Re: more space spared in e2fsprogs-bf

[Thierry Laronde]

On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:17:43AM +0200, Yann Dirson wrote:
> Hi all,

Hello,
> 
> I wanted to checked what "gcc -Os" could do to help us in our Holy
> Cruisade for Disk Space.  Here are my results for i386:
> 
> e2fsprogs-1.21+1.22-WIP-0620/debian[682]$ du -sb e2fsprogs-bf-*
> 364544e2fsprogs-bf-O2
> 356352e2fsprogs-bf-Os
> e2fsprogs-1.21+1.22-WIP-0620/debian[683]$ find e2fsprogs-bf-O2 -type f | xargs cat | 
>wc -c
>  499620
> e2fsprogs-1.21+1.22-WIP-0620/debian[684]$ find e2fsprogs-bf-Os -type f | xargs cat | 
>wc -c
>  496904
> 
> /me still wonders in which files there are holes, that could account
> for the fact that the raw files are larger than the space that they,
> their symlinks, and their dir tree take on my 4k-blocks filesystem,
> but clearly there are a couple of KBs to take here.

You can also strip out the unneeded sections of the ELF format (namely
.note, .comment, .note.ABI-tag, perhaps others depending on what has been
put in the ELF file). Passing -fno-inline could save some other space.

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Re: more space spared in e2fsprogs-bf

[Yann Dirson]

On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:41:55AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Unless you have objections, I'll build e2fsprogs-bf with -Os.
> > Probably many other packages would benefit from this flag as well...
> 
> Sounds good to me.  
> 
> Oh, I heard a rumor this package is having trouble building in
> non-i386 arches.  Hopefully you can look at addressing that quickly,
> because I can't really adopt this package in boot-floppies until it's
> built for all arches.

Ted has been given an account on vore to look at it.
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po by aph

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Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po
who:aph
time:   Thu Jun 21 22:44:18 PDT 2001


Log Message:

I'm sick of this broken file; someone can pull it out of the CVS attic if they are 
going to fix it, but we can't have this broken thing lying around any more

Files:

removed:zh_TW.po


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Repository: boot-floppies
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time:   Thu Jun 21 22:41:53 PDT 2001


Log Message:

results from testing today.  Here are the non-cosmetic bad bugs added:

- when formatting partitions, the bad block scan option is not working

- PCMCIA isn't working on PowerPC; it's possible it's trying to load
  modules which are inappropriate for that arch, that it's just broken,
  or that powerpc doesn't include the right drivers in the driver disks.

- Adam is getting 'mount -t proc proc /proc' failures during the
  dbootstrap phase; he will investigate more


Files:

changed:todo


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po by aph

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Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po
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time:   Thu Jun 21 22:22:44 PDT 2001


Log Message:

remove the options for installing potato or slink, since that's not
really supported nor tested anyhow; default if quiet is always woody

builds but not tested


Files:

changed:cs.po da.po de.po eo.po es.po fi.po fr.po gl.po hr.po hu.po it.po ja.po 
pl.po pt.po ru.po sk.po sv.po tr.po zh_CN.po


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Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap
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time:   Thu Jun 21 22:22:15 PDT 2001


Log Message:

remove the options for installing potato or slink, since that's not
really supported nor tested anyhow; default if quiet is always woody

builds but not tested


Files:

changed:extract_base.c


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by aph

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time:   Thu Jun 21 22:22:10 PDT 2001


Log Message:

remove the options for installing potato or slink, since that's not
really supported nor tested anyhow; default if quiet is always woody

builds but not tested


Files:

changed:changelog


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Re: more space spared in e2fsprogs-bf

[Adam Di Carlo]

Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Unless you have objections, I'll build e2fsprogs-bf with -Os.
> Probably many other packages would benefit from this flag as well...

Sounds good to me.  

Oh, I heard a rumor this package is having trouble building in
non-i386 arches.  Hopefully you can look at addressing that quickly,
because I can't really adopt this package in boot-floppies until it's
built for all arches.

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Re: dell 2500 RAID5

[Adam Di Carlo]

Shérif Hocine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is it possible to patch the boot diskettes ? or is there a way to surround
> (turn around, avoid ?) this problem ?

I suggest following the directions very carefully at
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-boot-floppy-techinfo.en.html#s-rescue-replace-kernel>

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serious problems with new debootstrap / busybox wget

[Adam Di Carlo]

I've been having some serious problems with my testing version of
3.0.0, using new deboostrap (0.1.13) and whatever the latest busybox
is.

Download from http.us.debian.org is hanging.  I don't know if it's a
network issue of if our use of 'wget -c -O ...' is causing it to
tickle some sort of busybox bug.  I'm going to research some more in a
chroot environment with tcpdump, hopefully that will shed more light.


In other news, the new debootstrap is failing with "mout -t proc proc
/proc".  Is it not doing this properly in the chrooted area?  Again,
needs more research.  Just reporting it informally here for early
warning.

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Re: Install manual organization

[Adam Di Carlo]

"Chris Tillman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> OK, perhaps you could copy me with the "Sysadmin Hints on Debian Linux", I
> wasn't around then.

Sure  Attached.

> >> 9 Technical Information on the Debian Installer
> >
> > Thanks for working on this, Chris.
> 
> I'm enjoying it, hope the output has value-added over the input.

Good, I'm sure it will be.  Hopefully you're able to mostly just
use/reorganize existing content because rewriting is very very time
consuming and requires a lot of experience.  Anyhow, I think it might
be wise to throw patches up here for comment prior to committing
them.  Alternatively, I can make a CVS branch for your work and we can
merge that into mainstream when it's good enough...

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Title: Sysadmin Hints on Debian Linux







Getting Along with Debian Linux


(hints from Adam Harris

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)






If you're new to Debian, you might not know the following:




  the pkg management system owns much of your hard drive.  The
  following directories should not be messed with manually unless you 
  really know what you are doing:
  
  
	/usr (excluding /usr/local)
	/var
(you could make /var/local and be safe in there)
	/bin
	/sbin
	/lib
  
  
  If you do mess around in there, you are liable to have whatever
  you did be stomped by upgrading a package.
	



  alternative versions of applications are managed by
  update-alternatives, man page for which () still not
  shipped as of 4 June 1998, unfortunately.  Basically, say,
  /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi ->
  {nvi, vim, whatever you like}.  You can set your
  preferred vi by modifying the symlinks in
  /etc/alternatives/. 
	



  X configuration is a pain in the butt; but I suggest you use the
  XF86Setup program (part of the xserver-vga
  package).   Sometimes that doesn't work, however.
	



  Documentation to be found in /usr/doc.  To submit bugs, look at
  /usr/doc/debian/bug*.  To read about Debian-specific
  issues, look at /usr/doc//README.Debian.
	



  The best installation method is apt.  Get it from
  /project/experimental/.  Once you have
  that, you can use it as a method from dselect; or you can use the
  command line version.  Look at apt-get(8).  Note
  apt also will let you merge, say, ftp1.debian.org
  with ftp.de.debian.org in such a way as you have the
  export-restricted packages (like pgp) as well as the std pkgs.
	



  The debian way of building a kernel is also somewhat different.
  Get the kernel-package pkg, get the kernel source tree
  (either debian version or standard linux archive kernel will work),
  install in /usr/src/linux (or symlink to that), and for any
  non-std modules (i.e., pcmcia) get that source too (debian module
  sources will install to /usr/src/modules).  Then read
  /usr/doc/kernel-packages/README.gz.  This method will make
  a .deb of your kernel source, and, if you have non-std
  modules, make a synchronized dependant .deb of those too.
  It's a better way to manage kernel images; /boot will hold
  the kernel, the System.map, and a log of the active config
  file for the build.
	


 Ever said, "Damn, where the fsck is that cron job"?  Ever
grepped thru /var/spool/cron/crontabs, had to
su to some wierd user, then do crontab -e?  Even had
to look through all the cron jobs, thinking about whether they all
happen to fire at the same time or not?



Well, you don't have to anymore.  Only personal cron jobs
should be in /var/spool/cron/crontabs on a debian server.
Any jobs under the purview of the system administrator should be in
/etc, since they are configuration files.  If you have a root
cron job for daily, weekly, or nightly runs, put them in
/etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}.  These are invoked from
/etc/crontab, and will run in alphabetic order, which
serializes them.



On the other hand, if you have a cron job that (a) needs to run as a
special user, or (b) needs to run at a special time or frequency, you
can use either /etc/crontab, or, better yet,
/etc/cron.d/whatever.  These particular files also have an
extra field that allows you to stipulate which the user under which
the cron job runs.

	

In either case, you just edit the files and cron will notice them
automatically.  No need to run a special command.

	

For more information see cron(8), crontab(5), and
/usr/doc/cron/README.Debian.

	

Re: 2.3.6 uploaded

[Adam Di Carlo]

"Christian T. Steigies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 02:44:37AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > 
> > Boot-floppies 2.3.6 for i386, powerpc, and source, has been uploaded.
> How much time do we have before you upload 2.3.7? I have 2.3.5 ready for
> m68k, but I can't get it through the phone line...

How are you going to upload it at all if you can't get it through the
phone line?

I don't know when I'm going to release the next boot-floppies.  The
version number is going to be 3.0.0.  I have to release it when it's
ready.

Its more important to have *some* version available for m68k than to
have it be the latest.  I doubt there will be all that many changes
between 2.3.6 and 3.0.0, or, if there are, it will be a ways off.

> One is the downloading of packages, it works for some, it doesn't work for
> others, I suspect (without any proof yet) that it does work for others, only
> the error message is wrong/misleading. This is from my lastest try on a
> networked machine, boot-floppies-2.3.6 installed, no changes to the config
> file.
> 
> I: downloading kernel-image-2.2.19-atari
> [...]
> I: downloading required packages from files
> /home/cts/boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk/EXTRACT_LIST_all
> /home/cts/boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk/EXTRACT_LIST_m68k
> E: Couldn't find package debootstrap
> can't find package, or no such package, 'ash'
> can't find package, or no such package, 'base-passwd'
> can't find package, or no such package, 'busybox'
> can't find package, or no such package, 'dhcp-client'
> can't find package, or no such package, 'debootstrap'
> can't find package, or no such package, 'e2fsprogs'
> [...]
> 
> So the kernel-image is downloaded fine, then when a bunch of packages is to
> be downloaded, it fails. There is no deboostrap package in the archive for
> m68k, maybe it chockes on that and (erroneously) "fails" on all the others
> as well? I know that we have "ash" and many others in the archive. 

That's possible.

You need to run the shell script with the 'verbose' environment
variable turned on and examine the output.

> Now that I built debootstrap and put it into /archive/debian/Incoming the
> build does not fail at this place. Which I find is a pretty good proof of
> the "misleading" error messages, maybe its even wrong.

The error clearly is apt-get failing  out, then the script is merrily
running along and noticing that it cannot find any of the packages
that were supposed to be downloaded.  Sorta a "cascading" problem.

Well, I'll look at fixing the error output...  I don't really see how
it's a big priority, though...  If you look at the first error (from
apt-get, I believe) then the cause is pretty clear

You say "does not fail at this place" -- where does it fail, then?

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Re: 2.3.6 uploaded

[Anthony Towns]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 08:05:39PM -0500, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> Sorry no patch (but I uploaded debootstrap for m68k :-)

I don't suppose you tested it? It'd probably be a good idea to.

Find somewhere with around 100MB free space, cd in there, and as root run

debootstrap woody woody-chroot/ http://ftp.kernel.org/debian/

(or use some other directory name than woody-chroot/ or some other mirror).
It'll take a while to run, but it shouldn't be entirely ridiculous. Maybe
a similar amount of time to a moderately sized apt-get dist-upgrade?

If that works, there's a good chance your boot-floppies will too (whether
they're 2.3.5 or 2.3.6 or what); if it doesn't there's a good chance that
there's some bug in debootstrap's m68k support.

Cheers,
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Re: Install manual organization

[Chris Tillman]

> Chris Tillman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>> Here's my thinking about re-organization the manual along the lines
>> you proposed. We'll need much less space to talk about installation
>> source options without a base tarball or floppies.
>
> god knows that might come back, you know :)
>

Well with the reorganizations I'm making (sorry preview not ready yet),
it'll be easy to add back in if it happens. Basically I'm getting everything
into strictly sequential order, collecting duplicated tasks together where
possible, and minimizing forward references. I'm trying not to lose any real
content.

>> (delete) 5.2 Choosing the Right Installation Set
>
> That's pretty critical for i386, where we have "flavors".  Most users
> will use the vanilla set, rather than the idepci  or compact set.
>

I did see that was needed, it's in a better place now. I think it might be
good for other arches to explain some of their flavors too, although maybe
they're pretty self-explanatory.

>> (delete) 5.3 Installation Sources for Different Installation Stages
>> (new) Obtaining Operating System Installation Files
>>-- CD/ROM tco, Hard Disk download instructions
>
> Good, I like what you're doing here.
>
> I'm a bit concerned on where you put info for people dual booting,
> e.g., how you should do your DOS fdisk or MacOS partitioning for dual
> booting.  Should clearly be in this chapter, no?
>

I put the dual-boot partitioning (calling it pre-partitioning to
differentiate from the Debian partitioning) right up front, the first thing
people have to do. Because that's really true. Might as well get that done
even before downloading the first byte of Debian.

>> 4 Booting the Installation System
>> 4.1 Booting from Diskettes
...
>> 4.9 ``Configure the Keyboard''
>> 4.10 Last Chance!
>
> Not bad.  You're breaking up the dbootstrap stuff into many chapters,
> but I think that's not a bad idea.
>
>> 5 Partitioning Your Hard Drive and Initializing Partitions
>>  4.1 Background
>>  4.3 Device Names in Linux
>>  4.4 Recommended Partitioning Scheme
>>  4.5 Example Partitioning
>> delete ->  4.6 Partitioning Prior to Installation (we recommend
>> using Debian partitioning tools)
>
> Not always true!  See the discussion Ethan and I had.  See my comments
> above.  We should have a dual-booting section, which links into the
> work folks did in chapter 3.

Got it. I have people using native tools for native partitions, Debian tools
for Debian partitions.

>
>> 7.6 ``Partition a Hard Disk''
>> 7.7 ``Initialize and Activate a Swap Partition''
>> 7.8 ``Initialize a Linux Partition''
>> 7.9 ``Mount a Previously-Initialized Partition''
>> 7.10 Mounting Partitions Not Supported by dbootstrap
>
> Good, I like this partitioning stuff as it's own chapter.
>
>> 6 (new chapter) 7.11 ``Install Operating System Kernel and Modules''
>> 7.12 ``Configure PCMCIA Support''
>> 7.13 ``Configure Device Driver Modules''
>> 7.14 ``Configure the Network''
>>
>> 7 (new chapter) 7.15 ``Install the Base System''
>> 7.16 ``Configure the Base System''
>> 7.17 ``Make Linux Bootable Directly From Hard Disk''
>> 7.18 ``Make a Boot Floppy''
>> 7.19 The Moment of Truth
>
> Not sure it makes sense to break this into *two* short chapters.  Can
> you explain your thinking?
>

I thought Base should be separate from kernel stuff, I guess because they
are handled by different camps here. You may be right, if there's not enough
material to separate them they could go together.

>> 8 (new chapter) Base System Configuration
>> 7.20 Debian Post-Boot (Base) Configuration
>
> Should probably be entitled something like "Booting into Your New
> Debian GNU/Linux system".
>

I like your title, that's definitely a logical break booting into the new
system.

>> 8.4 Compiling a New Kernel
>
> See 81029 about some suggestions here.  We should add info on
> configuring the mouse, configuring CD-ROM (if not already),
> configuring X11.  These should each be new sections.
>

OK, perhaps you could copy me with the "Sysadmin Hints on Debian Linux", I
wasn't around then.

>> 9 Technical Information on the Debian Installer
>
> Thanks for working on this, Chris.

I'm enjoying it, hope the output has value-added over the input.


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Re: 2.3.6 uploaded

[Christian T. Steigies]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 02:44:37AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> 
> Boot-floppies 2.3.6 for i386, powerpc, and source, has been uploaded.
How much time do we have before you upload 2.3.7? I have 2.3.5 ready for
m68k, but I can't get it through the phone line...
Trying 2.3.6 on another machine, but I have to iron out some setup problems
first...

One is the downloading of packages, it works for some, it doesn't work for
others, I suspect (without any proof yet) that it does work for others, only
the error message is wrong/misleading. This is from my lastest try on a
networked machine, boot-floppies-2.3.6 installed, no changes to the config
file.

I: downloading kernel-image-2.2.19-atari
[...]
I: downloading required packages from files
/home/cts/boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk/EXTRACT_LIST_all
/home/cts/boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk/EXTRACT_LIST_m68k
E: Couldn't find package debootstrap
can't find package, or no such package, 'ash'
can't find package, or no such package, 'base-passwd'
can't find package, or no such package, 'busybox'
can't find package, or no such package, 'dhcp-client'
can't find package, or no such package, 'debootstrap'
can't find package, or no such package, 'e2fsprogs'
[...]

So the kernel-image is downloaded fine, then when a bunch of packages is to
be downloaded, it fails. There is no deboostrap package in the archive for
m68k, maybe it chockes on that and (erroneously) "fails" on all the others
as well? I know that we have "ash" and many others in the archive. 

Now that I built debootstrap and put it into /archive/debian/Incoming the
build does not fail at this place. Which I find is a pretty good proof of
the "misleading" error messages, maybe its even wrong.

Sorry no patch (but I uploaded debootstrap for m68k :-)

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Repository: boot-floppies/debian
who:aph
time:   Thu Jun 21 17:42:50 PDT 2001


Log Message:

bump debianversion and package version to 3.0


Files:

changed:changelog


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time:   Thu Jun 21 17:41:32 PDT 2001


Log Message:

bump debianversion to 3.0


Files:

changed:config


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Repository: boot-floppies
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time:   Thu Jun 21 17:40:47 PDT 2001


Log Message:

clean is cleaner (we weren't deleting boot-floppy-hfs.img before)


Files:

changed:Makefile


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Bug#101642: dbootstrap_settings and proxy

[Joey Hess]

Joey Hess wrote:
> Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> > This solution doesn't account for debootstrap's ability to install old
> > distributions such as potato (will be) and slink.
> 
> I have no intention of trying to support installs of achived versions of
> debian in apt-setup and base-config. AJ can do anything he wants to in
> debootstrap, it might even be generally useful to be able to make a
> potato chroot, but I do not see the point of using woody boot floppies
> to install potato or sid.
   ^^^
   slink, I mean, obviously

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cvs commit to base-config/debian by joeyh

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Repository: base-config/debian
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time:   Thu Jun 21 16:23:44 PDT 2001


Log Message:

   * If the user chooses not to run tasksel, default the run dselect
 question to true. This is to make it just a little harder to install a
 system w/o standard installed. See bug #101812

Files:

changed:changelog


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Repository: base-config/lib
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time:   Thu Jun 21 16:23:44 PDT 2001


Log Message:

   * If the user chooses not to run tasksel, default the run dselect
 question to true. This is to make it just a little harder to install a
 system w/o standard installed. See bug #101812

Files:

changed:50tasksel


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Bug#101642: dbootstrap_settings and proxy

[Joey Hess]

Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> This solution doesn't account for debootstrap's ability to install old
> distributions such as potato (will be) and slink.

I have no intention of trying to support installs of achived versions of
debian in apt-setup and base-config. AJ can do anything he wants to in
debootstrap, it might even be generally useful to be able to make a
potato chroot, but I do not see the point of using woody boot floppies
to install potato or sid.

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Bug#101844: (no subject)

[crit]

Package: boot-floppies
Version:
flavor: debian2.2r3 downloaded from debian ftp site
soon after its release.
architecture:  i386
model: IBM Thinkpad 650EL 
memory:  24MB
scsi: none
cd-rom: ibm 4x, either or w/ floppy drive(not
installed atm)
network card: none other than modem(28.8k??)
pcmcia: does have,slots are empty
ide: hd:ibm travelstar 1.2GB 2358cyl,16heads,63sec/t

(right after it loads the kernel?) i get this error
msg:

hda:hda1
request_module[block-major-8]: Root fs not mounted
VFS: Cannot open root device 08:03
Kernel panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:03 

then the comp locks solid and i have to hard reboot to
get out.

It seems to be identifying the hd ok and the mem but
ive tried passing lilo the arguments
mem=24m,ramdisk,hd=2358,16,63 but does same thing

any idears?? something im overlooking maybe??

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more space spared in e2fsprogs-bf

[Yann Dirson]

Hi all,

I wanted to checked what "gcc -Os" could do to help us in our Holy
Cruisade for Disk Space.  Here are my results for i386:

e2fsprogs-1.21+1.22-WIP-0620/debian[682]$ du -sb e2fsprogs-bf-*
364544  e2fsprogs-bf-O2
356352  e2fsprogs-bf-Os
e2fsprogs-1.21+1.22-WIP-0620/debian[683]$ find e2fsprogs-bf-O2 -type f | xargs cat | 
wc -c
 499620
e2fsprogs-1.21+1.22-WIP-0620/debian[684]$ find e2fsprogs-bf-Os -type f | xargs cat | 
wc -c
 496904

/me still wonders in which files there are holes, that could account
for the fact that the raw files are larger than the space that they,
their symlinks, and their dir tree take on my 4k-blocks filesystem,
but clearly there are a couple of KBs to take here.

Unless you have objections, I'll build e2fsprogs-bf with -Os.
Probably many other packages would benefit from this flag as well...

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RE: dell 2500 RAID5

[Shérif Hocine]

Hello Seth,

Ok, I know this site and worked with the linux-2.2.19-aacraid-1.0.7+PERCID
patch for the PE2400.
In fact, I use the dell RAID controller. I can't apply the patch because
system not installed.
I have 3 containers but I cannot see any (no disk acces to format, create
the file system and install debian).

Is it possible to patch the boot diskettes ? or is there a way to surround
(turn around, avoid ?) this problem ?



-Message d'origine-
De : Seth Mos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoyé : jeudi, juin 21, 2001 23:13
À : Shérif Hocine
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Objet : Re: dell 2500 RAID5


On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, [Windows-1252] Shérif Hocine wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does anyone has already installed debian 2.2 on a Dell 2500 with PERC 3/Di
?
> I did it on a 2400 with Kevin Traas's diskettes ... works fine.
> But now with the new Dell ... t'is a problem.
>
> Thanks for any help.

http://www.domsh.com/linux/ has links to kernels and patches with drivers
for the Adaptec raid controllers. I Suggest avoiding the i versions of
their raid controllers. They stink. Performance is OK but the drivers
sucks.







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Re: dell 2500 RAID5

[Seth Mos]

On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, [Windows-1252] Shérif Hocine wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone has already installed debian 2.2 on a Dell 2500 with PERC 3/Di ?
> I did it on a 2400 with Kevin Traas's diskettes ... works fine.
> But now with the new Dell ... t'is a problem.
> 
> Thanks for any help.

http://www.domsh.com/linux/ has links to kernels and patches with drivers
for the Adaptec raid controllers. I Suggest avoiding the i versions of
their raid controllers. They stink. Performance is OK but the drivers
sucks.



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dell 2500 RAID5

[Shérif Hocine]

Hello,

Does anyone has already installed debian 2.2 on a Dell 2500 with PERC 3/Di ?
I did it on a 2400 with Kevin Traas's diskettes ... works fine.
But now with the new Dell ... t'is a problem.

Thanks for any help.





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Re: new debootstrap in incoming

[Adam Di Carlo]

Matt Kraai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 11:01:34AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > Glad to see a new debootstrap with the fixes but the timing was just
> > *awful*...
> > 
> > /me considers build 2.3.7  right away...
> 
> Are there 2.3.6 images available for testing anywhere?

They're in unstable now...

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Bug#101642: dbootstrap_settings and proxy

[Stephen R Marenka]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 01:16:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> reassign 101642 boot-floppies
> thanks
> 
> Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> > If you believe the correct thing to do is to patch dbootstrap to 
> > provide stable, testing, unstable to base-config, then move this bug
> > to boot-floppies and I'll write the patch in the interest of getting
> > this fixed.
> 
> Ok

This solution doesn't account for debootstrap's ability to install old
distributions such as potato (will be) and slink.

Stephen

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Bug#101642: dbootstrap_settings and proxy
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boot-floppies_2.3.6_powerpc.changes INSTALLED

[Debian Installer]

Installing:
bf-arch_2.3.6_powerpc.tar.gz byhand
boot-floppies_2.3.6.tar.gz
  to pool/main/b/boot-floppies/boot-floppies_2.3.6.tar.gz
bf-misc_2.3.6_powerpc.tar.gz byhand
bf-doc_2.3.6_powerpc.tar.gz byhand
boot-floppies_2.3.6.dsc
  to pool/main/b/boot-floppies/boot-floppies_2.3.6.dsc
install-doc_2.3.6_powerpc.deb
  to pool/main/b/boot-floppies/install-doc_2.3.6_powerpc.deb
bf-archive-install_2.3.6_powerpc.sh byhand
Changes: boot-floppies (2.3.6) unstable; urgency=low
 .
  * Adam Di Carlo
- new package called 'install-doc'.  That contains documentation and
  release notes for a given architecture
- minor documentation corrections (more Woody work needed)
- dbootstrap: when partitioning, if quiet, pick 2.0 ext2 filesystem
  automatically for ARM and 2.2 for everyone else; change the bad
  block scan wording so it's not a double-negative -- it asks if you
  want to perform the bad block scan, but defaults to "no"
- get the doc-web target going
- debian/control: update boot-floppies package description;
  build-depends/depend on libnewt-pic
- debian/copyright: some updates, strip out busybox notice
- include README-CVS in the boot-floppies doc-dir (it's also in the
  shipped tarball)
  * Richard Hirst:
- hppa porting and documentition updates; should now produce working
  images
- added vt102 termtype, as that is what busybox init sets for serial
  consoles (stops cfdisk failing with S-Lang: Unknown error)
- improved dialog text when cfdisk offers to wipe your partition
  table, and made it default to No
- hppa, rename subarchs to '32' and '64', don't tell palo the term
  type as it now works it out for itself, don't use modules in root.bin
  so 32 and 64 bit kernels can share it
  * Matt Kraai:
- show the output of /etc/profile only if we are truly an interactive
  shell (not on tty1)
- include /etc/apm and /etc/apm/event.d in pcmcia.tgz to ensure that
  there permissions are those in the deb
  * David Whedon:
- library reduction improvements
- take 3rd party modules question out of the mainline, now user needs
  to specifically choose it.  This question confused people.
  * Josip Rodin:
- improvements to documentation/doc-check
- start a bit on woody release notes
  * Stephen R Marenka
- PowerPC: fixes for Quik
- Moved write_userconfig code for proxy to nf_select_server so that
  it always gets called.
  * Ethan Benson:
- Add comment to generated quik.conf mentioning quik's non-support of
  symlinks.
- Remove workaround for Bug#54265 now that its fixed.
- Fix bogosity in copyFile resulting in dbootstrap's umask being set to 0
- Fix totally broken fdisk symlink fixing for PowerMac.
- Fix driversdisk.sh and rescue.sh not to create world writable files.
- Fix permissions on installed kernel so it isn't executable if the rescue
  floppy is FAT.
- Make sure /target/tmp is created 1777 (base-files fixes it anyway)
- Set sane (022) umask in dbootstrap.
- Don't try and eject root floppy on NewWorld PowerMacs (which never
  have floppy drives)
- Add woody.debs from debootstrap to rootdisk.
  * Christian T. Steigies:
- m68k cleanup
- rootfiles: replace READ-pl.txt by READ-??.txt to catch also READ-gl.txt
- build [amiga|atari|mac]install.tgz in bf-archive-install.sh
- use "the right way" to extract m68k-tftp-lilo
- do not build HFS image for mac and delete it immediatly. I left the code
  in, in case this is needed at some time, but I could not make $ROOTCMD
  work
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boot-floppies_2.3.6_i386.changes INSTALLED

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Installing:
install-doc_2.3.6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/b/boot-floppies/install-doc_2.3.6_i386.deb
bf-misc_2.3.6_i386.tar.gz byhand
bf-common_2.3.6_i386.tar.gz byhand
bf-images-1.20_2.3.6_i386.tar.gz byhand
bf-archive-install_2.3.6_i386.sh byhand
bf-doc_2.3.6_i386.tar.gz byhand
boot-floppies_2.3.6_all.deb
  to pool/main/b/boot-floppies/boot-floppies_2.3.6_all.deb
bf-images-1.44_2.3.6_i386.tar.gz byhand
Changes: boot-floppies (2.3.6) unstable; urgency=low
 .
  * Adam Di Carlo
- new package called 'install-doc'.  That contains documentation and
  release notes for a given architecture
- minor documentation corrections (more Woody work needed)
- dbootstrap: when partitioning, if quiet, pick 2.0 ext2 filesystem
  automatically for ARM and 2.2 for everyone else; change the bad
  block scan wording so it's not a double-negative -- it asks if you
  want to perform the bad block scan, but defaults to "no"
- get the doc-web target going
- debian/control: update boot-floppies package description;
  build-depends/depend on libnewt-pic
- debian/copyright: some updates, strip out busybox notice
- include README-CVS in the boot-floppies doc-dir (it's also in the
  shipped tarball)
  * Richard Hirst:
- hppa porting and documentition updates; should now produce working
  images
- added vt102 termtype, as that is what busybox init sets for serial
  consoles (stops cfdisk failing with S-Lang: Unknown error)
- improved dialog text when cfdisk offers to wipe your partition
  table, and made it default to No
- hppa, rename subarchs to '32' and '64', don't tell palo the term
  type as it now works it out for itself, don't use modules in root.bin
  so 32 and 64 bit kernels can share it
  * Matt Kraai:
- show the output of /etc/profile only if we are truly an interactive
  shell (not on tty1)
- include /etc/apm and /etc/apm/event.d in pcmcia.tgz to ensure that
  there permissions are those in the deb
  * David Whedon:
- library reduction improvements
- take 3rd party modules question out of the mainline, now user needs
  to specifically choose it.  This question confused people.
  * Josip Rodin:
- improvements to documentation/doc-check
- start a bit on woody release notes
  * Stephen R Marenka
- PowerPC: fixes for Quik
- Moved write_userconfig code for proxy to nf_select_server so that
  it always gets called.
  * Ethan Benson:
- Add comment to generated quik.conf mentioning quik's non-support of
  symlinks.
- Remove workaround for Bug#54265 now that its fixed.
- Fix bogosity in copyFile resulting in dbootstrap's umask being set to 0
- Fix totally broken fdisk symlink fixing for PowerMac.
- Fix driversdisk.sh and rescue.sh not to create world writable files.
- Fix permissions on installed kernel so it isn't executable if the rescue
  floppy is FAT.
- Make sure /target/tmp is created 1777 (base-files fixes it anyway)
- Set sane (022) umask in dbootstrap.
- Don't try and eject root floppy on NewWorld PowerMacs (which never
  have floppy drives)
- Add woody.debs from debootstrap to rootdisk.
  * Christian T. Steigies:
- m68k cleanup
- rootfiles: replace READ-pl.txt by READ-??.txt to catch also READ-gl.txt
- build [amiga|atari|mac]install.tgz in bf-archive-install.sh
- use "the right way" to extract m68k-tftp-lilo
- do not build HFS image for mac and delete it immediatly. I left the code
  in, in case this is needed at some time, but I could not make $ROOTCMD
  work


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Re: new debootstrap in incoming

[Matt Kraai]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 11:01:34AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Glad to see a new debootstrap with the fixes but the timing was just
> *awful*...
> 
> /me considers build 2.3.7  right away...

Are there 2.3.6 images available for testing anywhere?

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Re: new debootstrap in incoming

[Richard Hirst]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 02:01:57AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Richard Hirst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Hi, I sent you this patch about a week ago, but it isn't in the
> > new source; did you not like it for some reason?  I realise it wont
> > apply cleanly now, since you have woody.debs.  Would you like me to
> > regenerate?
> 
> I would guess you should regenerate and bump the severity of that
> bug to important, since it affects the releasability of an  arch
> slated for woody.

The important part of the patch is in debootstrap 0.1.13, the two
extra info lines are only cosmetic, so I'll leave it as is.

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Re: i386 flavors rearrange?

[Herbert Xu]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 03:08:37AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> 
> My idea here, which I think would be pretty easy to implement, would
> be to change around the flavors a bit.  The default "flavor" would use
> the -idepci kernel rather than the "vanilla" kernel.  Vanilla should
> be renamed "full", and the compact renamed "scsi".  "ide" should
> (IMHO) be renamed back to "udma66".

I agree in principle.  However, I wouldn't do it by changing the kernel
flavours.  This will break people's systems.  It's much better to
rearrange the disks-i386 directory so that the compact flavour is the
default and the vanilla flavour sits in a subdirectory.
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Re: i386 flavors rearrange?

[Nils Rennebarth]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 03:08:37AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> My idea here, which I think would be pretty easy to implement, would
> be to change around the flavors a bit.  The default "flavor" would use
> the -idepci kernel rather than the "vanilla" kernel.  Vanilla should
> be renamed "full", and the compact renamed "scsi".  "ide" should
> (IMHO) be renamed back to "udma66".
> 
> Any thoughts on this?  Too disorienting?
Sounds good. In fact, why did no one think of this already?

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  bf-doc_2.3.6_i386.tar.gz
  bf-images-1.20_2.3.6_i386.tar.gz
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creating bootdisks ???

[Eckhard Grah]

Hi there,

I have some problems to create a dabian bootdisk (potato and woody) 
with a custom kernel. I build the kernel, copy it to the bootdisk,
run the rdev.sh script provided on the disk.
the machine boots with that disk and installation starts.
Setting up the keyboards fails with the message "can't write /tmp..." 
the reason seems to be, that the ramdisk is mounted read-only 
and so /tmp is not writetable.

any ideas what's going wrong when creating kernel or bootdisk?

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Re: Install manual organization

[Ethan Benson]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 03:02:19AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> >  4.5 Example Partitioning
> > delete ->  4.6 Partitioning Prior to Installation (we recommend
> > using Debian partitioning tools)
> 
> Not always true!  See the discussion Ethan and I had.  See my comments
> above.  We should have a dual-booting section, which links into the
> work folks did in chapter 3.

i think what he means is you should always create linux partitions
with linux tools.  MacOS's partitioner does not create linux
partitions correctly, a bootable system can't be made if the user uses
drive setup to create the linux partitions. 

> See 81029 about some suggestions here.  We should add info on
> configuring the mouse, configuring CD-ROM (if not already),
> configuring X11.  These should each be new sections.

a note about this fscking /dev/input nonsense..

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Re: [patch] debootstrap basedebs tarball support

[Ethan Benson]

On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 10:46:45PM -0400, Russell Hires wrote:
> Thank you, thank you! This solution should solve my pppoe problem in the 
> same way as the base tarball does now for potato when I do an install.
> I'd be able to separately install the pppoe software after the
> basedebs.tgz is installed, and before I have to be on the network, if
> I'm reading this correctly.

except aj has rejected the patch so it won't be merged or available in
b-f.  

i am looking at fixing aj's main complaint (keeping the dist scripts
ignorant of acquisition method), there is no guarentee he will accept
that patch either though.  from my current tests it looks like both my
tar:// method and aj's null:// method would require the exact same
hack to work (while keeping the dist scripts ignorant of download
method).  i am more inclined to keep tar:// since i don't see why
debootstrap should not be able to extract the tarball itself, that
seems natural to me (debootstrap gets .debs, from file:// or http://
or ftp:// so why not extract a thoeretical tarball as well?)

and i have learned the LESS code we have to screw with in dbootstrap
the better.  

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Repository: boot-floppies/debian
who:pb
time:   Thu Jun 21 00:41:22 PDT 2001


Log Message:

avoid spurious "byhand" files in arm release



Files:

changed:Tag: potato changelog


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Repository: boot-floppies
who:pb
time:   Thu Jun 21 00:41:22 PDT 2001


Log Message:

avoid spurious "byhand" files in arm release



Files:

changed:Tag: potato release.sh


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Repository: boot-floppies
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time:   Thu Jun 21 00:39:12 PDT 2001


Log Message:

include 8390 module on arm root disk



Files:

changed:Tag: potato rootdisk.sh


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include 8390 module on arm root disk



Files:

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  bf-archive-install_2.3.6_powerpc.sh
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