Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge
Paul , thanks for the corrections below (Hypertransport), I mistook the word ;-o. I also agree with you that the cooling SHOULD be same for 246-252 , but my experience shows me that its not. The Zalman most certainly qualifies for all CPUs here ;-) (its one of the few around) , but its not necessarily small ;-) Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com >> Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may >> want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and >> also >> doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-) >> >> Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252 >> might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do >> his >> job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-). > > IIRC the 252 has the same thermal rating (89W) as the 246, so the cooling > system should be the same. Even the dual-core chips are only 95W. Most > Opteron cooling systems should be able to cope with any of these. The > Zalman > coolers are very quiet and more than capable of coping with these CPUs. > > If you're bothered about heat/noise you should probably go for the HE > cpus. > These are more expensive, but only generate about half the heat (55W). A > 246HE runs exactly the same speed as a regular 246. > > You should also look at the Athlon64 X2 CPUs. For many workloads these are > just as good as a dual socket board. Obviously with a dual socket board > you > have the option of building a quad-core machine. > >> Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The >> SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something >> like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system. > > amd64 systems scale pretty well up to [at least] 4 CPUs. In my experience > much > better than Intel systems. I've seen CPU/memory intensive workloads scale > linearly. Obviously if your workload is IO bound throwing more CPUs at it > probably won't help at all. > >> What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy >> load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It >> will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus >> between the CPUs. > > Hypertransport, not Hyperthreading. > >> This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for >> an >> application. > > It's worth noting that even remote memory (ie. attached to the other CPU) > is > still closer (lower latency) than system memory on many Intel systems. > > Paul > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge
Hi Jo, Thanks for the additional info, that was something I didnt know (I should have guessed that). Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Forgot to add one thing. >> >>As for the Power Supplies (PS). I tried everything from 400W to 550W and >>came to the conclusion that mostly 400W is fully acceptable for most >>machines (1-4 disks). I know that the shop assistants often recommend >>stronger Power supplies (after all thats their business ;-). >> >>Bear in mind that the heat has to go somewhere ;-) >> >>Best regards >> >>Nils Valentin >>Tokyo / Japan >>http://www.be-known-online.com >> >> >> >>>O.K I guess I have to take the risk that Lord Sauron will flame me for >>>what I say next ;-) >>> >>>I would rather recommend you a 2xCPU MB instead of a single CPU MB >>>You will easily find many 2xCPU MB out there and you may want to >>> consider >>>the following: >>> >>>- most have only 32 bit PCI slots, look for 64 bit PCI slots and the max >>>bus speed (133mhz) >>>- server boards come (optional) with onboard scsi cards >>>- you may still find additionally 4xSATA & IDE on the same MB >>>- (optional) SCSI raid card >>>- (optional) server admin card >>> >>>If you take this all into conclusion you will probably opt for the >>>S2882UG3NR or a similar board from another maker >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151151 *no scsi >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151152 * with >>> scsi >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=13-151-152-01.jpg%2C13-151-152-02.jpg%2C13-151-152-03.jpg%2C13-151-152-04.jpg%2C13-151-152-05.jpg&CurImage=13-151-152-02.jpg&Description=TYAN+S2882UG3NR-D+Dual+Socket+940+AMD+8131+Extended+ATX+Server+Motherboard+-+Retail >>> >>>Note the scsi raid card socket (option), white and in the middle left) >>> >>>Having the 64 bit pci bus also allows you to navigate real HEAVY loads >>>between scsi discs and the CPU & Memory. >>> >>>Regarding CPU I would probably choose the 246 or 248 ($240-310) which >>> are >>>slightly cheaper than the 252 and, lets face it, the CPU speed alone >>> wont >>>really change so much on the systems performance. >>> >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103412 >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103433 >>> >>>Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may >>>want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and >>> also >>>doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-) >>> >>>Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252 >>>might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do >>> his >>>job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-). >>> >>>I would invest the saved money (compared to the 252) into Memory or SCSI >>>and use the SATA for a backup solution. I prefer SCSI, as for me it has >>>shown to be reliable in the long run and still outperforms most SATA/IDE >>>setups. >>> >>>Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The >>>SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something >>>like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system. >>> >>>What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy >>>load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It >>>will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus >>>between the CPUs. >>>This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for >>> an >>>application. >>> >>>For the case I would choose the CM Stacker. It does Unfortunately not >>>offer the redundant PS, but you can put 2x PS from the maker of your >>>choice. It wont be hot swabable, you will have to switch the plugs >>>yourself. >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1689042 >>> >>>The design is also quite appealing I believe. If you do opt for the CM >>>Stacker make sure to get the Optional Cross floor fan. >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16800887011 >>>It will make sure to get the heat out of the case, and that silently. >>> >>>If you prefer to show off the case, there is also a sie window available >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999760 >>> >>>I hope that I could make some valid points to make your decision easier >>>for your next system. >>> >>>The system above is more expensive than "Lord Saurons" setup but it adds >>> a >>>lot of options and is really a sound system (not to say a beast ;-) >>> >>>I usually buy the parts not all in one go, but as required. >>> >>>Newegg as suggested by "Lord Sauron" does give a good service and I can >>>back him up with that. >>> >>>I currently have 2 Opteron systems online which should be accessable for >>>the public. >>> >>>1) 203.143.127.108 >>>2) 203.143.127.98 (testing) >>>3) 203.143.127.99 (from October) >>> >>>Do you have the possibility to take an optero
Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge
Hi Joe, Thanks for the additional info, that was something I didnt know (I should have guessed that). Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Forgot to add one thing. >> >>As for the Power Supplies (PS). I tried everything from 400W to 550W and >>came to the conclusion that mostly 400W is fully acceptable for most >>machines (1-4 disks). I know that the shop assistants often recommend >>stronger Power supplies (after all thats their business ;-). >> >>Bear in mind that the heat has to go somewhere ;-) >> >>Best regards >> >>Nils Valentin >>Tokyo / Japan >>http://www.be-known-online.com >> >> >> >>>O.K I guess I have to take the risk that Lord Sauron will flame me for >>>what I say next ;-) >>> >>>I would rather recommend you a 2xCPU MB instead of a single CPU MB >>>You will easily find many 2xCPU MB out there and you may want to >>> consider >>>the following: >>> >>>- most have only 32 bit PCI slots, look for 64 bit PCI slots and the max >>>bus speed (133mhz) >>>- server boards come (optional) with onboard scsi cards >>>- you may still find additionally 4xSATA & IDE on the same MB >>>- (optional) SCSI raid card >>>- (optional) server admin card >>> >>>If you take this all into conclusion you will probably opt for the >>>S2882UG3NR or a similar board from another maker >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151151 *no scsi >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151152 * with >>> scsi >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=13-151-152-01.jpg%2C13-151-152-02.jpg%2C13-151-152-03.jpg%2C13-151-152-04.jpg%2C13-151-152-05.jpg&CurImage=13-151-152-02.jpg&Description=TYAN+S2882UG3NR-D+Dual+Socket+940+AMD+8131+Extended+ATX+Server+Motherboard+-+Retail >>> >>>Note the scsi raid card socket (option), white and in the middle left) >>> >>>Having the 64 bit pci bus also allows you to navigate real HEAVY loads >>>between scsi discs and the CPU & Memory. >>> >>>Regarding CPU I would probably choose the 246 or 248 ($240-310) which >>> are >>>slightly cheaper than the 252 and, lets face it, the CPU speed alone >>> wont >>>really change so much on the systems performance. >>> >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103412 >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103433 >>> >>>Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may >>>want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and >>> also >>>doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-) >>> >>>Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252 >>>might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do >>> his >>>job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-). >>> >>>I would invest the saved money (compared to the 252) into Memory or SCSI >>>and use the SATA for a backup solution. I prefer SCSI, as for me it has >>>shown to be reliable in the long run and still outperforms most SATA/IDE >>>setups. >>> >>>Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The >>>SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something >>>like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system. >>> >>>What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy >>>load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It >>>will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus >>>between the CPUs. >>>This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for >>> an >>>application. >>> >>>For the case I would choose the CM Stacker. It does Unfortunately not >>>offer the redundant PS, but you can put 2x PS from the maker of your >>>choice. It wont be hot swabable, you will have to switch the plugs >>>yourself. >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1689042 >>> >>>The design is also quite appealing I believe. If you do opt for the CM >>>Stacker make sure to get the Optional Cross floor fan. >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16800887011 >>>It will make sure to get the heat out of the case, and that silently. >>> >>>If you prefer to show off the case, there is also a sie window available >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999760 >>> >>>I hope that I could make some valid points to make your decision easier >>>for your next system. >>> >>>The system above is more expensive than "Lord Saurons" setup but it adds >>> a >>>lot of options and is really a sound system (not to say a beast ;-) >>> >>>I usually buy the parts not all in one go, but as required. >>> >>>Newegg as suggested by "Lord Sauron" does give a good service and I can >>>back him up with that. >>> >>>I currently have 2 Opteron systems online which should be accessable for >>>the public. >>> >>>1) 203.143.127.108 >>>2) 203.143.127.98 (testing) >>>3) 203.143.127.99 (from October) >>> >>>Do you have the possibility to take an opter
Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge
Forgot to add one thing. As for the Power Supplies (PS). I tried everything from 400W to 550W and came to the conclusion that mostly 400W is fully acceptable for most machines (1-4 disks). I know that the shop assistants often recommend stronger Power supplies (after all thats their business ;-). Bear in mind that the heat has to go somewhere ;-) Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com > O.K I guess I have to take the risk that Lord Sauron will flame me for > what I say next ;-) > > I would rather recommend you a 2xCPU MB instead of a single CPU MB > You will easily find many 2xCPU MB out there and you may want to consider > the following: > > - most have only 32 bit PCI slots, look for 64 bit PCI slots and the max > bus speed (133mhz) > - server boards come (optional) with onboard scsi cards > - you may still find additionally 4xSATA & IDE on the same MB > - (optional) SCSI raid card > - (optional) server admin card > > If you take this all into conclusion you will probably opt for the > S2882UG3NR or a similar board from another maker > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151151 *no scsi > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151152 * with scsi > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=13-151-152-01.jpg%2C13-151-152-02.jpg%2C13-151-152-03.jpg%2C13-151-152-04.jpg%2C13-151-152-05.jpg&CurImage=13-151-152-02.jpg&Description=TYAN+S2882UG3NR-D+Dual+Socket+940+AMD+8131+Extended+ATX+Server+Motherboard+-+Retail > > Note the scsi raid card socket (option), white and in the middle left) > > Having the 64 bit pci bus also allows you to navigate real HEAVY loads > between scsi discs and the CPU & Memory. > > Regarding CPU I would probably choose the 246 or 248 ($240-310) which are > slightly cheaper than the 252 and, lets face it, the CPU speed alone wont > really change so much on the systems performance. > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103412 > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103433 > > Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may > want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and also > doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-) > > Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252 > might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do his > job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-). > > I would invest the saved money (compared to the 252) into Memory or SCSI > and use the SATA for a backup solution. I prefer SCSI, as for me it has > shown to be reliable in the long run and still outperforms most SATA/IDE > setups. > > Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The > SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something > like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system. > > What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy > load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It > will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus > between the CPUs. > This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for an > application. > > For the case I would choose the CM Stacker. It does Unfortunately not > offer the redundant PS, but you can put 2x PS from the maker of your > choice. It wont be hot swabable, you will have to switch the plugs > yourself. > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1689042 > > The design is also quite appealing I believe. If you do opt for the CM > Stacker make sure to get the Optional Cross floor fan. > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16800887011 > It will make sure to get the heat out of the case, and that silently. > > If you prefer to show off the case, there is also a sie window available > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999760 > > I hope that I could make some valid points to make your decision easier > for your next system. > > The system above is more expensive than "Lord Saurons" setup but it adds a > lot of options and is really a sound system (not to say a beast ;-) > > I usually buy the parts not all in one go, but as required. > > Newegg as suggested by "Lord Sauron" does give a good service and I can > back him up with that. > > I currently have 2 Opteron systems online which should be accessable for > the public. > > 1) 203.143.127.108 > 2) 203.143.127.98 (testing) > 3) 203.143.127.99 (from October) > > Do you have the possibility to take an opteron system for a testride ? > (You might find that some shops might let you try a system) > > Best regards > > Nils Valentin > Tokyo / Japan > http://www.be-known-online.com > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge
O.K I guess I have to take the risk that Lord Sauron will flame me for what I say next ;-) I would rather recommend you a 2xCPU MB instead of a single CPU MB You will easily find many 2xCPU MB out there and you may want to consider the following: - most have only 32 bit PCI slots, look for 64 bit PCI slots and the max bus speed (133mhz) - server boards come (optional) with onboard scsi cards - you may still find additionally 4xSATA & IDE on the same MB - (optional) SCSI raid card - (optional) server admin card If you take this all into conclusion you will probably opt for the S2882UG3NR or a similar board from another maker http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151151 *no scsi http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151152 * with scsi http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=13-151-152-01.jpg%2C13-151-152-02.jpg%2C13-151-152-03.jpg%2C13-151-152-04.jpg%2C13-151-152-05.jpg&CurImage=13-151-152-02.jpg&Description=TYAN+S2882UG3NR-D+Dual+Socket+940+AMD+8131+Extended+ATX+Server+Motherboard+-+Retail Note the scsi raid card socket (option), white and in the middle left) Having the 64 bit pci bus also allows you to navigate real HEAVY loads between scsi discs and the CPU & Memory. Regarding CPU I would probably choose the 246 or 248 ($240-310) which are slightly cheaper than the 252 and, lets face it, the CPU speed alone wont really change so much on the systems performance. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103412 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103433 Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and also doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-) Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252 might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do his job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-). I would invest the saved money (compared to the 252) into Memory or SCSI and use the SATA for a backup solution. I prefer SCSI, as for me it has shown to be reliable in the long run and still outperforms most SATA/IDE setups. Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system. What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus between the CPUs. This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for an application. For the case I would choose the CM Stacker. It does Unfortunately not offer the redundant PS, but you can put 2x PS from the maker of your choice. It wont be hot swabable, you will have to switch the plugs yourself. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1689042 The design is also quite appealing I believe. If you do opt for the CM Stacker make sure to get the Optional Cross floor fan. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16800887011 It will make sure to get the heat out of the case, and that silently. If you prefer to show off the case, there is also a sie window available http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999760 I hope that I could make some valid points to make your decision easier for your next system. The system above is more expensive than "Lord Saurons" setup but it adds a lot of options and is really a sound system (not to say a beast ;-) I usually buy the parts not all in one go, but as required. Newegg as suggested by "Lord Sauron" does give a good service and I can back him up with that. I currently have 2 Opteron systems online which should be accessable for the public. 1) 203.143.127.108 2) 203.143.127.98 (testing) 3) 203.143.127.99 (from October) Do you have the possibility to take an opteron system for a testride ? (You might find that some shops might let you try a system) Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge
Hi Steve, not sure if anybody answered the question below. (see my comments) > I'm thinking about purchasing a dual Opteron server to run on Sarge. > This is only my second server purchase. My first server runs Debian > Woody on a single Petium 4, 2.8 GHz. > > Can someone give me an idea of what kind of performance gain I would > see? I've tried hunting around for benchmark comparisons but haven't > had success finding any because the processors target much different > markets. > > Now for a more Debian specific question. I read the AMD 64 how-to at > https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html. > They talk about "the quick way" of running 32-bit binaries on a 64 > bit system and installing a "Debian IA32 chroot system." > > Can someone tell me why I would do one over the other? Sure. I am glad you asked ;-) You may find some applications (mostly commercial) which are for now only available as 32 bit versions. F.e. smaller "Hosting" companies have to consider this when using from the shelf software - (the bigger ones compile it themselves). So what I am trying to say is. You "may" have a specific application which is not available as a 64 bit version yet. Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge
Steve, can you be more specific please ? What do you intend to do with the server (Web,DB,DTP ;=) etc.) ? If you consider running MySQL on the Opteron then you are in VERY good hands *consult the mysql mailing list. There is enough info to keep you reading for a month or so. If you want to do DTP than you just wasted your money ;-). In order to give a better answer you should consider giving MUCH more details (MB, Memory HDD interface etc). F.e. I am using some of the the Tyan S2882UG3NR with 2-6GB Memory. Which probably brings us to the next question. Which HDD interface will you be using ? Note that almost all Sata controllers are software based *except 3Com + (one more I forgot). This means that you will basically use the opensource driver when you consider SATA. I also tried Suse 9.2 *which is know a bit dated, which basically gave me the best performance so far. However for other reasons I decided that Debian is better for my needs and future compatibility *ugrading etc. If you are just after speed & power you may as well decide to wait for the dual core CPUs to arrive. One thing that is commonly reported and that I can also confirm is that the workload on Opteron systems is usually quite low, even when running a few tasks in the background. This is why Hosting companies like opteron systems '=). I hope that I could make a few valid points which can help you make a decision. If you can give a few more details than I might be able to make a more specific reply. You may also be interested in some of my private scriples & notes which are publicly available: http://www.be-known-online.com/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=113 >>Choose "AMD Opteron 64 bit" >>Page seems to be empty, so from the dropdown menu choose "From the beginning" You should get some installation descriptons for Opteron based systems. There used to be more info, however a harddisc crash sorted that out ;-). I am still rebuilding the site. Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com > I'm thinking about purchasing a dual Opteron server to run on Sarge. > This is only my second server purchase. My first server runs Debian > Woody on a single Petium 4, 2.8 GHz. > > Can someone give me an idea of what kind of performance gain I would > see? I've tried hunting around for benchmark comparisons but haven't > had success finding any because the processors target much different > markets. > > Now for a more Debian specific question. I read the AMD 64 how-to at > https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html. > They talk about "the quick way" of running 32-bit binaries on a 64 > bit system and installing a "Debian IA32 chroot system." > > Can someone tell me why I would do one over the other? > > Thanks. > > > -- > Dondley Communications > http://www.dondleycommunications.com > > Communicate or Die: American Labor Unions and the Internet > http://www.communicateordie.com > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mixing CPU's
Hi Nathan, May I ask what is the purpose of the original question ? Do I understand correctly that you want to mix a single and a double CPU, perhaps even a quad or 8-way Opteron CPU in the same system ? Do you understand that f.e. the 2 way CPUs have an extra "Bus" between them to speed up communication and share memory to the other CPU. In 4 and 8-way CPUs you will find 3 of those extra "Buses". These means f.e. that in a 4-way setup you can share the memory between those CPUs, processes etc. according to your needs. I believe that mixing up different CPU types and /or speeds is basically like putting for different wheels on your car and see how far you can go with them ;-). Does that make things clearer ? I am not sure yet if your background is to make "a one size fits all computer" or you just have nothing to do. Anyway, either way good luck ;-) Best regards Nils Valentin Paolo Alexis Falcone wrote: > >>On 7/23/05, Nathan Dragun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>Has anyone tried mixing the processor types of multi-cpu systems? What >>>was the outcome? >>> >>>Has anyone tried mixing dual-core and single-core cpus together? >>> >>> >>>I'm truely interested in knowing if its necessary to shell out all that >>>money for 2+ chips... >>> >>> >> >>Generally it's not a good idea. You've got timing issues to consider, >>among other things. >> >> >> > What kind of timing issues? What other things > Just because it isn't recomended dosen't mean it won't work. On the > contrary, half the things 'they' tell you won't work will work, they > just want to make more money off you. > > Nathan > > Code is poetry. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installation on SATA drive
Hi Chetan, You would need to know which controller is accessing the sata drive. I am sure the drive itself is not the problem ;-). F.e I am using a Sil 3114 (Silicon Image). You can start Knoppix and see with commands like "lspci" which controller you have. Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com > Hi list > > I have downloaded the latest debian64 image > (debian-31r0a-ia64-binary-1.iso) from debian.org. I burnt the image and > try to install but system didn't autoboot through CD-ROM. I also tried > |hd-media/initrd.gz|, |hd-media/vmlinuz images to boot directly from > hard disk. Installation started, but halted with failure in detecting > the hard drive. Please configuration of my system as given below: > > Processor: AMD Athlon64 3000+ > Motherboard: MSI RS480M2-IL Motherboard > Hard drive: Segate 80 GB SATA > Memory: 512 MB DDR 400 Mhz > > I have googled around and have also gone through the debain mailing > list, but couldn't find the exact solution. I would be highly grateful > for any suggestions. > > Thanks in advance. > > > With regards > > Chetan > | > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian/Ubuntu/Redhat which is better for heavy duty computations?
I can backup Thomas that debian is typically a version behind BUT rockstable like nothing else. Ubuntu seems faster, but (unfortuntaley) their packages are not always compatible with debian ones. They make their own package versions (same like Suse/Novell, Redhat etc.). That might not be an issue for you, for me that was a concern. F.e their Python version is not compatible with the debian one. Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com > On 7/1/05, Alexandru Cabuz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I was wondering if anybody knows if there exist benchmarks done to >> compare the performance for floating point computations (for example >> lapack) on opteron with the Debian, Ubuntu and Redhat AMD 64 ports. > > I think the kernel does not usually matter for number crunching, but > the compiler may make a world of a difference. Usually, Redhat has the > most recent compiler plus some "special" patches. They do this in the > hope to produce the fastest code. They don't always succeed, but they > often have "an edge". > > Debian on the other hand focuses on stability, and the compiler is > usually a version behind. That could mean that you lose out on the > latest performance improvements. > > For a comparision it should be sufficient to compile a test program on > each distribution, and copy the executable and the libraries onto a > test system. Then you can compare them easily against each other. > > Thomas > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel 2.6.3-1 issue with Debian sarge upgrade (32 bit i386)
Hello Debian fans, I tried to update my Debian sarge and got the bellow messages in my /var/log/messages. can anyone pinpoint me with an educated guess what I am looking at ? Which driver does the kernel chock on, and perhaps why ? ;-( The system basically hangs ina loop during startup at the place when it supposed to load the pcmcia, net, usb drivers. Any feedback appreciated. Best regards Nils Valentin ... Jun 13 21:18:45 ns3 kernel: tg3: eth1: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex. Jun 13 21:18:45 ns3 kernel: tg3: eth1: Flow control is on for TX and on for RX. Jun 13 21:18:45 ns3 kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 10 Jun 13 21:18:45 ns3 kernel: Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c02ba900(lo) Jun 13 21:18:45 ns3 kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: printing eip: Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: c018c079 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: Oops: 0002 [#1] Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: CPU:0 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: EIP:0060:[kobject_add+103/176]Tainted: P Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: EFLAGS: 00010292 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: EIP is at kobject_add+0x67/0xb0 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: eax: c02b3040 ebx: f8d3243c ecx: f8d75a98 edx: f8d32458 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: esi: c02b3048 edi: f8d32424 ebp: esp: f1c9bedc Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: ds: 007b es: 007b ss: 0068 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: Process modprobe (pid: 1660, threadinfo=f1c9a000 task=f2864080) Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: Stack: f8d3243c ffea f8d32424 c018c0dd f8d3243c f8d3243c f8d3243c c02b2fe0 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel:c01d0ee7 f8d3243c f8d3243c f8d2eb6d f8d32400 f8d32498 f8d325c0 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel:c01d113f f8d32424 0678 fffd c0193b07 f8d32424 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: Call Trace: Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: [kobject_register+27/61] kobject_register+0x1b/0x3d Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: [bus_add_driver+48/97] bus_add_driver+0x30/0x61 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: [driver_register+45/49] driver_register+0x2d/0x31 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: [pci_register_driver+78/107] pci_register_driver+0x4e/0x6b Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: [__crc_pm_idle+3883623/5541136] parport_pc_find_ports+0x27/0x40 [parport_pc] Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: [__crc_pm_idle+3883794/5541136] parport_pc_init+0x92/0xa3 [parport_pc] Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: [__crc_pm_idle+4316224/5541136] init_module+0xf6/0x11f [parport_pc] Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: [sys_init_module+234/472] sys_init_module+0xea/0x1d8 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: [syscall_call+7/11] syscall_call+0x7/0xb Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: Code: 89 11 89 4a 04 8b 43 28 8b 00 83 c0 48 e8 67 11 00 00 89 73 Jun 13 21:18:51 ns3 kernel: <6>lp: driver loaded but no devices found ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Where are all the amd64 mirrors gone ?
Hi anybody on the list, I tried to update my debian (AMD64) version. However today I started getting "Couldnt stat source package..." messages. So I all except one (last one) dont seem to be working anymore. deb http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64 sid main deb http://bach.hpc2n.umu.se/pure64 sid main deb http://bytekeeper.as28747.net/amd64/alioth/pure64 sid main deb http://debian.inode.at/pure64/ sid main deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/pure64/ sid main deb http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/pub/debian-amd64/pure64/ sid main deb http://mirror.phy.bnl.gov/debian-amd64/ sid main This are the servers I planned on using. Note that only the last one is working right now !! Does anybody have similar issues or is that just me ? Best regards Nils Valentin http://www.be-known-online.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dual opteron m/b: S2875ANRF vs. GA-7A8DW
I dont use any of the 2 boards, but things to watch out for are drivers for using Raid together with the Sil3114. The proprietary drivers come only for a few OS's yet. The Opensource driver is of course available as alternative. Best regards Nils Valentin > I have a Gigabyte GA-7A8DW. > > Installs (sid-amd64-netinst.iso) and runs perfectly fine on > Pure64/unstable. > The EATX size caught me out and I had to get a bigger case. > > $ uptime > 17:19:49 up 26 days, 14 min, 2 users, load average: 1.42, 0.53, 0.23 > (not working too hard currently, but was compiling with make -j2 :-) > > The two PCI-X slots can be used as standard PCI slots. > > The only thing to watch for is to make sure the DDR is in the right slots, > or > it won't boot (at all). > > Hope this helps. > Later > Lee Begg > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:54, Max wrote: >> Hello! >> >> I'm hesitating over a choice of a dual opteron motherboard. Currently I >> consider two options: >> >> Tyan S2875ANRF http://tyan.com/products/html/tigerk8w_spec.html >> and >> Gigabyte GA-7A8DW >> http://tw.giga-byte.com/Server/Products/Products_ServerBoard_GA-7A8DW.htm >> >> They are quite similar (including a price ;) though there are some >> differences: >> >> 1. Form factor ATX vs. EATX (although Gigabyte claims "design to fit ATX >> chassis screw hole", and I think it will fit my middle-tower). >> >> 2. Tyan's board has Intel 82541EI GbE LAN controller on-board while >> Gigabyte's possess Broadcom BCM 5705 (which one is better?). >> >> 3. Tyan has 5 PCI slots, Gigabyte - 2 PCI-X and 1 PCI (currently I don't >> have any PCI-X devices). >> >> 4. Tyan has integrated Firewire controller (I use firewire sometimes, >> currently with PCI controller). >> >> With respect to the features, I would prefer Tyan's board. But as a >> brand I >> like Gigabyte better than Tyan: previously I've had some negative >> experience with Tyan, and for more than a year I have been very pleased >> by >> dual-athlon Gigabyte motherboard GA-7DPXDW-P. >> >> The motherboard is going to be used for intensive 24/7 computations. Of >> course, under Debian pure64. >> >> Please share your experience or suggestions. >> >> Thanks, >> Max > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dependency issue with perl-base
Hi Debian fans, I tried to upgrade my system and run into an dependency issue. 1) First I thought this was down to the fact that I set the locales to UTF-8, so I removed those settings (below). -- ns1:/home/nilsv# locale LANG=POSIX LC_CTYPE="POSIX" LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" LC_TIME="POSIX" LC_COLLATE="POSIX" LC_MONETARY="POSIX" LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" LC_PAPER="POSIX" LC_NAME="POSIX" LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" LC_ALL= 2) But,when I try to upgrade perl-base than I get a dependency issue which I cant resolve. I tried to force it, but no luck. (below) --- ns1:/home/nilsv# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: libperl5.8: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-6) but 5.8.4-5 is installed perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-6) but 5.8.4-5 is installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. ns1:/home/nilsv# apt-get upgrade -f Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y Preconfiguring packages ... (Reading database ... 95329 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace perl-base 5.8.4-5 (using .../perl-base_5.8.4-6_amd64.deb) ... Unpacking replacement perl-base ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.4-6_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/perl/5.8', which is also in package liblockfile-simple-perl Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.4-6_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- Any suggestions are much appreciated. Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mainboard Report: Octuple AMD Opteron (2x Iwill QK8S)
Hello Heiner, Thanks for sharing this with us. That stuff is pretty new [max 3 months] (I havent seen it yet). Does this HTX-Pro bridge thing work specifically with Iwill MBs or are you aware of similar solutions for other makers f.e Tyans S4882 ? I am very interested to hear a bit more about this, also offline would be fine to keep the list clean - not sure if anybody is interested ;-) May I ask what you use such a beast for ;-) ?? Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com > Ok, here is something for entertainment: > > We installed a new 8-way Opteron system TurboRACK A6810-R5 > (based on Iwill H8501) with Debian Pure64, kernel 2.6.10 vanilla. > > The installation with the latest Netinst-ISO works smooth, > but we had to update the kernel to 2.6.10 because of wrong SMP > initialization with kernels older than 2.6.10 on this machine (perhaps a > little BIOS bug, too). > > Besides that, it runs smooth and very fast :-). > > Technical Specifications: > - Rackmount chassis 5U > - 1300 Watt redundant P/S (3+1) > - 2x Quad-mainboard Iwill QK8S, connected thru HTX-Pro bridge > - 8x CPU AMD Opteron 850 > - 32x 2GB DDR400 ECC reg. (total of 64GB memory) > - 4x Gbit LAN (Intel Pro/1000, driver "e1000") > - additional LSI SCSI controller (driver "mptscsih") with Fujitsu > drives (15krpm) > > Regards, > Heiner Mudersbach > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 VS EM64T
Hi lennart, sorry I meant this link http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/1456/index.html Its a Linux comparison (but only 32 bit - waiting for the 64 bit update) Best regards Nils Valentin > On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 11:49:15PM +0900, Nils Valentin wrote: >> there is a 67 page Benchmark comparison betweeen the Athlon type CPUs >> and the >> Pentium 4 types (including Prescott). The review does NOT include the >> Opterons ;-(, but is has a lot of very detailed benchmark charts. 29 >> charts >> for data transfers of each CPU alone + 35 benchmark charts (comparison). >> >> >> The only problem is as far as I know this article is only available in >> German. >> >> http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/1244/index.html >> >> "Test: Athlon 64 FX-55 & 4000+" >> >> They have a english website here : >> >> http://www.tecchannel.com/ >> >> ,but unfortunately it does not contain even as near info as the german >> pages. >> The article above does not seem to be available in english. >> >> The article is free to read online or you can buy the PDF version for >> 0.80 >> Euro (1$). >> >> I have it but the copyright does not allow me to forward it to anybody
Re: AMD64 VS EM64T
Lennart, did you read http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/1441/index.html ? Is that NOT providing what you meant ? Best regards Nils Valentin > On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 11:49:15PM +0900, Nils Valentin wrote: >> there is a 67 page Benchmark comparison betweeen the Athlon type CPUs >> and the >> Pentium 4 types (including Prescott). The review does NOT include the >> Opterons ;-(, but is has a lot of very detailed benchmark charts. 29 >> charts >> for data transfers of each CPU alone + 35 benchmark charts (comparison). >> >> >> The only problem is as far as I know this article is only available in >> German. >> >> http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/1244/index.html >> >> "Test: Athlon 64 FX-55 & 4000+" >> >> They have a english website here : >> >> http://www.tecchannel.com/ >> >> ,but unfortunately it does not contain even as near info as the german >> pages. >> The article above does not seem to be available in english. >> >> The article is free to read online or you can buy the PDF version for >> 0.80 >> Euro (1$). >> >> I have it but the copyright does not allow me to forward it to anybody
Re: MySQL on debian amd64
Hi Bob, you are right. That wasnt very clever. I start a new topic. Ignore my entry. Best regards Nils Valentin > Nils Valentin wrote: >> Today I installed and configured MySQL (its not the first time I am >> doing this so I am a bit puzzled). > > I am also puzzled. You replied to a thread where were were discussing > the merits of installing software in chroots. > >> 1) I am unable to set the default-character-set in /etc/my.cnf. > > Are you installing MySQL in a chroot and having a problem with it? If > so could you restate your problem? Because I am at a completely loss > to understand in what way you are having chroot problems. > >> 2)How would I know the full .deb package name (including version number) >> containing the mysql server files. Using "dpkg --list mysql-server" just >> gives me the version number? >> >> I am actually looking foran equivalent to "rpm -qi "
Re: New mirror of Debian-amd64
Hi Goswin, Yes I did this ;-), That would be to obvious ;-) I was thinking that perhaps its a permission issue etc. on my site, perhaps the script should run as root etc. Best regards Nils Valentin > Nils Valentin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Hi Leopold, >> >> I am trying to do the same here in Tokyo, but I cant get the mirror.sh >> to work >> which Goswin posted 2 days ago. I assume you used that as well ? >> >> It will say "rsync error; error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) >> at >> io.c (359)" > > You did change the account name from mine to yours (if you have an > account). Otherwise you have to use a different source that has > anonymouns rsync or a different debmirror method. > >> Best regards >> >> Nils Valentin >> Tokyo/Japan > > MfG > Goswin >
Re: AMD64 Question
Paul. Brilliant !! Thanks a bunch. Seems like there is still a lot to learn left. Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan > On Thursday 02 December 2004 01:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: >> Thanks Paul, >> >> That confirms what I was thinking. >> >> How can I install the smp kernel with apt-get Any chance that you know >> the >> current smp kernel debian package name ? > > apt-cache search kernel-image smp > Should give you a list. > > Paul > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: AMD64 Question
Thanks Paul, That confirms what I was thinking. How can I install the smp kernel with apt-get Any chance that you know the current smp kernel debian package name ? Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan > On Wednesday 01 December 2004 18:01, Nils Valentin wrote: >> Thats what I cant make any sense of anyway it tells me >> "2.6.8-9-amd64-k8" >> >> If I understand that correctly than it is suing a single CPU kernel >> while >> it should say "kernel-version-XXX-smp" really. > > Below is the uname -a output from two different machines. You'll notice > the > first (which is an SMP kernel) says SMP, the latter (which is a UP kernel) > does not. > > Linux wren 2.6.9-wibble #1 SMP Wed Nov 10 16:56:58 GMT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux > Linux jay 2.6.7-wibble #1 Sat Jul 10 14:16:42 BST 2004 i586 GNU/Linux > > For 2.6 kernels you may be able to extract the exact kernel configuration > from > the kernel image, or from /proc/config.gz > > Paul > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: AMD64 Question
Hi Hank, I fully agree to what you say. This is what I get: processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 5 model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 848 stepping : 10 cpu MHz : 2192.480 cache size : 1024 KB fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips : 4308.99 TLB size : 1088 4K pages clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts fid vid ttp Basically I should have this info 2 times on the screen if I remember this corrcetly. Any ideas ? Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:01:45 +0900, Nils Valentin > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thats what I cant make any sense of anyway it tells me >> "2.6.8-9-amd64-k8" >> >> If I understand that correctly than it is suing a single CPU kernel >> while it >> should say "kernel-version-XXX-smp" really. >> >> Best regards > > Many long yuears ago when I was running a dual Pentium Pro, 'cat > /proc/cpuinfo' would show both CPUs. > > -- > '95 K75RT - "BABY K" > '95 Miata - "OUR LC" > '95 F250 4x4 - anon > Beautiful Sunny Winfield >
Re: AMD64 Question
Hello Simon, I am using the Tyan S2882 (2x Opteron) with Debian sid (64bit). The Debian system is running way more stable than Suse 9.2 Pro which I also did install (Dual boot) for testing prupose. Suse (Novell) did include a lot of obvious bugs in the current release which is a shame for their Image really. I trust that the Debian support for your mentioned hardware is stable enough, but Ima unable to confirm that. I made several installation reports on my personal homepage feel free to dive in and have a look around. http://www.be-known-online.com/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=46 http://www.be-known-online.com/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=62 While its not a direct answer to your question, I hope that you find some useful info in the reports. Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com > Hi There, Can someone please answer a hardware/usage question for me? We > have used woody on 386/686 servers for ages, normally on pentium 3 and AMD > athlons. We are currently susing a new production mail server... which > will have the following installed: > > - Postfix, DBMail, Apache, PHP, MySQL and a virus product called > BitDefender > > The servers spec is currently: > > - Tyan Tiger 7320 motherboard, 2xXeon (800Mhz), 2GB RAM, 3Ware 9000 SATA > hardware Raid (PCI-X), Intel nics. > > My question is: Above sinatlling sarge and running this kernel > "kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp", is it worth looking at the AMD64 > debian port for this server? bearing in mind that it is a production > system and needs to be a high-availability one at that. > > Thanks (sorry for the green question) > > Simon > > > > -- > This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender > For more information please visit http://linux.bitdefender.com/ > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
