Re: Extended floppy : summary
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 01:19:17PM -0700, Tim Riker wrote: I have not found many systems that implement the "hard disk" El Torito image other that the ia64 based systems I've used. I have found that 2.88 emulation is in almost all BIOSes that support El Torito at all. I would _not_ expect that these systems would handle a hybrid format. Only the ones listed above. So back to the recommendation, one 2.88 floppy which is also used as the El Torito image, and 2 or more 1.44 meg floppies for floppy boot. Other sizes considered harmful. Finally agreed. -- Thierry LARONDE, Centre de Ressources Informatiques, Archamps - France http://www.cri74.org PingOO, serveur de com sur distribution GNU/Linux: http://www.pingoo.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stuff I can work on - Woody branch
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 11:36:00AM +0100, Andreas Fuchs wrote: On 2001-02-24, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - eliminate lilo configuration ? - go with grub ? Does GRUB work with Reiser FS yet? LILO should, because of its design. ,[ /usr/share/doc/grub/changelog.Debian.gz ] | grub (0.5.95) unstable; urgency=low | | * ReiserFS support from Jochen Hoenicke. ` So, at least in sid, it does. The cvs version (0.5.97 --- the next one should be 1.0) is stable enough, and GRUB handle symbolic in ReiserFS too. The bigger problem would be raid support, and non-x86 architectures, AFAIK. Also, Grub is a space hog, see the list archives for further info on that (there was a discussion on this topic a couple of days ago). I have made some test, and we can reduce GRUB size to 60 Ko, keeping the ability to let the GRUB self-installable (once the appropriate files are installable). IMHO, we should go the GRUB way, since when the debian-installer is officially used, GRUB will be "smaller". -- Thierry LARONDE, Centre de Ressources Informatiques, Archamps - France http://www.cri74.org PingOO, serveur de com sur distribution GNU/Linux: http://www.pingoo.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stuff I can work on - Woody branch
On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:41:00PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: - our hacked version of newt and slang have been removed. Any necessary changes need to propogate into woody ! I first put NEWT into the installer long ago, so I have some experience with it. Any clue about what changes are necessary? IIRC it was patched to support UTF-8 which we need for an i18n-ed b-f. Marcin -- Marcin Owsiany [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://student.uci.agh.edu.pl/~porridge/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing woody boot/install process
I'm having a bit of trouble on the stage two install. I had no trouble using my CD-ROM on the base installation, althought it is remotely possible that the drive has failed since then (I sure hope not!). The first indication that something was wrong can be seen on the attached .png file "BadCD.png", which says that no CD was found in the drive, although the original CD with the base tarball, and boot/root floppies, was still in the drive (a SCSI toaster configured with VMware as device /dev/scd0 used as an ATAPI interface for the virtual /dev/hdc). When I choose the cdrom selection on the apt method screen, the results are found on screen shot attached as CDError.png. It seems there is some timeing problem with the drive, although I've gotten this kind of error on bad CDs. This particular CD has installed on this and other machines in the past, so I'm not ready to declare a new hardware problem on my machine. Any ideas what I can do about this, other than bying a real ATAPI drive? So far the install is looking pretty good. Thanks, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of "The Debian Linux User's Guide" _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- See www.linuxpress.com for more details _-_-_-_-_-_-_- BadCD.png CDError.png
Bug#87679: Mini-ISO for net-install CD
Note also that a "legacy-free" system usually isn't just USB-only, it is also cdrom-only. (In fact, if I can figure out where woody boot-floppies went, I want to try and hack on a USB-only (or better yet, one supporting either) boot cd for that very reason...) Note also that (1) cdr media is cheaper than floppies [a local computer club that has a "public" writer buys the media in quantity for 9c/ea, and sells them via the Coke fridge (same price, incidentally making money at it :-) ] and (2) business-card cdr media has gotten way cheap, and would be a better initial-install experience than download-to-floppy... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting to floppy
Hallo Kenney, The boot-floppies are indeed for all architectures. But for this question, debian-powerpc is a better place to ask. ( there CC-ed ) At 20:25 +0100 2/26/01, Kenney Mark wrote: All, I want to install Debian on a Mac, and can get my Power Macintosh 8500/120 to the Open Firmware boot prompt, but cannot find any documentation that tells me how to boot the "rescue floppy" from the boot prompt to start my Debian 2.2 installation. I'm guessing it's something like "boot fd:0"? Your help would be greatly appreciated... Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Groet Geert Stappers - Hit the right key to continue -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting to floppy
Welcome to the powerpc boot floppy fiasco. The rescue floppy will only work on New World macs, and yours is an old world. The boot-floppy-hfs.img file is the image of a bootable floppy for the old world macs for install purposes, but it has a keyboard issue and doesn't work without some modifications, and then only if you have quick hands! See the list archives at http://lists.debian.org for more info on that. The best way to go is if you have MacOS on the machine, and use the `BootX' option, which is documented enough in the install docs for the powerpc port. a Geert Stappers wrote: Hallo Kenney, The boot-floppies are indeed for all architectures. But for this question, debian-powerpc is a better place to ask. ( there CC-ed ) At 20:25 +0100 2/26/01, Kenney Mark wrote: All, I want to install Debian on a Mac, and can get my Power Macintosh 8500/120 to the Open Firmware boot prompt, but cannot find any documentation that tells me how to boot the "rescue floppy" from the boot prompt to start my Debian 2.2 installation. I'm guessing it's something like "boot fd:0"? Your help would be greatly appreciated... Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Groet Geert Stappers - Hit the right key to continue -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting to floppy
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 02:28:55PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote: Welcome to the powerpc boot floppy fiasco. The rescue floppy will only work on New World macs, and yours is an old world. The That's just not true. The rescue floppy is not meant to be booted off of on this architecture at all. New World macs don't have a floppy drive. You mean the boot CD only works on New World. -- Daniel Jacobowitz Debian GNU/Linux Developer Monta Vista Software Debian Security Team -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting to floppy
Um, yeah, that must be what I meant. Actually, what I meant is this: the docs constantly talk about booting the rescue floppy for this that and the other. But the "rescue" floppy for the powerpc port is an ext2 file system, and doesn't boot at all on old world macs, and I just assumed that it must be for new world macs. If not, then the rescue floppy image is a complete hoax for powerpc. Maybe it is anyway. Obviously the constant references to the rescue floppy in the docs are because the docs are just recycled i386 docs, which is fine, but really, there should be something that says that there is no real rescue floppy for powerpc. At least, there isn't a single floppy that boots to a prompt, unless you count "Insert root file system floppy now and hit return". So what I'm saying is that if you have an old world mac, the docs and the install procedure are quite broken, and yes, I've already volunteered to fix them. One thing at a time, though. You lucky newworld macs can just boot from the CD. Sigh. a Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 02:28:55PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote: Welcome to the powerpc boot floppy fiasco. The rescue floppy will only work on New World macs, and yours is an old world. The That's just not true. The rescue floppy is not meant to be booted off of on this architecture at all. New World macs don't have a floppy drive. You mean the boot CD only works on New World. -- Daniel Jacobowitz Debian GNU/Linux Developer Monta Vista Software Debian Security Team -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting to floppy
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 02:48:40PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote: Um, yeah, that must be what I meant. Actually, what I meant is this: the docs constantly talk about booting the rescue floppy for this that and the other. But the "rescue" floppy for the powerpc port is an ext2 file system, and doesn't boot at all on old world macs, and I just assumed that it must be for new world macs. If not, then the rescue floppy image is a complete hoax for powerpc. the rescue floppy has only one purpose on powerpc, and that is to provide the kernel image that is installed in the `install OS and kernel modules' step. the bootable rescue floppy for oldworld macs is the hfs-boot.img (or whatever its called). Maybe it is anyway. Obviously the constant references to the rescue floppy in the docs are because the docs are just recycled i386 docs, which is fine, but really, there should be something that says that there is no real rescue floppy for powerpc. At least, there isn't a there is one, boot-hfs.img, except its broken in current boot floppies... there is no boot floppy for newworlds since no newworld has a floppy drive. single floppy that boots to a prompt, unless you count "Insert root file system floppy now and hit return". that is exactly how x86 rescue floppies work. So what I'm saying is that if you have an old world mac, the docs and the install procedure are quite broken, and yes, I've already volunteered to fix them. One thing at a time, though. unless someone figures out how to fix the oldworld boot floppies im not sure there is a point in documenting them :( You lucky newworld macs can just boot from the CD. Sigh. yup, newworlds actually have a implementation of OF that works (for the most part). -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ PGP signature
Re: Booting to floppy
Ethan Benson wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 02:48:40PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote: Um, yeah, that must be what I meant. Actually, what I meant is this: the docs constantly talk about booting the rescue floppy for this that and the other. But the "rescue" floppy for the powerpc port is an ext2 file system, and doesn't boot at all on old world macs, and I just assumed that it must be for new world macs. If not, then the rescue floppy image is a complete hoax for powerpc. the rescue floppy has only one purpose on powerpc, and that is to provide the kernel image that is installed in the `install OS and kernel modules' step. the bootable rescue floppy for oldworld macs is the hfs-boot.img (or whatever its called). I've never needed rescue.bin for that. Granted I've only done two installs. ~:^) But there are two images called driver-1.bin and driver-2.bin which one might guess have drivers on them. Never used those either. Maybe it is anyway. Obviously the constant references to the rescue floppy in the docs are because the docs are just recycled i386 docs, which is fine, but really, there should be something that says that there is no real rescue floppy for powerpc. At least, there isn't a there is one, boot-hfs.img, except its broken in current boot floppies... there is no boot floppy for newworlds since no newworld has a floppy drive. single floppy that boots to a prompt, unless you count "Insert root file system floppy now and hit return". that is exactly how x86 rescue floppies work. Well, no, actually. It boots up to a lilo prompt from which you can mount your hard disk's root directory and like that. There are two floppy images in the powerpc dist that might be mentioned. One is called rescue.bin, the other boot-floppy-hfs.img, and hence a newbie might easily think that the former is the rescue floppy mentioned often in the docs, but is not bootable on old world macs, it is an ext2 file system, actually. Maybe not bootable on any macs since people keep saying that newworld macs don't have floppy. Maybe they work on some other powerpc platforms, I don't know. So what I'm saying is that if you have an old world mac, the docs and the install procedure are quite broken, and yes, I've already volunteered to fix them. One thing at a time, though. unless someone figures out how to fix the oldworld boot floppies im not sure there is a point in documenting them :( Uh, okay. I'm trying to see if I can build one with 2.2.18 that works. It may be a few days, however, as my fastest mac isn't fast. Maybe I should create a cross compile gcc on my x86 laptop a -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting to floppy
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:21:18PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote: I've never needed rescue.bin for that. Granted I've only done two installs. ~:^) But there are two images called driver-1.bin and driver-2.bin which one might guess have drivers on them. Never used those either. every install i have done on intel, powerpc and sparc has required rescue.bin and drivers.tgz. driver-1.bin is drivers.tgz split into 3 or 4 floppies. you either use the split floppies or the single tarball. but rescue.bin has always been required unless you skip the kernel install step. (which won't make for a bootable system) Well, no, actually. It boots up to a lilo prompt from which you can mount your hard disk's root directory and like that. syslinux actually. and it can take a root= argument but if you don't give a root= argument you get a root disk prompt. There are two floppy images in the powerpc dist that might be mentioned. One is called rescue.bin, the other boot-floppy-hfs.img, and hence a newbie might easily think that the former is the rescue floppy mentioned often in the docs, but is not bootable on old world macs, it is an ext2 file system, actually. Maybe not bootable on any macs since people keep saying that newworld macs don't have floppy. Maybe they work on some other powerpc platforms, I don't know. rescue.bin is not bootable on anything. about the only thoeretical way to make it bootable is by installing quik on the floppy, but i rather doubt that would work. the only reason there is a rescue.bin is becuase dbootstrap expects it for the kernel installation step. and as we all know the bootfloppies code sucks balls, its simpler to just make a bogus rescue.bin then to fsck around to kludge it into using a hfs image. debian-installer should/hopefully/will have a cleaner method to deal with these cross archetecture isses. Uh, okay. I'm trying to see if I can build one with 2.2.18 that works. It may be a few days, however, as my fastest mac isn't fast. Maybe I should create a cross compile gcc on my x86 laptop building a cross compiler will take longer then recompiling the boot floppies a hundred times on a 7200 ;-) (well unless your a compiler god maybe) i haven't heard anything particularly hopefull about the hfs boot floppy, since Dan nor the top tier powerpc kernel hackers have any idea whats wrong... still i hope it gets worked out, being able to install debian on a macos free oldworld is quite valuable. just my crazy suggestion, if you can't get the keyboard to work right for the rootdisk prompt, what about changing it to wait 10 or 15 seconds for a rootdisk insertion and then continuing? would that be difficult/messy to implement? -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ PGP signature
Re: Booting to floppy
just my crazy suggestion, if you can't get the keyboard to work right for the rootdisk prompt, what about changing it to wait 10 or 15 seconds for a rootdisk insertion and then continuing? would that be difficult/messy to implement? Well, the standard Mac way of doing things is the check the floppy status and to read whatever gets inserted. That, of course, assumes the floppy hardware provides that information. Actually, i wish the i386 installer would do that, it would save alot of hassle. -- Tovar (who remembers programming the 128K Mac) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
