Re: etch RC1 installer
On 12/13/06 10:18:20PM +, Paul Brook wrote: > > What about at high resolutions though? According to this[1] bug report at > > fd.o it's still broken and won't be fixed until at least Xorg 7.3. And the > > last time I used the nv driver it was noticably slower than the binary > > nvidia driver even at normal 2D desktop stuff, not that it was unusable or > > anything but the speed difference is significant. > > I'm running amd64 Debian unstable at 1600x1200 on a 128Mb GF4200ti. > > Up until a couple of months or so ago it was painfully slow. I couldn't play > video above about 640x480, and other things (firefox, kpdf) were noticeably > slower than they should be. > Interesting, when I ran into the problem it was with the i386 port so that may make a difference. I had assumed that the AMD64 port would have the same limitations since it's a video thing but maybe that's not true. If I get a chance I'll try switching this machine over to the nv driver and see if Xv output in mplayer works, although it's a completely different machine so it won't be a very good test but I'd still be interested in knowing if it works or not. Jim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
> What about at high resolutions though? According to this[1] bug report at > fd.o it's still broken and won't be fixed until at least Xorg 7.3. And the > last time I used the nv driver it was noticably slower than the binary > nvidia driver even at normal 2D desktop stuff, not that it was unusable or > anything but the speed difference is significant. I'm running amd64 Debian unstable at 1600x1200 on a 128Mb GF4200ti. Up until a couple of months or so ago it was painfully slow. I couldn't play video above about 640x480, and other things (firefox, kpdf) were noticeably slower than they should be. With current unstable everything seems to be working nice and quick. I can't tell any difference between the open-source and and binary drivers (except lack of 3d, obviously). I never saw any error messages, so I don't know if it's related to the bug you reference. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
On 12/13/06 03:23:41PM +, Paul Brook wrote: > > The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free driver is 2D only. > > I also believe the free driver doesn't do video playback acceleration > > while the binary one does. > > The open source driver does support video overlays, and seems to provide > hardware acceleration (I see a 10x reduction in CPU usage when xv is > enabled). > What about at high resolutions though? According to this[1] bug report at fd.o it's still broken and won't be fixed until at least Xorg 7.3. And the last time I used the nv driver it was noticably slower than the binary nvidia driver even at normal 2D desktop stuff, not that it was unusable or anything but the speed difference is significant. Jim. [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6151 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
I must add to my email of the past few minutes that even on my debian-like pivot_root install of knoppix 5.0.1 I had to install libmotif3_2.2.3-1.5_i386.deb to get my molecular mechanics package working (openGL). Surely knoppix 5.0.1 has nvidia acceleration. However, take my information as from a non-expert, though, no doubt, the graphics of my application is in openGL. cheers francesco pietra --- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:25:56PM -0800, Francesco > Pietra wrote: > > Thank you for answering, though my point was to > where > > learning as this my new installation without > nvidia > > works. Why should I install nvidia when it works > > perfectly and very speedy? Finally, everything was > > done through official debian and I suppose they > know > > how to do. > > The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free > driver is 2D only. > I also believe the free driver doesn't do video > playback acceleration > while the binary one does. Of course if you never > play video or use any > opengl programs, then there is no reason to use the > binary driver. > > -- > Len Sorensen > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
Hi For my veryvery important and extremely sophisticated calculations I do download libmotif and then I burn some CPU time on my precious amd64 to compile it and then I install it. apt-src install libmotif*** fakeroot debian/rules binary Vola! /Gudon Þann Miðvikudagur 13 desember 2006 17:44 skrifaði Francesco Pietra: > Hi Len, Hi all: > > I do use openGL for my molecular mechanics software > and with the etch RC1 installation I got it working > better than on previous use of nvidia drivers. Even in > combination with povray-3.6 (provided the official > package from povray is used; with the debian package > 3.6 of povray I had troubles). Perhaps also because > now I use gnome. I merely downloaded from unstable > libmotif3_2.2.3-1.5.deb and installed it on my i386 > etch (I am talking here about i386; on the amd64 > machine I do mechanical/quantum/chemical computation > only, so that I have not yet got X). The libmotif on > etch does not afford support to openGL on my system. > Not even before when I used nvidia drivers. In fact, I > did the same as aboveon previous use of nvidia > drivers, although I had glx installed. Probably I had > a faulty installation. Now everything is fine. > > No, I never play motion-picture, no time and I don't > like it on the small screen. And the great time of > motion-pictures is over. > > cheers > francesco pietra > > > --- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:25:56PM -0800, Francesco > > > > Pietra wrote: > > > Thank you for answering, though my point was to > > > > where > > > > > learning as this my new installation without > > > > nvidia > > > > > works. Why should I install nvidia when it works > > > perfectly and very speedy? Finally, everything was > > > done through official debian and I suppose they > > > > know > > > > > how to do. > > > > The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free > > driver is 2D only. > > I also believe the free driver doesn't do video > > playback acceleration > > while the binary one does. Of course if you never > > play video or use any > > opengl programs, then there is no reason to use the > > binary driver. > > > > -- > > Len Sorensen > > ___ >_ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. > Try it now.
Re: etch RC1 installer
Hi Len, Hi all: I do use openGL for my molecular mechanics software and with the etch RC1 installation I got it working better than on previous use of nvidia drivers. Even in combination with povray-3.6 (provided the official package from povray is used; with the debian package 3.6 of povray I had troubles). Perhaps also because now I use gnome. I merely downloaded from unstable libmotif3_2.2.3-1.5.deb and installed it on my i386 etch (I am talking here about i386; on the amd64 machine I do mechanical/quantum/chemical computation only, so that I have not yet got X). The libmotif on etch does not afford support to openGL on my system. Not even before when I used nvidia drivers. In fact, I did the same as aboveon previous use of nvidia drivers, although I had glx installed. Probably I had a faulty installation. Now everything is fine. No, I never play motion-picture, no time and I don't like it on the small screen. And the great time of motion-pictures is over. cheers francesco pietra --- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:25:56PM -0800, Francesco > Pietra wrote: > > Thank you for answering, though my point was to > where > > learning as this my new installation without > nvidia > > works. Why should I install nvidia when it works > > perfectly and very speedy? Finally, everything was > > done through official debian and I suppose they > know > > how to do. > > The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free > driver is 2D only. > I also believe the free driver doesn't do video > playback acceleration > while the binary one does. Of course if you never > play video or use any > opengl programs, then there is no reason to use the > binary driver. > > -- > Len Sorensen > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 15:24, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 03:23:41PM +, Paul Brook wrote: > > The open source driver does support video overlays, and seems to provide > > hardware acceleration (I see a 10x reduction in CPU usage when xv is > > enabled). > > > > There were issues with older kernels/XOrg (I'm not sure which) that made > > the open source driver very slow on amd64. These seem to have been > > resolved now and it works fine for 2D and video. > > Oh good. Well then the only reason for binary drivers is opengl I > guess. How about multi monitor support on one card? Does the free > driver do that yet? How about tvout? I don't know. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
> The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free driver is 2D only. > I also believe the free driver doesn't do video playback acceleration > while the binary one does. The open source driver does support video overlays, and seems to provide hardware acceleration (I see a 10x reduction in CPU usage when xv is enabled). There were issues with older kernels/XOrg (I'm not sure which) that made the open source driver very slow on amd64. These seem to have been resolved now and it works fine for 2D and video. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 03:23:41PM +, Paul Brook wrote: > The open source driver does support video overlays, and seems to provide > hardware acceleration (I see a 10x reduction in CPU usage when xv is > enabled). > > There were issues with older kernels/XOrg (I'm not sure which) that made the > open source driver very slow on amd64. These seem to have been resolved now > and it works fine for 2D and video. Oh good. Well then the only reason for binary drivers is opengl I guess. How about multi monitor support on one card? Does the free driver do that yet? How about tvout? -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:25:56PM -0800, Francesco Pietra wrote: > Thank you for answering, though my point was to where > learning as this my new installation without nvidia > works. Why should I install nvidia when it works > perfectly and very speedy? Finally, everything was > done through official debian and I suppose they know > how to do. The nvidia binary driver does DRI openGL. The free driver is 2D only. I also believe the free driver doesn't do video playback acceleration while the binary one does. Of course if you never play video or use any opengl programs, then there is no reason to use the binary driver. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
--- Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In a new installation of i386 etch netinstall with > > latest etch RC1, no nvidia driver was installed. > > Install nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx (binary > drivers) > of debian unstable, latest version 1.0.8776-3. > It runs with Xorg 7.1.1 but maybe lower too. > > Install and run nvidia-xconfig, too, plus the nvidia > > 'controlcenter' package nvidia-settings. Thank you for answering, though my point was to where learning as this my new installation without nvidia works. Why should I install nvidia when it works perfectly and very speedy? Finally, everything was done through official debian and I suppose they know how to do. francesco pietra > > > > > m° > > Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
Francesco Pietra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Aimed at adding X to my amd64 etch workstation, I > wonder whether X is treated in amd64 (no 32 chroot, > pure 64 as far as it may be pur) like in i386. > > In a new installation of i386 etch netinstall with > latest etch RC1, no nvidia driver was installed. I > took notice of what was installed for X, though I > would like to be directed to where learning in detail > how X is managed this way. There is nothing special about X on amd64. It is the same as all other archs. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch RC1 installer
> In a new installation of i386 etch netinstall with > latest etch RC1, no nvidia driver was installed. Install nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx (binary drivers) of debian unstable, latest version 1.0.8776-3. It runs with Xorg 7.1.1 but maybe lower too. Install and run nvidia-xconfig, too, plus the nvidia 'controlcenter' package nvidia-settings. m°
