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time:   Sat Aug 18 23:37:48 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Added .profile for s390.


Files:

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time:   Sat Aug 18 23:37:17 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Added parmfile for s390.


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time:   Sat Aug 18 23:28:54 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Added base-files, needed for .profile.


Files:

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Re: Still no base tarball

[Ari Pollak]

Is it possible to create a testing/unstable CD using debian-cd? Dumb
question probably.

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Re: Still no base tarball

[Anthony Towns]

On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 10:35:33PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> Putting all that asside, the CD install is not available before a release,

ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/woody/

They're not necessarily all that up-to-date, but they do exist.

> Please, lets not restrict freedom of access to Debian by retiring a well
> used and still useful workhorse. 

Please, *enough* with the FUD already. No one's doing anything of the
sort --- no one's even suggesting we do anything of the sort.

Cheers,
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Re: Still no base tarball

[Anthony Towns]

On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 07:39:41PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> However, even for these cases, we should provide basedebs.tgz and
> split base provided in a well-known location, hopefully as part of the
> Debian archive itself.
> Maybe AJ disagrees?

Why would you think that? All I've said is I don't have the bandwidth
to build these things and upload them. No one else seems to be at all
interested in doing anything about it, either.

> > so the basedebs.tgz file should NOT be present on offcial Debian CDs,
> Exactly.

I'm not sure I agree here: being able to do installs onto CD-less machines
without an Internet connection by copying files from a machine with a
CD across a LAN to an existing Windows install doesn't seem an entirely
unreasonable thing to want.

> But the upshot is the same: We NEED, I think, a well-known location at
> which to provide the basedebs.tgz.  Then we can document this in the
> install manual, for the cases where people do need this (though rare).
> 
> I suggest dists/woody/main/disks-/base-MMDD/
> 
> That would contain both basedebs.tgz and images-1.44/base-*.bin
> containing split images.

Which is all very well, but no one seems interested in doing anything
about it. The script to create the basedebs tarballs was earlier in this
thread (well, on -testing and -boot). It's really not complicated.

Cheers,
aj

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is more floppyies needed other than rescue & root.bin?

[Joe Heuring]

 Objective.  to do an ftp install off of the rescue and root.bin
 floppies.
 
 Hello, I am trying a new install via rescue.bin 2.2.17-reiserfs, from
 kernel-image-2.2.17-reserfs_2.2.17pre6
 
 This floppy correctly sees my nic card as it displays:
 
 3c59x.c 16AUG00 Donald Becker and others
 http://www.scyld.com/network/vortex.htm   ---before it prompts me for
 the rescue root.bin  
 
 The root.bin creates the file system no problem but then says it does
 not recognize my nic card and that I should put in a floppy that
 contains the driver.  As I had understood it, it should already be
 loaded.  I haven't made it past this point yet but it also doesn't look
 good to do an ftp install using these two floppies.
 
 Are there any more floppies I should use or am I missing an obvious
 step?
 
 Any help appreciated.  Thank you.


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Re: Still no base tarball

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 10:35:33PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:

> It has a RH system installed, and if we can get the root password I can
> hack a Debian system into the machine through the floppy. If I can get a
> boot floppy to work I'll be able to hack the root password out of the
> system and proceed from there, but I may have to move the SCSI drive to my
> machine to do that...
>
> Anyway, even with a lot of luck, I'm going to need a set of floppies with
> boot, root, and drivers disks and the base system, either on floppies, or
> quicker by toasting a CD with the base tarball.

If it has a RH system installed, you should be able to install Debian from a CD
as well, no?

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by aph

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Repository: boot-floppies/debian
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time:   Sat Aug 18 20:09:56 PDT 2001


Log Message:

trying to fix PCMCIA


Files:

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time:   Sat Aug 18 20:09:33 PDT 2001


Log Message:

try try try to fix the PCMCIA problems; pcmcia-modules-* download
seems to be failing though, not sure why


Files:

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time:   Sat Aug 18 20:09:03 PDT 2001


Log Message:

remove pcmcia_package crap, which no one uses


Files:

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Re: Still no base tarball

[Dale Scheetz]

Thank you for understanding my concerns.

As a case in point, today's experience with a friend:

My neighbor was given a "junk" SCSI based P90 machine. It will not boot
from the CD, so that path is out. It will not boot a Debian rescue disk.
(I haven't figured out whether it is disabled in hardware, or the LILO
install requires an ext2 file system on the boot floppy. My next step
there, is to build a LILO based boot disk as I think the boot process is
chaining to an expected LILO on the floppy...)

It has a RH system installed, and if we can get the root password I can
hack a Debian system into the machine through the floppy. If I can get a
boot floppy to work I'll be able to hack the root password out of the
system and proceed from there, but I may have to move the SCSI drive to my
machine to do that...

Anyway, even with a lot of luck, I'm going to need a set of floppies with
boot, root, and drivers disks and the base system, either on floppies, or
quicker by toasting a CD with the base tarball.

Putting all that asside, the CD install is not available before a release,
so the testing group must resort to more primative methods to bootstrap
the system in an attempt to test the install before it is released.

If we had a way to distribute pre-release CDs to the testing group, that
problem would be solved, but I'm not in favor of Debian becoming a CD only
distribution for single user new installs.

Please, lets not restrict freedom of access to Debian by retiring a well
used and still useful workhorse. It's something we have always done in the
past, so you can't argue it is too difficult to impliment. For restricted
circumstances, a set of links to the base .deb files that defines the
current "base" system might work, although there are Win based starting
points that will not work without the tarball, so that _is_ extra work,
and I'm not really advocating it...

Thanks for your time,

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cvs commit to boot-floppies by aph

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time:   Sat Aug 18 19:36:41 PDT 2001


Log Message:

cosmetics, refactor


Files:

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time:   Sat Aug 18 19:35:23 PDT 2001


Log Message:

remove some cruft


Files:

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cvs commit to base-config/debian by joeyh

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Repository: base-config/debian
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time:   Sat Aug 18 19:28:54 PDT 2001


Log Message:

   * Fixed Standards-Version field, Closes: #109002

Files:

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by aph

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Repository: boot-floppies/debian
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time:   Sat Aug 18 16:26:14 PDT 2001


Log Message:

more stuff  from Mr Bloch


Files:

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po by aph

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Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po
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time:   Sat Aug 18 15:58:08 PDT 2001


Log Message:

update-po


Files:

changed:cs.po da.po de.po eo.po es.po fi.po fr.po gl.po hr.po hu.po it.po ja.po 
ko.po pl.po pt.po ru.po sk.po sv.po tr.po zh_CN.po


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Re: how to use BTS for install disks

[Rogério Brito]

On Aug 18 2001, Greg Wiley wrote:
> On Saturday, August 18, 2001 12:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > BTW, which bug did you discover? Any problems with
> > PCMCIA hardware installation?
> 
> Yep.  The running log on one of the consoles claims that some files
> or a directory are missing.  I'll run it again to get the exact text
> before I report.  But it sounds like the problem has already been
> reported, no?

Yes, exactly that bug. The problem is that the modules are not
present in the /target/lib/modules/2.2.19/pcmcia directory (in
fact, there is no pcmcia directory). I had been bitten by this
bug and I saw at least one more person report it to
debian-boot (which I now subscribe).

I haven't seen any comments regarding the fix, though.

To make *my* matters worse, my card (a vanilla Realted-8139
based PCMCIA card, whose manufacturer has not even included
its name on the package) is not supported with the standard
pcmcia-cs package. On the other hand, recompiling a new 2.4.9
stock kernel with in-kernel PCMCIA support and enabling the
8193too module seems to work fine.

I guess that since 8139-based cards are so common, it would be
good if the boot-floppies included support for them "out of
the box" (Red Hat 7.1 does, althought I didn't see what
solution they have adopted).

Since Debian always supports a wide range of software (many
platforms etc), I guess that things will be worked out in the
meantime.

And I have already offered my help to the boot floppies team.
:-)


[]s, Roger...

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Re: adding aacraid support for i386 bf

[Herbert Xu]

On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 12:43:12PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> 
> (1) one or more of the the kernel-image-2.2.19-* packages we use must
> include these drivers.  That's up to the maintainer of these
> packages, Herbert Xu.

The compact flavour has aacraid compiled in.
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by gt

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Repository: boot-floppies/debian
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time:   Sat Aug 18 11:07:41 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Document s390 changes.


Files:

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time:   Sat Aug 18 10:36:54 PDT 2001


Log Message:

/etc/passwd changed for s390, bash -> sh.


Files:

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Repository: boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk/prototype/root
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time:   Sat Aug 18 10:00:12 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Directory /cvs/debian-boot/boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk/prototype/root added to the 
repository


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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:54:58 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Initial release.


Files:

added:  SMALL_BASE_LIST_s390


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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:54:23 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Added several packages.


Files:

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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:53:25 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Initial version.


Files:

added:  s390.vars


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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:52:43 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Added do_arch_s390() and invocation of it.


Files:

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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:51:33 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Several changes for s390. Especially special inittab, new file inetd.conf
and changed rcS for s390.


Files:

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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:49:29 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Changed build targets for s390.


Files:

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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:48:17 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Added support for kernel image on s390.


Files:

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by aph

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Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap
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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:37:41 PDT 2001


Log Message:

for reiserfs, some helpful messages to the user about making a reiser
filesystem big enough -- from Eduard Bloch


Files:

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Re: bootfloppy changes for s390

[Gerhard Tonn]

On Saturday 18 August 2001 18:16, you wrote:

> Um.  I dunno.  Send patches before committing and I can review it.
>

This is the patch I mentioned. 

--- boot-floppies-3.0.11/documentation/Makefile Thu May 31 03:10:57 2001
+++ boot-floppies-3.0.11-s390/documentation/MakefileSat Aug 18 13:35:30 
2001@@ -12,7 +12,7 @@
 INSTALLSTYLE   ?= subdir
 
 # fdisk documentation to include (varies per platform)
-FDISK_DOCS := $(shell grep -s fdisk \
+FDISK_DOCS := $(shell grep -s "fdisk\|fdasd\|dasdfmt" \
../scripts/rootdisk/SMALL_BASE_LIST_$(architecture) | \
sed -e 's/^.*\/\(.*\)/\1.txt/' 2>/dev/null)
 
@@ -253,6 +253,24 @@
if [ -f "$(pmacfdiskcross)" ]; then  \
  dpkg --fsys-tarfile $(pmacfdiskcross) |\
tar -xOf - '*/man8/pmac-fdisk.8.gz' | zcat > tmp;\
+ man -l tmp | col -b > $@  ;\
+ rm -f tmp ;\
+   fi
+   [ -f $@ ] || echo '** man page not found ** ' > $@
+
+dasdfmt.txt:
+   if [ -f "$(s390tools))" ]; then  \
+ dpkg --fsys-tarfile $(s390tools) | \
+   tar -xOf - '*/man8/dasdfmt.8.gz' | zcat > tmp   ;\
+ man -l tmp | col -b > $@  ;\
+ rm -f tmp ;\
+   fi
+   [ -f $@ ] || echo '** man page not found ** ' > $@
+
+fdasd.txt:
+   if [ -f "$(s390tools))" ]; then  \
+ dpkg --fsys-tarfile $(s390tools) | \
+   tar -xOf - '*/man8/fdasd.8.gz' | zcat > tmp ;\
  man -l tmp | col -b > $@  ;\
  rm -f tmp ;\
fi
--- boot-floppies-3.0.11/documentation/Makefile.docsThu Jun 14 02:31:23 
2001+++ boot-floppies-3.0.11-s390/documentation/Makefile.docs   Sat Aug 
18 12:10:52 2001
@@ -36,7 +36,8 @@
   amigafdisk="$(shell $(pathcmd:P=amiga-fdisk-bf_*.deb))" \
   atarifdisk="$(shell $(pathcmd:P=atari-fdisk_*.deb))" \
   macfdisk="$(shell $(pathcmd:P=mac-fdisk_*.deb))" \
-  pmacfdiskcross="$(shell 
$(pathcmd:P=pmac-fdisk-cross_*.deb))"
+  pmacfdiskcross="$(shell 
$(pathcmd:P=pmac-fdisk-cross_*.deb))" \
+  s390tools="$(shell $(pathcmd:P=s390-tools_*.deb))"
 
 # check SGML validity for the documentation, one language
 lint-docs: 

Regards,
Gerhard


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by aph

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Repository: boot-floppies/debian
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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:30:36 PDT 2001


Log Message:

LC changes


Files:

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs by aph

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Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/langs
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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:29:51 PDT 2001


Log Message:

USE_LANG_CHOOSER ignorables


Files:

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Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po
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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:28:04 PDT 2001


Log Message:

fix some problems indicated during build, end-of-line stuff which
wasn't matching


Files:

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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:27:07 PDT 2001


Log Message:

add a target for making the XML files under dbootstrap, which makes a
build from clean work better


Files:

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Repository: boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk/messages
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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:26:33 PDT 2001


Log Message:

iconv commandline stuff was too fragile; set make to delete files on
error, which is good for not making damaged stuff when iconv fails


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time:   Sat Aug 18 09:25:08 PDT 2001


Log Message:

some updates and LANG_CHOOSER todo items

is anyone actively working for i18n b-f ?


Files:

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Re: Still no base tarball

[Ethan Benson]

On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 10:53:54AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> "Just the fax mam."
> 
> I have been trying to gain the information you just provided from our very
> first interaction. You have objected to doing technical support for the
> inatllation item many of our new installs will need. When I continued
> having problems obtaining necessary information, it seemed reasonable to
> ask a wider audience.

fine since aj won't explain it i will.

base tarballs are obsolete and deprecated, period.  

the ONLY time a base tarball should be used to install the base system
is for hard disk based installs.  it should never be used for CD
installs, or network installs, ever.

for CD installs and network installs debootstrap simply uses the
normal debian archive, that is the .debs found in the pool and the apt
Packages/Release files in dists/woody/binary-*  for CDs all necessary
packages will be on CD1, for the network everything is there
obviously. 

so the basedebs.tgz file should NOT be present on offcial Debian CDs,
nor should it be used for CD based installs.  dbootstrap or
debootstrap will never download the basedebs.tgz file from the
network, if you have network connectivity the real debian archive will
be used, NOT a base tarball.

that leaves hard disk installs (installing from files on a FAT or HFS
partition) generally its unlikly that the user will have a debian
mirror on their harddisk, since its basically impossible given the
crippled nature of those filesystems.  in those cases they will
download a basedebs.tgz (from where has yet to be determined),
drivers.tgz and other b-f files manually with whatever downloading
software comes with the proprietary OS in use.  when they select a
hard disk based install method dbootstrap will first see there is no
debian mirror, then it will check for a basedebs.tgz in whatever
directory the user specified (that is if they specify /debian,
dbootstrap will check for /debian/basedebs.tgz). 

reasons a hard disk install might be desired are: 

* lack of CDs
* lack of CDROM
* lack of decent network connection (read the connection requires junk
  like ppp or pppoe)

futhermore basedebs.tgz does not contain a root filesystem, all it
contains is /var/cache/apt/archives (with all the .debs that make up
the base system) and /var/lib/apt/lists (with the Packages files).  

-- 
Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/

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Re: Path to base tarball.

[Ethan Benson]

On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 11:08:14AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> I'm trying to build a test CD for the boot floppies and the base system
> install. In the past, the install gave several options for finding this
> file, but also provided a default location.
> 
> Is there still a preferred location for this file?

the base tarball should never be used on CDs, nor should it be present
on them.

debootstrap should use the normal debian archive found on CD1.

-- 
Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation/en by falk

[falk]

Repository: boot-floppies/documentation/en
who:falk
time:   Sat Aug 18 04:51:15 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Alpha docs: Fixed syntax errors.


Files:

changed:boot-new.sgml rescue-boot.sgml


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk by falk

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Repository: boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk
who:falk
time:   Sat Aug 18 04:50:22 PDT 2001


Log Message:

Added sbin/mkfs.msdos (link to mkdosfs), its absence was confusing people.


Files:

changed:SMALL_BASE_LIST_alpha


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bootfloppy changes for s390

[Gerhard Tonn]

Hi,
I am going to check in some changes for s390, so that we can upload the 
binary package within the next days.

There are two changes that touch common code:

Since the console for s390 supports only line mode, we need a telnet session 
for root in order to run dbootstrap. The passwd of the ramdisk has "/root" as 
home directory and bash as login shell, but neither exists on the ramdisk.

Could we fix it by adding "/root" and changing bash to sh?

The disk formatting utilities for s390 are called dasdfmt and fdasd instead 
of fdisk. Is it okay to grep for "fdisk\|fdasd\|dasdfmt" instead of fdisk in 
documentation/Makefile, when the fdisk flavour is determined?

A final question is whether I have CVS write access as Debian developer or if 
could get it.

Thanks,
Gerhard


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