Re: Broken applications: Could we be honest?

2006-07-12 Thread David Pashley
On Jul 12, 2006 at 20:39, Art Edwards praised the llamas by saying:
 The point is that they do not work exactly fine. For ddd, the console at the 
 bottom is dead.
 The keyboard fails. For grace(xmgrace) the same symptom is present in all 
 text boxes. This appears to be a pretty general problem because the same is 
 true for
 Fedora Core 5, but not for Fedora Core 4. I have compiled xmgrace from 
 sources and 
 I have the same problem. I have done some looking and this problem surfaced
 several years ago on a cygwin list. 
 Just for the record, when I invoke xmgrace from the command line, I receive 
 many errors like this:
 
 Warning: String to TranslationTable conversion encountered errors
 Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name:  osfHelp
 
 I get exactly the same set from ddd. Again, this is true for AMD64 for both 
 Debian and for Fedora Core 5.
 
 
Can you file bugs about both these issues using the reportbug tool so
the maintainers are made aware of the problems.

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Re: Broken applications: Could we be honest?

2006-07-12 Thread David Pashley
On Jul 12, 2006 at 21:52, Art Edwards praised the llamas by saying:
 I posted the same initial message on the three sites I thought were
 appropriate. My plea for honesty was a measure of frustration with
 what should be well-established packages. It turns out that in the newer
 distros, the structure of /usr/X11R6 has changed dramatically enough
 that it broke a .cshrc file that had worked for five years. 
 
Your fustration clearly hasn't reached a point where you felt it
necessary to file a bug report about the issues you've faced. We can not
fix problems if we don't know about them. I can not find a single bug
report about the issues you've raised and I can only find one bug
submitted by yourself. 

Occasionally we need to make incompatible changes to improve the
distribution. The NEWS.Debian for Xorg should detail these changes. I
would imagine that this change is significant to warrant a debconf
notice during upgrade. I would also hope it is detailed in the Etch
release notes, although I'd understand if these haven't been completely
written yet. 

Arguably there should be symlinks in place so that the upgrade doesn't
break your .cshrc file. I would suggest filing a bug against the package
that contais the file that has moved, explaining that there is a
regression.

Please file bugs in our BTS as it is the only way maintainers can
reliably discover problems in the distribution. A large number of
developers do not read any of the lists you've posted to.

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