Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
On Saturday 23 October 2004 20:44, Andreas Bittner wrote: > jftr: > > pci, pci-x and pcie Here is my two pence, to this thread. Here is a good article that describes pci-express in good detail. http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/pcie.ars Well we all know that the Nforce4 will be hitting retail anytime now, which includes pcie, or pci-express. Also can you tell the difference between a 32 v 64 bit Gigabit card? If my memory serves me right their is not much of a difference, in some tests that I read some time ago, a 32 bit card ran better than a 64 bit card. Also do you have jumbo frames enabled on your switch, or router to take advantage of the supposed increased speed. Don't forget that pcie network cards are available right now, but since no one has done an article reviewing the difference between pcie, and pci, pci-x cards, the benefits might not be that much of a difference. http://www.syskonnect.com/syskonnect/products/sk-9e21d.htm http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=3525551/search=syskonnect Like others have stated in this thread, latency and the pci-bus, hard dirve access speeds are probable bigger factors. Even with onboard Gigabit, I have not seen any real world tests, that can show a really big increase in speed, I see some good improvements in cpu usage, that depends more on the Gigabit chip, and its implementation than what slot it fits in. Rthoreau
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
jftr: pci, pci-x and pcie
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
Am 2004-10-23 21:03:40, schrieb In The Night: > Some snippet from another news-site: > The New PCI bus; PCI Express > > One of the biggest changes to the PC this year will be the introduction of a > new PC bus called PCI Express (PCIX). PCIX will replace the current PCI bus > that has a speed of 133 Mb/s, with a new bus that has speeds that start at > 250 Mb/s and can scale to over 1000 Mb/s. > PCIX will also replace the Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP). So new graphics > cards will no longer have to fit in only one slot. > Motherboards with the PCIX bus should start appearing this Summer, so new > graphics cards that use the PCIX bus should start appearing shortly > thereafter. Makes you wonder if we'll see new PCIX motherboards with AGP > slots for those that want to keep using their AGP cards. > > If they're not totally wrong, then: > PCI-X = PCI Express ??? My MSI-Mainboard K8D Master 3 has 3 PCI-X slots, this is NOT "PCI Express" They have the same form like the 32/33 PCI slots but only longer PCI-X = 64 Bit 33/66/100/133 MHz On my MSI I have tow white and one gree PCX-X slot, which are 64Bit and 33/66 for the white and 33/66/100/133 for the green one. The slot for PCI Express is an other form as the PCI/PCI-X Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
You are correct. PCI-X is NOT PCI-Express. PCI-X is an extention of PCI. PCI-X is backwards compatible with standard PCI provided the expansion card can accomodate both 5v and 3.3v signaling. This is a parallel "bus". PCI-Express is a new I/O expansion technology based on a Serial P2P connection. They are not backwards compatible with standard PCI or PCI-X. Many news sites have never seen a PCI-X slot and automatically use the PCI-X name to refer to PCI-Express. This is incorrect as the PCI-X name is already taken. PCI-X is usually found on 2+ cpu motherboards for expansion purposes such as RAID controllers or Gigabit Ethernet controllers or anything else that requires more than 133mb/s of bandwidth. Its only recently that they've made a very minimal appearance on uniprocessor motherboards in the form of Socket 478 for P4, however not the A64. The reason for this is chipset. Intel has the 6300ESB southbridge which has both a conventional PCI bus and a PCI-X 64-bit 66mhz bus. You can pair this southbridge up with the i875p for a great workstation board. On the A64 front, its either all desktop or all workstation/server. There is no uniprocessor A64 boards with PCI-X. The only Hypertransport->PCI-X tunnel chipset available at the moment is the AMD-8131/8132 which is currently found only on large EATX sized dual Opteron motherboards. Ben Mattias Wadenstein wrote: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, In The Night wrote: Some snippet from another news-site: The New PCI bus; PCI Express One of the biggest changes to the PC this year will be the introduction of a new PC bus called PCI Express (PCIX). PCIX will replace the current PCI bus that has a speed of 133 Mb/s, with a new bus that has speeds that start at 250 Mb/s and can scale to over 1000 Mb/s. PCIX will also replace the Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP). So new graphics cards will no longer have to fit in only one slot. Motherboards with the PCIX bus should start appearing this Summer, so new graphics cards that use the PCIX bus should start appearing shortly thereafter. Makes you wonder if we'll see new PCIX motherboards with AGP slots for those that want to keep using their AGP cards. If they're not totally wrong, then: PCI-X = PCI Express Well, they are totally wrong. PCI-X is basically a 64-bit pci bus commonly clocked at 100 or 133MHz. PCI Express totally different, based on a high-speed serial line protocol. I do manage a bunch of computers with PCI-X and I have seen PCI Express slots in person. They are very different. /Mattias Wadenstein Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In The Night wrote: Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There won't be any A64 boards with more than PCI 32-bit 33mhz. Wrong. Snip from ananova: VIA just launched their first reference boards using PCI Express on the Athlon 64. Later this month, we also expect new Athlon 64 chipsets from others that will add PCI Express capabilities to the Socket 939 platform. While these new chipsets could migrate later to Socket 754 single-channel, the new chipsets will launch with Socket 939. This will further push the 754 to the value side of the Athlon 64 line. I am referring to PCI and its derivatives (64-bit PCI, PCI-X, etc). By more, I am referring to one of those derivatives and not PCI-Express. There is no doubt PCI-Express (which is not what is required here) will be available soon on the AMD platform. Ben This is a chipset limitation as all current chipsets only support PCI 32-bit 33mhz. I have never seen a 32-bit 66mhz slot (doesn't mean it doesn't exist but highly unlikely on the A64 platform), most of the 66mhz devices are connected to 64-bit slots. Look for motherboards with the AMD-8131/8132 chipset but you'll most likely find them only on dual Opteron boards in EATX form factor. Ben Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2004-10-22 17:38:02, schrieb Kyuu Eturautti: I haven't tried network cards, but I have some Adaptec 29160 64-bit SCSI controllers in 32 bit slots and I haven't run into any problems on Athlon 64 or other systems with only PCI-32/33 slots. I know, but I need 64-Bit CPU and speed on network. I have checked more then 30 AMD-64 mainboards but they have only PCI-32/33 and not PCI-32/66. If I can find an AMD-64 mainboard with minimum one 66MHz PCI slot it will me help too. Greetings Michelle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, In The Night wrote: Some snippet from another news-site: The New PCI bus; PCI Express One of the biggest changes to the PC this year will be the introduction of a new PC bus called PCI Express (PCIX). PCIX will replace the current PCI bus that has a speed of 133 Mb/s, with a new bus that has speeds that start at 250 Mb/s and can scale to over 1000 Mb/s. PCIX will also replace the Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP). So new graphics cards will no longer have to fit in only one slot. Motherboards with the PCIX bus should start appearing this Summer, so new graphics cards that use the PCIX bus should start appearing shortly thereafter. Makes you wonder if we'll see new PCIX motherboards with AGP slots for those that want to keep using their AGP cards. If they're not totally wrong, then: PCI-X = PCI Express Well, they are totally wrong. PCI-X is basically a 64-bit pci bus commonly clocked at 100 or 133MHz. PCI Express totally different, based on a high-speed serial line protocol. I do manage a bunch of computers with PCI-X and I have seen PCI Express slots in person. They are very different. /Mattias Wadenstein Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In The Night wrote: Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There won't be any A64 boards with more than PCI 32-bit 33mhz. Wrong. Snip from ananova: VIA just launched their first reference boards using PCI Express on the Athlon 64. Later this month, we also expect new Athlon 64 chipsets from others that will add PCI Express capabilities to the Socket 939 platform. While these new chipsets could migrate later to Socket 754 single-channel, the new chipsets will launch with Socket 939. This will further push the 754 to the value side of the Athlon 64 line. I am referring to PCI and its derivatives (64-bit PCI, PCI-X, etc). By more, I am referring to one of those derivatives and not PCI-Express. There is no doubt PCI-Express (which is not what is required here) will be available soon on the AMD platform. Ben This is a chipset limitation as all current chipsets only support PCI 32-bit 33mhz. I have never seen a 32-bit 66mhz slot (doesn't mean it doesn't exist but highly unlikely on the A64 platform), most of the 66mhz devices are connected to 64-bit slots. Look for motherboards with the AMD-8131/8132 chipset but you'll most likely find them only on dual Opteron boards in EATX form factor. Ben Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2004-10-22 17:38:02, schrieb Kyuu Eturautti: I haven't tried network cards, but I have some Adaptec 29160 64-bit SCSI controllers in 32 bit slots and I haven't run into any problems on Athlon 64 or other systems with only PCI-32/33 slots. I know, but I need 64-Bit CPU and speed on network. I have checked more then 30 AMD-64 mainboards but they have only PCI-32/33 and not PCI-32/66. If I can find an AMD-64 mainboard with minimum one 66MHz PCI slot it will me help too. Greetings Michelle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
Some snippet from another news-site: The New PCI bus; PCI Express One of the biggest changes to the PC this year will be the introduction of a new PC bus called PCI Express (PCIX). PCIX will replace the current PCI bus that has a speed of 133 Mb/s, with a new bus that has speeds that start at 250 Mb/s and can scale to over 1000 Mb/s. PCIX will also replace the Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP). So new graphics cards will no longer have to fit in only one slot. Motherboards with the PCIX bus should start appearing this Summer, so new graphics cards that use the PCIX bus should start appearing shortly thereafter. Makes you wonder if we'll see new PCIX motherboards with AGP slots for those that want to keep using their AGP cards. If they're not totally wrong, then: PCI-X = PCI Express Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > In The Night wrote: > > >Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > >>There won't be any A64 boards with more than PCI 32-bit 33mhz. > >> > >> > >Wrong. > > > > > >Snip from ananova: > > > >VIA just launched their first reference boards using PCI Express on the > >Athlon 64. Later this month, we also expect new Athlon 64 chipsets from > >others that will add PCI Express capabilities to the Socket 939 platform. > >While these new chipsets could migrate later to Socket 754 single-channel, > >the new chipsets will launch with Socket 939. > >This will further push the 754 to the value side of the Athlon 64 line. > > > > > > > > > > I am referring to PCI and its derivatives (64-bit PCI, PCI-X, etc). By > more, I am referring to one of those derivatives and not PCI-Express. > There is no doubt PCI-Express (which is not what is required here) will > be available soon on the AMD platform. > > Ben > > > > > > >>This is a chipset limitation as all current chipsets only support PCI > >>32-bit 33mhz. I have never seen a 32-bit 66mhz slot (doesn't mean it > >>doesn't exist but highly unlikely on the A64 platform), most of the > >>66mhz devices are connected to 64-bit slots. > >> > >>Look for motherboards with the AMD-8131/8132 chipset but you'll most > >>likely find them only on dual Opteron boards in EATX form factor. > >> > >>Ben > >> > >> > >>Michelle Konzack wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Am 2004-10-22 17:38:02, schrieb Kyuu Eturautti: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I haven't tried network cards, but I have some Adaptec 29160 64-bit SCSI > controllers in 32 bit slots and I haven't run into any problems on > Athlon > 64 or other systems with only PCI-32/33 slots. > > > > > >>>I know, but I need 64-Bit CPU and speed on network. > >>> > >>>I have checked more then 30 AMD-64 mainboards but they have only > >>>PCI-32/33 and not PCI-32/66. > >>> > >>>If I can find an AMD-64 mainboard with minimum one 66MHz PCI slot > >>>it will me help too. > >>> > >>> > >>>Greetings > >>>Michelle > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > > > > -- .O. Scream, Scream like the silence of the bits. ..O Dead lies the flag by the feet of the cold one. OOO Freedom WILL break the walls of mammon. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
I am not sure if this is of help, but how about Athlon MP ? Best regards Nils Valentin -- Tyan Motherboard for Dual AMD? Athlon? MP processors w/ 2 onboard VRMS, Model S2469GN Specifications: CPU Support: Dual AMD? Athlon? MP FSB: 200MHz and 266MHz Chipset: AMD-760? MPX chipset, AMD-762? north bridge and AMD-768? south bridge, Winbond? W83627HF Super I/O ASIC RAM: Four 2.5v 184-pin DDR DIMM sockets,Supports up to 4GB* of PC2100 Regist. DDR RAM, Supports ECC (72-bit) modules HardDrives: 2 x ATA-100/66/33 Slots: 1xAGP Pro 110 (4x/2x), Two 64-bit 66MHz* (3.3V) and three 32-bit 33MHz (5V) PCI slots (6 total slots) Ports: 1xFD(supports upto 2 drives), 2xSerial ports, 1xParallel, 2xPS/2, 2xUSB Onboard Lan: Intel 82545EM/82551QM 10/100/1000Mbps (64-bit 66MHz/(32-bit 33MHz) --- On Saturday 23 October 2004 03:52, Kyle Rose wrote: > > Do you have seen the prices for Dual-Opteron mainboards ? > > It is the half of my Computer... :-( > > > > Better I find an AMD-64 with PCI-32/66 > > It's not clear to me that a normal Athlon64 *can* support a 66 MHz PCI > bus: that may be a feature limited to Opterons and FX's. > > Cheers, > Kyle -- kind regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql/
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
In The Night wrote: Ben Wang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There won't be any A64 boards with more than PCI 32-bit 33mhz. Wrong. Snip from ananova: VIA just launched their first reference boards using PCI Express on the Athlon 64. Later this month, we also expect new Athlon 64 chipsets from others that will add PCI Express capabilities to the Socket 939 platform. While these new chipsets could migrate later to Socket 754 single-channel, the new chipsets will launch with Socket 939. This will further push the 754 to the value side of the Athlon 64 line. I am referring to PCI and its derivatives (64-bit PCI, PCI-X, etc). By more, I am referring to one of those derivatives and not PCI-Express. There is no doubt PCI-Express (which is not what is required here) will be available soon on the AMD platform. Ben This is a chipset limitation as all current chipsets only support PCI 32-bit 33mhz. I have never seen a 32-bit 66mhz slot (doesn't mean it doesn't exist but highly unlikely on the A64 platform), most of the 66mhz devices are connected to 64-bit slots. Look for motherboards with the AMD-8131/8132 chipset but you'll most likely find them only on dual Opteron boards in EATX form factor. Ben Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2004-10-22 17:38:02, schrieb Kyuu Eturautti: I haven't tried network cards, but I have some Adaptec 29160 64-bit SCSI controllers in 32 bit slots and I haven't run into any problems on Athlon 64 or other systems with only PCI-32/33 slots. I know, but I need 64-Bit CPU and speed on network. I have checked more then 30 AMD-64 mainboards but they have only PCI-32/33 and not PCI-32/66. If I can find an AMD-64 mainboard with minimum one 66MHz PCI slot it will me help too. Greetings Michelle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
There won't be any A64 boards with more than PCI 32-bit 33mhz. This is a chipset limitation as all current chipsets only support PCI 32-bit 33mhz. I have never seen a 32-bit 66mhz slot (doesn't mean it doesn't exist but highly unlikely on the A64 platform), most of the 66mhz devices are connected to 64-bit slots. Look for motherboards with the AMD-8131/8132 chipset but you'll most likely find them only on dual Opteron boards in EATX form factor. Ben Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2004-10-22 17:38:02, schrieb Kyuu Eturautti: I haven't tried network cards, but I have some Adaptec 29160 64-bit SCSI controllers in 32 bit slots and I haven't run into any problems on Athlon 64 or other systems with only PCI-32/33 slots. I know, but I need 64-Bit CPU and speed on network. I have checked more then 30 AMD-64 mainboards but they have only PCI-32/33 and not PCI-32/66. If I can find an AMD-64 mainboard with minimum one 66MHz PCI slot it will me help too. Greetings Michelle
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
Am 2004-10-22 07:50:29, schrieb Alex Perry: > Michelle Konzack wrote: > > >This is what I curently do, but get not more then 20 MByte/Second > >using the Intel EtherExpress pro 1000MT. > > > > Are you sure that the data source (wget file or whatever) is RAM > resident ? That looks suspiciously like an IDE read limit or similar. > I've had non-64 bit athlons running at over 90% of the wire theoretical > limit on a pair of intel gigabit cards without much trouble ... but it > took some thought to structure the benchmark to make sure (a) the > packets contained valid data and (b) other subsystems weren't limiting > the flow rate. I have a 3w7506 (Raid-5) in my FileServer with 3 x 250 GByte UDMA133 and in my Workststion 3w75xx as 2-Chanel Raid-1 I think fast enough... > Alex. Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
> Do you have seen the prices for Dual-Opteron mainboards ? > It is the half of my Computer... :-( > > Better I find an AMD-64 with PCI-32/66 It's not clear to me that a normal Athlon64 *can* support a 66 MHz PCI bus: that may be a feature limited to Opterons and FX's. Cheers, Kyle
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
Am 2004-10-22 17:26:24, schrieb Erik Mouw: > We faced similar problems with Athlons when we wanted PCI 64/66 slots. > We just got a dual CPU board and plugged in only a single Athlon CPU. > > You can do the same with Opterons: get a dual CPU board (Tyan Thunder > K8W works very nice for me and has four PCI-X slots) and use only one > CPU. Do you have seen the prices for Dual-Opteron mainboards ? It is the half of my Computer... :-( Better I find an AMD-64 with PCI-32/66 There is realy a need for a Mainboard-Database... > Erik Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
Am 2004-10-22 17:38:02, schrieb Kyuu Eturautti: > I haven't tried network cards, but I have some Adaptec 29160 64-bit SCSI > controllers in 32 bit slots and I haven't run into any problems on Athlon > 64 or other systems with only PCI-32/33 slots. I know, but I need 64-Bit CPU and speed on network. I have checked more then 30 AMD-64 mainboards but they have only PCI-32/33 and not PCI-32/66. If I can find an AMD-64 mainboard with minimum one 66MHz PCI slot it will me help too. Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 04:39:34PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2004-10-22 16:28:00, schrieb Erik Mouw: > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 01:00:11PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > You can put PCI-X cards in PCI slots. We have two dual Athlon boxes > > each with an Intel dual E1000 server adapter in a PCI 64/66 slot and > > that works just fine. I haven't tried them in a PCI-32/33 slot, but I > > expect that would work fine, too. (that's at least the theory behind > > it). > > I know, this is wahat I do curently, but I need an AMD64(fx) or > an Opteron for developing 64-Bit-Applications. > > P4 are no problem to get with PCI-X... 100-140 Euro !!! :-( We faced similar problems with Athlons when we wanted PCI 64/66 slots. We just got a dual CPU board and plugged in only a single Athlon CPU. You can do the same with Opterons: get a dual CPU board (Tyan Thunder K8W works very nice for me and has four PCI-X slots) and use only one CPU. Erik -- +-- Erik Mouw -- www.harddisk-recovery.com -- +31 70 370 12 90 -- | Lab address: Delftechpark 26, 2628 XH, Delft, The Netherlands
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
>> I need a X-PCI slot because my Intel GBit NIC's. > > You can put PCI-X cards in PCI slots. We have two dual Athlon boxes > each with an Intel dual E1000 server adapter in a PCI 64/66 slot and > that works just fine. I haven't tried them in a PCI-32/33 slot, but I > expect that would work fine, too. (that's at least the theory behind > it). I haven't tried network cards, but I have some Adaptec 29160 64-bit SCSI controllers in 32 bit slots and I haven't run into any problems on Athlon 64 or other systems with only PCI-32/33 slots. /v\
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Alex Perry wrote: Michelle Konzack wrote: This is what I curently do, but get not more then 20 MByte/Second using the Intel EtherExpress pro 1000MT. Are you sure that the data source (wget file or whatever) is RAM resident ? That looks suspiciously like an IDE read limit or similar. I've had non-64 bit athlons running at over 90% of the wire theoretical limit on a pair of intel gigabit cards without much trouble ... but it took some thought to structure the benchmark to make sure (a) the packets contained valid data and (b) other subsystems weren't limiting the flow rate. I have done similar things over time, and although I have gotten slightly faster speeds (topping out at about 30Mbyte/s), that's about the limit. Same setup but using a 64/66 or better pci slot gets aroudn 100MByte/s throughput (athlon/p3/p4/whatever, that's not important here, pci bus is). /Mattias Wadenstein
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
Michelle Konzack wrote: This is what I curently do, but get not more then 20 MByte/Second using the Intel EtherExpress pro 1000MT. Are you sure that the data source (wget file or whatever) is RAM resident ? That looks suspiciously like an IDE read limit or similar. I've had non-64 bit athlons running at over 90% of the wire theoretical limit on a pair of intel gigabit cards without much trouble ... but it took some thought to structure the benchmark to make sure (a) the packets contained valid data and (b) other subsystems weren't limiting the flow rate. Alex.
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
Am 2004-10-22 16:28:00, schrieb Erik Mouw: > On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 01:00:11PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > You can put PCI-X cards in PCI slots. We have two dual Athlon boxes > each with an Intel dual E1000 server adapter in a PCI 64/66 slot and > that works just fine. I haven't tried them in a PCI-32/33 slot, but I > expect that would work fine, too. (that's at least the theory behind > it). I know, this is wahat I do curently, but I need an AMD64(fx) or an Opteron for developing 64-Bit-Applications. P4 are no problem to get with PCI-X... 100-140 Euro !!! :-( > Erik Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
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Hello Mathias, Am 2004-10-22 13:56:43, schrieb Mattias Wadenstein: > But if you don't need to do more than about 30 MByte/s, a PCI-X card will > fit in an ordinary PCI slot. This is what I curently do, but get not more then 20 MByte/Second using the Intel EtherExpress pro 1000MT. With my old 3Com 3c905C I get around 8 MByte. My FileServer IS NOT the bottleneck :-) It is directly connected to one of the four GBit Ports of my 3Com SuperStack III and I have already attacked it by wget'ing the local Debian-Mirror from 12 Machines connected to the 100 MBit ports :-) > /Mattias Wadenstein Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 01:00:11PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > I do not find any AMD64(fx) mainboards with X-PCI Slots in Germany/ > France. Only Opterons which are to expensive for a Workststion. Yeah, that's right. > I need a X-PCI slot because my Intel GBit NIC's. You can put PCI-X cards in PCI slots. We have two dual Athlon boxes each with an Intel dual E1000 server adapter in a PCI 64/66 slot and that works just fine. I haven't tried them in a PCI-32/33 slot, but I expect that would work fine, too. (that's at least the theory behind it). Erik -- +-- Erik Mouw -- www.harddisk-recovery.com -- +31 70 370 12 90 -- | Lab address: Delftechpark 26, 2628 XH, Delft, The Netherlands
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
Michelle Konzack wrote: I do not find any AMD64(fx) mainboards with X-PCI Slots in Germany/ France. Only Opterons which are to expensive for a Workststion. you mean pci-x. opterons in the 14x series should really be that expensive. (142 for less than 200 euros) I need a X-PCI slot because my Intel GBit NIC's. maybe you want to wait for some pcie boards that include (multiple) gigabitethernet chips onboard. such boards already exist for the the intel x86 plaform. maybe when vendors start shipping their pcie chipsets for x86-64, such boards might appear too. Can you tell me some mainboard types which support X-PCI ? i dont know about your details, but maybe its cheaper to go for some single-opteron (1xx-series) board with gigabit onboard and all that, than sticking to your old intel nic and waiting for some upcoming solution. the opteron 1xx-series are compatible with the amd64-fx ones if im not mistaken. for example the single socket boards from tyan http://www.tyan.com/products/html/opteron.html or others.
Re: AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello, I do not find any AMD64(fx) mainboards with X-PCI Slots in Germany/ France. Only Opterons which are to expensive for a Workststion. I need a X-PCI slot because my Intel GBit NIC's. Can you tell me some mainboard types which support X-PCI ? If you mean PCI-X (I've never heard of X-PCI), you probably won't get hold of a cheap motherboard with that. PCI-X is usually only available on server and workstation motherboards, which means Opteron in the amd64 world. But if you don't need to do more than about 30 MByte/s, a PCI-X card will fit in an ordinary PCI slot. /Mattias Wadenstein
AMD64 mainboard with X-PCI ?
Hello, I do not find any AMD64(fx) mainboards with X-PCI Slots in Germany/ France. Only Opterons which are to expensive for a Workststion. I need a X-PCI slot because my Intel GBit NIC's. Can you tell me some mainboard types which support X-PCI ? Thanks Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
