Re: gnome-session charsh

2012-08-25 Thread Francesco Pietra
I am bound to gnome for the program gchempaint. In my experience, it
is the only program, freely available as gnu, that allows drawing
chemical structures as required by chemical journals.

jchempaint is based on gtk, therefore, in principle, it might run on
other window managers based on gtk. However, if not offered as
precompiled (as within gnome), it is extremely arduous to compile.

Otherwise, I am unhappy with gnome, not only for what I wrote, but
also because it lacks decent burners and pdf tools (I installed k3b
and okular from kde, to this purpose).

One should also take into account that VMD, used universally as 3D
viewer in combination with molecular dynamics and other science, looks
for GPU cards, to accelerate very heavy processes. I never tried if a
simple window manager provides adequate support to that.

What I blame of GNOME is that it wants to take possession of the
computer. startxx / gnome-session avoids this, but presently it
requires (perhaps) some extra settings, in order to avoid crashes. KDE
is even worse to this respect.

Finally, with so much automatic steps with gnome/kde, knowledge of
unix is being lost, people converge to microsoft/apple the more and
more.

francesco

On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Chris Bannister
cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 03:34:35PM +0200, Francesco Pietra wrote:
 I suggest that in Debian mirrors, gnome is so arranged that launching
 it be an optional. In computational chemistry/biochemistry,
 particularly with amd64, most work is at the linux prompt. Now, with

 It would be better not to install gnome at all then. Just install a
 basic window manager, and open an xterm as needed.


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Re: gnome-session charsh

2012-08-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
 jchempaint is based on gtk, therefore, in principle, it might run on
 other window managers based on gtk. However, if not offered as
 precompiled (as within gnome), it is extremely arduous to compile.

The fact that a program uses Gtk has no influence on what kind of
window-manager you can use.  Most Gtk programs will work just as happily
under any window-manager, or no window-manager at all.

 for GPU cards, to accelerate very heavy processes. I never tried if a
 simple window manager provides adequate support to that.

Similarly, the window-manager does not provide access to the GPU.
It might *use* the GPU, just like your VMD program, but you definitely
do not need a 3D window-manager to be able to use programs that need
access to the GPU (if there is any interaction, it's more likely to be
that a 3D window-manager does not let other applications use the GPU
because it's already busy handling the needs of the window-manager).


Stefan


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Re: gnome-session charsh

2012-08-24 Thread Chris Swenson
I believe there's an option at install whether to install a GUI.

– Chris Swenson


On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Francesco Pietra chiendar...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi all:
 Since the latest gnome, the sequence startx gnome-session is often
 attended by hanging of linux at gnome-session with both i386 and
 amd64 wheezy. Gnome dislikes much more than in the past not be set
 completely free.

 I suggest that in Debian mirrors, gnome is so arranged that launching
 it be an optional. In computational chemistry/biochemistry,
 particularly with amd64, most work is at the linux prompt. Now, with
 the advent of CPU-GPU systems, the graphic interface is used with
 servers ans testing version, too. But only at certain stages.

 Thanks

 francesco pietra


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Re: gnome-session charsh

2012-08-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 08:37:10AM -0500, Chris Swenson wrote:
 I believe there's an option at install whether to install a GUI.

But is there one to choose which GUI?

-- hendrik

 
 – Chris Swenson
 
 
 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Francesco Pietra 
 chiendar...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  Hi all:
  Since the latest gnome, the sequence startx gnome-session is often
  attended by hanging of linux at gnome-session with both i386 and
  amd64 wheezy. Gnome dislikes much more than in the past not be set
  completely free.
 
  I suggest that in Debian mirrors, gnome is so arranged that launching
  it be an optional. In computational chemistry/biochemistry,
  particularly with amd64, most work is at the linux prompt. Now, with
  the advent of CPU-GPU systems, the graphic interface is used with
  servers ans testing version, too. But only at certain stages.
 
  Thanks
 
  francesco pietra
 
 
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