Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 07:54:39PM -0600, Karl Schmidt wrote: I made the module with out any problem with m-a. I seem to have all the same versions except for nvidia-glx wajig list nvidia ii nvidia-glx1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-amd64 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18-7 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18 ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-3-amd64 169.07-2+2.6.22-6 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.22 ii nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1-0.1 NVIDIA binary kernel module common files ii nvidia-kernel-source 169.07-2NVIDIA binary kernel module source ii nvidia-settings 1.0+20060516-3 Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driv ii nvidia-xconfig1.0+20070502-1 The NVIDIA X Configuration Tool I now think nvidia-glx is the problem: The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.07 but it is not installable nvidia-kernel-169.07 SHOULD be provided by your nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-3-amd64 169.07-2+2.6.22-6 package above. Depends: xserver-xorg-core (= 2:1.4) but 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 is to be installed This on the other hand needs updating. You need version 1.4 not version 1.3 of the xserver-xorg-core to use the nvidia-glx driver from version 169.07 How did you get nvidia-glx to install (or can I turn it off?) nvidia-glx is the driver for X that talks to the kernel module. The kernel module is useless without the matching driver. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
Stephen Cormier wrote: It is definitely the problem you won't get it to install unless you rebuild the package source Which package source? please email me the corrected package - what ever it is (BTW there are ways to force installation - wouldn't that work?) having modified it so that it will install with the X version being 2:1.3 I have: wajig list xorg ii xorg1:7.2-5 X.Org X Window System ii xserver-xorg1:7.2-5 the X.Org X server ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 X.Org X server -- core server I think you are referring to the version of xserver-xorg-core ? as I mentioned in my first mail and yes you need the -glx package installed as well. If you do not want to rebuild the packages as I mentioned in my previous mail I have them here and can send them to you so you can get it installed. Please send me the packages you think I need. (Thanks in advance!) You would only need to remove the currently installed ones install the source .deb I send you build/install the binary module then install the -glx and you are good to go. Stephen Did you send the patch to the package maintainer? Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Misdirection is the key to being a good magician. Magicians tell you they are doing something while they do something quite different; much like politicians -- except we can afford magicians. -KPS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 12:56:46PM -0600, Karl Schmidt wrote: Which package source? please email me the corrected package - what ever it is (BTW there are ways to force installation - wouldn't that work?) Using force pretty much always leaves you with a broken dependancy set which will have to be fixed before you can install or upgrade anything else. So yes it might make the package be installed, but it won't leave things working properly. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
On January 22, 2008 04:07:58 pm Stephen Cormier wrote: On January 22, 2008 02:56:46 pm Karl Schmidt wrote: Stephen Cormier wrote: It is definitely the problem you won't get it to install unless you rebuild the package source Which package source? please email me the corrected package - what ever it is (BTW there are ways to force installation - wouldn't that work?) The package needing to be downloaded is nvidia-kernel-source with something like this apt-get source nvidia-kernel-source as normal user this after having made a new directory and changed into it as the source package is downloaded into the current directory where the command is run from. I would not force it installing it will probably just break your install until you upgraded to the newer X. having modified it so that it will install with the X version being 2:1.3 I have: wajig list xorg ii xorg1:7.2-5 X.Org X Window System ii xserver-xorg1:7.2-5 the X.Org X server ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 X.Org X server -- core server I think you are referring to the version of xserver-xorg-core ? Yes I am referring to that version we have identical packages installed for these. apt-cache policy xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xorg: Installed: 1:7.2-5 Candidate: 1:7.2-5 Version table: 1:7.3+10 0 600 http://ftp.de.debian.org sid/main Packages *** 1:7.2-5 0 990 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status xserver-xorg: Installed: 1:7.2-5 Candidate: 1:7.2-5 Version table: 1:7.3+10 0 600 http://ftp.de.debian.org sid/main Packages *** 1:7.2-5 0 990 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status xserver-xorg-core: Installed: 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 Candidate: 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 Version table: 2:1.4.1~git20080118-1 0 600 http://ftp.de.debian.org sid/main Packages *** 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 0 990 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status as I mentioned in my first mail and yes you need the -glx package installed as well. If you do not want to rebuild the packages as I mentioned in my previous mail I have them here and can send them to you so you can get it installed. Please send me the packages you think I need. (Thanks in advance!) Done you should be getting four emails with a package attached to each. You would only need to remove the currently installed ones install the source .deb I send you build/install the binary module then install the -glx and you are good to go. Stephen Did you send the patch to the package maintainer? Wouldn't be much of a patch it is only changing a single digit in the nvidia-glx section of the control file, it would probably be just be classified as a wishlist bug and not fixed anyways. PS: No need to CC me I read the list, thanks. Stephen Oh also if your board is like mine and you get the fan running at 100% with this driver installed then install the nvclock program and use nvclock -f -F 50 as normal user to lower it to 50% or you can go lower with the number if you wish. Stephen -- GPG Public Key: http://users.eastlink.ca/~stephencormier/publickey.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
Karl Schmidt wrote: I think I shouldn't have updated to lenny -- I can't get nvidia working and I need it for a dual head setup (I don't think the nv driver can do this). Not sure which way to go from here: * Use the nvidia supplied drivers? (I've never done this) * Is there a way to use the etch drivers? * Get Some other card that has an open driver that supports dual head display? Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 If man's brain was simple enough for us to understand, we would be too simple to understand it. I have not been following this thread completely, but I am at a loss. Why not just follow these directions: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-ba6a83e61cea90c0e3e5e9d7b014618e35f65ec3 This has always just worked for me. Most notable is the first method. With out fail, it just worked. Of course, setting up dual head monitor takes some tweaking of your xorg. conf file but you can always try nvidia-settings or nvidia-xconfig and see if they can find the correct settings for you. If this has been covered, please excuse the repost. HTH -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
The versions abobe 100.14.09 must use Xorg7.3 and higher, due to a new ABI in the Nvidia drivers. 100.14.19 builds and works fine on Etch as did 100.14.09. Only the debian package requires Xorg = 7.3 which can easily be changed by lowering the version numbers in the debian/control.in file in the source package available from Sid. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
On January 20, 2008 11:53:33 pm Karl Schmidt wrote: Stephen Cormier wrote: HappyTux:/# uname -r 2.6.23 This seems to be where I have lost the trail. I have: # uname -a Linux singapore 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Nov 4 18:18:09 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux And; I don't see a 2.6.23 kernel to install? Where did you get it? I built it myself from the kernel.org sources but I doubt that the .22 kernel would be a problem with the newer (169...) driver, although the latest nvidia I ran on my .22 kernel was the 100.14.11. I have the packages for those still laying around as well so if you want you can try both if your email address will accept attachments of around 5mb for the largest of the files. Stephen -- GPG Public Key: http://users.eastlink.ca/~stephencormier/publickey.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
Stephen Cormier wrote: I have the packages for those still laying around as well so if you want you can try both if your email address will accept attachments of around 5mb for the largest of the files. Stephen I made the module with out any problem with m-a. I seem to have all the same versions except for nvidia-glx wajig list nvidia ii nvidia-glx1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-amd64 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18-7 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18 ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-3-amd64 169.07-2+2.6.22-6 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.22 ii nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1-0.1 NVIDIA binary kernel module common files ii nvidia-kernel-source 169.07-2NVIDIA binary kernel module source ii nvidia-settings 1.0+20060516-3 Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driv ii nvidia-xconfig1.0+20070502-1 The NVIDIA X Configuration Tool I now think nvidia-glx is the problem: The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.07 but it is not installable Depends: xserver-xorg-core (= 2:1.4) but 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 is to be installed How did you get nvidia-glx to install (or can I turn it off?) Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
On January 21, 2008 09:54:39 pm Karl Schmidt wrote: Stephen Cormier wrote: I have the packages for those still laying around as well so if you want you can try both if your email address will accept attachments of around 5mb for the largest of the files. Stephen I made the module with out any problem with m-a. I seem to have all the same versions except for nvidia-glx wajig list nvidia ii nvidia-glx1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-amd64 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18-7 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18 ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-3-amd64 169.07-2+2.6.22-6 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.22 ii nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1-0.1 NVIDIA binary kernel module common files ii nvidia-kernel-source 169.07-2NVIDIA binary kernel module source ii nvidia-settings 1.0+20060516-3 Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driv ii nvidia-xconfig1.0+20070502-1 The NVIDIA X Configuration Tool I now think nvidia-glx is the problem: The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.07 but it is not installable Depends: xserver-xorg-core (= 2:1.4) but 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 is to be installed How did you get nvidia-glx to install (or can I turn it off?) It is definitely the problem you won't get it to install unless you rebuild the package source having modified it so that it will install with the X version being 2:1.3 as I mentioned in my first mail and yes you need the -glx package installed as well. If you do not want to rebuild the packages as I mentioned in my previous mail I have them here and can send them to you so you can get it installed. You would only need to remove the currently installed ones install the source .deb I send you build/install the binary module then install the -glx and you are good to go. Stephen -- GPG Public Key: http://users.eastlink.ca/~stephencormier/publickey.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
Am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008 schrieb Karl Schmidt: I think I shouldn't have updated to lenny -- I can't get nvidia working and I need it for a dual head setup (I don't think the nv driver can do this). Not sure which way to go from here: * Use the nvidia supplied drivers? (I've never done this) * Is there a way to use the etch drivers? * Get Some other card that has an open driver that supports dual head display? Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 If man's brain was simple enough for us to understand, we would be too simple to understand it. Hi ! To get the newest NVidia-packages installed and built, you can follow these steps: 1. delete all /usr/src/modules/nv* 2. delete /usr/src/nvidia-source*.tgz 3. delete all formerly built packages (i.e. nvidia-kernel-bla***.deb) 4. deinstall nvidia-source and reinstall the new nvidia-source 5. start module-assistant and choose nvidia-kernel and let it build and install 6. apt-get update, apt-get upgrade let you now install the newest package nvidia-glx 7. update all xserver-xorg* packages. 8. Have fun ! The latest version (167.07) is running stable ! Good luck ! Hans-J. Ullrich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 08:59:37PM -0600, Karl Schmidt wrote: I think I shouldn't have updated to lenny -- I can't get nvidia working and I need it for a dual head setup (I don't think the nv driver can do this). Not sure which way to go from here: * Use the nvidia supplied drivers? (I've never done this) * Is there a way to use the etch drivers? * Get Some other card that has an open driver that supports dual head display? Usually I find the unstable nvidia drivers will install fine on testing, at least most of the time. The stable drivers often not install due to updated libraries and X server versions and such. Unfortunately non-free stuff never seems to move to testing in anything resembling a timely manner. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 05:21:59PM +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: 1. delete all /usr/src/modules/nv* Fine. 2. delete /usr/src/nvidia-source*.tgz Deleting file beloging to packages is generally a bad plan. Don't do that. 3. delete all formerly built packages (i.e. nvidia-kernel-bla***.deb) Helps to clean up, although not really essential. 4. deinstall nvidia-source and reinstall the new nvidia-source This of course deletes the /usr/src/nvidia*tgz stuff for you since it actually owns that file. 5. start module-assistant and choose nvidia-kernel and let it build and install Except the current driver in unstable doesn't get along with module-assistant due to a wrong filename. A symlink or some manual intervention helps. I just manually do: cd /usr/src;tar xjf nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 then run: m-a a-i -t nvidia-kernel 6. apt-get update, apt-get upgrade let you now install the newest package nvidia-glx 7. update all xserver-xorg* packages. 8. Have fun ! That usually works yes. The latest version (167.07) is running stable ! Once you get it installed it does work well. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Hi ! To get the newest NVidia-packages installed and built, you can follow these steps: 1. delete all /usr/src/modules/nv* 2. delete /usr/src/nvidia-source*.tgz 3. delete all formerly built packages (i.e. nvidia-kernel-bla***.deb) 4. deinstall nvidia-source and reinstall the new nvidia-source 5. start module-assistant and choose nvidia-kernel and let it build and install 6. apt-get update, apt-get upgrade let you now install the newest package nvidia-glx 7. update all xserver-xorg* packages. 8. Have fun ! The latest version (167.07) is running stable ! Good luck ! Hans-J. Ullrich That didn't work for me - I got every thing compiled and installed - verified that the nvidia driver was loaded, but xorg could not see it and errors out. I think it is a version thing - or something to do with AMD64. If someone has this working under lenny and could list the following: * kernel version running * versions of all the nvidia packages * version of xorg This way I'm comparing apples to apples. Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Cry a river, build a bridge, get over it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
Am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008 schrieb Karl Schmidt: Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Hi ! To get the newest NVidia-packages installed and built, you can follow these steps: 1. delete all /usr/src/modules/nv* 2. delete /usr/src/nvidia-source*.tgz 3. delete all formerly built packages (i.e. nvidia-kernel-bla***.deb) 4. deinstall nvidia-source and reinstall the new nvidia-source 5. start module-assistant and choose nvidia-kernel and let it build and install 6. apt-get update, apt-get upgrade let you now install the newest package nvidia-glx 7. update all xserver-xorg* packages. 8. Have fun ! The latest version (167.07) is running stable ! Good luck ! Hans-J. Ullrich That didn't work for me - I got every thing compiled and installed - verified that the nvidia driver was loaded, but xorg could not see it and errors out. I think it is a version thing - or something to do with AMD64. If someone has this working under lenny and could list the following: * kernel version running * versions of all the nvidia packages * version of xorg This way I'm comparing apples to apples. Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Cry a river, build a bridge, get over it. Hi Karl, I am running Debian sid. Maybe you could start without kdm or gdm (just move /etc/init.d/kdm somewhere else), and stop it. If they are no running, you can start X with the command startx. The advantage is, you can see in stdout, what is not working, and why it is not working. Often this is helping to find reasons, why X will not start. The versions abobe 100.14.09 must use Xorg7.3 and higher, due to a new ABI in the Nvidia drivers. Just take care, nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx are the versions, which belong together. Sometimes it is necessary, to unload and load the nvidia-kernel module manually. Good luck ! Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
On January 20, 2008 09:05:32 pm Stephen Cormier wrote: On January 20, 2008 05:05:29 pm Karl Schmidt wrote: Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Hi ! To get the newest NVidia-packages installed and built, you can follow these steps: 1. delete all /usr/src/modules/nv* 2. delete /usr/src/nvidia-source*.tgz 3. delete all formerly built packages (i.e. nvidia-kernel-bla***.deb) 4. deinstall nvidia-source and reinstall the new nvidia-source 5. start module-assistant and choose nvidia-kernel and let it build and install 6. apt-get update, apt-get upgrade let you now install the newest package nvidia-glx 7. update all xserver-xorg* packages. 8. Have fun ! The latest version (167.07) is running stable ! Good luck ! Hans-J. Ullrich That didn't work for me - I got every thing compiled and installed - verified that the nvidia driver was loaded, but xorg could not see it and errors out. I think it is a version thing - or something to do with AMD64. If someone has this working under lenny and could list the following: * kernel version running * versions of all the nvidia packages * version of xorg This way I'm comparing apples to apples. Here are mine listed below as you can see from the version naming of the packages I needed to re-compile so that they would install using Xorg 7.2, if you want I can send you the packages so you can build your own kernel module to install. Or you can simply re-build the nvidia packages yourself having changed the debian/control file to xserver-xorg-core (= 2:1.3) in the nvidia-glx section. HappyTux:/# COLUMNS=125 dpkg -l | grep nvidia ii nvidia-glx169.07-2.1NVIDIA binary Xorg driver ii nvidia-glx-dev169.07-2.1NVIDIA binary Xorg driver development files ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.23 169.07-2.1+2.6.23-10.00.C NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.23 ii nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1-0.1NVIDIA binary kernel module common files ii nvidia-kernel-source 169.07-2.1NVIDIA binary kernel module source ii nvidia-settings 1.0+20070502-1Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver HappyTux:/# uname -r 2.6.23 HappyTux:/# lsmod |grep nvidia nvidia 8894372 34 i2c_core 27072 6 nvidia,eeprom,tuner,cx88xx,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom HappyTux:/# X -version X Window System Version 1.3.0 Release Date: 19 April 2007 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 1.3 Build Operating System: Linux Debian (xorg-server 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12) Current Operating System: Linux HappyTux 2.6.23 #1 SMP Mon Dec 31 01:38:11 AST 2007 x86_64 Build Date: 09 August 2007 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Stephen And I should add that when using module-assistant you needed to have made a symbolic link (ln -s /usr/src/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.bz2) so that when using something like m-a a-i -f nvidia to build your binary module it will find the source file otherwise it just failed here building an old 100.14.11 if memory serves me correctly. Stephen -- GPG Public Key: http://users.eastlink.ca/~stephencormier/publickey.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
On January 20, 2008 05:05:29 pm Karl Schmidt wrote: Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Hi ! To get the newest NVidia-packages installed and built, you can follow these steps: 1. delete all /usr/src/modules/nv* 2. delete /usr/src/nvidia-source*.tgz 3. delete all formerly built packages (i.e. nvidia-kernel-bla***.deb) 4. deinstall nvidia-source and reinstall the new nvidia-source 5. start module-assistant and choose nvidia-kernel and let it build and install 6. apt-get update, apt-get upgrade let you now install the newest package nvidia-glx 7. update all xserver-xorg* packages. 8. Have fun ! The latest version (167.07) is running stable ! Good luck ! Hans-J. Ullrich That didn't work for me - I got every thing compiled and installed - verified that the nvidia driver was loaded, but xorg could not see it and errors out. I think it is a version thing - or something to do with AMD64. If someone has this working under lenny and could list the following: * kernel version running * versions of all the nvidia packages * version of xorg This way I'm comparing apples to apples. Here are mine listed below as you can see from the version naming of the packages I needed to re-compile so that they would install using Xorg 7.2, if you want I can send you the packages so you can build your own kernel module to install. Or you can simply re-build the nvidia packages yourself having changed the debian/control file to xserver-xorg-core (= 2:1.3) in the nvidia-glx section. HappyTux:/# COLUMNS=125 dpkg -l | grep nvidia ii nvidia-glx169.07-2.1NVIDIA binary Xorg driver ii nvidia-glx-dev169.07-2.1NVIDIA binary Xorg driver development files ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.23 169.07-2.1+2.6.23-10.00.C NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.23 ii nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1-0.1NVIDIA binary kernel module common files ii nvidia-kernel-source 169.07-2.1NVIDIA binary kernel module source ii nvidia-settings 1.0+20070502-1Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver HappyTux:/# uname -r 2.6.23 HappyTux:/# lsmod |grep nvidia nvidia 8894372 34 i2c_core 27072 6 nvidia,eeprom,tuner,cx88xx,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom HappyTux:/# X -version X Window System Version 1.3.0 Release Date: 19 April 2007 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 1.3 Build Operating System: Linux Debian (xorg-server 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12) Current Operating System: Linux HappyTux 2.6.23 #1 SMP Mon Dec 31 01:38:11 AST 2007 x86_64 Build Date: 09 August 2007 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Stephen -- GPG Public Key: http://users.eastlink.ca/~stephencormier/publickey.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
Stephen Cormier wrote: HappyTux:/# uname -r 2.6.23 This seems to be where I have lost the trail. I have: # uname -a Linux singapore 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Nov 4 18:18:09 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux And; I don't see a 2.6.23 kernel to install? Where did you get it? Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 If man's brain was simple enough for us to understand, we would be too simple to understand it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
I think I shouldn't have updated to lenny -- I can't get nvidia working and I need it for a dual head setup (I don't think the nv driver can do this). Not sure which way to go from here: * Use the nvidia supplied drivers? (I've never done this) * Is there a way to use the etch drivers? * Get Some other card that has an open driver that supports dual head display? Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 If man's brain was simple enough for us to understand, we would be too simple to understand it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
Karl On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 20:59 -0600, Karl Schmidt wrote: I think I shouldn't have updated to lenny -- I can't get nvidia working and I need it for a dual head setup (I don't think the nv driver can do this). That depends. Are you using a video card with two heads or two cards? If your using two cards (like I am) then it's no problem. Not sure which way to go from here: * Use the nvidia supplied drivers? (I've never done this) I've stopped using them. I run lenny on both my workstation and laptop. On my 64-bit workstation I had a disk problem and different kernels coped better than others. The system would run of a few days and the just lock up. I had to re-compile the nVidia driver every time I swapped kernels (if I wanted to use X). On my laptop the system suddenly became very sluggish after on upgrade (inc kernel so re-compile of the nVidia driver required). I can not prove that it was the nVidia driver, but as far as I could tell it was only the graphics that ran slowly. Switch to a virtual console and the speed was there. My recommendation is to only use the nVidia drivers if you _need_ a facility that the FLOSS driver doesn't support: 1). Duel head card, and/or 2). 3D acceleration, and/or 3). Better external display support [1]. If you don't use _need_ them (and I don't) the FLOSS one is much less hassle. * Is there a way to use the etch drivers? Yes. Just pull the debs from the server and install them by hand: # dpkg -i deb [...] * Get Some other card that has an open driver that supports dual head display? You could just buy a cheep PCI graphics card and do it that way. That's what I've done. I managed to pick up cheep second hard graphics card from a computer fair (£5): 00:0c.0 VGA compatible controller: Texas Instruments TVP4020 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV28 Steve [1] The nVidia driver will drive both the laptop screen and a projector at the same time. And you can plug the projector in at any time. IIRC the FLOSS driver has problems here and it is best to boot and shutdown with the projector plugged in. -- Steve Dobson The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
But they are NOT compatible. That means they don't work. The new xorg can't work with the old nvidia hence there should be a dependancy preventing you from having the old nvidia with the new xorg. It's a good thing when packages prevent you from doing broken things. The new version of xorg simply doesn't work with old driver files becase the ABI changed. That's what an ABI change means. And what the --ignoreABI switch is for. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
Best course of action: stick to Intel graphics, or use the free nv driver. The nv driver only works on some cards and intel cards are overpriced POS that simply do not support some of more useful GL extensions. AMD/ATi has recently released specs for their newer chips, and promises to do so soon for their older chips, that is a better option than an over priced intel card. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 06:25:05AM -0500, Robert Isaac wrote: The nv driver only works on some cards and intel cards are overpriced POS that simply do not support some of more useful GL extensions. AMD/ATi has recently released specs for their newer chips, and promises to do so soon for their older chips, that is a better option than an over priced intel card. Erm, you wanted to say that will be a better option in 1-2 years from now. Drivers won't just magically appear out of thin air because the specs are available. Even more, AFAIK not all specs are available and even the released ones have some holes. I'm sure these will be solved over time but IMHO right _now_ the only fully supported Radeon family is still the R200 generation. R300 and partly R400 is becoming pretty good but it is not yet complete. Work on R500 has been started but is far from being ready, and support for R600 is not on the horizont yet. Of course you can use the fglrx driver but then you're back where you've been with Nvidia. Gabor -- - MTA SZTAKI Computer and Automation Research Institute Hungarian Academy of Sciences - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Adam Stiles wrote: Best course of action: stick to Intel graphics, or use the free nv driver. It is my understanding that the ATI (now part of AMD) cards were going to be totally open? http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3108 Thank you AMD - I sure hope our driver people take the challenge and make the best driver available! So, I think it will be a choice between Intel and ATI - not sure which is more open. For applications that don't need 3D like most desktop stuff, I read somewhere that ATI out performs Nvidia. BTW, Intel has also better about making information available than they get credit for. I think the day is rapidly approaching where they can no longer ignore the OSS community. Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 A patent provides one a license to enrich his lawyer. -kps -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
AFAIK not all specs are available and even the released ones have some holes. I'm sure these will be solved over time but IMHO right _now_ the only fully supported Radeon family is still the R200 generation. R300 and partly R400 is becoming pretty good but it is not yet complete. Work on R500 has been started but is far from being ready, and support for R600 is not on the horizont yet. It's my understanding that the r500/600 libre driver is now in a usable 2d state[1] thanks to the release of the specs and the existing code from the Avivo driver, which should make the R500/600 chips a viable desktop option if you do not require 3D support, especially as the R500 cards can be bought at a significantly less price than intel's cards. It is also my understanding that the release of specs for the r300/400 cards is being held up by the AMD legal department's audit of the specs and has nothing to do with AMD/ATi's new policy towards GNU/Linux. [1] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=921num=1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package xserver-xorg-core and Nvidia
You can make it yourself! Get the package: apt-get -d xserver-xorg-core Create a directory to unpack that package: mkdir /path/to/a/directory (example /tmp/xserver) cd /tmp/xserver/ dpkg -e xserver-xorg-core dpkg -x xserver-xorg-core /tmp/xserver cd /tmp/xserver/DEBIAN Edit the control file and on the line beginning by Depends remove nvidia-glx Save the file. cd /tmp dpkg-deb -b xserver It will create a new package xserver.deb that you can install. Hope it helps Nicolas On Nov 21, 2007 7:47 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear maintainers, it is not possible, to install the newest xorg-version without upgrading to a newer version of nvidia-glx. Yes, I know, this is because xorg 7.3 is using a new ABI for Nvidias new binary part and you need xorg7.3 for the newer drivers. But because of these dependencies, I have to get the newer version og Nvidias driver, which let freeze my system (reason is the binary closed source part of the package nvidia-glx) So it would be nice, if you could create a package xserver-xorg-core without the dependencies to nvidia-glx. So I can update to a newer version of xorg and keep my older Nvidia driver. Best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 07:47:46PM +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Dear maintainers, it is not possible, to install the newest xorg-version without upgrading to a newer version of nvidia-glx. Yes, I know, this is because xorg 7.3 is using a new ABI for Nvidias new binary part and you need xorg7.3 for the newer drivers. But because of these dependencies, I have to get the newer version og Nvidias driver, which let freeze my system (reason is the binary closed source part of the package nvidia-glx) So it would be nice, if you could create a package xserver-xorg-core without the dependencies to nvidia-glx. So I can update to a newer version of xorg and keep my older Nvidia driver. But they are NOT compatible. That means they don't work. The new xorg can't work with the old nvidia hence there should be a dependancy preventing you from having the old nvidia with the new xorg. It's a good thing when packages prevent you from doing broken things. The new version of xorg simply doesn't work with old driver files becase the ABI changed. That's what an ABI change means. Xorg changed the ABI in 7.3 and nvidia had to make a new driver using the new ABI to get it working again. It is not a case of nvidia inventing a new ABI and xorg having to change to supprot it. So old driver means old ABI which means it only works with old versions of xorg. -- Len SOrensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am Mittwoch, 21. November 2007 schrieb Nicolas: You can make it yourself! Get the package: apt-get -d xserver-xorg-core Create a directory to unpack that package: mkdir /path/to/a/directory (example /tmp/xserver) cd /tmp/xserver/ dpkg -e xserver-xorg-core dpkg -x xserver-xorg-core /tmp/xserver cd /tmp/xserver/DEBIAN Edit the control file and on the line beginning by Depends remove nvidia-glx Save the file. cd /tmp dpkg-deb -b xserver It will create a new package xserver.deb that you can install. Hope it helps Nicolas On Nov 21, 2007 7:47 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear maintainers, it is not possible, to install the newest xorg-version without upgrading to a newer version of nvidia-glx. Yes, I know, this is because xorg 7.3 is using a new ABI for Nvidias new binary part and you need xorg7.3 for the newer drivers. But because of these dependencies, I have to get the newer version og Nvidias driver, which let freeze my system (reason is the binary closed source part of the package nvidia-glx) So it would be nice, if you could create a package xserver-xorg-core without the dependencies to nvidia-glx. So I can update to a newer version of xorg and keep my older Nvidia driver. Best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Nicolas, yes, this helps a lot, thanks ! But it would not help, using apt-get dist-upgrade (although I can use aptitude and set the package on hold) If so, I have to do this every time, a new version is coming out. I hope, the maintainers will change it though. Cheers Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
