Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
On 1/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 03:28:41PM -0500, Robert Isaac wrote: > > Actually, you should hold off until after June before buying any AMD64 > > CPU. AMD will be releasing a new socket style and the current Socket > > 939 and 754 chips should drop in prices, not sure about the Opterons > > (Socket 940). > > Actually, you should probably hold off buying *any* piece of computing > equipment until you can't do without it, as prices keep going down. > Rare is the day I pay the price they quoted me at my local computer > store, because the price goes down too fast. Funny enough, the Athlon64 prices do not seem to drop very quickly. I bought my 3000+ 939p for 109 Euro a year ago. Now it has been discontinued, but the 3200+ is still quite a bit more expensive. Funny that, because everything else in the PC has dropped in value significantly. I think it took a while for the word to travel that the Athlon64 are indeed a revolution in performance. And AMD certainly made the most out of it, in terms of money :-). I guess future prices will depend a lot on whether the new Intel chips deliver or not. Thomas
Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
On Wednesday 25 January 2006 02:36 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 03:28:41PM -0500, Robert Isaac wrote: > > Actually, you should hold off until after June before buying > > any AMD64 CPU. AMD will be releasing a new socket style and > > the current Socket 939 and 754 chips should drop in prices, not > > sure about the Opterons (Socket 940). > > Actually, you should probably hold off buying *any* piece of > computing equipment until you can't do without it, as prices keep > going down. Rare is the day I pay the price they quoted me at my > local computer store, because the price goes down too fast. > > -- hendrik Like everything else its a judgement call, you can have your cake today, enjoy it for a lot longer. I came over this problem about a week ago, I was going to just get a socket 754 sempron chip, and use it later down the road in a pvr. Almost everything was the same except the cost of the chip, the chip I really needed was over the two hundred dollar mark. As Myth TV likes it cpu power, if your working in 1080p. Sure I could of got something less but then I have heard of people running into problems on 3200, 3400 Athlon 64's. So I really needed a 3700 or better chip. In the end I ended up going for a Opteron 165, and as stated in another thread it only cost me about 60 dollars more than a single core 3700. So for that price it was a good investment, as I know that demand will keep the dual cores prices up for a while until the next big thing. Gnu_Raiz Also whats with all the top posting, it seem's that every other thread has a bunch of top posters? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 03:28:41PM -0500, Robert Isaac wrote: > Actually, you should hold off until after June before buying any AMD64 > CPU. AMD will be releasing a new socket style and the current Socket > 939 and 754 chips should drop in prices, not sure about the Opterons > (Socket 940). Actually, you should probably hold off buying *any* piece of computing equipment until you can't do without it, as prices keep going down. Rare is the day I pay the price they quoted me at my local computer store, because the price goes down too fast. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
Actually, you should hold off until after June before buying any AMD64 CPU. AMD will be releasing a new socket style and the current Socket 939 and 754 chips should drop in prices, not sure about the Opterons (Socket 940). On 1/24/06, Patrick Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all. I'm looking to build a new system for Debian Linux. I'm going > with an AMD64 chip. However, does the Linux AMD 64 kernel support "AMD64", > "AMD64 X2 Dual Core", and "AMD64 FX"? Do they all work with the same AMD64 > build? Thanks for the help! :) >
Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 11:01 schrieb Jo Shields: > Bool wrote: > > On an ASUS A8N-VM (NVidia NForce 410 with GForce 6100), > > I have to use 2.6.14 kernel to have network working. So everything's working now (apart from NCQ I guess)? That's good news, as the chipset still is very new. The CSM variant is a very decent buy as it even sports DVI which makes it possible to have very cheap passively cooled dual-DVI setups! I needed to upgrade to the same kernel version to have sound in my a lot older Xpc ST20G5 which utilizes an ULi southbridge with Azalia sound. But the sound is still messy, so I'll try 2.6.15 soon, we'll see... > That's common to most nForce4 variants - though 2.6.12 can usually be > persuaded to work, with some tweaking. nForce4 isn't a good bet for > linux systems - none of the "extra features" it has over K8T890 work > (the 'hardware firewall' and so on are windows driver-based jobs), so > all it ends up being is more expensive. > > Unless you really *need* the low-end onboard graphics, I suppose. I wouldn't call an NF6150 "low-end" exactly. What VIA and SIS integrate is low-end for sure, but with NF6150 you can even play games if you don't need to play them in 1280x1024 FSAA with all the spanking newest DX9+ features (which isn't available on Linux anyways ;). 2ct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
Bool wrote: On an ASUS A8N-VM (NVidia NForce 410 with GForce 6100), I have to use 2.6.14 kernel to have network working. Jo Shields a écrit : Soenke von Stamm wrote: They all use exactly the same core, give or take some L2 cache, only that X2 and Opteron >= 165 sport two cores, so an SMP-kernel makes a lot of sense there. Same for Turion64, Athlon64, Sempron64, Opteron. Use an AMD64 kernel, with or without smp depending on core count. Depending on the chipset I suggest 2.6.8 for sarge and AMD8000 chipset, for all newer chipsets 2.6.12+ from unstable, for dual core the spanking newest kernel you can get (see older thread below), eg. there's a 2.6.15 kernel in unstable. Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 00:42 schrieb Patrick Carlson: Hello all. I'm looking to build a new system for Debian Linux. I'm going with an AMD64 chip. However, does the Linux AMD 64 kernel support "AMD64", "AMD64 X2 Dual Core", and "AMD64 FX"? Do they all work with the same AMD64 build? Thanks for the help! :) Via K8T890. Cheap, cheerful, supports all current s939 chips, and plays fine with a 2.6.8 kernel. That's common to most nForce4 variants - though 2.6.12 can usually be persuaded to work, with some tweaking. nForce4 isn't a good bet for linux systems - none of the "extra features" it has over K8T890 work (the 'hardware firewall' and so on are windows driver-based jobs), so all it ends up being is more expensive. Unless you really *need* the low-end onboard graphics, I suppose. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
On an ASUS A8N-VM (NVidia NForce 410 with GForce 6100), I have to use 2.6.14 kernel to have network working. Jo Shields a écrit : Soenke von Stamm wrote: They all use exactly the same core, give or take some L2 cache, only that X2 and Opteron >= 165 sport two cores, so an SMP-kernel makes a lot of sense there. Same for Turion64, Athlon64, Sempron64, Opteron. Use an AMD64 kernel, with or without smp depending on core count. Depending on the chipset I suggest 2.6.8 for sarge and AMD8000 chipset, for all newer chipsets 2.6.12+ from unstable, for dual core the spanking newest kernel you can get (see older thread below), eg. there's a 2.6.15 kernel in unstable. Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 00:42 schrieb Patrick Carlson: Hello all. I'm looking to build a new system for Debian Linux. I'm going with an AMD64 chip. However, does the Linux AMD 64 kernel support "AMD64", "AMD64 X2 Dual Core", and "AMD64 FX"? Do they all work with the same AMD64 build? Thanks for the help! :) Via K8T890. Cheap, cheerful, supports all current s939 chips, and plays fine with a 2.6.8 kernel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
Soenke von Stamm wrote: They all use exactly the same core, give or take some L2 cache, only that X2 and Opteron >= 165 sport two cores, so an SMP-kernel makes a lot of sense there. Same for Turion64, Athlon64, Sempron64, Opteron. Use an AMD64 kernel, with or without smp depending on core count. Depending on the chipset I suggest 2.6.8 for sarge and AMD8000 chipset, for all newer chipsets 2.6.12+ from unstable, for dual core the spanking newest kernel you can get (see older thread below), eg. there's a 2.6.15 kernel in unstable. Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 00:42 schrieb Patrick Carlson: Hello all. I'm looking to build a new system for Debian Linux. I'm going with an AMD64 chip. However, does the Linux AMD 64 kernel support "AMD64", "AMD64 X2 Dual Core", and "AMD64 FX"? Do they all work with the same AMD64 build? Thanks for the help! :) Via K8T890. Cheap, cheerful, supports all current s939 chips, and plays fine with a 2.6.8 kernel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
They all use exactly the same core, give or take some L2 cache, only that X2 and Opteron >= 165 sport two cores, so an SMP-kernel makes a lot of sense there. Same for Turion64, Athlon64, Sempron64, Opteron. Use an AMD64 kernel, with or without smp depending on core count. Depending on the chipset I suggest 2.6.8 for sarge and AMD8000 chipset, for all newer chipsets 2.6.12+ from unstable, for dual core the spanking newest kernel you can get (see older thread below), eg. there's a 2.6.15 kernel in unstable. Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 00:42 schrieb Patrick Carlson: > Hello all. I'm looking to build a new system for Debian Linux. I'm going > with an AMD64 chip. However, does the Linux AMD 64 kernel support "AMD64", > "AMD64 X2 Dual Core", and "AMD64 FX"? Do they all work with the same AMD64 > build? Thanks for the help! :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
i was going to, and then i decided the $500 difference was better left on my credi card ;) Dean Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: I mean about a debian in a FX machine... On 1/24/06, Dean Hamstead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the FX chip is the gaming model or something its a little faster and costs a lot more it would outperform a dual core on single threaded things (ie games) Dean Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: The short anwer is Yes and Opteron too, although I don't see any text about an FX chip. On 1/24/06, Patrick Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello all. I'm looking to build a new system for Debian Linux. I'm going with an AMD64 chip. However, does the Linux AMD 64 kernel support "AMD64", "AMD64 X2 Dual Core", and "AMD64 FX"? Do they all work with the same AMD64 build? Thanks for the help! :) -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10 -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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the FX chip is the gaming model or something its a little faster and costs a lot more it would outperform a dual core on single threaded things (ie games) Dean Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: The short anwer is Yes and Opteron too, although I don't see any text about an FX chip. On 1/24/06, Patrick Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello all. I'm looking to build a new system for Debian Linux. I'm going with an AMD64 chip. However, does the Linux AMD 64 kernel support "AMD64", "AMD64 X2 Dual Core", and "AMD64 FX"? Do they all work with the same AMD64 build? Thanks for the help! :) -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
The short anwer is Yes and Opteron too, although I don't see any text about an FX chip. On 1/24/06, Patrick Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all. I'm looking to build a new system for Debian Linux. I'm going > with an AMD64 chip. However, does the Linux AMD 64 kernel support "AMD64", > "AMD64 X2 Dual Core", and "AMD64 FX"? Do they all work with the same AMD64 > build? Thanks for the help! :) > -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
