Re: Debian boot-floppies cvs now working

2001-03-12 Thread Philip Charles

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, David Whedon wrote:

 Thanks for bringing to my attention the problem with Debian boot-floppies cvs.
 I believe the problem to be now fixed.  Please try to checkout the woody branch
 again and let me know if you experience difficulties.
 
Working fine.

Phil.

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Re: Debian boot-floppies cvs now working

2001-03-12 Thread Stefan Nobis

David Whedon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I believe the problem to be now fixed.  Please try to checkout the woody branch
 again and let me know if you experience difficulties.

Works fine. Thanks.

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Re: Installing from scratch with debs

2001-03-12 Thread Petr ech

On Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 04:59:53PM -0600 , Gordon Sadler wrote:
 I'm not 100% clear why Debian has Priority: required ... and
 Essential: yes, seems there is probably a historical reason. It would
 probably be less confusing/complex to use just one to designate both.

no. Essential: yes is there so you don't have to depend on them. And it's
twice as hard to remove them
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whats with modutils-basic udeb ?

2001-03-12 Thread Glenn McGrath

the build utility fails because modutils-basic cant be found, what the
status, or plan of attack for this udeb ?

Glenn


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Re: whats with modutils-basic udeb ?

2001-03-12 Thread David Whedon

We're still waiting for it to appear in the archive.  Wichert is working on it.
though I don't know when it will appear:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=83608repeatmerged=yes

In the meantime I just put a version that will probably work at:
http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/

I changed the name from modutils-udeb (what I used to call it) to modutils-basic
(what it will be called when it appears in the archive).  Shouldn't have messed
anything up, just thought I'd let you know in case something is wierd.

David


Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 11:32:49PM +1100 wrote:
 the build utility fails because modutils-basic cant be found, what the
 status, or plan of attack for this udeb ?
 
 Glenn
 
 
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debootstrap_0.1.1

2001-03-12 Thread Christian T. Steigies

Hi,
trying to build woody-bf on m68k:

make release
[...]
make[1]: Entering directory /build/cts/boot-floppies'
./rootdisk.sh "" /archive/debian/download 3700 2.3 "atari" C "" 
I: ld.so on this architecture is ld.so.1
I: single locale mode (USE_LANGUAGE_CHOOSER = false)
I: downloading required packages
E: Couldn't find package debootstrap
E: ./rootdisk.sh abort

Automatic build of debootstrap_0.1.1.dsc on kullervo by sbuild 1.152
Build started at 20010312-1740
**
Fetching .dsc file...
debootstrap_0.1.1.dsc: m68k not in arch list: i386 -- skipping
**
Finished at 20010312-1740
Build needed 00:00:00, 0k disk space

So, does m68k need debootstrap or not? Can somebody please fix one or the
other or both?

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Re: debootstrap_0.1.1

2001-03-12 Thread David Whedon

Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 05:42:28PM +0100 wrote:
 Hi,
 trying to build woody-bf on m68k:
 
 make release
 [...]
 make[1]: Entering directory /build/cts/boot-floppies'
 ./rootdisk.sh "" /archive/debian/download 3700 2.3 "atari" C "" 
 I: ld.so on this architecture is ld.so.1
 I: single locale mode (USE_LANGUAGE_CHOOSER = false)
 I: downloading required packages
 E: Couldn't find package debootstrap
 E: ./rootdisk.sh abort
 
 Automatic build of debootstrap_0.1.1.dsc on kullervo by sbuild 1.152
 Build started at 20010312-1740
 **
 Fetching .dsc file...
 debootstrap_0.1.1.dsc: m68k not in arch list: i386 -- skipping
 **
 Finished at 20010312-1740
 Build needed 00:00:00, 0k disk space
 
 So, does m68k need debootstrap or not? 
All archs will need debootstrap.

 Can somebody please fix one or the
 other or both?
From the debootstrap README.Debian:

---
Notes
-

This is kind of rought at the moment: it installs a chrooted debian system
okay (either potato or woody, not sid or slink though), but:

* only works for i386 at the moment. should be fairly easy to adapt
---

In fact the woody bootstrap fails on i386 right now too, but potato works.

Somebody with root on the various archs needs to make it work on their arch.


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Re: Impressions on using the debian potato installation Cds

2001-03-12 Thread Dan Jacobson

 "J" == John H Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I use chrony on my other linux distribution.  please ask the user if
 he agrees to writing the software clock to the hardware clock before
 doing this in the rc. scripts!  the first time we notice it it is too
 late.

J during the install, you are asked if the real time clock is set to
J localtime or GMT. it does not actually set the hardware clock.

well, I chose localtime. But in any case, at least add the warning
"please note: the file /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh will copy the software
clock time to the hardware clock at each shutdown of this system.  If
this will interfere with other timekeeping procedures you are already
using, you might consider editing that file to prevent that action."

 ALT F2 shell window of ramdisk: I set set -o emacs but still couldn't
 use ^P

J the shell on the boot-floppies is ash, not bash. ash has no sense of history.
J i beleive the shell warns you of this when you start it.

I think I even saw misleading
$ set -o
output too :-(

 v19 emacs the default?! how about a newer default

J emacs19, emacs20, and xemacs21 are all available in the potato (stable)

hmm, it could have asked me 'which one would you like the command
"emacs" to refer too' or something

 before writing any files on the hard disk, please ask about the time zone
 or something.  the installation leaves files that seem 8 hrs younger
 than now [I'm a Taiwan localtime user ]

J time stamps are written in GMT. if you correctly answered the question
J about if the RTC is set to GMT or localtime, then the timestamps should
J be correct.

well, I think lots of stuff is written to disk before that
question[?], now looking at /etc/* it looks like I was installing that
night, not in the daytime!  Same happened with mandrake.  Let's get it
straight before the first file is written!

I'm not to sure what is going on, but for us localtime folks that's
what happens on linux installations.  After the fisrt reboot one
realizes the first set of files written assumed gmt or something.

 red/blue for default choice might not always work for perhaps
 color blind on your yes no questions.

J a black/white screen is also available. one of the first questions you
J are asked is color or b/w. (default is color)

maybe throw in an underline or arrow or something just in
case... well, I'm just thinking one day there will be a user in whose'
culture certain colors have different habitual meanings... ok never mind.

 I'm actually glad that x windows isn't a requirement to run your
 installer script.

J me too.

And thanks for [already] answering this... at least i know somebody's
home... a basic requirement for further debian exploration confidence
:-)

 no message on how to redo screwed up parts of the install from the shell

J in the install itself (before the reboot) you can go back in the menu
J and correct almost any step you might have made a mistake on.

[I was thinking of for after the reboot]
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Re: Impressions on using the debian potato installation Cds

2001-03-12 Thread Erik Andersen

On Mon Mar 12, 2001 at 10:39:53AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
  v19 emacs the default?! how about a newer default
 
 J emacs19, emacs20, and xemacs21 are all available in the potato (stable)
 
 hmm, it could have asked me 'which one would you like the command
 "emacs" to refer too' or something

As long as "sl" is in the options list, I'd be ok with that. :-)

 -Erik

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Re: Link cfdisk with libncurses instead of slang?

2001-03-12 Thread Erik Andersen

On Mon Mar 12, 2001 at 12:40:25PM -0600, Joey Hess wrote:
 Erik Andersen wrote:
  Indeed.  Furthermore, when running mklibs.sh on slang, we get a very nice small
  library.  For ncurses, it doesn't reduce well at all, so we end up with quite a
  size problem on the boot floppies when using ncurses.
 
 This is because we don't have a ncurses-pic library.

Well, that is a start, but I don't think it will be sufficient.  In the past 
when I have compiled up a pic version of ncurses, compled up a basic curses
installer app and reduced it, libncurses did not reduce well at all.  I can't
recall the numbers off the top of my head, but I seem to recall the difference 
between reduced libncurses and reduced slang being like 100-200k...

It is worth a test I suppose.  I'd be glad to be proven wrong/forgetful,

 -Erik

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Bug#87679: netinst image is available

2001-03-12 Thread Kevin Turner

/msg apt netinst?

apt [netinst] ftp://ftp.ct2600.org/pub/debian/install/ . It's a 32M bootable
ISO which installs the base Debian system.  During the 'apt' configuration
phase, it will tell you that you don't have a valid CD. Ignore that, then give
it regular internet sources so you can install packages beyond the basic
system.



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