Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 03:09:13PM -0500 Douglas Tutty said: Do I need the 3D or other goodies of the nVidia driver or should I just go with the nv? I used the nvidia driver initially while running sarge on the AMD64. I then upgraded to etch and switched to the nv driver. I was using a Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce 6200 PCI-Express card on an ASUS A8N-SLI mainboard. My display worked fine. The mainboard went bad so I had to reinstall - now I'm using the nv driver with etch RC1. I'm using the same card on a GA-K8NF-9. I cannot notice any difference but then, like you, I don't have any need for 3D acceleration and the other swizzly bits. Sam - -- (Sam Varghese) http://www.gnubies.com It is to be remarked that a good many people are born curiously unfitted for the fate waiting them on this earth. My PGP key: http://www.gnubies.com/encryption/sign.txt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFhapbZyXhknb+33gRAtPUAJ4tuKALgVFd1RsS2zIY+iM8FGjRzACdGtEN 4NgCtOtEm1eC5T5bkjrh1/0= =cx0T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On Sun December 17 2006 12:09, Douglas Tutty wrote: I'm running etch amd64 and installing xorg for the first time on this box. I have an Asus 7300GT video board that uses the nVidia GeForce 7300 GT chips. As I understand it (AIUI?), if I use the nv driver I get 2D hardware accel and if I use the nvidia driver (glx, kernel modules, et al) I get 3D accel. I don't do games. I've got a monitor that will do 1600x1280 75 Hz. I want a nice clear image for daily work. Later on (when I get a video capture card), I want to do some light video editing, watching TV, DVDs, etc. Do I need the 3D or other goodies of the nVidia driver or should I just go with the nv? I have an nvidia FX 5700LE. I have never had any problem with the nv driver but I use the m-a built (actually at the moment I'm using the pre-built binaries from testing/unstable) so that games work as expected. If the nv driver is doing what you need done you don't need to upgrade. If your using testing or unstable you may want to install them and see if they make any difference or not. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
IMHO I don't see the point in having a GeForce 7300 GT unless you are at least enabling its power/capabilities. The 2D nv driver is fine but the nvidia driver is better. Sure you have to either compile from sources yourself or run the nvidia sh downloadable install but no more hassle than that. I recently went dual head using a dual DVI AGP 8x XFX GeForce 6800 Xtreme (didn't want to upgrade all hardware) with blah,blah,blah and when I installed the 3D, glxgears reports 10,890 FPS! Can't complain. The 2D is lightning fast. You can always try the 3D install and if you do not like it simply change a few lines in your xorg.conf file and you are back in 2D and no worse for the wear. I am afraid that the clear image you seek will be more a function of the quality of your display unit (CRT?, FPD?) rather than your video adapter or its configuration under xorg. For clarity you want highest resolution, lowest dot pitch, excellent contrast ratio and good brightness. Cheers, Brian -Original Message- From: Douglas Tutty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:09 PM To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org Subject: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv? I'm running etch amd64 and installing xorg for the first time on this box. I have an Asus 7300GT video board that uses the nVidia GeForce 7300 GT chips. As I understand it (AIUI?), if I use the nv driver I get 2D hardware accel and if I use the nvidia driver (glx, kernel modules, et al) I get 3D accel. I don't do games. I've got a monitor that will do 1600x1280 75 Hz. I want a nice clear image for daily work. Later on (when I get a video capture card), I want to do some light video editing, watching TV, DVDs, etc. Do I need the 3D or other goodies of the nVidia driver or should I just go with the nv? Thanks, Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 01:03:38PM -0800, Brian R. Whitecotton wrote: IMHO I don't see the point in having a GeForce 7300 GT unless you are at least enabling its power/capabilities. The 2D nv driver is fine but the nvidia driver is better. Sure you have to either compile from sources yourself or run the nvidia sh downloadable install but no more hassle than that. I recently went dual head using a dual DVI AGP 8x XFX GeForce 6800 Xtreme (didn't want to upgrade all hardware) with blah,blah,blah and when I installed the 3D, glxgears reports 10,890 FPS! Can't complain. The 2D is lightning fast. You can always try the 3D install and if you do not like it simply change a few lines in your xorg.conf file and you are back in 2D and no worse for the wear. I am afraid that the clear image you seek will be more a function of the quality of your display unit (CRT?, FPD?) rather than your video adapter or its configuration under xorg. For clarity you want highest resolution, lowest dot pitch, excellent contrast ratio and good brightness. That's why its a 21 CRT flat screen drafting monitor :-) What is 3D used for other than games? When I get to watching videos, does the nv driver access the hardware decoder? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On Sunday 17 December 2006 21:03, Brian R. Whitecotton wrote: IMHO I don't see the point in having a GeForce 7300 GT unless you are at least enabling its power/capabilities. A 7300GT is a fairly bottom-of-the-line card. It's the cheapest card I've seen that has dual-link DVI connectors (required for big, high resolution monitors). The 2D nv driver is fine but the nvidia driver is better. Your definition of better is very different to mine. The open source does everything I need (high resolution, fast 2d, video). The binary driver doesn't work at all under Xen, and locks up periodically on half my machines. Sure you have to either compile from sources yourself or run the nvidia sh downloadable install That will result in a broken Debian system. Use module-assistant if you need the binary driver. Paul
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 09:31:18PM +, Paul Brook wrote: On Sunday 17 December 2006 21:03, Brian R. Whitecotton wrote: The 2D nv driver is fine but the nvidia driver is better. Your definition of better is very different to mine. The open source does everything I need (high resolution, fast 2d, video). The binary driver doesn't work at all under Xen, and locks up periodically on half my machines. That was my problem too: The nvidia-driver made it possible to play games on my machine, but therefore I had to reinstall my whole debian several times, because it broke my system frequently while playing 3d-games. Since I'm using nv all works perfect and stable - without gameplay, but: who needs them? sigi.
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
I strongly suggest to use nvidia driver, of course no one needs 3D accel (except to play) but the experience is better, if the nvidia driver works for you without flaws use it. And that's true if you don't use 3D or at least xscreensaver-gl use a cheap video card and give that one to a young boy hungry to play 3D-games. Good luck On 12/17/06, Douglas Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running etch amd64 and installing xorg for the first time on this box. I have an Asus 7300GT video board that uses the nVidia GeForce 7300 GT chips. As I understand it (AIUI?), if I use the nv driver I get 2D hardware accel and if I use the nvidia driver (glx, kernel modules, et al) I get 3D accel. I don't do games. I've got a monitor that will do 1600x1280 75 Hz. I want a nice clear image for daily work. Later on (when I get a video capture card), I want to do some light video editing, watching TV, DVDs, etc. Do I need the 3D or other goodies of the nVidia driver or should I just go with the nv? Thanks, Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On 12/17/06, Brian R. Whitecotton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 2D nv driver is fine Last time I tried the nv driver on my 6800 my display was borked due to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6212 which you would have known about had you attempted to use the nv driver with your card. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On 12/17/06 09:31:18PM +, Paul Brook wrote: On Sunday 17 December 2006 21:03, Brian R. Whitecotton wrote: IMHO I don't see the point in having a GeForce 7300 GT unless you are at least enabling its power/capabilities. A 7300GT is a fairly bottom-of-the-line card. It's the cheapest card I've seen that has dual-link DVI connectors (required for big, high resolution monitors). The 2D nv driver is fine but the nvidia driver is better. Your definition of better is very different to mine. The open source does everything I need (high resolution, fast 2d, video). The binary driver doesn't work at all under Xen, and locks up periodically on half my machines. The binary driver works fine under Xen on i386 and people have gotten it to work with the AMD64 Xen kernels on the nvnews.net forums so it is possible. And the last time I tried the OSS nv driver it didn't do Xv at high resolutions[1], the image quality was noticably lower with a 24 bit desktop and it was a lot slower even in the 2D arena; for instance switching desktops would take a second or two with the nv driver but with nvidia it's almost instantaneous. Obviously both drivers will work better or worse on different hardware so neither is a clear winner in all cases and everyone needs to decide on their own which to use. I'm not advocating the use of the closed driver at all, hell it's caused me number of problems on my notebook but on my desktops it's been nearly flawless. And I would be ecstatic if nv or the nouveau driver would get to the point where just their 2D is as good as the binary driver, but right now they lag behind pretty badly IMO. Jim. [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 05:24:31PM -0600, Jaime Ochoa Malag?n wrote: I strongly suggest to use nvidia driver, of course no one needs 3D accel (except to play) but the experience is better, if the nvidia driver works for you without flaws use it. And that's true if you don't use 3D or at least xscreensaver-gl use a cheap video card and give that one to a young boy hungry to play 3D-games. Origionally, I set out to buy a cheap video card on the belief that I couldn't afford one that had the hardware jpeg conversion for watching video (yes I know that in the absence of hardware the software can do it). It turned out that this one was the chapest that my local store could get. It seems to be only missing the full hardware suite (it does some) for HD movies. Do both the nv and nvidia give me that hardware jpeg accelleration? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv?
The closed source nvidia driver, as much as it pains to say it, is better than the open source nv in that it enables the functionality of the Nvidia chipset whereas the nv driver minimizes detrimental impact on an otherwise extremely stable Debian system by limiting how much of the chipset functionality it accesses. If stability is what you want, then us the nv driver and you are pretty much insured a stable but less than optimal performing system. Having said that, the nv performance is probably all you need. As far as hardware mpeg4 (I think that is what you mean rather than jpeg?) acceleration, the nvidia chipsets have native video decoder hardware and my naïve guess is that BOTH the nv and nvidia drivers enable that. Anyone else out there want to confirm or correct. -Original Message- From: Douglas Tutty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:59 PM To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: 2D,3D,nvidia,nv? On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 05:24:31PM -0600, Jaime Ochoa Malag?n wrote: I strongly suggest to use nvidia driver, of course no one needs 3D accel (except to play) but the experience is better, if the nvidia driver works for you without flaws use it. And that's true if you don't use 3D or at least xscreensaver-gl use a cheap video card and give that one to a young boy hungry to play 3D-games. Origionally, I set out to buy a cheap video card on the belief that I couldn't afford one that had the hardware jpeg conversion for watching video (yes I know that in the absence of hardware the software can do it). It turned out that this one was the chapest that my local store could get. It seems to be only missing the full hardware suite (it does some) for HD movies. Do both the nv and nvidia give me that hardware jpeg accelleration? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
