware virtualization features (and hence faster and more efficiently). $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz Well unfortunately, the T5600 and up has VT, the T5500 does not (unless it is the one stepping that accidentally had VT support enabled, but that was stepping 2 and you have stepping 6). Intel really isn't helping to make this less confusing. They like to turn off features on low end chips for no good reason other than they can. The Acer compony's officers are frauds! There is an information about CPU T7200 or T7400 or T7600 in the manual of my laptop. Why did they install T5500?! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org most of the times acer puts a sticker on the palm rest stating the hardware specifications, if it's you case you should see the model of your processor. -- Usuario Linux Registrado #452368 Usuario Ubuntu Registrado #28025 Doing a thing well is often a waste of time. -- //Netbook - HP Mini 1035NR 2GB 60GB - Windows XP/Ubuntu 9.04 //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 1.86Ghz 8GB 500GB - Windows 7(testing) //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 2.40Ghz 8GB 320GB - MacOS Leopard //Desktop - Athlon 64 2.7Ghz 8GB 400GB - Ubuntu Jaunty //Server - Pentium D 3.2Ghz 8GB 1TB - Debian Lenny //Server - Celeron 1.8Ghz 1GB 160GB - Pfsense //Server - NSLU2 266Mhz 32MB 1TB - Debian Lenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
C M Reinehr wrote: On Fri 24 July 2009 12:45:18 pm James Brown wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:10:49PM +0400, James Brown wrote: I intend to install on my laptop under Debian Lenny AMD 64 the VM Ware Player 2.5.2 from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/download.html (becouse there is no VMWare Player in the official repositories of the Debian). Which of the packege do I need - rpm or bundle? How do install it on Debian? And what of libraries and etc. do I need install for succesfull using VMWare Player? You do not want the rpm. I don't like the current bundles either. I keep nagging vmware to provide the tar files that worked with make-vmpkg again, but they are too clueless to understand why real admins won't run GUI installer crap in X as root on their systems rather than something the package manager can deal with. Fortunately we now have kvm (on machines with virtualization hardware support) which is in my opinion much better than vmware, free, open source, and maintained and part of stock kernels. I have no need for vmware anymore. Could the kvm boot the Windows from physical disk? (I want to make the virtual machine boot my old Windows from my laptop becouse some programes from my working space don't want to run under Linux). Earlier I tried the Virtualbox but it cannot do it and the Virtualbox from the Debian's repositories don't maintain USB. James, Download VirtualBox from the Sun repository, rather than the Debian repository. You'll get a more current version and USB will work: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads There are some features of VB that are not available in the open source edition (ose) available from a Debian repository which are available in the version from Sun. HTH cmr I did this installation but now I have something strange: when I gave command virtualbox the bash answered me that this command didn't found. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri 24 July 2009 02:45:31 pm James Brown wrote: C M Reinehr wrote: On Fri 24 July 2009 12:45:18 pm James Brown wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:10:49PM +0400, James Brown wrote: I intend to install on my laptop under Debian Lenny AMD 64 the VM Ware Player 2.5.2 from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/download.html (becouse there is no VMWare Player in the official repositories of the Debian). Which of the packege do I need - rpm or bundle? How do install it on Debian? And what of libraries and etc. do I need install for succesfull using VMWare Player? You do not want the rpm. I don't like the current bundles either. I keep nagging vmware to provide the tar files that worked with make-vmpkg again, but they are too clueless to understand why real admins won't run GUI installer crap in X as root on their systems rather than something the package manager can deal with. Fortunately we now have kvm (on machines with virtualization hardware support) which is in my opinion much better than vmware, free, open source, and maintained and part of stock kernels. I have no need for vmware anymore. Could the kvm boot the Windows from physical disk? (I want to make the virtual machine boot my old Windows from my laptop becouse some programes from my working space don't want to run under Linux). Earlier I tried the Virtualbox but it cannot do it and the Virtualbox from the Debian's repositories don't maintain USB. James, Download VirtualBox from the Sun repository, rather than the Debian repository. You'll get a more current version and USB will work: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads There are some features of VB that are not available in the open source edition (ose) available from a Debian repository which are available in the version from Sun. HTH cmr I did this installation but now I have something strange: when I gave command virtualbox the bash answered me that this command didn't found. The binary is VirtualBox (/usr/bin/VirtualBox) -- mind the capitalization. cmr -- Debian 'Etch' - Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:48:22PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Is it possible install on qemu Windows? It seems to me that only Linux, am I wrong? Does it maintain booting from raw disks and using USB? kvm and qemu both support pretty much the same features (kvm uses qemu as it's user interface). kqemu is a kernel module to allow qemu to do pretty much what vmware does for virtual machines, while kvm does the same thing using the hardware virtualization features (and hence faster and more efficiently). $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz Well unfortunately, the T5600 and up has VT, the T5500 does not (unless it is the one stepping that accidentally had VT support enabled, but that was stepping 2 and you have stepping 6). Intel really isn't helping to make this less confusing. They like to turn off features on low end chips for no good reason other than they can. And hear http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27253 they wrote that T5500 supportes VT Are they, intel team, idiots, if they write one in one place, and another - in another place?! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:06:42AM +0400, James Brown wrote: And hear http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27253 they wrote that T5500 supportes VT Are they, intel team, idiots, if they write one in one place, and another - in another place?! It just means that their confusion plan is working. Perhaps too well. Based on what I found, only stepping 2 had VT on the T5500. The other T5500 steppings do not. Apparently the intent was for all T5500s to not have VT, although the link you provided certainly disagrees with that. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:32:22PM +0400, James Brown wrote: The Acer compony's officers are frauds! There is an information about CPU T7200 or T7400 or T7600 in the manual of my laptop. Why did they install T5500?! It's a build option. My wife's tablet was available with all those models too. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Lennart Sorensenlsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:06:42AM +0400, James Brown wrote: And hear http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27253 they wrote that T5500 supportes VT Are they, intel team, idiots, if they write one in one place, and another - in another place?! It just means that their confusion plan is working. Perhaps too well. Based on what I found, only stepping 2 had VT on the T5500. The other T5500 steppings do not. Apparently the intent was for all T5500s to not have VT, although the link you provided certainly disagrees with that. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org not entirely: http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?series=23517 -- Usuario Linux Registrado #452368 Usuario Ubuntu Registrado #28025 Doing a thing well is often a waste of time. -- //Netbook - HP Mini 1035NR 2GB 60GB - Windows XP/Ubuntu 9.04 //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 1.86Ghz 8GB 500GB - Windows 7(testing) //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 2.40Ghz 8GB 320GB - MacOS Leopard //Desktop - Athlon 64 2.7Ghz 8GB 400GB - Ubuntu Jaunty //Server - Pentium D 3.2Ghz 8GB 1TB - Debian Lenny //Server - Celeron 1.8Ghz 1GB 160GB - Pfsense //Server - NSLU2 266Mhz 32MB 1TB - Debian Lenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:09:32PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: James Brown jbrownfi...@gmail.com writes: model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz That one is supposed to support VT according to http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27253 Well intel's pages do seem to indicate in a number of places that VT is supported, yet many many people have confirmed that the T5500 does not have VT supporte enabled (except stepping 2). It seems intel has screwed up on the T5500 somewhere, either in the documentation or the actual production. Other places intel does say it does NOT have VT (or rather they don't say it does). For example: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9SQ (does not have VT) http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9U8 (has VT) Both are T5500s. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:30:54PM -0500, Victor Padro wrote: Yes, but as Lennart stated not all the T5500 have the extension, in this case James Laptop is one of the ones who doesn't have them. http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?series=23517 I almost wonder wether the OEM T5500s do not have VT and the retail (if there is such a thing for mobile chips) do. Looking at that page the only two chips with a price listed have VT, and those without prices do not have VT. Seems rather odd doesn't it? -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:21:29PM +0400, James Brown wrote: [ 0.148009] CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz stepping 06 So your system has a T5500 stepping 6. I cannot find in the above output of dmesg the type of my CPU. There is an information that it can be Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 or T7400 or T7600 In the manual of my laptop. In the site directed by you I find that E8190 does not support Intel Virtualization Technology. The E8190 is a desktop CPU not a mobile CPU. It is a special OPEM version of the E8200 with VT and a few other features removed so HP (I believe) could sell a box for less than $399 or whatever their price point was, never mind the features the customer lost. I cannot understand that concirning my CPU. Well the T5500 is listed as sometimes having VT depending on the stepping. It seems yours is one of the T5500s that does not have VT. Most T5500s appear to not have VT. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 03:20:51PM -0500, Victor Padro wrote: not entirely: http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?series=23517 It seems most people have determined that the info intel lists for the T5500 is wrong. Perhaps that would be something worth discussing with intel if you bought a system with the intent of using VT just to discover it doesn't have it, although the BIOS also has to support it and some laptop makers simply don't care to make it work. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Lennart Sorensenlsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:30:54PM -0500, Victor Padro wrote: Yes, but as Lennart stated not all the T5500 have the extension, in this case James Laptop is one of the ones who doesn't have them. http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?series=23517 I almost wonder wether the OEM T5500s do not have VT and the retail (if there is such a thing for mobile chips) do. Looking at that page the only two chips with a price listed have VT, and those without prices do not have VT. Seems rather odd doesn't it? -- Len Sorensen Yes it is. :) -- Usuario Linux Registrado #452368 Usuario Ubuntu Registrado #28025 Doing a thing well is often a waste of time. -- //Netbook - HP Mini 1035NR 2GB 60GB - Windows XP/Ubuntu 9.04 //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 1.86Ghz 8GB 500GB - Windows 7(testing) //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 2.40Ghz 8GB 320GB - MacOS Leopard //Desktop - Athlon 64 2.7Ghz 8GB 400GB - Ubuntu Jaunty //Server - Pentium D 3.2Ghz 8GB 1TB - Debian Lenny //Server - Celeron 1.8Ghz 1GB 160GB - Pfsense //Server - NSLU2 266Mhz 32MB 1TB - Debian Lenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Lennart Sorensenlsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 03:20:51PM -0500, Victor Padro wrote: not entirely: http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?series=23517 It seems most people have determined that the info intel lists for the T5500 is wrong. Perhaps that would be something worth discussing with intel if you bought a system with the intent of using VT just to discover it doesn't have it, although the BIOS also has to support it and some laptop makers simply don't care to make it work. -- Len Sorensen Most of the times budget laptops doesn't provide virtualization capabilities, so it's better in this case the OP stays with vmware server, or something like that. -- Usuario Linux Registrado #452368 Usuario Ubuntu Registrado #28025 Doing a thing well is often a waste of time. -- //Netbook - HP Mini 1035NR 2GB 60GB - Windows XP/Ubuntu 9.04 //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 1.86Ghz 8GB 500GB - Windows 7(testing) //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 2.40Ghz 8GB 320GB - MacOS Leopard //Desktop - Athlon 64 2.7Ghz 8GB 400GB - Ubuntu Jaunty //Server - Pentium D 3.2Ghz 8GB 1TB - Debian Lenny //Server - Celeron 1.8Ghz 1GB 160GB - Pfsense //Server - NSLU2 266Mhz 32MB 1TB - Debian Lenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 03:36:22PM -0500, Victor Padro wrote: Most of the times budget laptops doesn't provide virtualization capabilities, so it's better in this case the OP stays with vmware server, or something like that. Or kqemu, which happens to use the same interface and fileformats as kvm, making it easy to move to kvm on a new box later. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: VM Ware Player under Debian Lenny AMD64 on laptop
C M Reinehr wrote: On Fri 24 July 2009 02:45:31 pm James Brown wrote: C M Reinehr wrote: On Fri 24 July 2009 12:45:18 pm James Brown wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:10:49PM +0400, James Brown wrote: I intend to install on my laptop under Debian Lenny AMD 64 the VM Ware Player 2.5.2 from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/download.html (becouse there is no VMWare Player in the official repositories of the Debian). Which of the packege do I need - rpm or bundle? How do install it on Debian? And what of libraries and etc. do I need install for succesfull using VMWare Player? You do not want the rpm. I don't like the current bundles either. I keep nagging vmware to provide the tar files that worked with make-vmpkg again, but they are too clueless to understand why real admins won't run GUI installer crap in X as root on their systems rather than something the package manager can deal with. Fortunately we now have kvm (on machines with virtualization hardware support) which is in my opinion much better than vmware, free, open source, and maintained and part of stock kernels. I have no need for vmware anymore. Could the kvm boot the Windows from physical disk? (I want to make the virtual machine boot my old Windows from my laptop becouse some programes from my working space don't want to run under Linux). Earlier I tried the Virtualbox but it cannot do it and the Virtualbox from the Debian's repositories don't maintain USB. James, Download VirtualBox from the Sun repository, rather than the Debian repository. You'll get a more current version and USB will work: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads There are some features of VB that are not available in the open source edition (ose) available from a Debian repository which are available in the version from Sun. HTH cmr I did this installation but now I have something strange: when I gave command virtualbox the bash answered me that this command didn't found. The binary is VirtualBox (/usr/bin/VirtualBox) -- mind the capitalization. cmr Very thanks. It is enough write VirtualBox in the terminal (but when I used virtualvox-ose I wrote virtualbox, not VirtualBox). Now I have a very strange problem: after booting the Windows under my new VirtualBox my system (either Windows under VirtualBox or Debian on my phisical machine, I cannot use Ctl-Alt-Del, Ctl-Alt-Shift, Ctl-Alt-Fn and I cannot do any more than to press poweroff button on my laptop. In the 3rd time after booting Windows under VirtualBox my system (on physical machine) was crash, power was off without any my doing and my phisical machine rebooted. Now I am afraid maybe it was a virus of the BIOS I cached through VirtualBox? Or maybe it is simply becouse I boot my Windows from vmi-disk created on my old virtualbox-ose 1.6? But if is the last why so strange and awful behavior of my computer?! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
