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Re: Yet another way to access BIOS

[Chris Tillman]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 08:28:14PM +0100, Sven Sandberg wrote:
> Sven Sandberg (i.e., I) wrote:
> 
> >Hello,
> >In section 3.3.1 of "Installing Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 For Intel x86", it
> >lists some ways to access BIOS for different manufacturers. It seems 
> >like the information regarding Phoenix BIOS is... well not exactly 
> >wrong, but not entirely correct either. 
> 
> 
> OK, according to 
> http://www.phoenix.com/pcuser/phoenixbios/biosfaq.html#Q5 , it seems 
> that this can vary, so your information is probably correct on some 
> computers. But it may still be useful to say that F1 may be the correct key.
> 
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I added 'or F1'. Thanks.

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation/en by toff

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Repository: boot-floppies/documentation/en
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Log Message:
  add "or F1" for Phoenix BIOS

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what's holding up 3.0.19 ?

[Colin Walters]

So,

I really think we should release 3.0.19 soon, because it needs more
testing.  So, what's holding it back?  

Looking at a selection of the bug list:

#126489, #127955: I've just tagged these pending, 3.0.19 will fix them
#120386: looks like something we need to fix, but I don't know much
 about it.
#123948: this one can be a priority for 3.0.20 or later
#128258: PReP work is still ongoing, this one can be delayed for 3.0.20 
 or later
#127971: I am not sure about this one, but it can probably wait.  
 I've certainly never seen it.
#110717: This one can wait for 3.0.20 or later.
#116093: This one is definitely present in potato (I just tried it
 a few days ago), but I'm not sure about woody.  It's important,
 but it can probably wait for 3.0.20 too.

We are also waiting on #127258 in order to close #126205, although it's
not absolutely critical.  If the maintainer doesn't fix that one soon, I
can just upload the package I've been using to test.

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Re: [i386] introducing a kernel 2.4 installation flavor

[Colin Walters]

On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 19:02, Eduard Bloch wrote:

> So what do you think? IMHO most users will agree.

I think it is a very, very good idea!  You didn't mention my favorite
thing about 2.4, which is iptables.  Almost a must for installing a
firewall.

If there is a way we could make it into a boot-time choice on the CD,
then I can't imagine how anyone would object to that.

You should work both quickly and carefully; I think the release manager
is using the stability of boot-floppies as at least one gauge for when
to push woody into deeper freeze.



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cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by walters

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Repository: boot-floppies/debian
who:walters
time:   Mon Jan 14 17:06:50 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Close 126489 and 127955 for 3.0.19.
  

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[i386] introducing a kernel 2.4 installation flavor

[Eduard Bloch]

Hello Adam, hello everyone. 

As promised on IRC, I have worked on a useable solution for using the
2.4 kernels in our current boot floppies and I think I have one.

Arguments first:
we should allways trade-off between stability and
actuality of Debian components. Currently we do not know how long the
freeze will take so nobody wants to make big jumps. So I did not want to
make big changes on the current boot floppies, and decided to create a
bf2.4 flavor parallel to the current ones (except of reiser and
udma100-ext3).

Currently, I see a timing problem in the release cycles of Linux kernels
and Debian Woody. While we are trying to make Woody stable, more and
more time passes. The kernel intended for Woody on i386 (the most used
arch) is 2.2.20. Please note that this generation is tested and known to
be stable, though it is missing important features that cannot be fully
backported from 2.4.x. Also note that the main development of the 2.4
branch is stopped and only bugfixes and important updates are done
there. I do no longer expect buggy releases. Now it is becoming stable
while the old generation has more and more upcoming compatibility
problems. This, and the fact that kernel 2.4.x has been tested by other
distributions for more than one year, should show that it is ready for
Debian, even on the i386 architecture.  Don't forget that the freeze can
take some months. In this time, we make a good test of 2.4using boot
floppies.

Some pros:
 - better behaviour on modern hardware
 - better performance
 - new filesystems
 - no 1M size limit. With 2.2.x, we currently waste about 300KiB on the
   first disk due to this limitation.
   
Contras:
 - see above. Someone may say, 2.4.x is less stable. But before judjing
   this way, first check whether such statement are based on the quality
   of old kernel components or on problems in the new (optional)
   components which have never existed in 2.2.x so you naturally cannot
   face the particular problem there.

What, if we wont change to 2.4:
 - You won't be able to install Debian on modern hw. You won't be able
   to use modern NICs, modern IDE controllers (read: no harddisk
   access), etc. Though IDE patch is available for 2.2.x, it is buggy
   (reported to hang on HD detection with new chipsets) and not
   frequently updated. Same for other patches. We can add new. wheels to
   the old car, or just take the modern one.
 - You wont be able to install on modern Reiserfs format, while the old
   (in 2.2) is reported to be buggy.
 - You will cause unneded headaches for many users because of poor
   hardware detection functions in 2.4.x. For example, take a typical
   ISA souncard and a popular BT TV card. You will have to do lots of
   RTFM to configure them with 2.2.x, while the autoconfiguration works
   fine in 2.4.x so the devices are ready just after modconf'ing the
   module.
 - We would loose our good image. Kernel 2.2 is seen as absolete by most
   people todays. Imagine, Woody+1 will be released in 1.5-2 years. Then
   most distributions are using stable and prooved 2.4.22 or so, while
   this odd software museum called Debian is sticked to 2.2.something
   from middle ages.

Realisation:

I know, our official kernel-image-2.4 packages created by Herbert Xu are
using initrd and are not supposed to replace 2.2 without additional
configuration. This should not be changed, so we should create some
versions with essential drivers built-in, as done in 2.2.x packages. In
summer 2001, I have created a set of boot floppies based on 2.4.9 and
the config of kernel-image-2.2.19. I did not receive any bug reports
related to the kernel version. So I suggest to create this flavor:

 * "bf2.4" with kernel-image-2.4.17-bf2.4. This package is created by me
   with following assumptions:
   - merged from current vanilla, udma100-ext3 and reiserfs
   - have at least the same drivers as reiserfs flavor
   - be at most as big as udma100-ext3
   - with framebuffer and i18n
 
I think I managed it (*). IMHO, now we can replace the udma100-ext3 and
reiserfs flavor with the new bf2.4. Some people may dislike the removal
of this flavors, but see it possitive: 2.4 supports newer (more stable!)
drivers of the new filesystems and we can keep the installation kernels
without many patches.

So what do you think? IMHO most users will agree.

(*) The source files, kernel and a test build can be downloaded
soon from people.debian.org/~blade/bf2.4/

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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Bug#120386: Bug reproducible

[Eduard Bloch]

severity 120386 serious
quit

I could reproduce the bug too when testing in a real environment. Looks
like a malfunction somewhere in the lilo setup routine. If I choose
the root partition as target, I see only a small message appear for a split
second, then the screen is not going refreshed, and dbootstrap continues
as usual. But the messages say: installed in /dev/hda.

When I have more time next week, I will try to fix it.

Gruss/Regards,
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cvs commit to tasksel/tasks by joeyh

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Repository: tasksel/tasks
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time:   Mon Jan 14 14:34:13 PST 2002
Log Message:
  kcalc is in the kde metapackage, so no need to list it separatly
  

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/s390-specials by sgybas

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Repository: boot-floppies/s390-specials
who:sgybas
time:   Mon Jan 14 12:52:59 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Updates for kernel 2.4.16
  

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/s390-specials/netsetup by sgybas

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Repository: boot-floppies/s390-specials/netsetup
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Re: Yet another way to access BIOS

[Sven Sandberg]

Sven Sandberg (i.e., I) wrote:

> Hello,
> In section 3.3.1 of "Installing Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 For Intel x86", it
> lists some ways to access BIOS for different manufacturers. It seems 
> like the information regarding Phoenix BIOS is... well not exactly 
> wrong, but not entirely correct either. 


OK, according to 
http://www.phoenix.com/pcuser/phoenixbios/biosfaq.html#Q5 , it seems 
that this can vary, so your information is probably correct on some 
computers. But it may still be useful to say that F1 may be the correct key.

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Re: Testing boot floppies 3.0.19-2001-12-30

[John H. Robinson, IV]

On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 07:16:14PM -0500, Jeff Sheinberg wrote:
> 
> I switched to the syslog VC to see what was happening here, and
> the problem was that the mount command executed was,
> 
> mount -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /instmnt
> 
> which can never succeed without the proper kernel support.
> I suggest that boot-floppies should try ext2 after ext3 fails, or
> just try only ext2 for kernels that do not support ext3.

i'm thinking that a ``mount -t auto'' may be in order. the only time
this would fail, where ``mount -t '' would work is if the FS
type is a module that is not currently loaded.

comments?

-john


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Yet another way to access BIOS

[Sven Sandberg]

Hello,
In section 3.3.1 of "Installing Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 For Intel x86", it
lists some ways to access BIOS for different manufacturers. It seems 
like the information regarding Phoenix BIOS is... well not exactly 
wrong, but not entirely correct either. Here's how it works on my computer:

  - Ctrl-Alt-Esc displays a menu from which you can choose either which 
disk to boot from, or to enter setup (I suppose that setup means BIOS, 
but for some reason my computer freezes when I bring up this menu so I 
can't verify it.)

  - Ctrl-Alt-S displays the menu for selecting to boot Windows normally, 
in fail-safe mode, logged, or confirming each step of the 
initialization. So it has nothing to do with BIOS.

  - F1 goes directly to BIOS setup.

So it seems more appropriate for your installation guide to say F1.

(I suppose that I'm using Phoenix BIOS because that's the title of the 
screen when I'm in BIOS setup.) Please let me know if there's anything 
else you need to know, and thank you for maintaining Debian!

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po by kraai

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Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po
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time:   Mon Jan 14 09:56:59 PST 2002
Log Message:
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cvs commit to boot-floppies/make by sgybas

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Repository: boot-floppies/make
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time:   Mon Jan 14 09:27:05 PST 2002
Log Message:
  Reduce s390 root.bin size
  

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Repository: boot-floppies
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time:   Mon Jan 14 09:25:25 PST 2002
Log Message:
  s390 now uses kernel 2.4.16
  

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time:   Mon Jan 14 09:25:22 PST 2002
Log Message:
  s390 now uses kernel 2.4.16
  

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Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po
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Typo in bootconfig.c ?

[Martin Quinson]

Hello, one can read:
The master boot record program that was just installed has features not
found in standard MBR programs.  A prompt can be triggered on startup by
holding down the shift key. It shows the active partition [...]

I would say that MBR shows all active partitionS, but I'm not sure enough to
   !
change it myself...


Thanks, Mt.

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cvs commit to boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk by sgybas

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Repository: boot-floppies/scripts/rootdisk
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time:   Mon Jan 14 07:55:52 PST 2002
Log Message:
  s390: Use wc from busybox again
  

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Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap
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time:   Mon Jan 14 07:54:32 PST 2002
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Repository: boot-floppies/documentation
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Re: URGENT! Install Base System via network: settings wrong

[Phil Blundell]

On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 07:37, Ariel Tankus wrote:
> I think it is weird to leave some files on older archives like potato's,
> forcing any mirror site to mirror also potato!

You'd have to take that up with ftpmaster.  I don't really know anything
about the details of how the archive is supposed to work.

> Now, my hypothesis is, that because of the missing file at my first
> attempt (using our local site), something went on wrong with the installation
> further on.  The base-config file seems fine on our site as well as on
> ftp.uk.debian.org, but still it was not downloaded OK (zero size).

Hmm, right.  Well, to confirm that, could you wipe your partition and
try again, but this time point the installer to a mirror that we know
does include all the right stuff (say ftp.uk.debian.org for example)?

It would also be interesting to know if you have the same problem
running debootstrap itself on an existing system, with your local
mirror.  Just do:

# apt-get install debootstrap
# mkdir /tmp/woody
# debootstrap woody /tmp/woody ftp://ftp.xx.debian.org/...

p.


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