Re: status of native java JRE ?

[judd]

On  7 Jan, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 09:50 +1100, Alex Samad wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:25:11PM -0800, Max Alekseyev wrote:
>> > On Jan 7, 2008 1:43 PM, Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > > 32-bit java plugin via nspluginwrapper works fine in 64-bit
>> > > browsers. hadn't thought of that, just tried to install the
>> > > plugin in my chroot and it wants to install a whole bundle of
>> > > other stuff, including a browser.  Did you install all the
>> > > requirements ?
>> > 
>> > You don't need chroot for that. Installing ia32-libs or libc6-i386
>> > should be enough for running most of 32-bit apps under 64-bit
>> kernel. but how would I install the deb java-plugin into a amd64 env
>> (I am guessing force ?)
> 
> Disregard the previous email. Looks like it doesn't work.
> nspluginwrapper only works with the NPAPI interface, while the Java
> plugin uses OJI, which is not compatible. So no nspluginwrapper for
> Java unfortunately.
> 
> Though using the 1.4 blackdown amd64 plugin has worked fine for me.
> Not quite as shiny as Java 5/6, but it works just fine for most sites
> that I've tried.
> 

Another option is to install opera 32-bit (--force-architecture, no
chroot) with the necessary 32-bit libs, which works fine with the 32-bit
java jre.  I did this following instructions that I found somewhere on
the net (I have ia32-sun-java6 installed) and it works fine.  Note that
9.25 doesn´t seem to work with flashplugin, but 9.50 beta does.  IIRC,
you have to change the startup script slightly.  I think that there is a
64-bit Opera in the works, but have no idea when it will be available.

-Chris


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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Alex Samad]

On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:47:13PM -0800, Max Alekseyev wrote:
> On Jan 7, 2008 5:33 PM, Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:25:11PM -0800, Max Alekseyev wrote:
> > > > > > 32-bit java plugin via nspluginwrapper works fine in 64-bit 
> > > > > > browsers.
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Disregard the previous email. Looks like it doesn't work.
> > nspluginwrapper only works with the NPAPI interface, while the Java
> > plugin uses OJI, which is not compatible. So no nspluginwrapper for Java
> > unfortunately.
> 
> Oh, you're right. I'm taking back my words about java plugin support
> in nspluginwrapper. Currently it does not work with java:
> http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/
> Either java support was dropped at some point or I have mixed it up
> with some other plugin.
> Sorry for confusion.
bugger
> 
> Regards,
> Max
> 
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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Alex Samad]

On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 05:29:46PM -0800, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 09:50 +1100, Alex Samad wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:25:11PM -0800, Max Alekseyev wrote:
> > > On Jan 7, 2008 1:43 PM, Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --snip--
> > > You don't need chroot for that. Installing ia32-libs or libc6-i386
> > > should be enough for running most of 32-bit apps under 64-bit kernel.
> > but how would I install the deb java-plugin into a amd64 env (I am guessing 
> > force ?)
> 
> Just install ia32-sun-java[5|6]-bin and use the plugin from that.
silly me did not think to look for that
> 
> > > I think the plugin won't work without the rest of JRE package, so
> > > there is no sense to have a separate package for it.
> > > 
> > But it wouldn't need a 32 browser, just nspluginwrapper.  I guess I am
> > looking 
> > at making an easy way of installing 32bit java plugin on an amd64
> > debian box
> 
> See above. :)
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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Max Alekseyev]

On Jan 7, 2008 5:33 PM, Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:25:11PM -0800, Max Alekseyev wrote:
> > > > > 32-bit java plugin via nspluginwrapper works fine in 64-bit browsers.

[...]

> Disregard the previous email. Looks like it doesn't work.
> nspluginwrapper only works with the NPAPI interface, while the Java
> plugin uses OJI, which is not compatible. So no nspluginwrapper for Java
> unfortunately.

Oh, you're right. I'm taking back my words about java plugin support
in nspluginwrapper. Currently it does not work with java:
http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/
Either java support was dropped at some point or I have mixed it up
with some other plugin.
Sorry for confusion.

Regards,
Max


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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Alex Malinovich]

On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 09:50 +1100, Alex Samad wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:25:11PM -0800, Max Alekseyev wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 2008 1:43 PM, Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > > 32-bit java plugin via nspluginwrapper works fine in 64-bit browsers.
> > > hadn't thought of that, just tried to install the plugin in my chroot and 
> > > it
> > > wants to install a whole bundle of other stuff, including a browser.  Did 
> > > you
> > > install all the requirements ?
> > 
> > You don't need chroot for that. Installing ia32-libs or libc6-i386
> > should be enough for running most of 32-bit apps under 64-bit kernel.
> but how would I install the deb java-plugin into a amd64 env (I am guessing 
> force ?)

Disregard the previous email. Looks like it doesn't work.
nspluginwrapper only works with the NPAPI interface, while the Java
plugin uses OJI, which is not compatible. So no nspluginwrapper for Java
unfortunately.

Though using the 1.4 blackdown amd64 plugin has worked fine for me. Not
quite as shiny as Java 5/6, but it works just fine for most sites that
I've tried.

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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Alex Malinovich]

On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 09:50 +1100, Alex Samad wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:25:11PM -0800, Max Alekseyev wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 2008 1:43 PM, Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--snip--
> > You don't need chroot for that. Installing ia32-libs or libc6-i386
> > should be enough for running most of 32-bit apps under 64-bit kernel.
> but how would I install the deb java-plugin into a amd64 env (I am guessing 
> force ?)

Just install ia32-sun-java[5|6]-bin and use the plugin from that.

> > I think the plugin won't work without the rest of JRE package, so
> > there is no sense to have a separate package for it.
> > 
> But it wouldn't need a 32 browser, just nspluginwrapper.  I guess I am
> looking 
> at making an easy way of installing 32bit java plugin on an amd64
> debian box

See above. :)
 
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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Alex Samad]

On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:25:11PM -0800, Max Alekseyev wrote:
> On Jan 7, 2008 1:43 PM, Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > 32-bit java plugin via nspluginwrapper works fine in 64-bit browsers.
> > hadn't thought of that, just tried to install the plugin in my chroot and it
> > wants to install a whole bundle of other stuff, including a browser.  Did 
> > you
> > install all the requirements ?
> 
> You don't need chroot for that. Installing ia32-libs or libc6-i386
> should be enough for running most of 32-bit apps under 64-bit kernel.
but how would I install the deb java-plugin into a amd64 env (I am guessing 
force ?)
> 
> > Do you think it is worth a whish list request to make a amd64 package of the
> > i386 plugin  package ?
> 
> I think the plugin won't work without the rest of JRE package, so
> there is no sense to have a separate package for it.
> 
But it wouldn't need a 32 browser, just nspluginwrapper.  I guess I am looking 
at making an easy way of installing 32bit java plugin on an amd64 debian box

> Max
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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Max Alekseyev]

On Jan 7, 2008 1:43 PM, Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > 32-bit java plugin via nspluginwrapper works fine in 64-bit browsers.
> hadn't thought of that, just tried to install the plugin in my chroot and it
> wants to install a whole bundle of other stuff, including a browser.  Did you
> install all the requirements ?

You don't need chroot for that. Installing ia32-libs or libc6-i386
should be enough for running most of 32-bit apps under 64-bit kernel.

> Do you think it is worth a whish list request to make a amd64 package of the
> i386 plugin  package ?

I think the plugin won't work without the rest of JRE package, so
there is no sense to have a separate package for it.

Max


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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Heikki Levanto]

On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 10:57:49AM +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
> You can use konqueror, a 64-bit web browser that is able to use
> Sun java without a mozilla-style plugin. Many sites, especially
> java compliance test sites, works fine with this. As well as
> many java games.
> 
> Some sites do not work - stupid web designers sometimes assumes
> that java is running _as a plugin_, just as they sometimes
> assumes that you use IE.

Wow - I tried my netbank, and it just worked! (ok, some problem with the way
they calculate font sizes, so some frames are too small. I can live with
that). I had not even tried it before, since I "knew" that I could not
install Sun Java on the 64-bit system.

My to-do list is getting smaller every day! Hooray for Debian-amd64!

- Heikki

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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Alex Samad]

On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 09:35:39AM -0800, Max Alekseyev wrote:
> On Oct 27, 2007 4:10 PM, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > The sun desktop demo works fine so far - is there really no way to get sun 
> > java6 into iceweasel ?
> >
> > What is the recommendet approach ?
> 
> 32-bit java plugin via nspluginwrapper works fine in 64-bit browsers.
hadn't thought of that, just tried to install the plugin in my chroot and it 
wants to install a whole bundle of other stuff, including a browser.  Did you 
install all the requirements ?

Do you think it is worth a whish list request to make a amd64 package of the 
i386 plugin  package ?

alex
 
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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Max Alekseyev]

On Oct 27, 2007 4:10 PM, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The sun desktop demo works fine so far - is there really no way to get sun 
> java6 into iceweasel ?
>
> What is the recommendet approach ?

32-bit java plugin via nspluginwrapper works fine in 64-bit browsers.

Max


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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Alex Malinovich]

On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 10:57 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > Hey, 
> >
> > What's the status for native-amd64 java support for mozilla browsers in 
> > debian unstable today ?
> >
> > AFAIKS there's sun java5/6 jre and gij 4.2 but they have no browser plugin.
> >   
> You can use konqueror, a 64-bit web browser that is able to use
> Sun java without a mozilla-style plugin. Many sites, especially
> java compliance test sites, works fine with this. As well as
> many java games.
> 
> Some sites do not work - stupid web designers sometimes assumes
> that java is running _as a plugin_, just as they sometimes
> assumes that you use IE.

The only native Java PLUGIN for amd64 today is the Blackdown release of
1.4 from a couple of years ago. Blackdown has stopped work through, so
I'm not sure if you can still get the package directly from them.

Other than that, the current rumor is that a 64-bit plugin will be
available in Dolphin (Java 1.7. See
http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4802695 for more
details.)

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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Helge Hafting]

Michael wrote:
Hey, 


What's the status for native-amd64 java support for mozilla browsers in debian 
unstable today ?

AFAIKS there's sun java5/6 jre and gij 4.2 but they have no browser plugin.
  

You can use konqueror, a 64-bit web browser that is able to use
Sun java without a mozilla-style plugin. Many sites, especially
java compliance test sites, works fine with this. As well as
many java games.

Some sites do not work - stupid web designers sometimes assumes
that java is running _as a plugin_, just as they sometimes
assumes that you use IE.


Helge Hafting


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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Michael]

As example answer to my last question, here is a nice little java thingy that 
works with blackdown j2re:

 (mark a chart sect = zoom)

This one does not work:



(should popup a relationship graphic)



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Re: status of native java JRE ?

[Michael]

I found the GCJ Web Browser Plugin 0.95 (package gcjwebplugin)

It pops up with:

"GNU Classpath's security implementation is not complete.
HOSTILE APPLETS WILL STEAL AND/OR DESTROY YOUR DATA!"

and afterwards doesn't work either.

Probably i would be satisfied with only some rudimentary browser java support.
Does anybody have a link where i can test blackdown vs gij plugin ?






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