Re: AMD64 small form factor

2005-03-07 Thread Manuele Rampazzo
Guillaume Laurès wrote:
Le 6 mars 05, à 00:39, Morten Bo Johansen a écrit :
Seagate Sata 120 GB sata150 7200.7 Rpm / NCQ disk on the first
sata contoller.
It seems we are several people stuck with Seagate SATA disks on nforce3.
I don't know if Manuele and Zsolt made some progress, but as for me I'm 
stuck as you are.
I'm sorry, but I've got Maxtor disks, not Seagate ones :-)
BTW, no progresses with my problem :-( I hadn't time to check my disks 
with the (proprietary) diagnostic tool from Maxtor, it seems not 
compatible with nforce3-250 and I need to find another motherboard :-O

Cya,
Manu
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Re: AMD64 small form factor

2005-03-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 08:49:31PM +0100, Manuele Rampazzo wrote:
 I'm sorry, but I've got Maxtor disks, not Seagate ones :-)
 
 BTW, no progresses with my problem :-( I hadn't time to check my disks 
 with the (proprietary) diagnostic tool from Maxtor, it seems not 
 compatible with nforce3-250 and I need to find another motherboard :-O

Make sure the SATA controller is in native mode, since in my experience
setting it to emulate PATA (for use with dos and windows installers)
makes it not work with Linux SATA drivers.

Just worth checking.

Some have enhanced, combined, compatible, etc as settings for SATA.  I
think enhanced is native mode in that case.

Len Sorensen


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Re: AMD64 small form factor

2005-03-06 Thread Guillaume Laurès
Le 6 mars 05, à 00:39, Morten Bo Johansen a écrit :
Dale E. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I installed my SN95G5 with very few problems.  (During the CD part of 
the
It is a little strange that it works for you and not for me.
Maybe the difference lies in the brand of harddisk? I have a
Seagate Sata 120 GB sata150 7200.7 Rpm / NCQ disk on the first
sata contoller.
It seems we are several people stuck with Seagate SATA disks on nforce3.
I don't know if Manuele and Zsolt made some progress, but as for me I'm 
stuck as you are.
Exactly the same symptoms. I reported on 02/16 to 
linux-ide@vger.kernel.org with some interesting tests but got no 
reaction.

I'll try compilling the module in to see if it behaves better. There 
might be an issue with hotplug (if I manage to use the sata disk very 
quick after booting from pata it works, if I stop using it after some 
time it spins down and then is unusable)

Thanks for the tip,
GoM
I tried gentoo and compiled my own kernel. I compiled the
sata_nv drier statically into the kernel and then there is no
problem.
Morten
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Re: AMD64 small form factor

2005-03-05 Thread Morten Bo Johansen
Alex Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (1)  Does anybody have experience of Debian/Sid/AMD64 _not_ working on 
 the Shuttle SN85 or SN95 motherboards - that are in their XPC units ?

Yes, I have a SN95G5 and I have had no luck in installing any
of the iso images distributed on alioth. It is the sata
controller which is the stumbling block, the controller is
recognized, but the disk attached to it is not. It does work
with Ubuntu though, so it is not that the hardware as such is
not supported under Linux. Hopefully it will be solved before
too long. I don't think that my problems should deter you from
getting such a machine - it is really a very nice - and very
powerful - little box.


Morten



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Re: AMD64 small form factor

2005-03-05 Thread Alex Perry
Alex Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(1)  Does anybody have experience of Debian/Sid/AMD64 _not_ working on 
the Shuttle SN85 or SN95 motherboards - that are in their XPC units ?
Morten Bo Johansen wrote:
Yes, I have a SN95G5 and I have had no luck in installing any
of the iso images distributed on alioth. It is the sata
controller which is the stumbling block, the controller is
recognized, but the disk attached to it is not. It does work
with Ubuntu though, so it is not that the hardware as such is
not supported under Linux. Hopefully it will be solved before
too long. I don't think that my problems should deter you from
getting such a machine - it is really a very nice - and very
powerful - little box.
Thank you.  That's very useful to know.  Did you try stock kernel.org ?

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Re: AMD64 small form factor

2005-03-05 Thread Dale E. Martin
 Yes, I have a SN95G5 and I have had no luck in installing any of the iso
 images distributed on alioth. It is the sata controller which is the
 stumbling block, the controller is recognized, but the disk attached to
 it is not. It does work with Ubuntu though, so it is not that the
 hardware as such is not supported under Linux. Hopefully it will be
 solved before too long. I don't think that my problems should deter you
 from getting such a machine - it is really a very nice - and very
 powerful - little box.

I installed my SN95G5 with very few problems.  (During the CD part of the
install the network card did not work, once I was running from the disk it
was fine.)  I'm writing this message on it right now (albeit from the x86
port - I sometimes run amd64 on it as well.)  I had to jump through some
minor hoops to get xfs working, too.

Look at this message for the version of the installer I used:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/02/msg00015.html

Take care,
 Dale
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Re: AMD64 small form factor

2005-03-05 Thread Morten Bo Johansen
Dale E. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I installed my SN95G5 with very few problems.  (During the CD part of the
 install the network card did not work, once I was running from the disk it
 was fine.)  I'm writing this message on it right now (albeit from the x86
 port - I sometimes run amd64 on it as well.)  I had to jump through some
 minor hoops to get xfs working, too.

 Look at this message for the version of the installer I used:
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/02/msg00015.html

Yes, it was the me you replied to in the thread mentioned above
and I did try this image, but same problem: it gets to the
point of loading the sata_nv driver and then it stalls for
about 30 secs. Continuing with the installation just results in
the disk not being detected. 

I have tried around 20 images over the last month or so and
they all have the same problem. Just tried the latest
monolithic iso from March 5, same problem.

It is a little strange that it works for you and not for me.
Maybe the difference lies in the brand of harddisk? I have a
Seagate Sata 120 GB sata150 7200.7 Rpm / NCQ disk on the first
sata contoller.

I tried gentoo and compiled my own kernel. I compiled the
sata_nv drier statically into the kernel and then there is no
problem.


Morten


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Re: AMD64 small form factor

2005-03-05 Thread Dale E. Martin
 Yes, it was the me you replied to in the thread mentioned above and I did
 try this image, but same problem: it gets to the point of loading the
 sata_nv driver and then it stalls for about 30 secs. Continuing with the
 installation just results in the disk not being detected.

OK, that is weird.

 I have tried around 20 images over the last month or so and they all have
 the same problem. Just tried the latest monolithic iso from March 5, same
 problem.
 
That stinks :-(  (You knew that though!)

 It is a little strange that it works for you and not for me.  Maybe the
 difference lies in the brand of harddisk? I have a Seagate Sata 120 GB
 sata150 7200.7 Rpm / NCQ disk on the first sata contoller.
 
I have a Hitachi 250G Deskstar SATA on the first controller.  I have an NEC
dual layer DVD burner on the second PATA controller (and nothing on the
first) - I have no idea if that makes a difference.

 I tried gentoo and compiled my own kernel. I compiled the sata_nv drier
 statically into the kernel and then there is no problem.

I wonder if doing a Debian from Scratch kind of install would work?
http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/

You could at least see if that kernel supports your disk/controller.  (It
worked on my machine well enough to reinstall grub after another OS decided
to rewrite my boot sector.)  Otherwise I guess you could look at using your
working kernel with debian-installer.  It's been a long time since I tried
to do anything like that but I don't recall it being too hard.  This was
probably with a boot floppy (as opposed to a CD) but it seems like it would
be a similar process...

Take care,
 Dale
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Re: AMD64 small form factor

2005-03-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 19:25 -0800, Alex Perry wrote:
 (1)  Does anybody have experience of Debian/Sid/AMD64 _not_ working on 
 the Shuttle SN85 or SN95 motherboards - that are in their XPC units ?
 
 (2)  Does anybody know of an Athlon64 motherboard that is mini-ITX, or 
 preferably the smaller 5 inch form factor, for embedded applications ?

Embedded?  That's gonna be really hot.

The Athlon M(obile), which, AFAICT, is pin compatible with the 
AthlonXP, generates a *lot* less heat than the others, and would
be very good in an embedded system.

Out of curiosity, and if you can tell us, why do you need all that
A64 juice in a SFF?

 (3)  If there is something out there, maybe not yet a product but for 
 which at least three prototypes are expected to be available by August, 
 I'd be interested in receiving an unsolicited NDA document in the mail.

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