Re: The fan of the laptop never stops with amd64
v0n0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pascal Giard ha scritto: Are you using powernowd? powernowd allows dynamic cpu frequency and core voltage scaling. For instance, my 1800MHz (1.5V) runs at 1001MHz (1.1V) most of the time. Of course, the side effect is lower power (heat) dissipation so the fan(s) can slow down. My 2GHz Athlon64 Mobile runs nearly all the time at 798MHz. But I noticed that if I click Setup Helper Application in KLaptop (so klaptop_acpi_helper becomes suid), my laptop uses all the power with no scaling (might be a profile problem?). I'm using KDE 3.4 but it was the same in 3.3. To let powernowd work again I had to manually chmod -s /usr/bin/klaptop_acpi_helper. I suggest to never enable it, because it has only 2 profiles: userspace (min freq), performance (max freq). So frequencies in the middle will never be used. Athlon64 (and Turion I think) has at least 4 operation modes. The powernowd can be configured to different behaviour. The default is to go straight to full speed whenever there is cpu load 80% and then slowly drop down as long as the cpu is 20%. I didn't find that very usefull for me. Instead I switched to SINE mode so it slowly changes without sudden jumps. I also changed the limits to 50% and 95% so it is more biased towads slow. For a laptop the PASSIVE mode is probably best where it jumps to the slowest speed whenever cpu goes 20% and only slowly rises with cpu 80%. It will feel more sluggish to react though. Or the LEAPS mode, what you described. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The fan of the laptop never stops with amd64
Am Mittwoch, 31. August 2005 18:20 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: v0n0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pascal Giard ha scritto: Are you using powernowd? powernowd allows dynamic cpu frequency and core voltage scaling. For instance, my 1800MHz (1.5V) runs at 1001MHz (1.1V) most of the time. Of course, the side effect is lower power (heat) dissipation so the fan(s) can slow down. My 2GHz Athlon64 Mobile runs nearly all the time at 798MHz. But I noticed that if I click Setup Helper Application in KLaptop (so klaptop_acpi_helper becomes suid), my laptop uses all the power with no scaling (might be a profile problem?). I'm using KDE 3.4 but it was the same in 3.3. To let powernowd work again I had to manually chmod -s /usr/bin/klaptop_acpi_helper. I suggest to never enable it, because it has only 2 profiles: userspace (min freq), performance (max freq). So frequencies in the middle will never be used. Athlon64 (and Turion I think) has at least 4 operation modes. The powernowd can be configured to different behaviour. Hi Goswin ! I suppose, it is the Option=-q in the /etc/init.d/powernowd-Script, isn`t it ?? Or is there another way, to change the behavior ? I read in the documentation, that a file can be written in /etc/default/ called powernowd, but I do not know, what content must be in it. Do you have an example ? I suppose, to edit the script in /etc/init.d/ should work to. Best regards Hans The default is to go straight to full speed whenever there is cpu load 80% and then slowly drop down as long as the cpu is 20%. I didn't find that very usefull for me. Instead I switched to SINE mode so it slowly changes without sudden jumps. I also changed the limits to 50% and 95% so it is more biased towads slow. For a laptop the PASSIVE mode is probably best where it jumps to the slowest speed whenever cpu goes 20% and only slowly rises with cpu 80%. It will feel more sluggish to react though. Or the LEAPS mode, what you described. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The fan of the laptop never stops with amd64
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 02:06:19AM +0200, A, Manchado wrote: I am wondering why, and got 2 hypothesis: 1) Turion is dissipating a lot more power when running in 64bit mode. Uhm... 2) There is something wrong with the control of the fan in debian-amd64. I think ACPI/APM problem (modules?) Kernel are same version? Are various power daemon running with same conf files? -- Sythos - http://www.sythos.net () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against html/rtf/vCard in mail /\- against M$ attachments -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The fan of the laptop never stops with amd64
Pascal Giard ha scritto: Are you using powernowd? powernowd allows dynamic cpu frequency and core voltage scaling. For instance, my 1800MHz (1.5V) runs at 1001MHz (1.1V) most of the time. Of course, the side effect is lower power (heat) dissipation so the fan(s) can slow down. My 2GHz Athlon64 Mobile runs nearly all the time at 798MHz. But I noticed that if I click Setup Helper Application in KLaptop (so klaptop_acpi_helper becomes suid), my laptop uses all the power with no scaling (might be a profile problem?). I'm using KDE 3.4 but it was the same in 3.3. To let powernowd work again I had to manually chmod -s /usr/bin/klaptop_acpi_helper. I suggest to never enable it, because it has only 2 profiles: userspace (min freq), performance (max freq). So frequencies in the middle will never be used. Athlon64 (and Turion I think) has at least 4 operation modes. -- Alessandro Dal Grande Student In The University Of Padua - Computer Science Linux Registered User #359258 System: GNU/Linux Debian Sid Pure64 on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chat: Psi ICQ) 150487234 Jabber) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Put the fan back into computing signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: The fan of the laptop never stops with amd64
Hello, what kernel are you using? try linux-image-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 from unstable (nvidia/ati modules need gcc-4.0 to compile then), or thze 2.6.12.5 + acpi patch from http://213.178.77.236/laptop/ at least on my turion based laptop the fan control works pretty well. Best regards Frederik Schueler On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 02:06:19AM +0200, A, Manchado wrote: I recently bought a Turion laptop with Knoppix-32bit preinstalled. The fan used to run and stop now and then. Now I have installed debian-amd64-testing and when the fan starts working (15sec to 30 sec after booting) then it never stops again. Furthermore, the battery lasts 30% less time approx. than with 32bit. I am wondering why, and got 2 hypothesis: 1) Turion is dissipating a lot more power when running in 64bit mode. 2) There is something wrong with the control of the fan in debian-amd64. However, all acpi modules (thermal.ko, fan.ko, etc.) are loaded at boot time (I had to add them to /etc/modules) and they seem to be working 'cause I got battery level indication in the kde panel. Has anyone experienced this behaviour? Is it normal? Regards, amm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ENOSIG signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: The fan of the laptop never stops with amd64
On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 18:44 -0400, Pascal Giard wrote: Are you using powernowd? powernowd allows dynamic cpu frequency and core voltage scaling. For instance, my 1800MHz (1.5V) runs at 1001MHz (1.1V) most of the time. Of course, the side effect is lower power (heat) dissipation so the fan(s) can slow down. -Pascal Alternatively, he could just use the cpufreq-ondemand if his kernel is high enough. I find it works well enough for my needs, so I don't even use a userspace tool such as powernowd to control it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The fan of the laptop never stops with amd64
Hi everyone, I finally succeded with the fan issue. powernowd did the magic (I didn't have it installed). Also helped acpid and disabling the suid bit in klaptop_acpi_helper. Thanks to everybody, A.Manchado -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The fan of the laptop never stops with amd64
Are you using powernowd? powernowd allows dynamic cpu frequency and core voltage scaling. For instance, my 1800MHz (1.5V) runs at 1001MHz (1.1V) most of the time. Of course, the side effect is lower power (heat) dissipation so the fan(s) can slow down. -Pascal On 8/29/05, A, Manchado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently bought a Turion laptop with Knoppix-32bit preinstalled. The fan used to run and stop now and then. Now I have installed debian-amd64-testing and when the fan starts working (15sec to 30 sec after booting) then it never stops again. Furthermore, the battery lasts 30% less time approx. than with 32bit. I am wondering why, and got 2 hypothesis: 1) Turion is dissipating a lot more power when running in 64bit mode. 2) There is something wrong with the control of the fan in debian-amd64. However, all acpi modules (thermal.ko, fan.ko, etc.) are loaded at boot time (I had to add them to /etc/modules) and they seem to be working 'cause I got battery level indication in the kde panel. Has anyone experienced this behaviour? Is it normal? Regards, amm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- XBGM# (http://xbgm.sf.net) MoviXMaker-2 (http://sv.gnu.org/projects/movixmaker) [e]MoviX[2] (http://movix.sf.net) Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org)
