Re: Recommendations for cheap Linux-compatible Opteron mobo
On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 08:11:33PM -0700, Alex Perry wrote: If you want a AMD64 3000+, 60 GB hard drive, 512 MB memory basic server, two hour UPS, keyboard, scrollwheel mouse, etc ... the e-machines M6805 laptop is available from best buy for $1100 or so at the moment. Does it have supported video? The complexities of accelerated 3D, wireless networking and other desktop peripherals are irrelevant if you're going to use it as a 64 bit server. As a bonus, since it is a mobile processor, you can speedstep it from 3000+ to 2700+ and even down to 1300+ equivalent speeds. Really handy. Offhand I don't recall whether it uses ECC memory, but I'd assume not. My wife bought a Compaq R3240ca for $1800cdn which is a 3200+ with 60G 512M, nvidia 440MX go video and 15.4 WXGA display and a DVD+RW drive and (stupid hard to make work) broadcom 11g. Still have to get her to try loading 64bit debian in addition to the 32bit. Lennart Sorensen
Re: Recommendations for cheap Linux-compatible Opteron mobo
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 08:11:33PM -0700, Alex Perry wrote: If you want a AMD64 3000+, 60 GB hard drive, 512 MB memory basic server, two hour UPS, keyboard, scrollwheel mouse, etc ... the e-machines M6805 laptop is available from best buy for $1100 or so at the moment. Does it have supported video? Video is ATI 9600, which works fine (accelerated 2D, software 3D) using the open source xfree86 drivers in 32 or 64 bit. The ATI binary driver, that gives you accelerated 3D, was (last time I looked) only 32 bit and the associated kernel module is not 64 bit capable. This may have changed. I should point out, for people joining this thread, that this is an Athlon64 not an Opteron laptop. We're using it as a compute server that also controls lab experiments and has a built in X terminal. The compute service has good availability because (even when an experiment is being moved from one lab to another) the combination of battery and wireless ensure that the other users can always talk to it. I'm describing the display as an X terminal purely because of the lack of accelerated 3D when in pure 64. My wife bought a Compaq R3240ca for $1800cdn which is a 3200+ with 60G 512M, nvidia 440MX go video and 15.4 WXGA display and a DVD+RW drive and (stupid hard to make work) broadcom 11g. Still have to get her to try loading 64bit debian in addition to the 32bit. Yeah, I'm using an external 802.11 card. The Nvidia video does, I gather from this mailing list, run with the 32 bit libs in otherwise-pure64. Hope that helps.
Re: Recommendations for cheap Linux-compatible Opteron mobo
On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 08:47:09PM +0200, Roland Fehrenbacher wrote: Ron What's ASRock? Could you please keep this spam of the list??? In that spirit, I'll reply to another message from this thread here, instead of in a separate message: I said you could use ECC RAM with Athlon64, and someone said you have to use ECC RAM with Opteron. (Both of those things are true.) My point was that if you wanted a server with ECC RAM to prevent crashes due to cosmic rays, you don't need an Opteron, because Athlon64 (even the socket 754 version) can use ECC RAM. i.e. ECC RAM doesn't require Opteron. Mind you, this is a Debian AMD64 list and not some hardware discussion forum!!! I thought AMD64 was such a new architecture that a lot of people are just getting them, and so on. Maybe people should be reading linuxhardware.org or something, but I think it's better for people to post here and get steered towards good hardware (with Free drivers when possible) than for them to go out and buy bad stuff (esp. ATI Radeon 9200) and then ask how to make it work with Debian :( I think it would be good if an official Debian person would weigh in with a comment on where to draw the line in terms of threads going off on tangents about hardware (or even being purely about hardware in the first place)... -- #define X(x,y) x##y Peter Cordes ; e-mail: X([EMAIL PROTECTED] , des.ca) The gods confound the man who first found out how to distinguish the hours! Confound him, too, who in this place set up a sundial, to cut and hack my day so wretchedly into small pieces! -- Plautus, 200 BC signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Recommendations for cheap Linux-compatible Opteron mobo
If you want a AMD64 3000+, 60 GB hard drive, 512 MB memory basic server, two hour UPS, keyboard, scrollwheel mouse, etc ... the e-machines M6805 laptop is available from best buy for $1100 or so at the moment. The complexities of accelerated 3D, wireless networking and other desktop peripherals are irrelevant if you're going to use it as a 64 bit server. As a bonus, since it is a mobile processor, you can speedstep it from 3000+ to 2700+ and even down to 1300+ equivalent speeds. Really handy. Offhand I don't recall whether it uses ECC memory, but I'd assume not.
Re: Recommendations for cheap Linux-compatible Opteron mobo
On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 17:24 +0200, Sven Krahn wrote: Peter Cordes wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 09:13:55AM +0800, Paolo Alexis Falcone wrote: [snip] Do also check ASRock when looking for a Athlon boards w/ socket 754. Works well with the amd64 port. What's ASRock? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B YODA: Code! Yes. A programmer's strength flows from code maintainability. But beware of Perl. Terse syntax... more than one way to do it...default variables. The dark side of code maintainability are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you when code you write. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Recommendations for cheap Linux-compatible Opteron mobo
On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 07:31:29PM +0200, Andreas Bittner wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: What's ASRock? asrock is a sister of asus, but 4 cheap and lowcost stuff. As in rock bottom stuff? :) Real Asus boards don't cost that much so I will stick to buying those (as I have been for 12 years now). Len Sorensen
Re: Recommendations for cheap Linux-compatible Opteron mobo
Ron == Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ron On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 17:24 +0200, Sven Krahn wrote: Peter Cordes wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 09:13:55AM +0800, Paolo Alexis Falcone wrote: Ron [snip] Do also check ASRock when looking for a Athlon boards w/ socket 754. Works well with the amd64 port. Ron What's ASRock? Could you please keep this spam of the list??? Mind you, this is a Debian AMD64 list and not some hardware discussion forum!!! Thanks, Roland Ron -- Ron - Ron Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B Ron YODA: Code! Yes. A programmer's strength flows from code Ron maintainability. But beware of Perl. Terse syntax... more Ron than one way to do it...default variables. The dark side of Ron code maintainability are they. Easily they flow, quick to Ron join you when code you write. If once you start down the dark Ron path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it Ron will.
Re: Recommendations for cheap Linux-compatible Opteron mobo
Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 17:24 +0200, Sven Krahn wrote: Peter Cordes wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 09:13:55AM +0800, Paolo Alexis Falcone wrote: [snip] Do also check ASRock when looking for a Athlon boards w/ socket 754. Works well with the amd64 port. What's ASRock? I found that Asrock is a low-cost brand of Asus. A review of the Asrock K8S8X board can be found at http://www.ocworkbench.com/2004/asrock/k8s8x/k8s8x-1.htm. After a few weeks having the system up and running without any major issues I would say this is an extremely reasonably priced motherboard and an absolute recommendation to start with AMD64 technology. Best Sven
Re: Recommendations for cheap Linux-compatible Opteron mobo
For dual opteron, Tyan boards (esp S2881 and 2) aren't cheap, but they're nice. (Tyan even _supports_ LinuxBios on them, and has an lm_sensors config you can download.) The older Tyan opteron boards are very cheap now - I have the S2875 ANRF, and I have not a single complaint.
