Re: armbian for arm64's is 99% debian testing for arm64's.

[Diederik de Haas]

On Thursday, 29 December 2022 04:29:02 CET Paul Wise wrote:
> > Armbian != Debian.
> 
> While that is true, it seems that Armbian is an overlay derivative,
> which means that they just use Debian binaries for most packages,

While that is also true, Armbian does make their own kernel, with custom 
configuration and patches, and their own (patched) u-boot.
And IMO those are the 2 most important parts when it comes to whether hardware 
works or not and any issues that may stem from that.

So while technically it likely is true that armbian is 99% Debian, I would be 
cautious with inviting armbian users to Debian's support channels.

I don't foresee any issue with using 'dfu-util' from Debian though.

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Re: armbian for arm64's is 99% debian testing for arm64's.

[gene heskett]

On 12/28/22 22:41, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 4:17 PM gene heskett  wrote:


But its dfu-util is truly ancient at version 0.9
version 0.10 has been available for several years if I read ticket dates
on sourceforge correctly.

dfu-util-v0.9 on a banana pi m5, cannot do any dfu-utils duties. sudo
dfu-util -l only lists the authors, no dfu capable devices on the bpi5

Where can I get version 0.10? Or 0.11 if that is out?


The search results for "armbian package search" suck. The only hit is
a static page at https://www.armbian.com/kernel/ .

An 'apt-cache show dfu-util' shows some information, but not the
upstream source code repository.

It looks like Debian's dfu-util package page at
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/dfu-util says
dfu-util.sourceforge.net, but I am not sure how accurate it is for
Armbian. The Sourceforge pasy says the current release is 0.11.

Jeff
.
I'm the OP and what is in the recent armbian they claim is debian 
testing is 0.9, years old, and apparently hasn't a clue how to work with 
usb-3 ports like the bpi5 has 4 of. Yet octoprint works just fine thru 
the same port and cabling. Mutter.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: armbian for arm64's is 99% debian testing for arm64's.

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 4:17 PM gene heskett  wrote:
>
> But its dfu-util is truly ancient at version 0.9
> version 0.10 has been available for several years if I read ticket dates
> on sourceforge correctly.
>
> dfu-util-v0.9 on a banana pi m5, cannot do any dfu-utils duties. sudo
> dfu-util -l only lists the authors, no dfu capable devices on the bpi5
>
> Where can I get version 0.10? Or 0.11 if that is out?

The search results for "armbian package search" suck. The only hit is
a static page at https://www.armbian.com/kernel/ .

An 'apt-cache show dfu-util' shows some information, but not the
upstream source code repository.

It looks like Debian's dfu-util package page at
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/dfu-util says
dfu-util.sourceforge.net, but I am not sure how accurate it is for
Armbian. The Sourceforge pasy says the current release is 0.11.

Jeff

Re: armbian for arm64's is 99% debian testing for arm64's.

[Paul Wise]

On Wed, 2022-12-28 at 21:35 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 03:59:42PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> > But its dfu-util is truly ancient at version 0.9
> Armbian != Debian.

While that is true, it seems that Armbian is an overlay derivative,
which means that they just use Debian binaries for most packages,
including for dfu-util, so the problem being complained about (the
outdated packages in stable releases) is an issue in Debian too.

https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Armbian

None of the Armbian apt pools include dfu-util:

https://apt.armbian.com/armbian/apt/pool/main/

https://apt.armbian.com/armbian/apt/pool/sid-desktop/
https://apt.armbian.com/armbian/apt/pool/sid-utils/

The answer is as mentioned earlier; backports or unstable/testing.

https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/9b04ea86-c04a-62f0-1764-8e3292bc6...@physik.fu-berlin.de

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Re: armbian for arm64's is 99% debian testing for arm64's.

[gene heskett]

On 12/28/22 16:27, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

Hello Gene!

On 12/28/22 21:59, gene heskett wrote:

But its dfu-util is truly ancient at version 0.9
version 0.10 has been available for several years if I read ticket 
dates on sourceforge correctly.


dfu-util-v0.9 on a banana pi m5, cannot do any dfu-utils duties. sudo 
dfu-util -l only lists the authors, no dfu capable devices on the bpi5


Where can I get version 0.10? Or 0.11 if that is out?


Both Debian testing and unstable have 0.11, so you might want to update 
your

system to Debian testing or ask the maintainer to make an upload to Debian
Backports for Debian bullseye.

Adrian

I have 4 of the bpi5'd and I know how to run dd. Will the weekly work on 
a bpi5, gradually becoming bookworm if kept up to date?


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: armbian for arm64's is 99% debian testing for arm64's.

[Diederik de Haas]

On Wednesday, 28 December 2022 22:35:28 CET Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> hang out on IRC on debian-arm or debian-boot

Or #armbian on libera


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Re: armbian for arm64's is 99% debian testing for arm64's.

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 03:59:42PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

Hi Gene,

Armbian != Debian. What they may choose to do - who knows. They might even cause
a Wicked Witch of the West to appear and threaten Toto whenever there's a 
problem.

If you want support on the Banana Pi m5, you'll need to find someone else
who's got one / hang out on IRC on debian-arm or debian-boot and see
if you can find someone like Vagrant Cascadian to help (vagrantc).

Strictly, there's nothing we can do to help whatever they've done or not
done in Armbian or whatever hacks they've persuaded their board to work
with.

Their "Debian" image is still Buster.

Their Armbian image is listed as third party supplied - so they don't
necessarily know how to debug it ...

Ask at Armbian?

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater

> But its dfu-util is truly ancient at version 0.9
> version 0.10 has been available for several years if I read ticket dates on
> sourceforge correctly.
> 
> dfu-util-v0.9 on a banana pi m5, cannot do any dfu-utils duties. sudo
> dfu-util -l only lists the authors, no dfu capable devices on the bpi5
> 
> Where can I get version 0.10? Or 0.11 if that is out?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
> 

Re: armbian for arm64's is 99% debian testing for arm64's.

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

Hello Gene!

On 12/28/22 21:59, gene heskett wrote:

But its dfu-util is truly ancient at version 0.9
version 0.10 has been available for several years if I read ticket dates on 
sourceforge correctly.

dfu-util-v0.9 on a banana pi m5, cannot do any dfu-utils duties. sudo dfu-util 
-l only lists the authors, no dfu capable devices on the bpi5

Where can I get version 0.10? Or 0.11 if that is out?


Both Debian testing and unstable have 0.11, so you might want to update your
system to Debian testing or ask the maintainer to make an upload to Debian
Backports for Debian bullseye.

Adrian

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armbian for arm64's is 99% debian testing for arm64's.

[gene heskett]

But its dfu-util is truly ancient at version 0.9
version 0.10 has been available for several years if I read ticket dates 
on sourceforge correctly.


dfu-util-v0.9 on a banana pi m5, cannot do any dfu-utils duties. sudo 
dfu-util -l only lists the authors, no dfu capable devices on the bpi5


Where can I get version 0.10? Or 0.11 if that is out?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page