usermin/webmin
Dear maintainers, webmin and usermin were kicked off a long time ago, because of a lot of bugs and errors. How are things handled ? Do you look after some time, if things have changed, to get those packages back again ? Regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usermin/webmin
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 09:04:36PM +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: webmin and usermin were kicked off a long time ago, because of a lot of bugs and errors. How are things handled ? Do you look after some time, if things have changed, to get those packages back again ? Well the build system for webmin is a pain (well mainly the lack of one), and the debian package was a real mess before. I am not surprised no one wanted to maintain it anymore. I am not a fan of webmin, it's messy internal spagetti code style, the many required checks for which type of system it is on in order to deal with that distributions (and version) ways of doing things, or how darn slow that bloated perl code is, or how it is so tied to it's own web server that trying to run it on another web server doesn't work, etc. I do work with it a lot though since it is what the product I work on uses as its configuration interface (although heavily modified in some places). -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usermin/webmin in testing or sid
Am Sonntag, 17. September 2006 00:03 schrieb Anders Ellenshøj Andersen: Lørdag 16 september 2006 23:33 skrev Hans-J. Ullrich: Dear maintainers, some time ago, you told me according to my question, that usermin and webmin are no longer in the repository due to the bad code and some security holes. How will you handle it in the future ? The development on these application still goes on, and will there be a chance, to get it back into the repository ? Do you look on it from time to time ? How are those packages handled ? Gone forever ??? Nobody seems to want to maintain them. I guess that's the real showstopper AFAIK.. Hi Anders ! Well, that is a pity, as IMO the idea of webmin/usermin is quite well. It is a better thing, than yast in SuSE or linuxconf in RedHat, as it is web-based. I looked for it, and I wonderd about Debian/stable still has version 1.11 of usermin, and webmin still 1.180, while the officialversions are 1.23 for usermin and 1.29 for webmin. So, the Debian packages seem to me quite old. O.k., I can download them directly from the homepage, and so this is no problem for me ! Anyway, it would be nice, if these packages would be watched and could be in the repostory again, as I wrote above, the way of administrating using the way webmin does, is really a good thing. Maybe someone with better knowledge than me will adept the packages, this would be really nice ! I had a discussion on slashdot with one of the maintainers of virtualmin a while back, and they seem to be working on debian compliance and are seeking testers and bugreports. Well, I like to test it and think, other people would like to do it, too. But shooting from the hip I'd say it still needs some work. Every linux application will always need work. There is never an application, which will ever be finished. Anders best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usermin/webmin in testing or sid
Søndag 17 september 2006 15:49 skrev Hans-J. Ullrich: Well, that is a pity, as IMO the idea of webmin/usermin is quite well. It is a better thing, than yast in SuSE or linuxconf in RedHat, as it is web-based. Well my advice to you would be to try to find some guy with the necessary knowledge, who is willing to maintain it. Please note that most people who read this mailingliste are just regular users like you and me, so it might not be the best place to look. I looked for it, and I wonderd about Debian/stable still has version 1.11 of usermin, and webmin still 1.180, while the officialversions are 1.23 for usermin and 1.29 for webmin. So, the Debian packages seem to me quite old. This is normal. Once a Debian distribution is released as 'stable', it stops getting updates, except when it is necessary because of security issues. Since webmin is gone from unstable and testing, it won't even be in the next 'stable' Debian, so things are bound to get even worse. (Depending on how you look at it.. Apparently only few people seems to be missing it.. I can't really count myself as one of those, honestly..) O.k., I can download them directly from the homepage, and so this is no problem for me ! Anyway, it would be nice, if these packages would be watched and could be in the repostory again, as I wrote above, the way of administrating using the way webmin does, is really a good thing. All I can say is, try to find a maintainer who is willing to do the work. It won't be easy, let me tell you, since it's a big job, and there seems to be so little demand for the packages. Maybe someone with better knowledge than me will adept the packages, this would be really nice ! I had a discussion on slashdot with one of the maintainers of virtualmin a while back, and they seem to be working on debian compliance and are seeking testers and bugreports. Well, I like to test it and think, other people would like to do it, too. Let me see if I can put some structure into this task. Before it can go back into Debian, the following is needed. * The packages need to be 'ready' first. That means they have to do things 'the debian way' and not mess up the configuration files of other debian packages. This is the biggest job to accomplish. It has to happen before a new debian package can even be considered, as I understand it. The reason it got thrown out last time was that it didn't do things right, and the last maintainer didn't have the time or inclination to fix it. So someone has to take on the responsibility to test the raw system, and report bugs and if possible supply patches. This someone has to have some insight into how stuff are supposed to work in debian, so it's not a job for a newbie, to be blunt. * Once all this is in place and the stuff behaves properly, then it can be considered for debian. And then comes the difficult task of finding someone who is willing to maintain it. These are both big jobs, and it's the reason why I think chances are slim to none at seeing a debian package of webmin in the foreseable future. Sorry dude.. :) It's not that I don't think it would be very useful to have webmin in debian, but there are just so many stumble blocks for it to happen, that it's not really realistic, IMHO. Anders -- - Debian GNU/Linux - KDE 3.5.4 - KMail 1.9.3 -
usermin/webmin in testing or sid
Dear maintainers, some time ago, you told me according to my question, that usermin and webmin are no longer in the repository due to the bad code and some security holes. How will you handle it in the future ? The development on these application still goes on, and will there be a chance, to get it back into the repository ? Do you look on it from time to time ? How are those packages handled ? Gone forever ??? Thanks for your answers ! Best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usermin/webmin in testing or sid
Lørdag 16 september 2006 23:33 skrev Hans-J. Ullrich: Dear maintainers, some time ago, you told me according to my question, that usermin and webmin are no longer in the repository due to the bad code and some security holes. How will you handle it in the future ? The development on these application still goes on, and will there be a chance, to get it back into the repository ? Do you look on it from time to time ? How are those packages handled ? Gone forever ??? Nobody seems to want to maintain them. I guess that's the real showstopper AFAIK.. I had a discussion on slashdot with one of the maintainers of virtualmin a while back, and they seem to be working on debian compliance and are seeking testers and bugreports. But shooting from the hip I'd say it still needs some work. Anders -- - Debian GNU/Linux - KDE 3.5.4 - KMail 1.9.3 -
Usermin/webmin
Hello ! Where are usermin and webmin gone ? They are gone. Was there a license change ? Regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Usermin/webmin
fredag 26 maj 2006 19:19 skrev Hans-J. Ullrich: Hello ! Where are usermin and webmin gone ? They are gone. They were removed because the packages had numerous bugs and incompatibilities and inconsistencies in regard to Debian standard configurations and noone wanted to maintain or help fix the issues. Anders -- - Debian GNU/Linux - KDE 3.5.2 - KMail 1.9.1 - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
