Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 01:21:31PM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote:
> Len, you are fantastic.  Thanks SO MUCH!  It works
> perfectly and I've learned quite a bit.

Me too.  Now I know how to use equivs.  One of those things I knew
existed but never used before.

Len Sorensen


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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Zachary Rizer]

--- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> Requirements for libs yes, but won't make the
> package system happy.
> 
> Using the equivs package means you can install the
> proper i386
> nvidia-glx package in the chroot, without having to
> build an i386 kernel
> package as well, since the equivs package will
> provide the dependancy it
> needs.
> 
> ie:
> /tmp/nvidia-kernel-equivs.control:
> Section: misc
> Priority: optional
> Standards-Version: 3.5.10
> 
> Package: nvidia-kernel-equivs
> Version: 1.0.7174
> Maintainer: Len Sorensen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Provides: nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174
> Architecture: all
> Description: Fake package for nvidia-kernel-modules
>  Fake package to satisfy nvidia-glx dependancies for
> chroot use.
> 
> debdev1:~# equivs-build
> /tmp/nvidia-kernel-equivs.controlA
> 
> Out comes: nvidia-kernel-equivs_1.0.7174_all.deb
> 
> Install with dpkg -i and you satisfy the
> requirements of the chroot to
> then install nvidia-glx.
> 
> Change names and version numbers to match your
> needs.
> 
> Len Sorensen

Len, you are fantastic.  Thanks SO MUCH!  It works
perfectly and I've learned quite a bit.

nvidia   4368492  12 
->
 
NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86_64 NVIDIA Kernel Module
 1.0-7676  Fri Jul 29 13:15:16 PDT 2005
GCC version:  gcc version 4.0.2 20050917 (prerelease)
(Debian 4.0.1-8)

I'll test out some 32bit games when I get home.

Thanks again,
Zaq
 


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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 12:15:17PM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote:
> I've created an i386 .deb of nvidia-glx and
> nvidia-kernel-source, and, you're right, the -glx
> package requires an i386 nvidia-kernel-7676.deb ...
> 
> No idea how to make this work ... is it as difficult
> as it seems?  Plus, doesn't the
> nvidia-glx-ia32_1.0.7676-1_amd64.deb package provide
> the necessary libs to satisfy OpenGL-wanting
> applications within the sid-ia32 chroot to operate? 
> They're placed in /emul ... can I copy them to the
> chroot's /usr/lib directory?

Requirements for libs yes, but won't make the package system happy.

Using the equivs package means you can install the proper i386
nvidia-glx package in the chroot, without having to build an i386 kernel
package as well, since the equivs package will provide the dependancy it
needs.

ie:
/tmp/nvidia-kernel-equivs.control:
Section: misc
Priority: optional
Standards-Version: 3.5.10

Package: nvidia-kernel-equivs
Version: 1.0.7174
Maintainer: Len Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Provides: nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174
Architecture: all
Description: Fake package for nvidia-kernel-modules
 Fake package to satisfy nvidia-glx dependancies for chroot use.

debdev1:~# equivs-build /tmp/nvidia-kernel-equivs.controlA

Out comes: nvidia-kernel-equivs_1.0.7174_all.deb

Install with dpkg -i and you satisfy the requirements of the chroot to
then install nvidia-glx.

Change names and version numbers to match your needs.

Len Sorensen


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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Zachary Rizer]

> In a chroot, you still need nvidia-kernel-foo in
> order to install the 
> nvidia-glx package.

I've created an i386 .deb of nvidia-glx and
nvidia-kernel-source, and, you're right, the -glx
package requires an i386 nvidia-kernel-7676.deb ...

> 
> Look into 'equivs', to generate an nvidia-kernel
> package to suit yoru 
> needs, and allow nvidia-glx to install.

No idea how to make this work ... is it as difficult
as it seems?  Plus, doesn't the
nvidia-glx-ia32_1.0.7676-1_amd64.deb package provide
the necessary libs to satisfy OpenGL-wanting
applications within the sid-ia32 chroot to operate? 
They're placed in /emul ... can I copy them to the
chroot's /usr/lib directory?

Thanks SO MUCH for your help. :)

Zaq


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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 08:41:44AM -0400, Zaq Rizer wrote:
> Wow ... I don't understand why that worked, but it worked.  I'll look
> into the how and why later.  Thanks so much, Len!
> 
> Should I follow a similar method to update my nvidia-glx package in my
> 32bit chroot or can I just install the experimental i386 debs for this?

install the matching nvidia-glx in the chroot.  I don't know if the
chroot will have issues with not seeing the kernel modules package
inside the chroot, even though it doesn't actually need it.  I suppose
you could just install it in the chroot to, or use a meta package (I
forget what tool can make those) to pretend to have what it wants
installed inside the chroot.

Len Sorensen


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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Aethon]

On 9/21/05, Zaq Rizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



  
  


On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 01:10 -0500, Aethon wrote:

On 9/20/05, Zaq Rizer <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Sorry
to sort of butt in here, but I've been trying to get my nvidia drivers
fixed for some time now and am stuck at a certain point.  Hoping
you can point me in the same direction you took, since you recently got
your setup working.




To be honest I'm not completely sure what you are doing. I just followed the directions from 
http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ going "the Debian way" using module-assistant.  I used the stock 2.6.12 debian kernel and it all worked without a hitch. 


So you're running the 7174 version of the nvidia module?  I was under the impression you were running the most recent.
I'm just running the 7174 version. It works just fine, so I'm not going to try to fix something that isn't broken.

Aethon

Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Jo Shields]

Zaq Rizer wrote:


On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 08:30 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:


On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 10:51:57PM -0400, Zaq Rizer wrote:
   


- snip for brevity -


Well for me compiling has worked just fine when I use module assistant
(and have gcc-4.0 installed since that is what the debian 2.6.12 kernels
use and hence require, unless you rebuilt it with 3.4 or someone else
did).

apt-get install gcc-4.0 (just in case you didn't already)
m-a -t prepare (sets up kernel headers and build essentials and such)
m-a a-i -t nvidia (builds and installs the module and it's dependancies)

Len Sorensen


   

Wow ... I don't understand why that worked, but it worked.  I'll look 
into the how and why later.  Thanks so much, Len!


Should I follow a similar method to update my nvidia-glx package in my 
32bit chroot or can I just install the experimental i386 debs for this?


Thanks again,
~Zaq

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In a chroot, you still need nvidia-kernel-foo in order to install the 
nvidia-glx package.


Look into 'equivs', to generate an nvidia-kernel package to suit yoru 
needs, and allow nvidia-glx to install.


--Jo


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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Zaq Rizer]

On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 08:30 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:


On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 10:51:57PM -0400, Zaq Rizer wrote:


- snip for brevity -



Well for me compiling has worked just fine when I use module assistant
(and have gcc-4.0 installed since that is what the debian 2.6.12 kernels
use and hence require, unless you rebuilt it with 3.4 or someone else
did).

apt-get install gcc-4.0 (just in case you didn't already)
m-a -t prepare (sets up kernel headers and build essentials and such)
m-a a-i -t nvidia (builds and installs the module and it's dependancies)

Len Sorensen




Wow ... I don't understand why that worked, but it worked.  I'll look into the how and why later.  Thanks so much, Len!

Should I follow a similar method to update my nvidia-glx package in my 32bit chroot or can I just install the experimental i386 debs for this?

Thanks again,



~Zaq

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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 10:51:57PM -0400, Zaq Rizer wrote:
> Sorry to sort of butt in here, but I've been trying to get my nvidia
> drivers fixed for some time now and am stuck at a certain point.  Hoping
> you can point me in the same direction you took, since you recently got
> your setup working.
> 
> Steps I have taken thus far:
> Following Adam Majer's instructions, which are roughly 
> 1) Get the latest nvidia-graphics-drivers package files from
> experimental 
> 2) dpkg-source -x nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.7667-3.dsc
> cd nvidia-graphics-drivers*
> fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
> 3) [This part I might have mucked up] -- Use the old instructions for
> building the custom nvidia-kernel module as per the AMD64 HOWTO
> available at
> [https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id272586]
> 
> But it's during this step #3, which Adam also recommended, applying
> [MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg --append-to-version -1-amd64-k8
> modules_image (from within /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8]
> that I get the following error:
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8'
> scripts/Makefile.build:13: scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or
> directory
> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/basic/Makefile'.  Stop.
> make[1]: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8'
> make: *** [stamp-kernel-configure] Error 2
> 
> Naturally, attempting to install the nvidia-glx, et al, packages fails
> because I need nvidia-kernel-1.0.7676.
> 
> Any help you or Adam Majer can provide is greatly appreciated.

Well for me compiling has worked just fine when I use module assistant
(and have gcc-4.0 installed since that is what the debian 2.6.12 kernels
use and hence require, unless you rebuilt it with 3.4 or someone else
did).

apt-get install gcc-4.0 (just in case you didn't already)
m-a -t prepare (sets up kernel headers and build essentials and such)
m-a a-i -t nvidia (builds and installs the module and it's dependancies)

Len Sorensen


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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Zaq Rizer]

On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 01:10 -0500, Aethon wrote:

On 9/20/05, Zaq Rizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Sorry to sort of butt in here, but I've been trying to get my nvidia drivers fixed for some time now and am stuck at a certain point.  Hoping you can point me in the same direction you took, since you recently got your setup working.




To be honest I'm not completely sure what you are doing. I just followed the directions from http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ going "the Debian way" using module-assistant.  I used the stock 2.6.12 debian kernel and it all worked without a hitch. 


So you're running the 7174 version of the nvidia module?  I was under the impression you were running the most recent.

Anyone else out there got the recent drivers working with a debian-provided 2.6.12-amd64-k8?



Aethon



Thanks anyway, Aethon.



~Zaq

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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Aethon]

On 9/20/05, Zaq Rizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Sorry to sort of butt in here, but I've been trying to get my nvidia
drivers fixed for some time now and am stuck at a certain point. 
Hoping you can point me in the same direction you took, since you
recently got your setup working.
To be honest I'm not completely sure what you are doing. I just
followed the directions from
http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ going "the Debian way"
using module-assistant.  I used the stock 2.6.12 debian kernel and
it all worked without a hitch. Then I updated the X server
configurations "The Debian way" (with dpkg-reconfigure) except I'm
running xorg instead of xfree86. Parts 3b,3c I didn't even have to do
since I already had a GUI going it was just using VGA @ 640x480 so 3b
was done and I tried 3c by rebooting instead (the lazy way out, but it
works).

The one thing to keep in mind, which you can probably skip with some
appropriate command line flags that I don't know, is that when doing
the module-assistant thing you need to be running the kernel that you
are trying to build the module for.

Aethon

Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Zaq Rizer]

On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 01:07 +, Aethon wrote:

On 9/17/05, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



As a followup to my other message: Now I understand.

"kernel-headers" as well as "kernel-image" are obsoleted, because the
new kernel package now creates "linux-image" as well as "linux-headers" 
packages.

And the newest of these is linux-headers-2.6.12-1.




That answers quite a few things. I've now got 2.6.12 running with the nvidia drivers. Now to figure out the sound...

Thanks

Aethon


Sorry to sort of butt in here, but I've been trying to get my nvidia drivers fixed for some time now and am stuck at a certain point.  Hoping you can point me in the same direction you took, since you recently got your setup working.

Steps I have taken thus far:
Following Adam Majer's instructions, which are roughly 
1) Get the latest nvidia-graphics-drivers package files from experimental 
2) dpkg-source -x nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.7667-3.dsc
    cd nvidia-graphics-drivers*
    fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
3) [This part I might have mucked up] -- Use the old instructions for building the custom nvidia-kernel module as per the AMD64 HOWTO available at [https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id272586]

But it's during this step #3, which Adam also recommended, applying [MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg --append-to-version -1-amd64-k8 modules_image (from within /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8] that I get the following error:
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8'
scripts/Makefile.build:13: scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/basic/Makefile'.  Stop.
make[1]: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8'
make: *** [stamp-kernel-configure] Error 2

Naturally, attempting to install the nvidia-glx, et al, packages fails because I need nvidia-kernel-1.0.7676.

Any help you or Adam Majer can provide is greatly appreciated.




~Zaq

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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Aethon]

On 9/17/05, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As a followup to my other message: Now I understand."kernel-headers" as well as "kernel-image" are obsoleted, because thenew kernel package now creates "linux-image" as well as "linux-headers"
packages.And the newest of these is linux-headers-2.6.12-1.
That answers quite a few things. I've now got 2.6.12 running with the nvidia drivers. Now to figure out the sound...

Thanks

Aethon

Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Frank]

As a followup to my other message: Now I understand.

"kernel-headers" as well as "kernel-image" are obsoleted, because the
new kernel package now creates "linux-image" as well as "linux-headers"
packages.

And the newest of these is linux-headers-2.6.12-1.


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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Frank]

Now that you mention it, I notice that these packages reside 
beneath "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" in aptitude. 
Don't ask me, where I got them from though ...

If it helps you, I could send them via E-Mail to you:

-rw-r--r--  1 root root 2854290 2005-06-29 19:02 
kernel-headers-2.6.11-9_2.6.11-4_amd64.deb
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  239872 2005-06-29 19:02 
kernel-headers-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8_2.6.11-4_amd64.deb


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Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Aethon]

On 9/17/05, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The packages exists for me. But I have only "testing" sourcesin my list, no "unstable" ones.Maybe you need to put the deb-src entry there?
I actually do have the deb-src there as well, I forgot to mention that.
 $ aptitude search kernel-headers
i A kernel-headers-2.6.11-9 - Header files related to Linux kernel versi   kernel-headers-2.6.11-9-amd64-k
 - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.11 o$ cat /etc/apt/sources.listdeb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian testing main contrib non-free
Ok, now I'm really confused. Just for the sake of testing I commented
out my sources.list and added the above two lines.  Then did:
# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[...snipped commented lines...]
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
# apt-get update
Get:1 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages [3367kB]
Get:2 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Release [96B]
Get:3 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/contrib Packages [42.9kB]
Get:4 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/contrib Release [99B]
Get:5 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/non-free Packages [30.4kB]
Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/non-free Release
Get:6 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Sources [1327kB]
Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Release
Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/contrib Sources
Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/contrib Release
Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/non-free Sources
Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/non-free Release
Fetched 4768kB in 5m53s (13.5kB/s)
Reading Package Lists... Done# aptitude search kernel-headers
v  
kernel-headers 
-
v   kernel-headers-2.4  -
v   kernel-headers-2.6  -
p   kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-generi - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6 on g
i   kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-k8 - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6 on A
p   kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-k8-smp - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6 on A
p   kernel-headers-2.6-em64t-p4 - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6 on I
p   kernel-headers-2.6-em64t-p4-smp - Linux kernel headers 2.6 on Intel EM64T s
i  
kernel-headers-2.6.8-11
- Header files related to Linux kernel vers
p   kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-amd64-g - Linux kernel headers 2.6.8 for generic x8
i   kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-amd64-k - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.8 on
p   kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-amd64-k - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.8 on
p   kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-em64t-p - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.8 on
p   kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-em64t-p - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.8 on
i  
linux-kernel-headers   
- Linux Kernel Headers for development
p  
misdn-kernel-headers   
- Header files for the mISDN drivers
p   pistachio-kernel-headers    - L4 microkernel implementation - kernel he

And I'm still not seeing the right package. For what it is worth the
output of "aptitude search kernel-headers" did not change by changing
to the ftp.de.debian.org repository.

How is it that I don't see the right package now? Is there somehow some
cache that apt has that I should try clearing or something?

Re: Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Frank]

The packages exists for me. But I have only "testing" sources
in my list, no "unstable" ones.
Maybe you need to put the deb-src entry there?

$ aptitude search kernel-headers
i A kernel-headers-2.6.11-9 - Header files related to Linux kernel vers
i   kernel-headers-2.6.11-9-amd64-k - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.11 o

$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian testing main contrib 
non-free

Am Samstag, 17. September 2005 23:56 schrieb Aethon:
> I'm trying to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 to 2.6.11-amd64-k8.
> The package installs fine and boots up ok, and even recognizes my sound
> card (which the 2.6.8 kernel does not, hence the reason I'm upgrading). The
> problem is when I try to install the nvidia module. I've installed the
> module for 2.6.8 using module-assistant with no problem. When I went to do
> this on 2.6.11 I get a problem running "module-assistant prepare". It
> complains that it cannot find the package kernel-headers-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8.
> I've search around for the package on
> packages.debian.organd can't seem to
> locate it. So where can I find this package or something
> else to resolve this dependancy?
>
> If it is relevant, my /etc/apt/sources.list has
> deb http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main contrib
> non-free
> deb http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ unstable main contrib
> non-free
>
> I'm running testing with the occasional package from unstable.


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Kernel Headers for 2.6.11

[Aethon]

Hi,

I'm trying to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 to
2.6.11-amd64-k8. The package installs fine and boots up ok, and even
recognizes my sound card (which the 2.6.8 kernel does not, hence the
reason I'm upgrading). The problem is when I try to install the nvidia
module. I've installed the module for 2.6.8 using module-assistant with
no problem. When I went to do this on 2.6.11 I get a problem running
"module-assistant prepare". It complains that it cannot find the
package kernel-headers-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8. I've search around for the
package on packages.debian.org and can't seem to locate it. So where
can I find this package or something else to resolve this dependancy?

If it is relevant, my /etc/apt/sources.list has
deb http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free

I'm running testing with the occasional package from unstable.

Thanks,

Aethon