Re: junk showing up in /emul/ia32-linux

2005-12-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:09:33AM -0800, Larry Doolittle wrote:
 Nope.  It's not 64-bit clean source code.  Besides, I'm
 an old TeX-head, and TeX works just fine.

Sounds like a great choice to me.

 Jo Shields wrote:
  or lilo/grub
 
 That's a strange special case, since I guess the BIOS jumps
 to the boot sector code in 32-bit mode.  I suppose in the long
 run I could fix that problem by running LinuxBIOS.

It isn't even 32bit mode when the boot loader starts.

 How did grub manage to get built before the days of
 /emul/ia32-linux?  And that need can hardly explain libg2c0-dev
 libgfortran0-dev.  Unless someone rewrote grub in Fortran when
 I wasn't looking.  ;-)
 
 Will multi-arch make the situation cleaner or dirtier for
 people like me who only want support for one arch variant?

I doubt it would be cleaner.

Len Sorensen


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Re: junk showing up in /emul/ia32-linux

2005-12-08 Thread Ken Bloom
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:09:33AM -0800, Larry Doolittle wrote:
 
Nope.  It's not 64-bit clean source code.  Besides, I'm
an old TeX-head, and TeX works just fine.
 
 
 Sounds like a great choice to me.
 
 
Jo Shields wrote:

or lilo/grub

That's a strange special case, since I guess the BIOS jumps
to the boot sector code in 32-bit mode.  I suppose in the long
run I could fix that problem by running LinuxBIOS.
 
 
 It isn't even 32bit mode when the boot loader starts.
 
 
How did grub manage to get built before the days of
/emul/ia32-linux?  And that need can hardly explain libg2c0-dev
libgfortran0-dev.  Unless someone rewrote grub in Fortran when
I wasn't looking.  ;-)

Will multi-arch make the situation cleaner or dirtier for
people like me who only want support for one arch variant?
 
 
 I doubt it would be cleaner.

At the very least you wouldn't need to overcome years of muscle memory
typing /etab for /etc. To me that's the wors thing about
/emul/ia32-linux -- they should have named it something else.


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Re: junk showing up in /emul/ia32-linux

2005-12-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Larry Doolittle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Friends -

 I have a really nice amd64 sid machine, which has run
 solidly for over a year now.  I really appreciate all
 the really hard work behind the scenes that keeps Debian
 unique and useful.

 I have never run a 32-bit binary on this computer, and
 don't see any reason to ... ever.  If it's not built from
 published, 64-bit clean source code, it doesn't belong on 
 my computer.

 Recently files have started showing up in /emul/ia32-linux.
 Offending packages are libg2c0-dev, fakeroot, and
 libgfortran0-dev.  I tried submitting bug reports for
 the first two: #341786 and #341788.  The latter got
 merged with the inverse bug (amd64 junk showing up on
 i386 machines), #323285, and tagged minor and wontfix.

 Shall I rm -rf /emul after every apt-get upgrade?
 Shouldn't there be a way to separate out compatibility
 cruft, either at the package or installer level?

  - Larry

libg2c0-dev and libgfortran0-dev need stuff in /emul to be able to
compile 32bit code. Splitting those few K of libs out into seperate
debs just so your /emul stays empty is probably more work and waste
then saved.

fakeroot absolutely needs the 32bit wraper libs so packages with 32bit
code still compile. Or do you want to give up lilo and grub and be
unable to boot in the future? Again, splitting the few K out into a
fakeroot32 is just unreasonable.

If you realy don't want the stuff use dpkg-divert to tell dpkg to
ignore those files.

MfG
Goswin


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Re: junk showing up in /emul/ia32-linux

2005-12-07 Thread Bernd Petrovitsch
On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 10:29 -0800, Larry Doolittle wrote:
[...]
 I have a really nice amd64 sid machine, which has run
[...]
 I have never run a 32-bit binary on this computer, and
 don't see any reason to ... ever.  If it's not built from

You apparently do not need OpenOffice.org.

 published, 64-bit clean source code, it doesn't belong on 
 my computer.

Bernd
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Re: junk showing up in /emul/ia32-linux

2005-12-07 Thread Jo Shields

Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:


On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 10:29 -0800, Larry Doolittle wrote:
[...]
 


I have a really nice amd64 sid machine, which has run
   


[...]
 


I have never run a 32-bit binary on this computer, and
don't see any reason to ... ever.  If it's not built from
   



You apparently do not need OpenOffice.org.

 

published, 64-bit clean source code, it doesn't belong on 
my computer.
   



Bernd
 


or lilo/grub


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junk showing up in /emul/ia32-linux

2005-12-06 Thread Larry Doolittle
Friends -

I have a really nice amd64 sid machine, which has run
solidly for over a year now.  I really appreciate all
the really hard work behind the scenes that keeps Debian
unique and useful.

I have never run a 32-bit binary on this computer, and
don't see any reason to ... ever.  If it's not built from
published, 64-bit clean source code, it doesn't belong on 
my computer.

Recently files have started showing up in /emul/ia32-linux.
Offending packages are libg2c0-dev, fakeroot, and
libgfortran0-dev.  I tried submitting bug reports for
the first two: #341786 and #341788.  The latter got
merged with the inverse bug (amd64 junk showing up on
i386 machines), #323285, and tagged minor and wontfix.

Shall I rm -rf /emul after every apt-get upgrade?
Shouldn't there be a way to separate out compatibility
cruft, either at the package or installer level?

 - Larry


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