Re: External install modules and compacted libc

2000-09-25 Thread Stephen Zander

> "Glenn" == Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Glenn> Supporting unplanned binaries is the big problem with
Glenn> stripped libc, this may be a strange idea, would it be
Glenn> possible at runtime to detect if a binary has failed due to
Glenn> unsupported libc?

Sure, it will segfault with an unresolvable symbol error. :)  You can
force this to happen sooner rather than later in the execution by
using setting LD_BIND=now in the environment, IIRC.

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RE: Installing LILO.

2000-09-25 Thread Erwin Dondorp

Richard Swen scribbled:
> Is there a way to install lilo on an NTFS partition?

I'm not aware of any way to do this.

But if your goal is to get a dual boot Linux/Windows NT machine,
you might try the following:
- Install Windows NT as usual
- Install Linux as usual, do not install LILO as the MBR
- create a 512-byte file in the root of the NT FS called "/C/hda2.sec"
dd if=/dev/zero of=/C/hda2.sec count=1 bs=512
let's assume you mounted that FS under "/C",
and that hda1=WindowsNT, hda2=Linux
- Add/change the folowing lines in your lilo.conf:
boot=/C/hda2.sec
root=/dev/hda2
- Run lilo
- Add the following line to "/C/boot.ini":
C:\hda2.sec="Debian GNU/Linux"
- Of course you want to change the default in this file :-)
default=C:\hda2.sec
- Reboot and enjoy

I use the Windows NT to boot between 2 Windows NT flavours (4.0 and 2000),
Windows 98SE and 3 Linux flavours: "You can only beat the competition if you
know its weak points and learn from its strong points"

Erwin


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Installing LILO.

2000-09-25 Thread Richard Swen


Is there a way to install lilo on an NTFS partition?

Thank you,
Richard Swen


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Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-25 Thread Erik Andersen

On Mon Sep 25, 2000 at 12:26:07PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Martin Keegan wrote:
> 
> > Incidentally, what facilities currently exist for non-interactive partitioning?
> > Is there a dedicated tool for this, or should one do
> > 
> > /sbin/fdisk < scripted_responses
> > 
> 
>  /sbin/sfdisk 
> 
> It seems exacly be written for this.
> (But has only limited posibilities. Nothing like make everythin one large
> partition as I see it).

Last I looked at it, it had some gratuitous endianess issues though.
Perhaps it has gotten better...

 -Erik

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raid support in install cds

2000-09-25 Thread Robert Varga


I think a valuable addition to the debian install system would be a way to
be able to create raid arrays of partitions during the install, and use
them to install the debian system into. Also raid1 would be very useful to
be compiled into the kernel to be able to boot from a raid1 root
filesystem. Of course it also should be using the raid0.90 patches from
Molnar Ingo. Redhat 6.1 (or 6.2?, I don't know exactly, only it was done
in front of my eyes) contains the ability to install into raid1 root.

What it needs as far as I see is the following:

- 0.90 raid patches in the kernel
- the raidtools2 package in the installed system if raid partitions are
  selected 
- ability to setup and start raid system during install 
(raid modules to be loadable, maybe done already) 
- ability to create filesystems on /dev/md? devices (at least manually)
(requires the the appriopriate files from raidtools2 package in
 the installing system)
- ability to mount filesystems from /dev/md? devices
(at least manually, but preferable in the menus, not a big thing
 after all)
- raid1 compiled into the installed kernel not as module 
(to be able to boot from raid1 root)

- a lilo supporting boot from raid1-root in the install system 
(I think the current one is appropriate)

It is worth for at least another flavor of install CD, I think, and it
would save a lot of bother if considering the amount of work needed to
convert an existing system totally to raid with raid1 root. :) 

Regards,

Robert Varga


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Re: Poweredge 2400 Raid-5 booting debian

2000-09-25 Thread Ries van Twisk

Aacraid driver seems to work now.
I downloaded the 2.2.16-4 kernel which contains the aacraid driver.
Everythink is installing now, I only have to copy the right modules into 
the system.
I think it's going to be late today
So far

Ries


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Re: reporting problems with boot-floppies

2000-09-25 Thread Taketoshi Sano

The 2.2.17-2000-09-14 requires new base tar archive because of
the new wrapper script for more I18N support.

Please get the new base2_2.tgz from the specifid URL and use it 
when you test this new b-f.
Thanks.

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  on Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:00:35 -0700,
on Re: reporting problems with boot-floppies,
 Pann McCuaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Uh, apparently broken.
> 
> I tried the new ones, the 5-floppy set from


> http://auric.debian.org/~aph/bf/2.2.17-2000-09-14/>
> 
> with the following result:
> 
> Everything went smoothly until the first reboot (from a boot floppy),
> and this is where I was dead in the water:
> 
> -  schnipp!  -
> Starting internet supervisor: inetd.
> /bin/sh: /sbin/termwrap: No such file or directory
> /bin/sh: exec: /sbin/termwrap: cannot execute: No such file or directory
> ... (repeats several times) ...
> Init: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
> -  schnapp!  -
> (waits 5 minutes, fails again)

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  on Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:36:03 -0700,
on Re: reporting problems with boot-floppies,
 esoR ocsirF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hmmm,
> I too tried the images found at
> http://auric.debian.org/~aph/bf/2.2.17-2000-09-14/images-1.44/idepci/
~~
> Same problem, install went fine all the way through reboot, then bang!
> 
> lines read 
> 
> Starting internet superserver: inetd.
> /bin/sh: /sbin/termwrap: No such file or directory
> /bin/sh: exec: /sbin/termwrap: cannot execute: No such file or directory
> ... over and over...
> INIT: id "1" respawning to fast: disabled for 5 minutes

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replace your installer ??

2000-09-25 Thread Jobin, Mathieu

i think its really a good idea to replace your intaller. because its not
really easy to understad.

but, please, keep available all the custom things.


and more ;)


cya.


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Processed: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd)

2000-09-25 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System

Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> reassign 72327 bash
Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root
Bug reassigned from package `boot-floppies' to `bash'.

> retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root
Changed Bug title.

> thanks
Stopping processing here.

Please contact me if you need assistance.

Darren Benham
(administrator, Debian Bugs database)


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Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd)

2000-09-25 Thread Santiago Vila

reassign 72327 bash
retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
thanks

I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:20:02 +0200
From: Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root

Package: bash
Severity: normal

> File a bug on bash then...
> 
> [andersen@traveller src]$ ls -l /etc/skel/.bash_logout
> -rw-r--r--1 root root  174 Feb 20  2000 /etc/skel/.bash_logout
> [andersen@traveller src]$ cat /etc/skel/.bash_logout
> # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 

Lets do that.
The problem: bash should not clear the screen by default, it's imho
highly annoying behaviour. 

Wichert.

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Re: debinst: target media preperation

2000-09-25 Thread Bernhard R. Link



On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Joey Hess wrote:

> > Calling (s|f)?fdisk or whatever has the advantage of
> > well-tested-and-proofen code and user-interface. I think it should at
> > least be callable to do so. 
> 
> I agree. Especially since I don't think debconf is really up to the job
> of a full-fledged disk partitioner UI.
> 
> > On the other hand, if some module of the installer does the work, the
> > user could make it choices for partinating within the the same ui and
> > it could also be included in an installation-database on some server.
> 
> One way to go about this is cfdisk could be run, then a program could
> look to see what partitions had been set up, and record that
> information. If a later, automated install were done, it would use
> command-line disk partitioning tools (sfdisk?) to replicate the
> partition setup.


That's an idea. sfdisk is very nice for duplicating.
But one had to ensure that the disks have the same geometry.



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Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-25 Thread Bernhard R. Link



On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Martin Keegan wrote:

> Incidentally, what facilities currently exist for non-interactive partitioning?
> Is there a dedicated tool for this, or should one do
> 
> /sbin/fdisk < scripted_responses
> 

 /sbin/sfdisk 

It seems exacly be written for this.
(But has only limited posibilities. Nothing like make everythin one large
partition as I see it).


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Vs: Debian 2.2 installproblems

2000-09-25 Thread Martti Hamunen


- Original Message - 
From: Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Martti Hamunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Debian 2.2 installproblems
Ok!
Thanks for your informatin.
Martti Hamunen


> "Martti Hamunen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I have just installed Debian 2.2.
> > I cannot use chmod/chown so I could use network (pppconfig,
> > pon, poff...) as user. Help please!
> 
> Look at the 'sudo' and 'super' packages -- they allow users to run
> certain command as root.
> 
> > And another questions:
> > Why gnome dont work correctly, when I have installed gdm.
> > When I open gnome/gdm so "gnomewindows" dont move
> > at all with the mouse and the upper in the windows is light.
> > But if I start enlightenment in gnome so windows work right.
> >
> > Why the langueselect dont work in the gnome?
> > I cannot select the finnish language.
> 
> You'd have to ask the package maintainers.  On this list we only deal
> with the installation system.
> 
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Re: External install modules and compacted libc

2000-09-25 Thread Torsten Landschoff

On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 10:27:27AM +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote:
> We can still have a non-striped libc (minus option?) in a module that
> could be installed if it was needed. Library reduction is really only
> critical for modules that will go on a boot/root floppy, modules that
> will be sourced post bootup are less critical on space, it is likely
> further modules will be residing on hard disk, cd or via the network. We
> have to install the full libc sometime.

Sure. 

> Supporting unplanned binaries is the big problem with stripped libc,
> this may be a strange idea, would it be possible at runtime to detect if
> a binary has failed due to unsupported libc?
> 
> If we could detect the problem we could (try to) install the non-striped
> libc, a bit like auto-apt. 

I don't think that would be helpful. I'd say install the full libc as early
as possible. If anything fails before we can access an install media we 
are doomed.

> > If the module comes on CD I see no problem with including the libc.
> > 
> If there is a dependency heirarchy in the modules, then the libc symbols
> included would only have to be those symbols not suplied by previous
> modules.

Now that would be a really ugly hack :)

cu
Torsten


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[dmcgahon@iol.ie: Blind debian users]

2000-09-25 Thread Torsten Landschoff

Hi *, 

I got this suggestion by personal mail. Unfortunately I can't act on 
this since I have only a week left in Berlin and a lot of stuff to code. 
So I am passing it to the list so it is a least recorded...

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From: Dermot McGahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:30:29 +0100 (IST)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Blind debian users
X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid


Torsten,

A good person to ask would be the guy running the Ocularis project at
sourceforge. They are putting together a linux distribution for blind
users and I'm sure that one of the developers would do some Debian
installation testing.

http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/Ocularis

Dermot.
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Re: Poweredge 2400 Raid-5 booting debian

2000-09-25 Thread NOKUBI Takatsugu

Recently, I had to install Debian to Poweredge 2450 with PERC3.

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Last think
>> I copyed the percraid.o and aic7xxx.o modules to a single floppy also 
>> from the RH source dowloaded all from dell (somewhere on 
>> http://support.dell.com/filelib)

PERC3 can drive aacraid driver. aacraid patch is included in Red Hat's
rawhide kernel. So I made a installer image with it. It is available
at:
http://www.eal.or.jp/~nokubi/aacraid-disk/
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