Re: SATA RAID5 adaptor other than 3ware? Thanks alot!

2005-07-21 Thread Soenke von Stamm
Hi,

first off, I'll not be ableto make extensive perfomance benches. It'll go into 
production as soon as I've verified stability which will be done by what the 
mailscanners do most: extracting, scanning... then I'll recrompress and 
verify the data. Multiple loops over the weekend. Maybe I can do some bonnie 
stuff? Any other good performance measuring tools?
Only config will be RAID5 with 4 NCQ drives 7.2 krpm.

Installation will be copying the system from the old RAID1 set after upgrading 
the kernel to 2.6.11, so problems should be limited.

Please tell me what kind of short-time-possible benches you wanna see. 
Remaining HW is Tyan GX28 S2881, 2x Opteron 265, 4Gig RAM PC3200R (IIRC, 
hardware will hopefully soon be here, already ordered incl. LSI controller). 
System is of course debian/sarge amd64, ia32libs but no further 32bit stuff, 
no X.


thanks again, Sönke



Re: SATA RAID5 adaptor other than 3ware? Thanks alot!

2005-07-20 Thread Soenke von Stamm
Ok, thanks to all you guys, I have found the new LSI MegaRAID 300-8x to fit my 
needs most closely. They are becoming available now and I have enough time to 
validate one in another soon-to-arrive GX28. It has the connectors on the 
back side, but it's short enough and it seems to be a decent performer 
(judging from the Areca card http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/557 which uses 
the same XOR hardware - I don't trust the Areca hardware though (fan) and 
have very good experiences with LSI for years now).
Unfortunately the MegaRAID 300-4x doesn't seem to be out yet but the price 
difference is a minor issue. Nice feat is support of NCQ btw, got four NCQ 
disks on my desk already :-)


  Sönke


Am Dienstag, 19. Juli 2005 12:15 schrieb Stefan Lüthje:
 The driver show all disks as SCSI-Disks, also the SATA-Disks.

Yeah, I confused that with the newer libata drivers (which also add SCSI 
devices and reside in drivers/scsi/) which are for 'passive' adaptors only of 
course. :-/

  The product page
  http://www.icp-vortex.com/english/product/pci/rz_sata/8546rz_e.htm it
  lists
  Linux under the supported platforms, but it's not clear if AMD64 is
  included.

 It is supported. They have also the tools for the AMD64.
 I use the same card since 6 month without problems.

 Otherwise ICP-Vortex has a very good hotline, call them for further
 questions (no expensive service number!!).



Re: SATA RAID5 adaptor other than 3ware? Thanks alot!

2005-07-20 Thread Gauthier DELERCE
I use Areca controler (1210, 4 ports pciExpress, SATA2), perfect 
solution. you need to patch your kernel with the areca patch ( included 
in mm4 patch).  The areca tools to monitor the controler runs fine on 
debian-pure64.


I recommand this product,   also I have very bad experience with 3ware 
sata controller which offer very low performances.



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Randall J. Parr wrote:


Soenke von Stamm wrote:

Ok, thanks to all you guys, I have found the new LSI MegaRAID 300-8x 
to fit my needs most closely. They are becoming available now and I 
have enough time to validate one in another soon-to-arrive GX28. It 
has the connectors on the back side, but it's short enough and it 
seems to be a decent performer (judging from the Areca card 
http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/557 which uses the same XOR hardware 
- I don't trust the Areca hardware though (fan) and have very good 
experiences with LSI for years now).
Unfortunately the MegaRAID 300-4x doesn't seem to be out yet but the 
price difference is a minor issue. Nice feat is support of NCQ btw, 
got four NCQ disks on my desk already :-)
 





Please let us know if the 300-8x does, in fact, provide similar 
performance to the Areca.  I had been looking at the Areca (because 
of, in part, the review you mentioned) but have been a little leary.  
I have had very good experience with LSI MegaRAID with SCSI and would 
like to try the 300-8x (if performance IS as described).


Also... I checked their drivers page but do not see a Debian and/or 
generic Linux driver.  Do you know one is available?


Thanks
R.Parr, RHCE
Temporal Arts







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Re: SATA RAID5 adaptor other than 3ware? Thanks alot!

2005-07-20 Thread Markus Boas
Am Mittwoch 20 Juli 2005 16:25 schrieb Gauthier DELERCE:
 I use Areca controler (1210, 4 ports pciExpress, SATA2), perfect
 solution. you need to patch your kernel with the areca patch ( included
 in mm4 patch).  The areca tools to monitor the controler runs fine on
 debian-pure64.

 I recommand this product,   also I have very bad experience with 3ware
 sata controller which offer very low performances.


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Not realy on the last two kernel rc's it is include.


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Re: SATA RAID5 adaptor other than 3ware? Thanks alot!

2005-07-20 Thread Johan Groth

Randall J. Parr wrote:

Soenke von Stamm wrote:

Ok, thanks to all you guys, I have found the new LSI MegaRAID 300-8x 
to fit my needs most closely. They are becoming available now and I 
have enough time to validate one in another soon-to-arrive GX28. It 
has the connectors on the back side, but it's short enough and it 
seems to be a decent performer (judging from the Areca card 
http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/557 which uses the same XOR hardware - 
I don't trust the Areca hardware though (fan) and have very good 
experiences with LSI for years now).
Unfortunately the MegaRAID 300-4x doesn't seem to be out yet but the 
price difference is a minor issue. Nice feat is support of NCQ btw, 
got four NCQ disks on my desk already :-)
 





Please let us know if the 300-8x does, in fact, provide similar 
performance to the Areca.  I had been looking at the Areca (because of, 
in part, the review you mentioned) but have been a little leary.  I have 
had very good experience with LSI MegaRAID with SCSI and would like to 
try the 300-8x (if performance IS as described).


I chose the LSI because I couldn't find anyone here in the UK that sells 
the Arcea or the Tekram variant (perhaps they are the same, don't know).


When it comes to performance I'm more than happy. The card is installed 
in a Tyan 2885 MB (PCI-X slot, of course :) ). Previously I had an 
Adaptec 2410 (66MHz, 64 bit) and the performance difference between 
these two controllers is huge. Ok, the test I did is VERY inscientific 
but I got the performance boost I wanted.
The test was to copy a big file (700MB) from one stripe to another on 
the same controller (which means each controller had 4 drives connected 
to it and configured as two RAID-0 stripes). The file system used on the 
Adaptec was Reiserfs and on the LSI XFS. The copy took 13s on the 
Adaptec and a whopping 1.3 on the LSI. Guess if I was bouncing around 
the walls :). This can of course be a combination of controller/file 
system, which is what I suspect. Is Reiserfs known to be slow?


Also... I checked their drivers page but do not see a Debian and/or 
generic Linux driver.  Do you know one is available?


The LSI MegaRAID 300-8x is supported from kernel 2.6.10 and forward. It 
uses the megaraid_mbox driver which of course means it's a small hell to 
install Debian when that controller is the only one in your system you 
have any disks connected to. Debian installer uses kernel 2.6.8 which 
does not support the card (although it loads a driver called megaraid).


So to summarise, the card works ok and is fast but can be problematic to 
install Debian on.


/Johan


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