Re: Confused: nvidia on AMD64???
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 06:44:21PM -0600, Michael Langley wrote: Hey, to each his own. I was just stating my personal preference but I do encourage others to do the same. If you know how to use a few simple tools like ls and ln you shouldn't have any problems at all with the driver package from nvidia's site. I never have. I have also seen it make a lovely mess that was very hard to clean up and involved reinstalling many packages in order to restore the missing files. And you have to manually go put libraries in place on amd64 systems since nvidia tries to put them in the wrong directories (since it assumes the redhat layout is universal). I do find it sad, however, that so many people who use debian don't know how to do anything without help from the distro. The last time I was in the IRC channel half of the people there didn't even know how to get kernel source from kernel.org and were entirely dependant on the distribution for their source. The majority of users don't need to compile their own kernel, and for those that do, to do it properly requires quite a bit of knowledge that just doesn't do much good to most common users. The debian supplied kernel sources have security updates, which kernel.org does not, they just release new versions. The debian kernel sources had cramfs initrd support, which was required for people using initrd kernels on debian systems unless they completely did their own kernel work, in which case they probably weren't using initrd anyhow. Now that initramfs has taken over it is probably somewhat less necesary to use a patched kernel source. Don't assume all users have any need to know how to compile a kernel or any other code for that matter. They want to use their computer, not have to mess with it. They like it when it just works, and doesn't crash or have stupid errors. It's my opinion that this sort of depenancy would fall under the windows like behavior you mentioned previously. Certainly you wouldn't prefer a bunch of sheeple that don't even know how to build thier own kernels or do something as simple as install video drivers for themselves. I hope that's not were the community is headed. Having one system handle all file installation and removal avoids files being overwritten, makes sure dependancies are handled consistently and keeps the system working. You install something, it works. This is nothing like windows. Being easy to use is not a bad thing. Being consistent is certainly not a bad thing (too bad windows doesn't have a consistent universal install tool). Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Confused: nvidia on AMD64???
Hi, I just put a NVidia GeForce FX 5200 into my machine (my Matrox 550 will not work properly with Xinerama after the update to x.org). I followed several howto's (even from the people that wrote it worked, e.g. Stefan Salewski's NVidia driver successfully installed! and his link http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html) but I cannot apt-get the nvidia-kernel-source from any of the mentioned repositories. Is it possible to compile the module on a AMD64 system? Where can I apt-get the packages mentioned in howto above for AMD64? TIA Groeten, Joost Kraaijeveld Askesis B.V. Molukkenstraat 14 6524NB Nijmegen tel: 024-3888063 / 06-51855277 fax: 024-3608416 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.askesis.nl
Re: Confused: nvidia on AMD64???
On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 18:46 +0100, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote: Hi, I just put a NVidia GeForce FX 5200 into my machine (my Matrox 550 will not work properly with Xinerama after the update to x.org). I followed several howto's (even from the people that wrote it worked, e.g. Stefan Salewski's NVidia driver successfully installed! and his link http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html) but I cannot apt-get the nvidia-kernel-source from any of the mentioned repositories. Is it possible to compile the module on a AMD64 system? Where can I apt-get the packages mentioned in howto above for AMD64? TIA Make sure that non-free is in /etc/apt/sources.list. It is not there by default. HTH, -Jonathan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused: nvidia on AMD64???
On Thursday 22 December 2005 13:46, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote: Hi, I just put a NVidia GeForce FX 5200 into my machine (my Matrox 550 will not work properly with Xinerama after the update to x.org). I followed several howto's (even from the people that wrote it worked, e.g. Stefan Salewski's NVidia driver successfully installed! and his link http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html) but I cannot apt-get the nvidia-kernel-source from any of the mentioned repositories. Is it possible to compile the module on a AMD64 system? Where can I apt-get the packages mentioned in howto above for AMD64? I use this in my sources.list to get everything needed. ## Nvidia drivers for unstable deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia unstable/amd64/ deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia unstable/all/ You can change the unstable to stable in the lines if needed. Stephen -- Debian the choice of a GNU generation GPG Public Key: http://users.eastlink.ca/~stephencormier/publickey.asc pgpUiszgBk58J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Confused: nvidia on AMD64???
On 18:46 Thu 22 Dec , Joost Kraaijeveld wrote: Hi, I just put a NVidia GeForce FX 5200 into my machine (my Matrox 550 will not work properly with Xinerama after the update to x.org). I followed several howto's (even from the people that wrote it worked, e.g. Stefan Salewski's NVidia driver successfully installed! and his link http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html) but I cannot apt-get the nvidia-kernel-source from any of the mentioned repositories. Is it possible to compile the module on a AMD64 system? Where can I apt-get the packages mentioned in howto above for AMD64? I got the sources for the latest nvidia-graphics-drivers 1.0.8174 from: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/ They compile on my amd64 and work OK with the latest kernel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused: nvidia on AMD64???
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 06:46:07PM +0100, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote: I just put a NVidia GeForce FX 5200 into my machine (my Matrox 550 will not work properly with Xinerama after the update to x.org). I followed several howto's (even from the people that wrote it worked, e.g. Stefan Salewski's NVidia driver successfully installed! and his link http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html) but I cannot apt-get the nvidia-kernel-source from any of the mentioned repositories. Is it possible to compile the module on a AMD64 system? Where can I apt-get the packages mentioned in howto above for AMD64? nvidia-kernel-source and other nvidia packages are not in the amd64 archive last I checked. You can get the source version of the package from non-free on any debian mirror and build the .deb's from that and they work just fine on amd64. Shouldn't we simply add the binary *.deb files to the pool for amd64? AFAIK the new packages are no longer experimental, but unstable. I could upload the *.deb files, if I get some permission. Regards Harri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Confused: nvidia on AMD64???
I don't know about the rest of the list but there are some things I don't like to depend on my distro for. Kernel source, alsa, and nvidia drivers just to name a few. I just updated the latest nvidia drivers the other day and got them from nvidia.com at the url below: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html They work just fine. On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:46:07 +0100 Joost Kraaijeveld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just put a NVidia GeForce FX 5200 into my machine (my Matrox 550 will not work properly with Xinerama after the update to x.org). I followed several howto's (even from the people that wrote it worked, e.g. Stefan Salewski's NVidia driver successfully installed! and his link http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html) but I cannot apt-get the nvidia-kernel-source from any of the mentioned repositories. Is it possible to compile the module on a AMD64 system? Where can I apt-get the packages mentioned in howto above for AMD64? TIA Groeten, Joost Kraaijeveld Askesis B.V. Molukkenstraat 14 6524NB Nijmegen tel: 024-3888063 / 06-51855277 fax: 024-3608416 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.askesis.nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused: nvidia on AMD64???
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:46:07 +0100 Joost Kraaijeveld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just put a NVidia GeForce FX 5200 into my machine (my Matrox 550 will not work properly with Xinerama after the update to x.org). I followed several howto's (even from the people that wrote it worked, e.g. Stefan Salewski's NVidia driver successfully installed! and his link http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html) but I cannot apt-get the nvidia-kernel-source from any of the mentioned repositories. Is it possible to compile the module on a AMD64 system? Where can I apt-get the packages mentioned in howto above for AMD64? Unless you really play 3D games (which I guess you don't given it's a 5200!) why do you even bother with those binary drivers? My 6600 (cheapest no-fan pci-e card I could find without 'turbo-cache' and other probably-windows-only-stuff) works very good in x.org and the framebuffer console, with mplayer, ogle, xine etc. all working very nicely. And having the framebuffer console working great at the same time is a very big bonus for me - in fact, I couldn't live without it. 3D speed is not important at all - I never use it. HTH, Jurriaan -- Beam me up, Scotty, but leave the others here. Debian (Unstable) GNU/Linux 2.6.15-rc5-mm1 2x4805 bogomips 0.77 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused: nvidia on AMD64???
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 02:07:32PM -0600, Michael Langley wrote: I don't know about the rest of the list but there are some things I don't like to depend on my distro for. Kernel source, alsa, and nvidia drivers just to name a few. I just updated the latest nvidia drivers the other day and got them from nvidia.com at the url below: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html They work just fine. Unfortunately the nvidia installer assumes you run redhat or similar and makes a lovely mess of the filesystem. It is highly discouraged to do something so windows like to your debian system. Windows is quite unstable in many cases, and it is often _not_ directly microsoft's fault, although encouraging everyone to write their own installers and putting files everywhere is their fault. We try to encourage the saner approach in debian. This means anything in /usr (except /usr/local), /bin, /sbin, /lib, belongs to dpkg/apt and nothing else has any business putting files there. If they do, dpkg is allowed and expected to overwrite the files at will. The debian packages for the nvidia driver puts things in the right place, uses dpkg so the files won't be overwritten by other things and won't overwrite existing files, and it just works and is easy to manage. Certainly easier to installing it from the nvidia package. If you want your system slightly broken, that is your choice. Please don't encourage others to repeat it though. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused: nvidia on AMD64???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless you really play 3D games (which I guess you don't given it's a 5200!) why do you even bother with those binary drivers? My 6600 (cheapest no-fan pci-e card I could find without 'turbo-cache' and other probably-windows-only-stuff) works very good in x.org and the framebuffer console, with mplayer, ogle, xine etc. all working very nicely. And having the framebuffer console working great at the same time is a very big bonus for me - in fact, I couldn't live without it. 3D speed is not important at all - I never use it. 3D is important for CAD, games, nice screen savers, etc. Maybe this is not your interest, but others might be very well interested. Regards Harri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Confused: nvidia on AMD64???
Hey, to each his own. I was just stating my personal preference but I do encourage others to do the same. If you know how to use a few simple tools like ls and ln you shouldn't have any problems at all with the driver package from nvidia's site. I never have. I do find it sad, however, that so many people who use debian don't know how to do anything without help from the distro. The last time I was in the IRC channel half of the people there didn't even know how to get kernel source from kernel.org and were entirely dependant on the distribution for their source. It's my opinion that this sort of depenancy would fall under the windows like behavior you mentioned previously. Certainly you wouldn't prefer a bunch of sheeple that don't even know how to build thier own kernels or do something as simple as install video drivers for themselves. I hope that's not were the community is headed. On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:27:01 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 02:07:32PM -0600, Michael Langley wrote: I don't know about the rest of the list but there are some things I don't like to depend on my distro for. Kernel source, alsa, and nvidia drivers just to name a few. I just updated the latest nvidia drivers the other day and got them from nvidia.com at the url below: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html They work just fine. Unfortunately the nvidia installer assumes you run redhat or similar and makes a lovely mess of the filesystem. It is highly discouraged to do something so windows like to your debian system. Windows is quite unstable in many cases, and it is often _not_ directly microsoft's fault, although encouraging everyone to write their own installers and putting files everywhere is their fault. We try to encourage the saner approach in debian. This means anything in /usr (except /usr/local), /bin, /sbin, /lib, belongs to dpkg/apt and nothing else has any business putting files there. If they do, dpkg is allowed and expected to overwrite the files at will. The debian packages for the nvidia driver puts things in the right place, uses dpkg so the files won't be overwritten by other things and won't overwrite existing files, and it just works and is easy to manage. Certainly easier to installing it from the nvidia package. If you want your system slightly broken, that is your choice. Please don't encourage others to repeat it though. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
