Re: teamwork (was Re: #103302 ask permission blah blah)

[Brian May]

> "Anthony" == Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Anthony> On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 05:32:06PM +1100, Glenn McGrath
Anthony> wrote:

>> What do you think of the constant infighting that happens here,
>> do you thing its a neccesary evil ?

Isn't it fun ???

Anthony> _GLENN_. IS IT REALLY TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR YOU TO NOT CC
Anthony> ME ON MAILING LIST POSTS?

Anthony> IF IT IS, WELCOME TO MY KILLFILE.

Seriously, if both people try to blame the infighting on the other
person, well... its not going to stop the infighting any time soon.
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Re: #103302 ask permission before erasing /var/cache/apt/archives

[Brian May]

> "Ethan" == Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ethan> Joey, you SHOULD quit this project.  [...]

I, too, hope that this bug will be fixed. Hopefully before the next
release of Debian, too.

However, if I was Joey, and I received the previous message, I might
not be so eager to fix the bug as before.
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Re: teamwork (was Re: #103302 ask permission blah blah)

[Anthony Towns]

On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 05:32:06PM +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote:
> What do you think of the constant infighting that happens here, do you
> thing its a neccesary evil ?

_GLENN_. IS IT REALLY TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR YOU TO NOT CC ME ON MAILING
LIST POSTS?

IF IT IS, WELCOME TO MY KILLFILE.

There, did you actually notice that this time?

No, I don't, which is why I'm inclined to strongly discourage idiotic
things like, say, repeatedly changing the severity of non-RC bugs to RC
severities, or hacking other peoples packages from within your package.

How about attacks on maintainers? Do you think they're a necessary evil?
When they occur, do you think that all involved should agree with
the attacker, or at least out of politeness fail to demur to the more
egregious comments, until the maintainer breaks down in frustration
and... does what?  Stops maintaining the package, quits the project
frustrated with all the political maneuovering and flames?

No one's taking offense at the bug report. People are taking offense
to Ethan repeatedly and incorrectly raising the severity of the bug,
and both threatening to and actually hijacking the decision.

But hey, as long as your motives are pure, right?

Cheers,
aj

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Re: teamwork (was Re: #103302 ask permission blah blah)

[Glenn McGrath]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:22:12 +1000
"Anthony Towns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You might want to ask yourself why you're getting involved in this one
> rather than looking at the bug report and trying to fix the package.
> 

Because im trying to make people see that constant infighting isnt
productive.

I was trying not to get dragged into this particular argument, i would
rather focus my efforts on busybox improvements possibly for the post
woody installer. I thought it was worth the effort to try and give you
some perspective.

Ethan will probably disapear and contribute nothing more... he rubbed me
the wrong way a couple of times (re: busybox bloat), but i respected him
for his passion. If we had been able to get him to work with everyone
else then it everyone would be better off, particularly for powerpc.

What do you think of the constant infighting that happens here, do you
thing its a neccesary evil ?


Glenn


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[aj@azure.humbug.org.au: Re: teamwork (was Re: #103302 ask permission blah blah)]

[Anthony Towns]

Grrr. Don't Cc me on posts to debian-* mailing lists! Geez. My headers
are set. The developers reference recommends it. I'm sure I've mentioned
this. What more do you want?!

On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 05:09:26PM +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote:
> I dont think he would have much chance of getting through the NM process
> with the enemies hes made, do you ?

He's had plenty of chances to join before making enemies. He also doesn't
have to make enemies.

> Why does it matter where a bugfix comes from ?

Not particularly. It matters what the bug fix is: cf the patch Ethan
committed to boot-floppies CVS. And it seems reasonable not to make
randomly setting unimportant bugs to grave and flaming the maintainer
about them the most effective way of getting a bug fixed.

> Generally speaking, as long as it fixes a bug and doesnt introduce
> others it should be accepted. (note i havent looked at this specific bug
> or patche)

There isn't a working patch for this bug.

And perhaps you should take the time to look into the issues before
weighing in.

> I dont agree with these actions, i think its his misguided attempts to
> improve the packages, 

Or his misguided attempts to make sure whatever he says goes.

> > But hey, politically inspired apoplectic fits is the reason everyone
> > joins Debian, isn't it?
> I thought we all joined to get involved with endless flamewars (sarcasm)

You might want to ask yourself why you're getting involved in this one
rather than looking at the bug report and trying to fix the package.

Regards,
aj

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Re: teamwork (was Re: #103302 ask permission blah blah)

[Glenn McGrath]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:06:27 +1000
"Anthony Towns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 09:52:07PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Glenn McGrath wrote:
> > > To work efficiently as a team we have to be able to trust each
other to
> > > perform our own tasks.
> > How can we trust someone who isn't one of us?
> 
> Or, to put it in a way that doesn't sound quite so xenophobic, why
> should we trust someone who refuses to go through our fairly trivial
> identification process (and thus avoids the accountability it attempts
> to establish), and who refuses to go through the tasks and philosophy
> checks to make sure he can actually function as a part of the project?
> 

I dont think he would have much chance of getting through the NM process
with the enemies hes made, do you ?

Why does it matter where a bugfix comes from ?
Generally speaking, as long as it fixes a bug and doesnt introduce
others it should be accepted. (note i havent looked at this specific bug
or patche)

> Ethan's quite a fan of bug terrorism (continually upgrading or
reopening
> bugs the maintainer disagrees with) and, apparently, NMU terrorism
> (threatening to either NMU your package, or hacking into your package
> from another package). Especially the latter isn't something that
helps
> Debian development.
> 

I dont agree with these actions, i think its his misguided attempts to
improve the packages, if he cannot work with the maintainer/developer
then i would encourage him to fork the package and distribute it by
alternative means.

> But hey, politically inspired apoplectic fits is the reason everyone
> joins Debian, isn't it?
> 

I thought we all joined to get involved with endless flamewars (sarcasm)

There are lots of good people at debian, however sometimes i cant here
them for all the shouting.



Glenn


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Re: 2.4.x kernel, pcmcia-cs, and boot-floppies

[David Kimdon]

Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 11:37:19AM -0700 wrote:
> I'm trying to make some custom boot floppies for Woody with xfs support
> and have managed to hack the package enough to make it work with one
> exception.  When the installation reaches the point of installing the 
> base system it gets hung up on the installation of the pcmcia-cs package.  
> It can't install it because (I think) the version that is set to be included
> by a woody install is actually the potato version which is not compatible with
> the kernel 2.4.x module tree structure.  So, what I'm wondering is if there is 
> a way to override what version of pcmcia-cs gets installed with base from the 
> boot-floppies package.
Hi,

You would probably need to patch the debootstrap package to install a
specific pcmcia-cs from a different site.

-David

> 
> Thanx,
> Russ
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Bug#57369: marked as done (PowerPC documentation inaccurate)

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The boot-floppies documentation for PowerPC is woefully out of date.  It
needs updated for CHRP, PowerMac, and PReP platforms.  Things missing 
include platform specific instructions for preinstallation requirements,
media that can be installed from, types of bootloaders available, firmware
specific instructions, types of media that can be installed from, proper
installation images to use for each platform, types of console (headed/
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each supported architecture.  When/if APUS support is complete the 
documentation needs to support that subarch as well.

There are seperate documents containing some of this information that can
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Bug#116413: marked as done (Alpha: Wrong partition No. for aboot)

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Package:boot-floppies
Architecture:   Alpha
Version:current/
Distribution:   woody/sid

Hi!

After installing my videocard-less system (with more or less
PITA) I had difficulties to boot it. I've added an extra
partition for /boot (as I normally do for all other architectures
I am workin on as well), but this wasn't recognized by
dbootstrap. dbootstrap set my root partition's partition
number as the partition ID where to search /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19-generic
in. Wrong.

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 - s390: enable library reduction and reduce root disk size
 - s390: don't ask for kernel 2.0 compatibility in mke2fs
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Re: teamwork (was Re: #103302 ask permission blah blah)

[Adam Heath]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:

> please then remove all that i have contributed from this project, all
> of it, revert, remove etc.  also be sure to remove the yaboot package
> from debian as well.  im sure the powerpc people will be happy then.

Sorry, can't do that.  You applied patches, with the understanding that they
would be under the same license of that which you were patching.


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  * i386 not moved to 2.2.20 yet, reiserfs and pcmcia not available
  * Stefan Gybas
- s390: don't install tcpd/libwrap on root disk
- s390: enable library reduction and reduce root disk size
- s390: don't ask for kernel 2.0 compatibility in mke2fs
- s390: wrote replacement for /bin/login and drop all unneeded
  stuff (mainly PAM) from the root disk. This saves over 400K!
  * Falk Hueffner
- support /boot on own partition for aboot; closes: #116413
- add note about killing 'c' partition to SRM fdisk note
- we don't need the aboot loader 'boot/bootlx' on the root floppy,
  since we can install it from /target. Saves 80k.
- fix drivers path for generic Alpha
- use ldmilo.exe hacked by Ron Farrer
- Reorder Alpha installation sections
- Update Alpha model table
  * Gerhard Tonn
- s390 changes: fix alias handling, some initial documentation, added
  terminfo directory, adapt the foreign module dialog, disable floppy
  devices, added netsetupcalc program, rollback inittab changes  since
  sysvinit now provides now the correct one, added Makefile,
  netsetupcalc.c to s390-specials, rework of netsetup.sh for s390,
  make network configuration optional and other fixes
  * David Kimdon
- patches from from Claus Hindsgaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  - install manual Danish translation
  - README-Users.da.m4
  - fix glitch in Danish localization
  * Chris Tillman
- Added powerpc mouse button emulation instructions to appendix
- Convert powerpc-specials to debiandoc - no ddoouubblliinngg
- Added list of supported powerpc models, Closes: #57369
  * Ethan Benson
- fix SEGV when attempting to install anything from a disk partition
- fix progress bar for base installs
- add s390-specials/Makefile with a phony clean target, the lack of
  this breaks the clean target entirely for all architectures
- Add powerpc-specials/yaboot.conf.  This is a functional config for
  temporarily bootstrapping the boot-floppies from an existing MacOS
  partition.  This file is copied to $release/powermac next to the
  yaboot binary.
  * Phil Blundell
- teach dbootstrap about "drv14riscpc" and "drv14netwinder" disk series
- python-dev seems not to cut the mustard; build-depend on python1.5-dev
- also build-depend on zip for arm
- don't prompt for boot floppy creation on arm
- include etherh.o and 8390.o on riscpc root disk; make sure 8390.o gets
  loaded first
- use acorn-fdisk in place of cfdisk on riscpc
- use mklibs.py on arm
- avoid scanning modules.tgz quite so many times during rootdisk build
- turn on support for read-only filesystem operation on arm
- correct acorn keymap generation in the presence of "include" statements
- contemporary 2.2.19 kernels are "vmlinuz"; try to keep up in kernel.sh
- tweak QWERTY keymap naming in language chooser a bit
- make language chooser keep trying until user picks something, rather
  than just rebooting the machine if it didn't work out the first time.
- enable Acorn partition support in libfdisk for arm
- arm documentation updates
- ship all-in-one Easy Install Archive for riscpc
- disable "variants" in language chooser; drop back to traditional method
  of keyboard configuration
  * Richard Hirst
- don't prompt to make a boot-floppy for ia64 or hppa
  * Karsten Merker (patch approved by Guido Guenther)
- add support for DECstations 5000/120, /125 and /133 (KN02)
- re-add MSDOS partition table support to libfdisk for mipsel
  (required for DECstations)
  * Colin Walters
- fix a problem with the waitpid() used in dbootstrap when waiting for
  debootstrap to end
  * Adam Di Carlo
- fix a minor build issue with LANG_CHOOSER build
- fix some doc build problems with French and Danish


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  to pool/main/b/boot-floppies/boot-floppies_3.0.17.tar.gz
bf-misc_3.0.17_i386.tar.gz byhand
bf-images-1.44_3.0.17_i386.tar.gz byhand
bf-images-1.20_3.0.17_i386.tar.gz byhand
boot-floppies_3.0.17_all.deb
  to pool/main/b/boot-floppies/boot-floppies_3.0.17_all.deb
bf-common_3.0.17_i386.tar.gz byhand
bf-doc_3.0.17_i386.tar.gz byhand
install-doc_3.0.17_i386.deb
  to pool/main/b/boot-floppies/install-doc_3.0.17_i386.deb
bf-archive-install_3.0.17_i386.sh byhand
Changes: boot-floppies (3.0.17) unstable; urgency=low
 .
  * i386 not moved to 2.2.20 yet, reiserfs and pcmcia not available
  * Stefan Gybas
- s390: don't install tcpd/libwrap on root disk
- s390: enable library reduction and reduce root disk size
- s390: don't ask for kernel 2.0 compatibility in mke2fs
- s390: wrote replacement for /bin/login and drop all unneeded
  stuff (mainly PAM) from the root disk. This saves over 400K!
  * Falk Hueffner
- support /boot on own partition for aboot; closes: #116413
- add note about killing 'c' partition to SRM fdisk note
- we don't need the aboot loader 'boot/bootlx' on the root floppy,
  since we can install it from /target. Saves 80k.
- fix drivers path for generic Alpha
- use ldmilo.exe hacked by Ron Farrer
- Reorder Alpha installation sections
- Update Alpha model table
  * Gerhard Tonn
- s390 changes: fix alias handling, some initial documentation, added
  terminfo directory, adapt the foreign module dialog, disable floppy
  devices, added netsetupcalc program, rollback inittab changes  since
  sysvinit now provides now the correct one, added Makefile,
  netsetupcalc.c to s390-specials, rework of netsetup.sh for s390,
  make network configuration optional and other fixes
  * David Kimdon
- patches from from Claus Hindsgaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  - install manual Danish translation
  - README-Users.da.m4
  - fix glitch in Danish localization
  * Chris Tillman
- Added powerpc mouse button emulation instructions to appendix
- Convert powerpc-specials to debiandoc - no ddoouubblliinngg
- Added list of supported powerpc models, Closes: #57369
  * Ethan Benson
- fix SEGV when attempting to install anything from a disk partition
- fix progress bar for base installs
- add s390-specials/Makefile with a phony clean target, the lack of
  this breaks the clean target entirely for all architectures
- Add powerpc-specials/yaboot.conf.  This is a functional config for
  temporarily bootstrapping the boot-floppies from an existing MacOS
  partition.  This file is copied to $release/powermac next to the
  yaboot binary.
  * Phil Blundell
- teach dbootstrap about "drv14riscpc" and "drv14netwinder" disk series
- python-dev seems not to cut the mustard; build-depend on python1.5-dev
- also build-depend on zip for arm
- don't prompt for boot floppy creation on arm
- include etherh.o and 8390.o on riscpc root disk; make sure 8390.o gets
  loaded first
- use acorn-fdisk in place of cfdisk on riscpc
- use mklibs.py on arm
- avoid scanning modules.tgz quite so many times during rootdisk build
- turn on support for read-only filesystem operation on arm
- correct acorn keymap generation in the presence of "include" statements
- contemporary 2.2.19 kernels are "vmlinuz"; try to keep up in kernel.sh
- tweak QWERTY keymap naming in language chooser a bit
- make language chooser keep trying until user picks something, rather
  than just rebooting the machine if it didn't work out the first time.
- enable Acorn partition support in libfdisk for arm
- arm documentation updates
- ship all-in-one Easy Install Archive for riscpc
- disable "variants" in language chooser; drop back to traditional method
  of keyboard configuration
  * Richard Hirst
- don't prompt to make a boot-floppy for ia64 or hppa
  * Karsten Merker (patch approved by Guido Guenther)
- add support for DECstations 5000/120, /125 and /133 (KN02)
- re-add MSDOS partition table support to libfdisk for mipsel
  (required for DECstations)
  * Colin Walters
- fix a problem with the waitpid() used in dbootstrap when waiting for
  debootstrap to end
  * Adam Di Carlo
- fix a minor build issue with LANG_CHOOSER build
- fix some doc build problems with French and Danish
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boot-floppies_3.0.17_s390.changes INSTALLED

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Installing:
bf-images_3.0.17_s390.tar.gz byhand
bf-archive-install_3.0.17_s390.sh byhand
bf-doc_3.0.17_s390.tar.gz byhand
bf-misc_3.0.17_s390.tar.gz byhand
install-doc_3.0.17_s390.deb
  to pool/main/b/boot-floppies/install-doc_3.0.17_s390.deb
Changes: boot-floppies (3.0.17) unstable; urgency=low
 .
  * i386 not moved to 2.2.20 yet, reiserfs and pcmcia not available
  * Stefan Gybas
- s390: don't install tcpd/libwrap on root disk
- s390: enable library reduction and reduce root disk size
- s390: don't ask for kernel 2.0 compatibility in mke2fs
- s390: wrote replacement for /bin/login and drop all unneeded
  stuff (mainly PAM) from the root disk. This saves over 400K!
  * Falk Hueffner
- support /boot on own partition for aboot; closes: #116413
- add note about killing 'c' partition to SRM fdisk note
- we don't need the aboot loader 'boot/bootlx' on the root floppy,
  since we can install it from /target. Saves 80k.
- fix drivers path for generic Alpha
- use ldmilo.exe hacked by Ron Farrer
- Reorder Alpha installation sections
- Update Alpha model table
  * Gerhard Tonn
- s390 changes: fix alias handling, some initial documentation, added
  terminfo directory, adapt the foreign module dialog, disable floppy
  devices, added netsetupcalc program, rollback inittab changes  since
  sysvinit now provides now the correct one, added Makefile,
  netsetupcalc.c to s390-specials, rework of netsetup.sh for s390,
  make network configuration optional and other fixes
  * David Kimdon
- patches from from Claus Hindsgaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  - install manual Danish translation
  - README-Users.da.m4
  - fix glitch in Danish localization
  * Chris Tillman
- Added powerpc mouse button emulation instructions to appendix
- Convert powerpc-specials to debiandoc - no ddoouubblliinngg
- Added list of supported powerpc models, Closes: #57369
  * Ethan Benson
- fix SEGV when attempting to install anything from a disk partition
- fix progress bar for base installs
- add s390-specials/Makefile with a phony clean target, the lack of
  this breaks the clean target entirely for all architectures
- Add powerpc-specials/yaboot.conf.  This is a functional config for
  temporarily bootstrapping the boot-floppies from an existing MacOS
  partition.  This file is copied to $release/powermac next to the
  yaboot binary.
  * Phil Blundell
- teach dbootstrap about "drv14riscpc" and "drv14netwinder" disk series
- python-dev seems not to cut the mustard; build-depend on python1.5-dev
- also build-depend on zip for arm
- don't prompt for boot floppy creation on arm
- include etherh.o and 8390.o on riscpc root disk; make sure 8390.o gets
  loaded first
- use acorn-fdisk in place of cfdisk on riscpc
- use mklibs.py on arm
- avoid scanning modules.tgz quite so many times during rootdisk build
- turn on support for read-only filesystem operation on arm
- correct acorn keymap generation in the presence of "include" statements
- contemporary 2.2.19 kernels are "vmlinuz"; try to keep up in kernel.sh
- tweak QWERTY keymap naming in language chooser a bit
- make language chooser keep trying until user picks something, rather
  than just rebooting the machine if it didn't work out the first time.
- enable Acorn partition support in libfdisk for arm
- arm documentation updates
- ship all-in-one Easy Install Archive for riscpc
- disable "variants" in language chooser; drop back to traditional method
  of keyboard configuration
  * Richard Hirst
- don't prompt to make a boot-floppy for ia64 or hppa
  * Karsten Merker (patch approved by Guido Guenther)
- add support for DECstations 5000/120, /125 and /133 (KN02)
- re-add MSDOS partition table support to libfdisk for mipsel
  (required for DECstations)
  * Colin Walters
- fix a problem with the waitpid() used in dbootstrap when waiting for
  debootstrap to end
  * Adam Di Carlo
- fix a minor build issue with LANG_CHOOSER build
- fix some doc build problems with French and Danish


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Re: teamwork (was Re: #103302 ask permission blah blah)

[Anthony Towns]

On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 09:52:07PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Glenn McGrath wrote:
> > To work efficiently as a team we have to be able to trust each other to
> > perform our own tasks.
> How can we trust someone who isn't one of us?

Or, to put it in a way that doesn't sound quite so xenophobic, why
should we trust someone who refuses to go through our fairly trivial
identification process (and thus avoids the accountability it attempts
to establish), and who refuses to go through the tasks and philosophy
checks to make sure he can actually function as a part of the project?

Ethan's quite a fan of bug terrorism (continually upgrading or reopening
bugs the maintainer disagrees with) and, apparently, NMU terrorism
(threatening to either NMU your package, or hacking into your package
from another package). Especially the latter isn't something that helps
Debian development.

But hey, politically inspired apoplectic fits is the reason everyone
joins Debian, isn't it?

Cheers,
aj

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Re: teamwork (was Re: #103302 ask permission blah blah)

[Ethan Benson]

On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 09:52:07PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Glenn McGrath wrote:
> 
> > Lets all remember that we are all on the same team.
> 
> Ethan is not a developer.

please then remove all that i have contributed from this project, all
of it, revert, remove etc.  also be sure to remove the yaboot package
from debian as well.  im sure the powerpc people will be happy then.

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Re: teamwork (was Re: #103302 ask permission blah blah)

[Adam Heath]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Glenn McGrath wrote:

> Lets all remember that we are all on the same team.

Ethan is not a developer.

>
> To work efficiently as a team we have to be able to trust each other to
> perform our own tasks.

How can we trust someone who isn't one of us?


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teamwork (was Re: #103302 ask permission blah blah)

[Glenn McGrath]

Lets all remember that we are all on the same team.

To work efficiently as a team we have to be able to trust each other to
perform our own tasks.

If one thinks there own house is in perfect order then by all means help
someone else with their workload, if you cant help them dont get in
their way.


Glenn 
 


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Re: #103302 ask permission before erasing /var/cache/apt/archives

[Adam Heath]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:

> Joey, you SHOULD quit this project.  You are of no use to it any
> longer, you are publically displaying an absolute intent to force YOUR
> system administration policies down upon ALL of debian's users.

As someone who is not part of this project, you have no foundation to stand
on.  I have seen nothing from Joey that can be taken like this.  Seems like
someone has an agenda that they are trying to push.  Either that, or this is
just pure FUD.


> This VIOLATES Debian's social contract which says Debian's priorities
> are its USERS and Free software.

Again, Joey never said he wouldn't fix the bug.  It just wasn't high priority.
The social contract never states we will fix all bugs the instance BEFORE they
are filed, because we CARE about our users that much.

> The apt cache of packages is VERY useful to many people without your
> obviously unlimited and superior network connection, the existence of
> the apt-move package is an example of this usefulness, yet you INSIST
> and DEMAND that all these files be SILENTLY DESTROYED without ever
> asking the admin if that is what they want.

Joey is on a modem.  Again, he never insisted.  More FUD.

> you have demonstrated a complete and total UNWILLINGNESS to fix this
> flaw. all you do instead is spew endless personal attacks against me,
> sending the worst of which in private mail so as not to completly
> expose what you really are.

No, he has demonstrated a complete and total UNWILLINGNESS to have ANYTHING to
do with you.

> Do everyone a favor and leave this project.

Do everyone a favor and never join.

> As for boot-floppies I think its imperitive that we fork base-config
> and debootstrap as they are far to important to be maintained by
> hostile individuals who DO NOT have Debian users interests in mind.

You are not a maintainer.  Do not start preaching to those who are, like you
are their saviour and god.


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation/da by dwhedon

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Repository: boot-floppies/documentation/da
who:dwhedon
time:   Sat Nov 17 18:55:51 PST 2001


Log Message:

Danish documentation moving along very well thanks to
Claus Hindsgaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, one new file, and an update.


Files:

changed:boot-new.sgml


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Repository: boot-floppies/documentation
who:dwhedon
time:   Sat Nov 17 18:55:51 PST 2001


Log Message:

Danish documentation moving along very well thanks to
Claus Hindsgaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, one new file, and an update.


Files:

added:  dselect-beginner.da.sgml


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Re: #103302 ask permission before erasing /var/cache/apt/archives

[Joey Hess]

Ethan Benson wrote:
> Joey, you SHOULD quit this project.

Could you please take all future flames to an appropriate venue.

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation/da by dwhedon

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Repository: boot-floppies/documentation/da
who:dwhedon
time:   Sat Nov 17 18:06:19 PST 2001


Log Message:

add some New danish files that I forgot to add, thanks to
Claus Hindsgaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Files:

added:  appendix.sgml boot-new.sgml inst-methods.sgml kernel.sgml 
partitioning.sgml rescue-boot.sgml


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Repository: boot-floppies/documentation
who:dwhedon
time:   Sat Nov 17 18:06:19 PST 2001


Log Message:

add some New danish files that I forgot to add, thanks to
Claus Hindsgaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Files:

added:  index.da.html.m4


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Re: #103302 ask permission before erasing /var/cache/apt/archives

[Ethan Benson]

On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 05:35:56PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> 
> As a junior participant, I may have little authority. But I'd like to
> offer my perception of Ethan: He is hardworking, vitriolic,
> knowledgeable, subject to wide mood swings, and completely committed
> to the cause of free software.

thank you.

> Ethan? It seems like you've been attempting to calm down the rhetoric
> lately?

It is Joey who is spewing personal attacks against me, him and your
great release manager. 

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Re: #103302 ask permission before erasing /var/cache/apt/archives

[Ethan Benson]

On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 12:12:37PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Fourthly, I don't killfile coworkers on projects, because I belive that
> that can lead to disastrous breakdowns in communications. I may,
> however, leave projects in disgust. My disgust level with Ethan is
> currently quite high. Threatening to abuse boot-floppies commit
> privlidges to put in a disgusting hack. Insinuating that I would
> silently ignore NMU's. These are not behaviors I expect to see from a
> member of this project.

Joey, you SHOULD quit this project.  You are of no use to it any
longer, you are publically displaying an absolute intent to force YOUR
system administration policies down upon ALL of debian's users.  

This VIOLATES Debian's social contract which says Debian's priorities
are its USERS and Free software.  

The apt cache of packages is VERY useful to many people without your
obviously unlimited and superior network connection, the existence of
the apt-move package is an example of this usefulness, yet you INSIST
and DEMAND that all these files be SILENTLY DESTROYED without ever
asking the admin if that is what they want. 

you have demonstrated a complete and total UNWILLINGNESS to fix this
flaw. all you do instead is spew endless personal attacks against me,
sending the worst of which in private mail so as not to completly
expose what you really are.

Do everyone a favor and leave this project.

As for boot-floppies I think its imperitive that we fork base-config
and debootstrap as they are far to important to be maintained by
hostile individuals who DO NOT have Debian users interests in mind.

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Re: last gasp to achieve b-f i18n (was Re: LC build failing)

[Mikhail Sobolev]

On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 12:35:13AM +0100, Marcin Owsiany wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 11:59:16PM +0100, KORN Andras wrote:
> > 
> > I think dropping Polish in favour of Chinese would be a good idea. (I didn't
> > follow the thread, so I don't know why Polish was included in the first
> > place
> 
> Because I was one of the guys who tried to make it work for last few
> months?
Then please certainly add Russian. :-|

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Re: last gasp to achieve b-f i18n (was Re: LC build failing)

[Marcin Owsiany]

On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 11:59:16PM +0100, KORN Andras wrote:
> 
> I think dropping Polish in favour of Chinese would be a good idea. (I didn't
> follow the thread, so I don't know why Polish was included in the first
> place

Because I was one of the guys who tried to make it work for last few
months?

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po by joy

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Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po
who:joy
time:   Sat Nov 17 15:00:43 PST 2001


Log Message:

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Files:

changed:hr.po


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Re: #103302 ask permission before erasing /var/cache/apt/archives

[Othmar Pasteka]

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 10:40:05AM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
> I'd submit a patch, but I can't seem to determine where dselect
> asks, nor how base-config can access this information.  Does
> anyone know the text of question, so that I can find it in the
> dpkg sources?

ah well, it would be easy to do it with debconf but joey hess
told me today that debconf isn't cooperating if you have other
programs who also access the standard file descriptors. that's
probably why i can't get my patch working, although it's legal
wrt the tutorial/docs. so, some other approach must be taken but
i'll wait for joey hess to kill his backlog and handle this
properly or he tells me to come up with something differently ...
i could imagine that 75apt-get is passed the answer of a
"db_get base-config/remove-packages"-call which is placed in
some other script where stdin/-out isn't an issue. but that's
just an idea i just found. but ugly imho ... what shalls.

so long
Othmar


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Re: last gasp to achieve b-f i18n (was Re: LC build failing)

[KORN Andras]

On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 07:30:20PM -0200, Andre Luis Lopes wrote:

> > >I don't see any alternative to stripping down the language list.
> > >I suggest 'de pl fr es ja'.
> > Right, yeah.  I suggest adding pt to that list, if it will fit; I think
> > there are lots of users in Brazil.  It's also somewhat tempting to put
> > Chinese back, even if that means dropping one of the European languages.
>I second that since I'm a brazilian user and there's a lot of users here 
> in my country which will be very happy if they could install woody in our 
> mother language.

I think dropping Polish in favour of Chinese would be a good idea. (I didn't
follow the thread, so I don't know why Polish was included in the first
place; if you include Polish, you might as well include any number of
central european slavic languages...)

Andrew

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Re: last gasp to achieve b-f i18n (was Re: LC build failing)

[Andre Luis Lopes]

Em Sab 17 Nov 2001 17:04, Philip Blundell escreveu:
> >I don't see any alternative to stripping down the language list.
> >I suggest 'de pl fr es ja'.
>
> Right, yeah.  I suggest adding pt to that list, if it will fit; I think
> there are lots of users in Brazil.  It's also somewhat tempting to put
> Chinese back, even if that means dropping one of the European languages.

   I second that since I'm a brazilian user and there's a lot of users here 
in my country which will be very happy if they could install woody in our 
mother language.

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Syslinux charset/font

[Claus Hindsgaul]

Hi,

I have tried to fiddle with the charset  of the rescue disk text files (on 
i386) in order to display the special Danish letters æøå correct.
Have we got any experts on this topic on the list?

The default IBM PC 437 charset lack the danish letter "ø", so a new font 
need to be loaded by syslinux. This seemed to be done by editing til "conf" 
file, adding da to the languages, which need the latin1 font to be loaded 
(this was added to CVS a long time ago):

...
# languages that use Latin-1 charset with accentuation, tilde, etc
LATIN1  := da de es fr gl pt
...

It turned out, that the font was *not* loaded. the "make/i18n"-file failed to 
set the SFONT environment variable for latin1. So I added:

...
ifeq ($(FONT), lat1u-16.psf)
export SFONT=lat1u-16.psf
...

That did the trick, but... the exotic danish letters (æøåÆØÅ) still did not 
show up correctly.


I tried to "recode" the boot message files (e.g. debian.txt) to a lot of 
different charsets, and ended up giving up, and concluded that the best thing 
to do for the latin1 charset was *not* to recode the files. Just copying the 
linux text files to the floppy still render the upper case danish letters 
(ÆØÅ) wrong, but at least the lower case (and everything else) seemed OK.
For better appearance from DOS, one could simply fix the carrige returns:

recode latin1..latin1/CR-LF debian.txt

It seems that the makefiles convert the text files to the IBMPC charset (for 
i386), no matter what the SFONT variable contained. I think this may be 
wrong. How does it work for other languages?



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Re: last gasp to achieve b-f i18n (was Re: LC build failing)

[Philip Blundell]

>I don't see any alternative to stripping down the language list. 
>I suggest 'de pl fr es ja'.

Right, yeah.  I suggest adding pt to that list, if it will fit; I think there 
are lots of users in Brazil.  It's also somewhat tempting to put Chinese back, 
even if that means dropping one of the European languages.

p.


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Re: #103302 ask permission before erasing /var/cache/apt/archives

[Chris Tillman]

On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 12:12:37PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> First of all, Othmar's problem report is about an independant bug,
> though it is loosely related to Ethan's wishlist report.
> 
> Secondly, I have been away on personal business and have not been able
> to fix all RC (ie, important or above) base-config bugs until this
> morning. This includes #117741, which is an independant report of the
> same issue Othmar reported.
> 
> Ethan Benson wrote, on the 10th on November:
> > since the maintainer of base-config has demonstrated a complete
> > unwillingness to fix this bug I am prepared to commit a patch to
> > boot-floppies baseconfig.c to ask the user if they wish for .debs to
> > be removed or not, if they do not, the relevant code that silently
> > removes them will be deleted from the base-config install in /target/
> > 
> > this is of course not the correct solution, the correct solution is
> > for the base-config maintainer to cooperate and fix this, but if he
> > refuses to be useful we shall have to fix it another way (unless
> > someone wishes to NMU and reNMU when new versions revert the fix.)
> 
> Thirdly, this suggestion both ignores my history of debian package
> maintainance and participation in debian-boot (IMHO), and is technically
> disgusting, and I'm sure that the rest of the boot floppies team has
> better sense than Ethan is showing with these asurd threats.
> 
> Fourthly, I don't killfile coworkers on projects, because I belive that
> that can lead to disastrous breakdowns in communications. I may,
> however, leave projects in disgust. My disgust level with Ethan is
> currently quite high. Threatening to abuse boot-floppies commit
> privlidges to put in a disgusting hack. Insinuating that I would
> silently ignore NMU's. These are not behaviors I expect to see from a
> member of this project.
> 

As a junior participant, I may have little authority. But I'd like to
offer my perception of Ethan: He is hardworking, vitriolic,
knowledgeable, subject to wide mood swings, and completely committed
to the cause of free software.

Ethan? It seems like you've been attempting to calm down the rhetoric
lately?

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by aph

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Repository: boot-floppies/debian
who:aph
time:   Sat Nov 17 09:36:25 PST 2001


Log Message:

more changes from me


Files:

changed:changelog


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/powerpc-specials by aph

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Repository: boot-floppies/powerpc-specials
who:aph
time:   Sat Nov 17 09:36:01 PST 2001


Log Message:

don't remove yaboot.conf in the clean rule, that's not downloaded
anymore -- this problem was completely breaking PowerPC build


Files:

changed:Makefile


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Re: #103302 ask permission before erasing /var/cache/apt/archives

[Joey Hess]

First of all, Othmar's problem report is about an independant bug,
though it is loosely related to Ethan's wishlist report.

Secondly, I have been away on personal business and have not been able
to fix all RC (ie, important or above) base-config bugs until this
morning. This includes #117741, which is an independant report of the
same issue Othmar reported.

Ethan Benson wrote, on the 10th on November:
> since the maintainer of base-config has demonstrated a complete
> unwillingness to fix this bug I am prepared to commit a patch to
> boot-floppies baseconfig.c to ask the user if they wish for .debs to
> be removed or not, if they do not, the relevant code that silently
> removes them will be deleted from the base-config install in /target/
> 
> this is of course not the correct solution, the correct solution is
> for the base-config maintainer to cooperate and fix this, but if he
> refuses to be useful we shall have to fix it another way (unless
> someone wishes to NMU and reNMU when new versions revert the fix.)

Thirdly, this suggestion both ignores my history of debian package
maintainance and participation in debian-boot (IMHO), and is technically
disgusting, and I'm sure that the rest of the boot floppies team has
better sense than Ethan is showing with these asurd threats.

Fourthly, I don't killfile coworkers on projects, because I belive that
that can lead to disastrous breakdowns in communications. I may,
however, leave projects in disgust. My disgust level with Ethan is
currently quite high. Threatening to abuse boot-floppies commit
privlidges to put in a disgusting hack. Insinuating that I would
silently ignore NMU's. These are not behaviors I expect to see from a
member of this project.

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Re: last gasp to achieve b-f i18n (was Re: LC build failing)

[Chris Tillman]

On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 02:00:08AM -0500, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Unfortunately, I did not have success on building
> > LC-able BFs with limited number of languages. Doing so, dbootstrap
> > crashed after complaining "could not load messages.trm".
> > 
> > So, what is your opinion on this topic? Limit the number of languages?
> > Or look for better boot options for the CD (patched Grub) which would
> > make it possible to use non-default boot image format, so we get more
> > space?
> 
> Well, honestly, I'm a bit shocked and amazed that we're at this point
> in the process and no one has solved this problem so far.  But moving
> on...
> 
> I don't see any alternative to stripping down the language list. 
> I suggest 'de pl fr es ja'.
> 

Why couldn't language be supported as an (obvious) global build
option, so CD makers could build several different language versions
of the CD? Also, we could provide instructions online on how to
'translate' (really rebuild) boot-floppies to the language of choice
after downloading to an existing Linux system? Then one Linux
installation, which might have to be in English/common languages,
could spawn others in native language.
  
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cvs commit to base-config/lib by joeyh

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Repository: base-config/lib
who:joeyh
time:   Sat Nov 17 08:33:15 PST 2001


Log Message:

   * Corrected a typo in 75apt-get ($NOCLEAN -> $CLEAN), that was making it
 clean up the downloaded debs even if the apt run failed sometimes. Also,
 only clean up debootstrap debs before the initial apt run, not before
 further retries. This fixes blindman's problem with download timeouts,
 but does not address the original issue in wishlist bug #103302. This
 does need to get into testing soonish; making base-config usable for
 dialup users is RC. Also Closes: #117741
   * This rebuild freshens the Mirrors.masterlist, Closes: #117706
   * Removed the code that makes it enter dselect if you opt out of tasksel. It
 is evidently more trouble than it's worth especially when someone is
 trying to use base-config in noninteractive mode. Closes: #119003

Files:

changed:50tasksel 75apt-get


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cvs commit to base-config by joeyh

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Repository: base-config
who:joeyh
time:   Sat Nov 17 08:33:15 PST 2001


Log Message:

   * Corrected a typo in 75apt-get ($NOCLEAN -> $CLEAN), that was making it
 clean up the downloaded debs even if the apt run failed sometimes. Also,
 only clean up debootstrap debs before the initial apt run, not before
 further retries. This fixes blindman's problem with download timeouts,
 but does not address the original issue in wishlist bug #103302. This
 does need to get into testing soonish; making base-config usable for
 dialup users is RC. Also Closes: #117741
   * This rebuild freshens the Mirrors.masterlist, Closes: #117706
   * Removed the code that makes it enter dselect if you opt out of tasksel. It
 is evidently more trouble than it's worth especially when someone is
 trying to use base-config in noninteractive mode. Closes: #119003

Files:

changed:apt-setup.templates apt-setup.templates.ca apt-setup.templates.cs 
apt-setup.templates.da apt-setup.templates.de apt-setup.templates.es 
apt-setup.templates.fr apt-setup.templates.gl apt-setup.templates.hu 
apt-setup.templates.it apt-setup.templates.ja apt-setup.templates.ko 
apt-setup.templates.nl apt-setup.templates.pl apt-setup.templates.pt_BR 
apt-setup.templates.ru apt-setup.templates.sv base-config tzsetup tzsetup.templates.da


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cvs commit to base-config/debian by joeyh

[Debian Boot CVS Master]

Repository: base-config/debian
who:joeyh
time:   Sat Nov 17 08:33:15 PST 2001


Log Message:

   * Corrected a typo in 75apt-get ($NOCLEAN -> $CLEAN), that was making it
 clean up the downloaded debs even if the apt run failed sometimes. Also,
 only clean up debootstrap debs before the initial apt run, not before
 further retries. This fixes blindman's problem with download timeouts,
 but does not address the original issue in wishlist bug #103302. This
 does need to get into testing soonish; making base-config usable for
 dialup users is RC. Also Closes: #117741
   * This rebuild freshens the Mirrors.masterlist, Closes: #117706
   * Removed the code that makes it enter dselect if you opt out of tasksel. It
 is evidently more trouble than it's worth especially when someone is
 trying to use base-config in noninteractive mode. Closes: #119003

Files:

changed:changelog


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Re: Bug in 3.0.17 images (i386)

[Rainer Groesslinger]

...I forgot to say that

Nov 16 21:04:44 (none) user.debug dbootstrap[53]: umount: /dev/fd0: No such file or
directory
Nov 16 21:04:44 (none) user.debug dbootstrap[53]: umount: /floppy: Invalid argument

always occured at my pc even when woody floppies still were 2.3.x...I never had 
problems
with
reading/writing floppies so I never cared about it...

Rainer


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Re: Bug in 3.0.17 images (i386)

[Rainer Groesslinger]

Hello,

eh, just to mention:
I downloaded 3.0.15 and the bug isn't there...3.0.15 really shows only eth0 as the 
realtek
card and no other eth0...The bug made its way into it in 16 or 17...

ifconfig -a
--

eth0  Link encap: unspec HWaddr: 00-00-00-00-07-00-00-00-00
 [No flag]   MTU:0   Metric: 1
  (packages sent etc. etc. everything 0)

eth1  Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr: 00:E0:4C:70:03:E9
 Broadcast Multicast MTU: 1500 Metric: 1
  (packages sent etc. etc. everything 0)
  Interrupt: 11   Base address: 0xdc0

lo   [Local Loopback]

but I think lo is not of interest here, anyway...


dmesg | grep eth
(there was _nothing_ about eth0 !)
---
eth1: RealTek RTL8139 Fast Ethernet at 0xdc00, IRQ 11, 00:e0:4c:70:03:e9



lsmod
---
Command not found ;)


Rainer


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Bug#119947: cannot resume installation after abort

[Jörg Wendland]

Package: boot-floppies
Version: 3.0.15; reported 2001-11-17
Severity: important

When the installation is aborted while fetching the Release file,
dbootstrap says "Malformed Release file" when trying to resume the
installation. This is caused by

  /target/var/lib/apt/lists/debootstrap.invalid_dists_woody_Release

The installation can be resumed when this file is deleted manually.

Thanx, Joerg

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Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux sol 2.4.6 #1 Fri Jul 13 15:51:25 CEST 2001 i586



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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by eb

[Debian Boot CVS Master]

Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap
who:eb
time:   Sat Nov 17 00:35:47 PST 2001


Log Message:

since the base-config maintainer refuses to fix 103302 apply a patch
to fix it after base installation.  this workaround must remain until
103302 is correctly fixed (patch in BTS, awaiting NMU).


Files:

changed:baseconfig.c


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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by eb

[Debian Boot CVS Master]

Repository: boot-floppies/debian
who:eb
time:   Sat Nov 17 00:35:47 PST 2001


Log Message:

since the base-config maintainer refuses to fix 103302 apply a patch
to fix it after base installation.  this workaround must remain until
103302 is correctly fixed (patch in BTS, awaiting NMU).


Files:

changed:changelog


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