Bug#383615: split out libaprutil1-dev sqlite, pgsql, ldap dependencies
On 8/21/06, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * "gmu 2k6" | it's not about disk space, it's about installing as few packages as | possible to have a clean selection with a minimum of update | needs/problems. | | if Debian is "the universal OS" then it should allow clean installs | without falling back to apt-build. This is a _development package_, not something which drags in lots of random on a nondeveloper's system. And even if it was, it's just a few libraries and nothing complicated. Compared with the extra overhead of maintaining a split libapr-dev, it's too much so we won't do it. | one of the major reasons I'm using Debian out of the binary | distros is that it allows me to install a minimal system and let | me decide which packages I want, most of the time. although | we are much better than RPM based distros which don't seem | to have a "Suggest" field some packages are not done right | regarding the features one can to enable/disable during | runtime. You can't disable the fact that libapr is linked with sqlite, postgres, ldap and more at runtime. as I proposed you could build additional packages which enable the db-backends. | just take the libwxgtk packages which requires esound, this | is only so because the packager did not split the package | in -base, -sound, etc. the point here is that wxWindows is | most likely used for the GUI abstraction and not for sound. | insert `apt-cache depends xchm` here. xchm doesn't depend on and sound on my system at least. $ apt-cache depends xchm xchm Depends: libc6 Depends: libchm1 Depends: libgcc1 Depends: libstdc++6 Depends: libwxbase2.6-0 Depends: libwxgtk2.6-0 Depends: libchm1 Conflicts: $ apt-cache depends libwxgtk2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 Depends: libatk1.0-0 Depends: libc6 |Depends: libesd0 Depends: libesd-alsa0 Depends: libexpat1 Depends: libfontconfig1 Depends: libgcc1 |Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx Depends: libgl1-mesa-directfb libgl1-mesa-glide3 libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-swx11 Depends: libglib2.0-0 |Depends: libglu1-mesa Depends: libglu1-mesa Depends: libgtk2.0-0 Depends: libjpeg62 Depends: libpango1.0-0 Depends: libpng12-0 Depends: libstdc++6 Depends: libtiff4 Depends: libwxbase2.6-0 Depends: libx11-6 | I'm using libaprutil1-dev to build Subversion >=1.3.x/1.4(rc) | and the dependency I saw with it is similar to installing some | font or graphics libs which require the whole Xorg baselibs | chain. I build Subversion, because Apache 2.2 is not in etch/sid | yet and so it is built against APR 1.0.x right now my own | -DLARGEFILE aka APR 1.2.x Subversion. btw, this does not | mean I'm using mod_dav_svn, svnserve is all I need as of know. You're aware that subversion 1.4rc is in experimental, right? no, I wasn't but maybe I should start pinning some experimental packages, thanks. I'm closing this bug since we have no interest in the extra overhead; sorry. you don't have to be sorry, we did at least discuss my issue with it and now that I see your point I know that it won't change and have to find a different way to cope with it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#383615: Fwd: Bug#383615: split out libaprutil1-dev sqlite, pgsql, ldap dependencies
-- Forwarded message -- From: gmu 2k6 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Aug 19, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Bug#383615: split out libaprutil1-dev sqlite, pgsql, ldap dependencies To: debian-apache@lists.debian.org On 8/19/06, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * "gmu 2k6" | I would like some of the libaprutil1-dev dependencies to be split | out to additional packages ala php-mysql so that the following | dependencies are optional and only installed by those who need. Why? I'm not inclined to do it for just a few files; disk space is cheap and even more so on development systems. it's not about disk space, it's about installing as few packages as possible to have a clean selection with a minimum of update needs/problems. if Debian is "the universal OS" then it should allow clean installs without falling back to apt-build. one of the major reasons I'm using Debian out of the binary distros is that it allows me to install a minimal system and let me decide which packages I want, most of the time. although we are much better than RPM based distros which don't seem to have a "Suggest" field some packages are not done right regarding the features one can to enable/disable during runtime. just take the libwxgtk packages which requires esound, this is only so because the packager did not split the package in -base, -sound, etc. the point here is that wxWindows is most likely used for the GUI abstraction and not for sound. insert `apt-cache depends xchm` here. I'm using libaprutil1-dev to build Subversion >=1.3.x/1.4(rc) and the dependency I saw with it is similar to installing some font or graphics libs which require the whole Xorg baselibs chain. I build Subversion, because Apache 2.2 is not in etch/sid yet and so it is built against APR 1.0.x right now my own -DLARGEFILE aka APR 1.2.x Subversion. btw, this does not mean I'm using mod_dav_svn, svnserve is all I need as of know. so what do you think? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#383615: split out libaprutil1-dev sqlite, pgsql, ldap dependencies
On 8/19/06, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * "gmu 2k6" | I would like some of the libaprutil1-dev dependencies to be split | out to additional packages ala php-mysql so that the following | dependencies are optional and only installed by those who need. Why? I'm not inclined to do it for just a few files; disk space is cheap and even more so on development systems. it's not about disk space, it's about installing as few packages as possible to have a clean selection with a minimum of update needs/problems. if Debian is "the universal OS" then it should allow clean installs without falling back to apt-build. one of the major reasons I'm using Debian out of the binary distros is that it allows me to install a minimal system and let me decide which packages I want, most of the time. although we are much better than RPM based distros which don't seem to have a "Suggest" field some packages are not done right regarding the features one can to enable/disable during runtime. just take the libwxgtk packages which requires esound, this is only so because the packager did not split the package in -base, -sound, etc. the point here is that wxWindows is most likely used for the GUI abstraction and not for sound. insert `apt-cache depends xchm` here. I'm using libaprutil1-dev to build Subversion >=1.3.x/1.4(rc) and the dependency I saw with it is similar to installing some font or graphics libs which require the whole Xorg baselibs chain. I build Subversion, because Apache 2.2 is not in etch/sid yet and so it is built against APR 1.0.x right now my own -DLARGEFILE aka APR 1.2.x Subversion. btw, this does not mean I'm using mod_dav_svn, svnserve is all I need as of know. so what do you think? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#383615: split out libaprutil1-dev sqlite, pgsql, ldap dependencies
Package: libaprutil1-dev Version: 1.2.7-2 Severity: wishlist I would like some of the libaprutil1-dev dependencies to be split out to additional packages ala php-mysql so that the following dependencies are optional and only installed by those who need. this could maybe be achieved by creating a libaprutil1-dev-base or -common and install the -sqlite package manually. users needing all packages could just install libaprutil1-dev like they do right now and get all dependencies without any change. libldap2-dev libsqlite3-dev libpq-dev libgdbm-dev libdb4.3-dev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
