Re: Filesystem stability?
Thanks to all of you for your replies. In the history of my site, we've gone through 4 filesystems: initially, we were ext2, then ext3, then ReiserFS 3.6, and finally XFS. Each of these were chosen for a reason (ext3 because we needed journaling, ReiserFS because we needed higher performance for lots of small files, XFS because we couldn't eat ReiserFS's bad unlink performance). XFS has, in general, been pretty good to us. However, given that we've seen some "odd" behavior with it on 32bit, and given that SGI doesn't appear to be maintaining XFS much anymore, I believe we will be switching to something else. I'm not sure exactly what, yet, but it appears that XFS isn't a good choice anymore. M signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Filesystem stability?
On 7/11/05, Mark Ferlatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable > as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things > happening with JFS and XFS. We have had some trouble with XFS. It's *possible* that the problems relate to use of EMC fiberchannel multipath drivers, but when we passed the news upstream, SuSE did report back that they had had similar reports from other Opteron/XFS users. We have some boxes we plan to move to JFS... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784)
Re: Filesystem stability?
Hi, Am Montag, den 11.07.2005, 18:18 -0700 schrieb Mark Ferlatte: > I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable > as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things > happening with JFS and XFS. > > That being said, I can't find anything even approaching authoritative, > so I thought I'd ask: > > What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? I always used XFS on 32bit and was happy with it. Some month ago I installed an Ubuntu/64bit with XFS as IMAP/POP3 server. After some weeks the machine crashed, since I had misconfigured a spamfilter that ate up all ressources. The filesystem was damaged, and I repaired it from a rescue CD. Since some binaries appeared in /lost +found, I --reinstall'ed all installed packages, and everything was fine. My faults until to here. Two weeks later the machine crashed again. This time I found a message in syslog that said XFS-Data had been corrupted in RAM and the filesystem would be remounted read-only. That broke some processes, so I could not login anymore. I shutdown by sysrequest-keys. Again, the filesystem was damaged. I ran a Ramtest from a CD. No problems. Two weeks later the machine crashed again. Same message in syslog. Filesystem damaged. I decided to run the machine without fam (since I had no better idea) The machine then worked for another two weeks, then I did a kernel-update and rebooted. So, the countdown is reset to start... I do not want to blame XFS, but that looks suspicious to me. Bye, Ratti -- -o) fontlinge | Fontmanagement for Linux | Schriftenverwaltung in Linux /\\ http://freshmeat.net/projects/fontlinge/ _\_V http://www.gesindel.de https://sourceforge.net/projects/fontlinge/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Filesystem stability?
On 10:40, Tue 12 Jul 05, Pete St. Onge wrote: > I've been using XFS on AMD64 on a 3ware array for about a year as well. > I changed kernels a couple of times (I usually use vanilla kernel.org > kernels), and it's a pretty happy machine. > > -- pete > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 06:06:33AM +0200, Miroslav Maiksnar wrote: > > Dne út 12. ??ervence 2005 3:18 Mark Ferlatte napsal(a): > > > I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable > > > as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things > > > happening with JFS and XFS. > > > > > > That being said, I can't find anything even approaching authoritative, > > > so I thought I'd ask: > > > > > > What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? > > > > I'm using XFS more than year on AMD64 without troubles (on both desktop and > > server). > > > > Mixi > > > > -- > Pete St. Onge > pete at seul.org > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I would consider what file system tools you need, for example if you plan on resizing your partitions a lot, XFS might not be the best choice. As in XFS you can always go bigger, but its a pain to go smaller. I would do a search of google for the proper tools, make sure that those tools are what you need. The point about the bug reports are valid in my book, if a company does not have the time to dedicate bug fixes, or lack of development maybe a new filesystem is in order. Its kind of like what flavor of ice cream one person likes, some like vanilla, some strawberry, etc ... I do find in my situation that I have caused most of my crashes, for example a keyboard locks up, or no matter what I do I can not get to a terminal, so I hit the reset switch. In a case like that I think any filesystem would have problems, I have used Reiser3, XFS, ext3, I did have corruptions in ext3, and Reiser3 but like I said it was probably user induced, right now I am using XFS, and ext3 in a boot partition. Its been pretty hardy when I have to hit the reset button due to lockups. In my case lockups happen due to the chipset I am using, I have the old 760 amd chipset used in an old dual mp tyan motherboard. These boards and chipsets are known to have errata regardless of the kernel options I pass to it. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am Dienstag, 12. Juli 2005 11:57 schrieb Alexander Voss: > I'm using ext3 with no problems and ext2 with error messages about "not > cleanly unmounted partitions" at boot - but without further problems, too. I have a mail server running for six months now using ext3 for all partitions including /var/spool, very heavy load included over longer times (incl. virus and spam scanner, peak load everage sometimes > 30 because of heavy disc usage, 2nd proc mostly being idle. Sadly 3ware RAID5 adapter doesn't fit into the case [Tyan GX28 S2881]). Ext3 might not be optimal for mail servers but as I'm a bit conservative here I was confident this journalling fs based on 'ye ole linux fs' would be stable. And indeed it is perfectly stable, no issues by now. It runs on RAID1 md devices (being SATA drives physically). Also no issues on any other machines (servers & desktops) which are all i386 by now. Sönke
Re: Filesystem stability?
I've using Ext3 on AMD64 for a year and all works perfectly. 2005/7/12, Pete St. Onge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've been using XFS on AMD64 on a 3ware array for about a year as well. > I changed kernels a couple of times (I usually use vanilla kernel.org > kernels), and it's a pretty happy machine. > > -- pete > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 06:06:33AM +0200, Miroslav Maiksnar wrote: > > Dne út 12. ??ervence 2005 3:18 Mark Ferlatte napsal(a): > > > I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable > > > as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things > > > happening with JFS and XFS. > > > > > > That being said, I can't find anything even approaching authoritative, > > > so I thought I'd ask: > > > > > > What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? > > > > I'm using XFS more than year on AMD64 without troubles (on both desktop and > > server). > > > > Mixi > > > > -- > Pete St. Onge > pete at seul.org > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Filesystem stability?
I've been using XFS on AMD64 on a 3ware array for about a year as well. I changed kernels a couple of times (I usually use vanilla kernel.org kernels), and it's a pretty happy machine. -- pete On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 06:06:33AM +0200, Miroslav Maiksnar wrote: > Dne út 12. ??ervence 2005 3:18 Mark Ferlatte napsal(a): > > I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable > > as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things > > happening with JFS and XFS. > > > > That being said, I can't find anything even approaching authoritative, > > so I thought I'd ask: > > > > What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? > > I'm using XFS more than year on AMD64 without troubles (on both desktop and > server). > > Mixi > -- Pete St. Onge pete at seul.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Filesystem stability?
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 02:25:53PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > Mark Ferlatte wrote: > > > What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? > > I'm a big fan of reiserfs but have heard problems with people using it > on amd64 (and also alpha, which suggests it might be a general 64-bit > cleanliness issue). I've been using Reiser3 on alpha for ages. No problems other than the ones inherent in its design (data integrity on crash issues, which all the journaled FSs except ext3 and reiser4 seem to suffer from) -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 06:18:15PM -0700, Mark Ferlatte wrote: > I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable > as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things > happening with JFS and XFS. I'd agree with that. I am using Reiser4 and am quite happy with it. Here are some links from my blog: http://changelog.complete.org/node/293 http://changelog.complete.org/node/320 http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/apas02.html -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Filesystem stability?
Mark Ferlatte wrote: > I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable > as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things > happening with JFS and XFS. > > That being said, I can't find anything even approaching authoritative, > so I thought I'd ask: > > What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? > > M I'm using ext3 with no problems and ext2 with error messages about "not cleanly unmounted partitions" at boot - but without further problems, too. Alex -- System: AMD64 3400 Notebook running Debian unstable (amd64) with Vanilla Kernel 2.6.13-rc1 (www.kernel.org - no patches) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Filesystem stability?
Reiserfs in my amd64 laptop with no probs at all. El Martes, 12 de Julio de 2005 07:25, Cameron Patrick escribió: > Mark Ferlatte wrote: > > What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? > > I'm a big fan of reiserfs but have heard problems with people using it > on amd64 (and also alpha, which suggests it might be a general 64-bit > cleanliness issue). > > Cameron.
Re: Filesystem stability?
On 7/12/05, Mark Ferlatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable > as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things > happening with JFS and XFS. I filed this bug ages ago: http://oss.sgi.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=amd64&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=amd64&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=amd64&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=amd64 Basically the log format is not compatibly between 32bit and 64bit. 1) nobody is looking into bug reports any more at SGI 2) there are bugs If I were to choose again, I would use reiserfs. It has the backing of a major Linux player, and I am sure bugs for AMD64 would be fixed by them. And reiserfs4 looks very promissing, although I would certainly consider it experimental at this stage. Thomas
Re: Filesystem stability?
Dne út 12. července 2005 3:18 Mark Ferlatte napsal(a): > I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable > as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things > happening with JFS and XFS. > > That being said, I can't find anything even approaching authoritative, > so I thought I'd ask: > > What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? I'm using XFS more than year on AMD64 without troubles (on both desktop and server). Mixi
Re: Filesystem stability?
We've been running ReiserFS on a Debian Opteron cluster head node (4TB hardware RAID), on another Debian Opteron backup machine (1.5TB on several drives), and on several 32-bit Debian boxes without any issues... Brian Oborn Cameron Patrick wrote: Mark Ferlatte wrote: What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? I'm a big fan of reiserfs but have heard problems with people using it on amd64 (and also alpha, which suggests it might be a general 64-bit cleanliness issue). Cameron. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mark Ferlatte wrote: > What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? I'm a big fan of reiserfs but have heard problems with people using it on amd64 (and also alpha, which suggests it might be a general 64-bit cleanliness issue). Cameron. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:18:15 -0700, Mark Ferlatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable > as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things > happening with JFS and XFS. > > That being said, I can't find anything even approaching authoritative, > so I thought I'd ask: > > What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad > experiences? I use ext3, and love it. I used to use ReiserFS (and swore by it), but got BADLY burned a couple of years ago (what was initially a single corrupted file was turned into a totally trashed partition by the Reiser tools, and I ended up losing the entire partition) and haven't touched it since. Regards, Ozz. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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El lun, 11-07-2005 a las 18:18 -0700, Mark Ferlatte escribió: > I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable > as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things > happening with JFS and XFS. > > That being said, I can't find anything even approaching authoritative, > so I thought I'd ask: > > What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? > > M I'm using on my desktop and on a production server XFS with no problem -- Angel Claudio Alvarez Usuario Linux Registrado 143466 GPG Public Key en http://pgp.mit.edu key fingerprint = 3AED D95B 7E2D E954 61C8 F505 1884 473C FC8C 8AC4 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Filesystem stability?
I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things happening with JFS and XFS. That being said, I can't find anything even approaching authoritative, so I thought I'd ask: What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? M signature.asc Description: Digital signature
