Re: Debian vs Ubuntu for Enterprise Production Servers
Am 2006-11-17 09:58:47, schrieb GNU Linux: > Hello all, > > I'm not creating a flame war here but I just want to get suggestions > especially from those who administers enterprise production servers. I > am still confused on what to use in the future. Can you list some pros > and cons on using either of the two distributions? Let's base the > comparison between the Dapper Drake LTS and probably the next stable > release for Debian which is Etch. Also, I am more particular with an > AMD64 architecture. Ubuntu is mainly unstable and can create many problems on productions systems like servers. I never trust them! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian vs Ubuntu for Enterprise Production Servers
On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 09:12 +0530, Erle Pereira wrote: > > I use Debian almost exclusively on all the servers I control. > Personally I think it comes to a question of choice. Hello Erle, Yes. I will stick on Debian already. Thank you for your suggestions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian vs Ubuntu for Enterprise Production Servers
On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 09:53 -0500, Robert Isaac wrote: > > Really the decision on this comes down to what is truly important, > server uptime which means more productivity. Everyone knows what > Debian stability is, has anyone experienced this sort of stability > from Ubuntu in any of their distributions, because I haven't. > > If you want a rock solid server _without_ the annoyances of what is > essentially a testing distribution on your server, Debian is the way > to go. If you want the psychological umbrella of corporate support > which only means anything to the executives, then go with Ubuntu. Hello Robert, I am already convinced. I should stick with Debian. Thank you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian vs Ubuntu for Enterprise Production Servers
On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 07:59 -0500, Igor TAmara wrote: > > If the enterprises you are working for are willing to pay for extra > support or Ubuntu want to get money on bussiness like RedHat did in the > past or maybe someday there is a trade between Microsoft and Ubuntu to > make people pay royalties like is happening now with Suse(Novell), > or even Ubuntu could be bought by Microsoft as happened in the past with > Caldera(SCO), you'll stick with Ubuntu, if you want the servers remain > free, Debian would be the way. > > In the future if Novell+Ms. decide to start bothering other linux > distros, Debian could survive with another BSD or Hurd kernel. > > If Debian disappears someday(hope never happens), Ubuntu and other > descendants will be in real troubles, if Ubuntu disappears, Debian won't > be affected I guess. Thank you for your suggestions. I think I should stick with Debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian vs Ubuntu for Enterprise Production Servers
On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 19:05 +, Justin Catterall wrote: > > IMO Ubuntu is, compared to Debian, a *very* new distro. Debian is > going nowhere, only time will tell the future of Ubuntu. Debian has > so many people working on it and while you could argue that those > same people are working on Ubuntu too, if the (relatively) few who > are maintaining Ubuntu decide to do something else you could find > yourself having to migrate a server. > > Debian is just too huge - and this does mean development can be slow > compared with other distros - but if you're maintaining a server then > stability is what you want and it is rare you need support for the > latest and greatest hardware. > > I'm sticking with Debian - though one solutions provider we've used > at work has insisted the OS on the machine they've provided is RH, > I'm not happy about it, but, if it falls over, it's their problem > anyway. Hello Justin, Thank you for your comments and suggestions. You're right. I will really have to stick with Debian and it already existed for years. While Ubuntu is new to the community, their server edition is just new and nobody knows what will come out in the following years. Thank you once again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian vs Ubuntu for Enterprise Production Servers
On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 11:30 +0100, A J Stiles wrote: > > Simple answer: If you've already used Debian and are comfortable with using > the command line and a text editor, stick with Debian. If you don't mind the > GNOME desktop, try Ubuntu. It's just Debian underneath anyway. I administers GNU/Linux servers but based on RPM distributions, all of them without X. So, it's not a question if I'm comfortable of a server with X or not. I'm new to a Debian based distributions but I don't see any big difference with the RPM based distributions. My only concern is on what distribution shall I stick to for servers, Debian or Ubuntu. Please take note that Ubuntu Dapper Drake LTS has a 5 year security support and you can even install it without X at all. Thank you for your suggestions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian vs Ubuntu for Enterprise Production Servers
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 09:53:46AM -0500, Robert Isaac wrote: > On 11/17/06, Igor TAmara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hi, > >Marvin> Hello all, > >Marvin> > >Marvin> I'm not creating a flame war here but I just want to get > >suggestions > >Marvin> especially from those who administers enterprise production > >servers. I > >Marvin> am still confused on what to use in the future. Can you list some > >pros > >Marvin> and cons on using either of the two distributions? Let's base the > >Marvin> comparison between the Dapper Drake LTS and probably the next > >stable > >Marvin> release for Debian which is Etch. Also, I am more particular with > >an > >Marvin> AMD64 architecture. > >Marvin> > > > >If the enterprises you are working for are willing to pay for extra > >support or Ubuntu want to get money on bussiness like RedHat did in the > >past or maybe someday there is a trade between Microsoft and Ubuntu to > >make people pay royalties like is happening now with Suse(Novell), > >or even Ubuntu could be bought by Microsoft as happened in the past with > >Caldera(SCO), you'll stick with Ubuntu, if you want the servers remain > >free, Debian would be the way. > > I don't see the worlds first space tourist selling out to Microsoft > anytime soon. > > Really the decision on this comes down to what is truly important, > server uptime which means more productivity. Everyone knows what > Debian stability is, has anyone experienced this sort of stability > from Ubuntu in any of their distributions, because I haven't. > > If you want a rock solid server _without_ the annoyances of what is > essentially a testing distribution on your server, Debian is the way > to go. If you want the psychological umbrella of corporate support > which only means anything to the executives, then go with Ubuntu. I am a debian lover as well. But I think it always comes down to horses for courses. Some companies want to know they can knock on somebody else's door if something goes wrong. You get that with Redhat and Suse (and ubuntu ? not sure about their support contract). If I as admining at a place i would recommend debian, very stable, alot of telco equipment/systems are built on debian. But as a manager, I got to ask myself where am I going to be able to get support when the current admin leaves or when I want to expand, or if I have a problem that the current admin can't handle! Plus with the proper change management dev -> testing -> production, you should not see any major problems in production, especially if you have done thorough testing. So i think in a medium -> large -> enterprise business the choices is really redhat or suse. For small or very specialised organisations the choice is much broader > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian vs Ubuntu for Enterprise Production Servers
On 11/17/06, Igor TAmara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Marvin> Hello all, Marvin> Marvin> I'm not creating a flame war here but I just want to get suggestions Marvin> especially from those who administers enterprise production servers. I Marvin> am still confused on what to use in the future. Can you list some pros Marvin> and cons on using either of the two distributions? Let's base the Marvin> comparison between the Dapper Drake LTS and probably the next stable Marvin> release for Debian which is Etch. Also, I am more particular with an Marvin> AMD64 architecture. Marvin> If the enterprises you are working for are willing to pay for extra support or Ubuntu want to get money on bussiness like RedHat did in the past or maybe someday there is a trade between Microsoft and Ubuntu to make people pay royalties like is happening now with Suse(Novell), or even Ubuntu could be bought by Microsoft as happened in the past with Caldera(SCO), you'll stick with Ubuntu, if you want the servers remain free, Debian would be the way. I don't see the worlds first space tourist selling out to Microsoft anytime soon. Really the decision on this comes down to what is truly important, server uptime which means more productivity. Everyone knows what Debian stability is, has anyone experienced this sort of stability from Ubuntu in any of their distributions, because I haven't. If you want a rock solid server _without_ the annoyances of what is essentially a testing distribution on your server, Debian is the way to go. If you want the psychological umbrella of corporate support which only means anything to the executives, then go with Ubuntu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian vs Ubuntu for Enterprise Production Servers
Hi, Marvin> Hello all, Marvin> Marvin> I'm not creating a flame war here but I just want to get suggestions Marvin> especially from those who administers enterprise production servers. I Marvin> am still confused on what to use in the future. Can you list some pros Marvin> and cons on using either of the two distributions? Let's base the Marvin> comparison between the Dapper Drake LTS and probably the next stable Marvin> release for Debian which is Etch. Also, I am more particular with an Marvin> AMD64 architecture. Marvin> If the enterprises you are working for are willing to pay for extra support or Ubuntu want to get money on bussiness like RedHat did in the past or maybe someday there is a trade between Microsoft and Ubuntu to make people pay royalties like is happening now with Suse(Novell), or even Ubuntu could be bought by Microsoft as happened in the past with Caldera(SCO), you'll stick with Ubuntu, if you want the servers remain free, Debian would be the way. In the future if Novell+Ms. decide to start bothering other linux distros, Debian could survive with another BSD or Hurd kernel. If Debian disappears someday(hope never happens), Ubuntu and other descendants will be in real troubles, if Ubuntu disappears, Debian won't be affected I guess. Marvin> Thank you. Marvin> I really want to thank the DD for the quality of things that they have achieved and I can enjoy. Marvin> Marvin> -- Marvin> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marvin> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marvin> -- Recomiendo Postgresql, el sistema manejador de bases de datos http://www.postgresql.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian vs Ubuntu for Enterprise Production Servers
I've mainly stuck with Debian as I've figured my way around it, having been using it since slink, and experimenting more since potato going to sid at some stage during this period. However I did try out Ubuntu once or twice when KDE 3.5 was yet to hit sid and was a bit disappointed that a few issues crept into the stable release, kmail having no pgp support compiled in, the problem was fixed pretty quickly though. A friend of mine also had the apt.sources for breezy on a clean install of Dapper which caused a bit of confusion till I helped him figure out what was happening. These issues would make me personally lean toward Debian for a server install, but I'm already pretty biased. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian vs Ubuntu for Enterprise Production Servers
On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 09:53 +0800, Marvin T. Pascual wrote: > I'm not creating a flame war here but I just want to get suggestions > especially from those who administers enterprise production servers. I > am still confused on what to use in the future. Can you list some pros > and cons on using either of the two distributions? Let's base the > comparison between the Dapper Drake LTS and probably the next stable > release for Debian which is Etch. Also, I am more particular with an > AMD64 architecture. I use Debian almost exclusively on all the servers I control. Personally I think it comes to a question of choice. As Regards AMD64 I am putting up a couple of AMD64 Database servers in a few months, Etch will probably go on those. Dapper Drake Im sure might do it as well, but personally, I have no reason to change away from Debian, never found the need too. BTW: Etch will probably be more Recent once released than Dapper Drake (6.06 right?) It was released in June.. ... a good chance here to thank the Entire Debian team (Especially the AMD64 teams..), for an Excellent job -- with best regards, Erle Pereira, Systems Consultant web: http://www.erlepereira.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
